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CONMED Corporation (CNMD)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 24, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Quarter Three 2013 CONMED Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sheela and I will be your operator for today. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will conduct the question-and-answer session towards the end of this conference. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Bob Yedid of ICR Please proceed, sir.

Bob Yedid

Management

Sure, thank you very much. Good morning everyone. Before we begin, let me remind you that during this call CONMED’s management will be making comments and statements regarding their financial outlook, which represent forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties as those terms are defined under the Federal Securities Laws. The company’s actual results may differ materially from current expectations. Please refer to the risk factors and other cautionary factors in today’s press release, as well as in our SEC filings for more details on factors that may cause actual results to differ materially. You will also hear management refer to certain non-GAAP adjusted measurements during this discussion. While these figures are not a substitute for GAAP measurements, the company’s management uses these figures to aid in monitoring the company’s ongoing financial performance from quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year on a regular basis and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies. Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measure the income of the company, excluding credits or charges that are considered by management to be special or outside of the normal ongoing operations of the company. These adjusting items are specified in the reconciliation in the press release issued this morning. With these required announcements completed, I will turn the call over to Joe Corasanti, CONMED’s Chief Executive Officer and President for his remarks. Joe?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Good morning. Thanks very much Bob. CONMED sales for the third quarter were $179 million, a decrease of 1.4% versus the prior year period and this was below our guidance range of $184 million to $189 million, principally due to weaker sales of capital equipment specifically video and power systems. However, our adjusted earnings per share for the third quarter of 2013 were $0.40 within our guidance range of $0.37 to $0.42 that we provided to investors on our last call. While our adjusted earnings per share for the third quarter of 2013, $0.40 was below the $0.43 reported in the prior year period. Remember that the new medical device tax cost us $0.03 in the third quarter this year. So earnings would have been stable year-over-year. On a GAAP basis, diluted EPS was $0.20 per share, compared to $0.32 in the third quarter of 2012. The difference is principally due to higher special charges that Rob will discuss in his remarks and the $0.03 hit from the medical device tax which took effect in 2013 for the first time. Adjusted operating margin of 10.1% for the third quarter was basically consistent with the prior year period; despite the new medical device tax which cost us $1.4 million or 80 basis points this quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.7% in the third quarter represented a decline of 70 basis points, versus the prior year period which was due solely to the medical device tax burden. Cash flow from operations was a strong $30.5 million, representing more than one half of the year-to-date cash flow in over five times the quarter’s net income. In August our Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.15 per share which was paid on October 4th. In the U.S. we believe healthcare utilization…

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Thanks very much, Joe, and good morning everyone. As Joe mentioned, total sales for the September quarter came in at $179.3 million, a decrease of 1.4% from the third quarter 2012 on a reported basis and a modest 0.4% decrease on a constant currency basis. In constant currency this was comprised of 2.4% in single-use devices offset by in 11.1% decline in capital products. Most of the decrease in capital products was due to weakness in our surgical visualization and powered instrument businesses. Now I will review our three categories of product line sales disclosures. Orthopedic surgery, general surgery and surgical visualization. Our orthopedic surgery product line experienced a sales decline of 0.6% versus the prior year period although the product line was up 0.8% in constant currency. On a report basis the procedure specific and biologics product groups within sports medicine increased approximately 8%. While the resection and fluid spots medicine lines were flat. Powered instruments declined 4.5% in constant currency with an increase of 2.4% in sales of single use products while the capital products side of the business was down 12.8% reversing a positive trend from the first of the year. Sales in the general surgery product group had an increase of 1% on a reported basis and 1.7% increase in constant currency. This increase was driven by slight increases in both single use products and capital sales. Our Endomechanical business was up 3.5% year-over-year and advanced energy previously referred to as electrosurgery was up 3.4% from the prior year period, principally due to higher generator sales in that product line. These positive performances were offset in part by a modest decline in GI and Pulmonary sales of 1.8% and by a 2.9% decrease in patient monitoring. As Joe, we had the greatest challenges in our surgical…

