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Canadian Natural Resources Limited (CNQ)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Canadian Natural Resources First Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this call is being recorded today, Thursday, May 7, 2015, at 8:00 a.m. Mountain Time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to your host for today's call, Doug Proll, Executive Vice President of Canadian Natural Resources. Please go ahead, Mr. Proll.

Douglas A. Proll

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our first quarter 2015 conference call. Today, we will discuss our first quarter financial and operating results, including an update of our ongoing projects and operations. With me this morning are Steve Laut, our President, and Corey Bieber, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to refer you to the comments regarding forward-looking information contained in our press release and also note that all amounts are in Canadian dollars, and production and reserves are expressed as before royalties unless otherwise stated. I would like to make a few comments before turning the call over to Steve and Corey. I would first like to thank our 2 retiring directors, Eldon Smith and Keith MacPhail, for their long-standing service to Canadian Natural Resources. Eldon has served on our Board of Directors since 1997, and Keith has served since 1993. We will surely miss these 2 gentlemen from the board and board committee representation. You could always count on them for not having to worry about what was on their minds, their leadership qualities and their ability to roll up their sleeves when it mattered. On behalf of the Board of Directors and the management committee, we wish them all the best in their post-CNRL days and say thank you for your contribution over the years. Canadian Natural had a very good first quarter, given the significant downturn in commodity prices. Natural gas production amounted to 1.7 Bcf per day for Q1 2015, up 50% year-over-year. Crude oil and natural gas liquids production amounted to 602,800 barrels a day for Q1 2015, an increase of 23% year-over-year. Our goal to be a balanced producer was evident in the first quarter, where natural gas production amounted to 33%, light oil NGLs and synthetic crude oil production was 30% and Pelican Lake thermal and primary heavy oil production was 37% of total production. In response to volatile and sharply changing product price netbacks, we have increased our focus on reducing our cost structures, both operating and capital, while maintaining or increasing our safety and environmental standards and ensuring that our ability to be nimble in allocating capital is enhanced. This focus includes not only immediate cost savings, but also implementing changes to our processes that will last through commodity price cycles. Our balance sheet is strong, and we maintain strong lines of resources. Thank you, and I will now turn you over to Steve.

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Good morning, everyone. As we all know, a significant reduction in commodity prices has had a significant impact on the global oil and natural gas industry. Canadian Natural is not immune to the impact the commodity prices have had on our cash flow and earnings. That being said, the resilience of our strong, diverse and well balanced asset base, robustness of our business model and the effectiveness of our strategies combined with our ability to execute these strategies is shining through. In the first quarter, we delivered another very strong operational quarter with record quarterly production. Oil production is up 23%, gas production up 51% from Q1 2014. Canadian Natural's operations continue to be effective and efficient, with operating costs down 22% for liquids and 10% for gas in Canada Q1 2015 over Q1 2014. Canadian Natural's balance sheet remains strong, and we maintained significant capital flexibility, effectively allocating capital and keeping our transition to our longer-life, low-decline asset base intact. In low commodity price periods, Canadian Natural's strengths and capabilities become even more important, allowing us to further differentiate ourselves from the peer group. These strengths and capabilities will also be important as we move into a period of political uncertainty in Alberta, a topic that is a top of mind for everyone. Although there's no certainty around what might transpire, from what premier-elect Notley has stated in her platform, she will look to raise corporate taxes from 10% to 12% and initiate a review of royalties on a regular basis. Clearly, this is not good for the industry. That being said, we are heartened by her statement that they will be a good partner for the oil and gas industry. We believe that the premier-elect Notley understands the importance of the oil and gas industry to Alberta. That…