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Thanks very much Rob. So I would like to make closing remark regarding our long-term goals in 2013 we’ve faced headwinds from the medical device tax and foreign exchange that cost us over $0.20 per share. In 2014, we will face additional internal and external factors that causes to be conservative and forecast modest growth and sales and adjusted EPS. However, I would like to remind everyone the CONMED was able to deliver EPS growth of 15% or greater from 2010 to 2012 on low single-digit sales growth. We believe that our two long-term goals are achievable. Our goal of increasing adjusted EBITDA margins by about 50 to 100 basis points annually and driving double digit increases in earnings per share based on modest single-digit revenue growth. We look forward to updating you on our business initiatives during the fourth quarter 2013 conference call and upcoming industrial appearances. AT this time, I would like to open the call for questions. However, if I do that I was handed a note that mentioned that I may have said Altrus sales in Q2 were $100 million in fact they are $1 million and so the point there is that in this quarter Q3 we had sale of $900,000, Q2 was $1 million net $100,000. Although I hope no one is confused by that. So operator, please open the call up to questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Please stand by for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Mike Matson of Needham & Company. Please proceed. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: Thanks for taking my question. I guess I will just start with the new camera that you are planning to launch. I was wondering, what you have seen – I understand the capital environments kind of top, but I was wondering what you have seen from prior camera launches in terms of the impact on your growth in the video business and then just wondering if you can tell us anything about the camera and how any enhancements over the prior model. And then finally just I was wondering if – I know with other companies when they have new camera coming sometimes the sales of the old model will sort of drop off because the sales reps really want to sell that old product ahead of a new product coming. So I guess sort of three questions in one but...

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

No, not a problem we could handle that. We – the new camera system is going to be a great new product for us, I will acknowledge that its probably a year over do I think internally we expected to have this year ago and it kind of fit into an operational project that we have been taking over the last couple of years and that was the consolidation of our Santa Barbara facility and I have mentioned that before on calls and at conferences and that was a very good consolidation for us and had saved those about $4 million by consolidating that factory with our new Westborough, Massachusetts factory. Unfortunately one of the consequences of doing that type of a consolidation has delayed the video camera project by about a year. So it would have been very helpful to have that this year. And the reason is the camera system we’re selling now is about six years old. Now you ask how we did in our last launch, we did very well. So six years ago we launched our IM4000 camera system which was the first high-definition video system to be introduced to the world. And we saw sales growth from $50 million to $70 million in about 18 months, so it was very, very good. We’re not expecting that type of performance with this camera system, because it’s not as revolutionary as the IM4000 when it came out in 2007. But it certainly is going to help us significantly; we’re seeing dramatic declines in our video business which has spill over effect into other business as you recall, to have complete arthroscopy offering, our sports medicine offering, you need to have video. And videos drives some of the disposable products, I wouldn’t say all of them, but certainly it drives pump tubing and fluid management products, pump tubing and shaver blades, also know as resection products. And we’re seeing some pressure now on the resection products as well as a result of having an older video offering. And we think that both of the lines will improve video and resection with the launch of the new video system. So I hope that answers the question? Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: Yeah I guess the later part of my question was just really on the degree of the decline you’ve seen recently, I mean, is that some what more maybe more self-inflicted, because you have this launch coming and the all reps are hesitant to sell the old product, or is that really just purely a function of this capital environment?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Yeah I think its three factors, we have a little bit of sales force anticipation, we have markets that are still very, very tight. And having a six year old line and we’ve given our competitors six years to not only catch up, but to may be surpass this in some way as with some of the features on these newer video systems that are out now. So the capital environment is important, let me spend just a minute on that, because not only is it difficult to have increased sales when your customers are delaying, replacement for systems in their hospitals, but you know you have older systems that are in these hospitals that were designed to last six years, some of them that are still in the hospitals are that old. And what you see happening is that the cables start to deteriorate, when the cabling deteriorates we’re going to see some picture degradation and then the service call start coming in. And so instead of the sales reps who are in charges sports medicine and powered instruments, instead of having them spend their time on selling products their spending their time, trouble shooting some picture quality images with some of these older systems that should have been replaced years ago. So there is a lot of factors going on now circling this video issue for us. I think and the industry and the market. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: Okay, and then just it sounds like you’re pretty active in terms of your business development program. I just – MTF obviously was a good deal, because it was pretty accretive, but just in general what are your kind of guidelines for doing it, for doing deals I mean are you willing to accept dilution to GAAP EPS to cash EPS et cetera?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Yeah with – well we’ve been talking about our acquisition strategy for quite a while and its remained the same, we are looking for acquisition that will be considered tuck-in acquisitions that fit the six major product line areas that we have that our product lines that will fit nicely into our sales channels and in most cases would be accretive and in some instances they maybe breakeven, we really have not done dilutive deals on the past, but its possible to do something that’s slightly diluted to GAAP earnings is its an acquisition that offers tremendous new technology and yet still fits in with sales channel and the product lines that we currently have, our currently platform if you will. But generally speaking our strategies to do tuck-in acquisition that are accretive in year one. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: Okay and then my final question, just on the margin, our cost opportunities, I mean obviously as you said on the call you have done a great job getting the margins up over the past few years, especially we are considering the amount of revenue growth that you’ve had, but going forward how much of that opportunity remains, especially if revenue growth were to remain in kind of below single-digits?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well you know we are still in the process of consolidating the Finland operation and so that’s going to produce some cost savings for us for the remainder of this year and into next year, we still feel that there are some room to run with making other types of cost saving – other cost savings programs, potential consolidations and so there is still some room let I guess to the extent of my comment. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: All right, I understand thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Miksic of Piper Jaffray. Please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi good morning it Mike on for Matt.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Hi Mike.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So obviously the capital spending environment is challenging right, but can you talk about any share shift differences of capital allocation across the group in the quarter maybe with respect to equipment, robots and just some other items? We’ve seen some variance across the group with some of the larger capital players reported thus far?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Mike I guess it is a little uncertain as to your exact question, we don’t think any of our capital spending matters have been affected by robots at all, if that was your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

No, the question is more pointed towards maybe a reallocation of capital and kind of where the priorities are laying and if you are seeing any shifting in spending habits there.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well from the hospital side of things, I think that healthcare IT has been a big factor with hospitals this past several quarters really having – getting them prepared for affordable care and whatnot, so that’s been a major influence I think among our hospital customers and in terms of robots, I think there may have been some small change with regard to spending on that kind of technology, but I’m probably not an expert on that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, okay and next question is just kind of looking at the balance sheet here, can you remind us of how you prioritize your uses of cash and given the outlook for sales, how do you balance potential M&A opportunities versus investing in more organic growth opportunities?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well, from a cash perspective we were pleased to be able to offer our shareholders the dividend and so that obviously first on the priority list. Then it’s a matter of balancing stock repurchases and potential acquisition. So to the extent of there is an acquisition there is probably going to be less stock repurchases, if there is no acquisition is probably more stock repurchase. And the then lastly would be the depth that we have on the books, but that’s a credit line that allows us to pay down and borrow depending upon the particular cash situation that we have. So we are very pleased to offer the divided and I think our shareholders have appreciated that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Cohen of Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Well, hi Joe and Rob how are you, thanks for taking my questions.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Hey, good morning.

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Hey, Jeff. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Could you provide a little more insight from some of the prior questions related to the capital equipment and visualization and could you talk more specifically about the composition of the 2D systems versus the 3D system from Viking?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well, the 2D system that we’ll be coming out with will be the replacement for our six old system IM4000, it will be high definition and have some of the – some new features some CMOS technology as well, I don’t know if I can say much more about that and I don’t think our marketing department would prefer me to not saying more than that so I probably won’t. the 3D system with from Viking, we’ve had it know for about a year we are seeing sales increase outside the United States, it seems that the our OUS [ph]. Customers are replacing higher value on the use of 3D for visualization and laparoscopic surgeries than our customers in the United States. Currently, we are making every effort to change that that perception and our attitude, but we’ve had some pretty good sales of 3D some larger deals, I guess I should – I can mentioned one that happened in China which is – I have to say surprised me personally that that market was that strong for 3D technology. So it’s a little bit of good news there and we hope it continues. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Okay. And as far as the size of the market for you currently of 2D systems versus the 3D systems.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well, the size of the market for 2D visualization is pretty large I think its 509.

Robert D. Shallish

Management

I would say 400 million or 500 million.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