Corey B. Bieber

Analyst · Macquarie

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. The first quarter of 2015 demonstrated Canadian Natural's financial and operational resilience and flexibility. Following a very significant reduction in commodity pricing, Canadian Natural was very quick and nimble in its reaction. Including the most recent $300 million reduction, since the original 2015 capital budget was issued last November, Canadian Natural has found cost savings or capital deferrals amounting to almost $2.9 billion or 33%. Conversely, based upon midpoint levels of guidance, we anticipate annual production growth of 11% over 2014 levels, a very significant achievement in light of how capital reinvestment has been altered. In my opinion, few companies would be able to effectively execute this type of capital flexibility in such a short period of time. Just as importantly, defined growth plan remained largely intact with the Horizon major project program continuing to help drive our transition to a more sustainable, low-decline, long-life asset base. We have operationally responded to the lower commodity prices. As Steve previously referenced, our average E&P operating cost per BOE has decreased 17% from the first quarter 2014, and our Horizon operating costs have decreased 28% per barrel from the first quarter of 2014. Additionally, through nimble reallocation of capital and cost reduction initiatives, we now expect to generate midpoint cash flow in excess of that required for current operations and dividends and still internally fund the vast majority of our $2.15 billion of major capital spend at Horizon. As Steve noted, at current pricing and production guidance, we would expect to generate approximately $6.6 billion in cash flow. Excluding Horizon major project capital spend, the capital associated with generating this cash flow is approximately $3.6 billion. After spending approximately $1 billion on corporate dividend program, our remaining free cash flow from ongoing operations was $2…

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, Corey, and thanks, Doug. So operator, we're open for questions if there are any. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Greg Pardy from RBC Capital Markets.

Greg M. Pardy - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Steve, 3 questions from me. The first one just around the turnaround in June, I may have missed it in the release. How long is this one at Horizon?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

It's going to be 10 days versus 6 days originally planned.

Greg M. Pardy - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then -- okay, perfect. Second, maybe just aside from government policy and so on, you've got Kirby North and Grouse and just a fairly big arsenal of in situ projects to come. You've deferred spending, obviously, on Kirby North for now, but what -- is it strictly a matter of just an oil price recovery, and could we see that one moving back on to the shelf sometime next year?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I think, what we said with Kirby North is we're going to see -- we'll have to see what prices stabilize at. Also, as you can tell, we're working very hard at reducing the cost structure and reducing the costs going forward. Clearly, at Kirby North, a lot of those costs are sunk, as the equipment has been bought and the engineering is complete. So it's all on the construction side. They're working on to be more productive and more effective. So combined with the cost reductions and more stable oil prices, that'll be what the calls make [ph] at this point in time, we're not ready to make that call. So we'll keep you posted as we go along.

Greg M. Pardy - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then, the last thing, just a little bit about Pelican Lake. So this has become a success story, but it's given you guys, I know, challenges, technical challenges over the years. Can you frame it for us a little bit in terms of what the outlook looks like? And also, just interested in what the major lessons learned there on that polymer flood have been.

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I don't know if I've got enough time to give you all those lessons learned on the polymer flood. As you know, this is a leading-edge technology used in heavy oil, probably the first time successfully. We're using with horizontal wells and a unique configuration. So the lessons really have been just as we're learning as we go. And I can give you all the details, but I don't think it's really worthwhile on the call, Greg, but it's just really a technical, operational thing. As you try something, it'll get a different response and we optimize, and then, we learn as we go. The more we do, the more we find. The more we find, the more we can do. So I don't think we're actually at the optimal level at Pelican Lake yet. Even though operating costs are an excellent $7.72 a barrel, we think we can do better. We think production can do better. We only have about 55% of the pool under polymer flood at this point in time, and we will effectively get most of the pool under polymer flood as we proceed. But it's just truly, as you said, a great technology success story for Canadian Natural and Canada.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Sameer Uplenchwar of GMP Securities.

Sameer Uplenchwar - GMP Securities L.P., Research Division

Analyst · GMP Securities

What I'm trying to understand is -- I mean, everybody is taking CapEx down and hunkering down, trying to save on cash flow. CNQ is one of the largest producers in Canada, in North America. And I'm trying to understand is, what are you seeing within your portfolio where you would put dollars back to work on the cost side? On the commodity side, what would make you change the view that, okay, our cash flow is going higher? Or you can see the cash flow going higher and put money back to work.

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · GMP Securities

I think, Sameer, at this point in time, we need to see some stability, and we need to ensure that we're not getting sort of a lift and then fall back down in commodity prices. So we want to see some stability and longevity of the commodity prices. And we have to ensure that the commodity prices we have generate returns. And our capital has to compete for returns, and we have a 15% after-tax target. And as we get to that point, we feel that the pricing is solid, and we'll put capital back to work, but not before then.

Sameer Uplenchwar - GMP Securities L.P., Research Division

Analyst · GMP Securities

And when you say some stability in commodity, like how -- just in the ballpark, are you seeing like $70 strip for 6 months? Like how should we think about that?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · GMP Securities

I think that's sort of a subjective answer, Sameer. I think it's sort of -- you have to kind of look at it and say, the strip looks good, but what's all the other outlooks [ph] going on there. So I think it's not one that I'm going to give a definitive answer to. We'll play it as we go along. We'll look at all the macro factors.

Sameer Uplenchwar - GMP Securities L.P., Research Division

Analyst · GMP Securities

And then, on the flip side of the equation, on the costs front, you're seeing costs coming down 22% for liquids, 10% for gas in North America. What I'm trying to understand is, one, how much further can we go down this path? Where do you see it kind of bottoming out? And then the second is, if commodity prices do turn around, how -- what percent of these might be sustainable versus one-time or whatever relates to the commodity downturn, I guess?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · GMP Securities

Yes, thanks for that question, Sameer, because that's a very good question. As you probably heard in the last call, we're focused on sort of a 6-pronged frontier on reducing costs. And one of those prongs is reducing the margins that we're charged by suppliers, contractors and service providers. Our view is that those margins are not going to be sustainable unless commodity prices come up and that they will increase with time. So those aren't sustainable if commodity prices do rise. Our biggest focus has been on execution and right scoping and just enhancing our productivity. And we believe most of those costs will stay with us when commodity prices, if they do return to higher levels. So that'll be a long-lasting costs or lower-cost structure that we can carry forward with us in the future. So I would say, right now, the cost savings we have, I would say, probably, 25% to 30% of it may be actually from margins, but the rest of it's from just right scoping and productivity and execution enhancements.

Sameer Uplenchwar - GMP Securities L.P., Research Division

Analyst · GMP Securities

Got it, got it. And last from me. I know that -- I mean, you discussed the NDP winning the election in Alberta. I'm just trying to understand, if with that and with the flux that brings into the situation with royalty, with taxes, have you changed any of your view regarding spending plans over the next 18, 24 months in the sense that you need to see more data points or what the NDP comes out with from a policy perspective before you decide to go ahead with any spending projects, anything else?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · GMP Securities

Yes, I think you know how we operate, Sameer. We like to get the facts and then make a decision on that. So we don't have any facts yet. We just got the platform. So we basically, are willing to work together and provide all the information that's required. And we'll respond appropriately when we understand what the platform and what the policies will be.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Benny Wong from Morgan Stanley.

Benny Wong - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Steve, can you update us with your views on how the Kirby South is ramping up compared to your expectations? And do you think that we're kind of finally in the clear for the project to steadily ramp up to capacity?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thanks, Benny. I'd say, to answer your second question first, yes, we're in the clear. I think we're on the ramp-up now. Obviously, we had facility issues that caused a bunch of well work damage that we're able to get around with stimulation. We had some failures that we fixed. The facilities are running fine and smooth now and have been for a while. And now you're seeing the ramp-up take off. I think what the most heartening thing about this thing is the thermal efficiencies are very, very strong with nice low SORs. So we're very encouraged. It has been delayed, which is unfortunate, but we're back on track now, and we expect to have it continue to ramp up to about 40,000 barrels a day.

Benny Wong - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Great. And then just -- is there -- can you update us on your views, on your hedging strategy. If we see commodity prices keep -- creep up a little further, could you see yourself maybe layering on a bunch of more hedges to kind of lock in your cash flow?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I think, Benny, when you look at it, look at our balance sheet, which Corey talked about, we're very strong. The balance and diversity in our asset base and the capital flexibility we have, we don't see the need to layer on hedges and commodity prices, particularly when they're at the lower end of this -- of what the range, we think, we should be in long term. So at this point in time, we are hesitant to do any kind of hedging.