$500 million and that’s primarily in the general surgery area, we started out many, many years ago 10 year or 15 years ago selling videos primarily to sports medicine procedures in Arthroscopic and our system back then was designed for use in those procedures. Since then we’ve updated our system and that’s true for the one I mentioned earlier with IM4000 the first HD system. We design that to be used in general surgery, because that’s the larger part of the market and the next system and 2D will be design for that use as well, so it can be use in general surgery laparoscopic procedures as well as in the sports medicine procedures. So it’s a pretty large market and there are lots of players, actually there are six strong competitors in the video market, some of those competitors are only video companies while they offer video with different types of disposals in our first sports medicine disposals. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Okay, that’s helpful thank you. And I guess just one more for me. Rob you have spoken about the current quarter Q3 being total $7.9 million in adjustments for unusual items and if correct me for I’m wrong. So you are guiding 3.7 to 4.7 for the fourth quarter?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Yes, that’s right Jeff. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Okay. Could you provide any further clarity insurance compensation of those numbers at least for the fourth quarter?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Probably 65% of that has to do with the manufacturing restructuring; the two that we’re in just finishing now are the finished consolidation into our U.S. plants. And the manufacturing adjustment from Westborough, the Viking product into other of our locations. So that’s about 65% of that number, the other amount would be an estimate of what we believe the legal cost will be associated with that one patent matter that were going through. Jeffrey Cohen – Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc.: Perfect, okay thanks very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Landy of Summer Street. Please proceed. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Good morning folks. Can you hear me okay, I’m having some phone issues this morning.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

No, we hear you fine Mark. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Thanks and good morning. So Joe it’s a question on the competition of the business. As capital equipment’s weakened somewhat and you get slight tilt towards the single-use. How much of an impact does that have on gross margin for 2014 assuming we stay at kind of the 82%, 80.5% level.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well, generally speaking the margins on capital are lower than single-use products although in all cases. I don’t have the calculation in front of me, but I think it could help gross margins with as favorable product mix.

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Yes, I think that shift that were taking about would certainly be positive to the gross margin, but its probably only a few – very few basis points when you get right down to it because moving from 80% to 81% or 82% with the extra 2% being at say 56%, 57% as compare to other 2% being 50% its probably not a large metric. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Okay, so I guess the back-end of that question is, if capital starts to pick up again we get to the normalized 78%, 79% level, its not going to be a big hole to fill with other opportunities in gross margin.

Robert D. Shallish

Management

I would agree with them Mark. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Okay fair enough. Joe what is the impact of discontinued business in the 2014 revenue guidance.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

That the ECOM product line is one that we have been working on for some time and it just has not developed like we thought that it would. Our annual sales of the ECOM product $100,000 a year. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Okay so it’s negligible.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Correct. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: You know I guess entering the year the discussion around the MedTech tax was we were hopping to pass that on to our end-user. And I guess as the year progressed that didn’t really pan out. Are you a little behind the curve in trying to illuminate some of the impact of that tax you do speak about it as you kind of give us the numbers for the year. And while other folks may be spend 2012 trying to prepare for their tax, is this – are you doing stuff in 2013 to limit that impact in 2014? And how can we think about that as a margin contributor?

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well you’re actually right, we entered the year thinking we would pass some of that tax under the customers, and if I go back two years, we were talking about how we would in fact even put the tax on a separate line on invoices. I would pass it through that way; it didn’t pan out as you say. So maybe going forward we’ll look to see about raising price on some of our higher technology disposable products and may be some new products as they launch in the capital area. And you know so video and then the new generator and electrosurgery and some of the other capital items coming out, there’s and opportunity take price with those products. Some other things that we are looking at are otherwise to minimize the tax burden from tax accounting standpoint. I don’t know, I can’t give you real details on that now, but I think there’s some small opportunity there. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Well I guess Rob if I look at 2014 it’s probably a kind of a 100 basis increase in operating margin. Can you break that up from the benefit that you – from the restructuring and manufacturing consolidation versus some of the business shift that you perhaps trying to get to with raising price eliminating some of the benefit of the impact I should say of the MedTech tax? How can we think about that increase?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Well as we look after 2014 our current expectation mark is that we would see about 50 basis point improvements in operating – in EBITDA margins. So little bit less than what we would typically like to see we – our goal continues to be closer to 100 basis points improvement over year. But given the sales expectation that we have of 2% to 3% growth, we think that that would result in the 50 basis point improvement. Which I think is still good. But to have a little bit greater sales growth would help us get closer to the 100 basis point improvement. So with regard to where that improvement comes from, it’s primarily as a result of gross margin improvement. And specifically all of the work that we have been doing and will continue to do and been as efficient as possible on our manufacturing costs. So some of that next year would come from, the consolidation of the finished plant some of it from the consolidation of the Westborough manufacturing the Viking Systems into other of our plants. By the way we’re keeping the administration, and research, and marketing groups all in that location as just the little bit of manufacturing that was going on in Westborough that’s moving to other plants. And then the last component of that is just on our ongoing lean manufacturing activities which have enabled us to reduce our manufacturing cost substantially over the last several years and that will continue. So the bulk of the margin increase that we are expecting is coming out of those activities in our operations group. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: So again just to put a [indiscernible] around all of that, they still use runway room left on some operating room leverage while you can focus on reestablishing a slightly higher revenue growth.

Robert D. Shallish

Management

I believe that that’s the case Mark yes.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

So that should exist in 2014, would as it a guess, if you kind of look at some of the out years or is that just not on the radar screen yet. Well it’s a little difficult, to be exact, but certainly with all of the activities with our efficiency programs and lean manufacturing, there is definitely runway left on the gross margin side of things. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: Thank you guys.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

I would say we could see go out to 15 from where we sit today. Mark Landy – Summer Street Research Partners: That’s – okay its kind of consistent with my modeling, okay guys thanks so much.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) and your next question comes from the line of Mike Matson of Needham & Company. Please proceed. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: Thanks. I just had a follow up question on Altrus. So I was just wondering number one, if there any plans to launch additional hand pieces, different style hand pieces and then number two, given that your – you’ve issued your 2014 guidance, so I was wondering if you could give some guidance around what you expect out of Altrus next year, I don’t know if you are planning to continue to give guidance then track the quarterly sales progression for that product, but its definitely helpful I think for investors.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Well at this point we are not I guess prepared to give a guidance number of Altrus for 2014, we are planning – we are in the planning stages now over the next generation Altrus hand piece that we think will improve the ergonomics of it and reduce cost. We are just – we are very pleased with the performance of the product to date in terms of the speed of the tissue sealing function the non-stick performance, the use in fluid environment, its really performing very well in the field. So we’ll just continue to watch it and watch it grow. Mike Matson – Needham & Company, LLC: All right. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Dale Dutile of The Boston Company. You may proceed. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Hello.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Hello Dale. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Yes, sorry I was cut off. Just a couple of quick things, the tax benefit in the quarter, what was that related to.

Joseph J. Corasanti

Management

Primarily – well first of all we completed the filing of our 2012 tax return in September, and when that occurs that it allows us to be more confident about some of the tax positions that we’ve taken and most of that benefit relates to our foreign tax position with our subsidiaries outside of the United States where we have income at rate which are lower than the united states federal tax rate, so with the filing of that return and the conversations that we’ve had with the IRS, we feel comfortable with reducing the tax provision in this third quarter by approximately $800,000 related to those items. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Okay and so for the fourth quarter we are back to kind of 33 to 34 and should we assume that for our next year as well?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Well for this fourth quarter we’re assuming 33% to 34% and I think for next year our assumption is that it might be closer to the 33% range, rather than the 34%. But we can give more guidance on that as we go into the next few months. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Okay and then the patent dispute you had mentioned a few times, can you give us any color on what’s in that and is that kind of upside or downside, depending upon how it goes?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Well the patent dispute involves an allegation made by the owner of patents associated with should anchors. So this is part of our sports medicine business. And we believe that we do not infringe these patents and our strongly opposing any action by this firm. So the costs that we’re incurring are legal costs associated with the defending ourselves. And unfortunately these thing take sometime to resolve and we will continue this on extra legal costs for a period of time. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: As we go to quarter at some point so there’s kind of date at which we’ll know something?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

There’s an no date to my knowledge at this point and eventually I guess it could go to court. Yes. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Reasonably small revenue item for you, or is it more broad?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Well shoulder anchors are a strong part of our sports medicine portfolio. And so it is a major part of our product line in that group. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Okay. Then just a last thing that just make sure I head the number right, the product you’re discontinuing endotracheal tube a $100,000 in revenue, but it was $2.1 million to close it down is that, am I thinking about that right?

Robert D. Shallish

Management

Yeah you’re right. We had our projections from two or three years ago when we launched this particular product were aggressive. And we had built inventory of about over $2 million. And so we’re basically adjusting for that. Plus there are intangibles associated with this particular product line from the purchase of the product lines some eight or nine years ago. And so that’s being written off as well. Dale Dutile – The Boston Company: Right that’s all I had thank you.

Operator

Operator

As there no any more questions, I like now to turn the call over to Bob Yedid for closing remarks.

Bob Yedid

Management

Thank you everyone for your time today and we look forward to speak to you on future conference calls and on our investor meetings coming up in the fourth quarter. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.