Benny Wong - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Great. And just final one. Just if you can provide some color around the utilization of Horizon in April. I know it dipped a little bit. Was that something expected or is there something more to that?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

It wasn't and that's why utilization is what it is. A lot of times, you have unexpected things. So what we had is we had some solids built up in the bitumen column. We took steps to remove that solid buildup, and there's ways to do that, normal techniques. But to do that, it reduces production while you're doing that. We removed much of the solids. But in the process of doing that, and that's why we moved the turnaround ahead, we've seen opportunities to optimize how we run that bitumen column. We can actually change the way the tray design is so that the solid buildups does not become an issue in the future, which will increase reliability going forward. And we believe -- although we can't say for sure, that's why we didn't change guidance. We believe there's an opportunity to actually increase production because of the new tray design. So that's why it's moved into June.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Chris Feltin from Macquarie.

Christopher Feltin - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

A couple of quick questions. Here, the first one is pretty simple. I noticed that there was about $140 million of abandonment liabilities. Just wanting to confirm that, that's in the new total CapEx guidance of that $5.75 billion. Second question relates more on the natural gas marketing side here in Alberta specifically. A lot of companies commenting on firm transport versus interruptible transport. Just would like to hear your thoughts on what's going on there with the TCPL, Alliance systems, and how you guys sit in terms of your firm transport exposure versus the interruptible. And maybe a bit of a longer-term view in terms of how you think that this is going to resolve itself over time. Is this a short-term thing in your mind, or something that could be prolonged in terms of pricing for interruptible transport?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · Macquarie

Thanks, Chris. I'll answer the second question first. On natural gas marketing, as you know, there has been restrictions on availability of transportation, particularly out of Northwestern Alberta. That hasn't impacted us to a large degree. We did get impacted a little bit there for a while in Q1. That's why our volumes were down a bit on gas. But overall, we believe we have enough firm transportation to handle all our gas going forward for the rest of the year. And I think we'll see these issues with transportation probably for the next couple of years and maybe in 2017 before TCPL gets the system enhanced or debottlenecked to additional gas. The rules have changed, as you know, in terms of how much transportation you have to sign up. You have to sign up for longer term. Until that time, if you're moving interruptible, you're probably going to take a discount on price.

Corey B. Bieber

Analyst · Macquarie

Chris, with respect to the abandonment, yes, I can confirm all those capital costs are within -- are included in the capital cost guidance. So there's about $140 million in Canada, and embedded in the international cost, there's about $200 million-plus on the abandonment [indiscernible]. And if you work with IR, they can get you a little bit more detail on that if you want.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] You have another question from the line of Sameer Uplenchwar from GMP Securities.

Sameer Uplenchwar - GMP Securities L.P., Research Division

Analyst · Sameer Uplenchwar from GMP Securities

As a follow-up, Steve, like you had said during this cycle that you wanted to look internally and grow organically versus when I look at the past cycles, you have always looked at deals and come out stronger on the other side and made accretive deals based on that commodity downturn. What is different in this cycle which is making you look inside rather than outside?

Steve W. Laut

Analyst · Sameer Uplenchwar from GMP Securities

I think we look both ways, Sameer. But clearly, our asset base is very strong. There's no gaps in our portfolio. We have a tremendous asset base. And I think what's really important about this cycle, and we are no different than anybody else in the industry, we are taking advantage of this part of the cycle to really refocus on the cost structure and make our business much stronger overall as we go forward. But that doesn't mean we won't look at acquisitions, although we don't need to do any, we don't have any gaps on our portfolio.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters.

Douglas A. Proll

Analyst

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for participating in our conference call. Canadian Natural has a very strong and diverse asset base, a complementary balance of production and a strong well-developed plan for the systemic -- systematic development of this asset base. We concentrate on safe, efficient and reliable operations and a strong financial position, supported by readily available liquid resources. And finally, Canadian Natural retains significant capital expenditure program, flexibility to proactively adapt to changing market conditions, including volatile commodity prices. If you have any further questions, please give us a call. Thank you, again, and we look forward to our second quarter conference call in early August.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for attending today's conference call. You may now disconnect.