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CONMED Corporation (CNMD)

Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q2 2012 CONMED Corp. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Chenne and I’ll be your coordinator for today. [Operator instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today, Mr. Joseph Corasanti, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please proceed, sir.

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

Thank you, Chenne. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to CONMED Corporation’s Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. With me today is Rob Shallish, our Chief Financial Officer. After formal remarks, the call will be open for questions. Before we begin, let me remind you that during this call, we will be making comments and statements regarding our financial outlook, which represent forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties as those terms are defined under the Federal Securities Laws. Our actual results may differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to the risk factors and other cautionary factors in today’s press release, as well as our SEC filings for more details on factors that may cause actual results to differ materially. You will also hear Rob and me refer to certain non-GAAP adjusted measurements during this discussion. While these figures are not a substitute for GAAP measurements, company management uses them to aid us in monitoring the company’s ongoing financial performance from quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year on a regular basis and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies. Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measure the income of the company, excluding credits or charges that are considered by management to be unusual or outside of the normal ongoing operations of the company. These unusual items are specified in the reconciliation in the press release issued this morning. With these required announcements completed, I can now turn to my comments. I'm pleased to report that we completed the second quarter 2012 with solid operating results. The quarter’s highlights included sales of $189.7 million, while near the lower end of our forecasted range increased 3.5% over sales in the second quarter of 2011. Adjusted earnings for the quarter were $0.43, in line with our expectations and growing 22.9% over Q2 of 2011.…

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Thanks very much, Joe, and good morning everyone. As Joe mentioned, the second quarter continued the strong earnings and cash flow trends seen in the first quarter. In the June 2012 quarter, sales grew 3.5% while adjusted earnings per share increased a robust 23%. For the first half of 2012, adjusted earnings per share grew 18.1% on sales growth of $4.7%. So with fairly moderate sales growth, we are able to deliver earnings increases in the mid-teens or higher due to our various ongoing operational improvement activities as well as the benefits from the MTF association. The second quarter sales totaled $189.7 million compared to sales of $183.2 million in the second quarter of last year. Excluding the $7.2 million of revenues from MTF, the organic sales decline was 0.4% due to lower capital equipment sales as discussed by Joe a few minutes ago. By geography, sales in the United States grew 3.8% on a reported basis, but excluding MTF U.S. sales declined 4.2% organically due to the lower capital equipment sales. As a reminder, almost all of the MTF revenue at this point is generated in the United States. CONMED’s international sales grew 3.2% and continued to make up slightly more than 50% of our business. As we anticipated, the gross margin percentage, excluding ongoing restructuring costs, increased sequentially from the first quarter and increased substantially over the second quarter of 2011. In this second quarter, the adjusted gross margin was 53.2%, a 280 basis point improvement over the 50.4% in the second quarter last year. While the gross margin percentage last year was abnormally low as we discussed at that time because of unfavorable manufacturing variances generated in late 2010, the recently completed quarter’s margin improvement is also due to the favorable effect of operational improvements as well…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Matt Miksic with Piper Jaffray.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

I wanted to get -- you’ve gone through some of this in your prepared remarks, but maybe if you could give some color on how much of the trends that you’re seeing in your single-use products for arthroscopy? How much of that do you feel is pull-through, carry-through of some of the products you had launched recently and some of the new anchor products that you’ve launched and how much of that can you talk about, being some sort of change in the market dynamics? Or do you think it’s just 100% new products and share?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

Well, what we’re talking about is, I guess, organic growth for arthroscopy line, that was 5.8% in the quarter, and that was led by sales outside the United States, and in terms of new products, Sequent had sales of about $1 million in the quarter. The Y-Knot product was not even fully launched until the 1st of June. We were in a limited launch with maybe only 12 reps selling it, but still that managed to have sales of about 500,000 for Q2. So I think that’s a combination of good growth outside the U.S. for single-use sports med products, plus these new products is what’s leading organic sales growth for sports med.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

Okay. And any color on the trends here in the U.S., in terms of sequential compared to Q1, either whether it’s pricing or changes in patient utilization over the past compared to recent quarters?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Well Matt this is Rob. We did see an increase in the United States in our single use sports medicine products. Not a huge one very frankly, but an increase. So that leads to me to believe that the increase is primarily from the new products and that utilization is still rather consistent and not necessarily increasing at this point.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

Okay. Just stable or should we expect kind of sideways downward pressure for the rest of the year?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

No, I expect it to be stable -- it has been stable, let's put it that way. I think what we expect is that historically we see a drop off in the summer months because of surgeon vacations, vacations -- we're not talking about Europe, but vacations in Europe tend to cause a decline as well. And then the fourth quarter historically is the strongest, so we would expect that same level of activity this year.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. I’ve been hopping between calls here, so I apologize, but I may have missed the update on Altrus and just your -- you had given some great color and an update at your analyst meeting and I just wanted to get a sense as to whether those trends have continued? Whether you feel like you had sort of gotten any other side of the supply and manufacturing constraints that you had and where you are in that roll off?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

Yes. With Altrus we’re seeing improvement. We are seeing -- the supply issues, we believe, are behind us. We’re even seeing that our yields are starting to improve, some of our cost improvement measures are starting to take hold, we’ve completed several, of course you won’t get the benefit until the inventory cycles through. In the quarter, we had $500,000 in sales of Altrus product, we’re doing roughly 50 cases a week and I would say that unfortunately for the last 3 weeks we’ve been stuck at 50 cases or procedures, but we do expect that to start improving. We have now 51 surgeons that are converted to Altrus, and by our definition that means that those surgeons have changed their preference card and are using the Altrus exclusively for their tissue-sealing, vessel sealing needs. That’s an increase from the last call in the first quarter. We are seeing progress, we are making progress. I’d like to remind everyone that we still had some issues in April, so when I look at Altrus I think we’re moving forward from the point of time, I would say May and June, I would expect to see significant increases from this point forward.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

Okay. And then one last one on maybe just some of the tone that you’re getting from your hospital customers on the capital side rather. I know it’s not a big part of your business, but it had moved around a bit and been a bit more challenging for a lot of folks. What sort of commentary or decisions are you seeing deferred or pushed down or policy changes, priorities in the hospital side for capital?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

I think for the kind of capital that we sell, Matt, it is susceptible to delays, with surgical video that can be delayed and I think we’ve seen some of that this year. Sales are relatively flat, which I think is good; that’s what we expected in surgical video, and we’re not expecting much more than that this year. For next year, we’re awaiting the new products that would come out in the first half next year, so without changes in technology, I think people are waiting. On the powered instrument front, we had an extremely strong quarter in the second quarter last year, so we have just a tough comparison right now. If we look at the historical trends of powered instruments and drew a graph of the sales of powered instruments, it will be fairly stable to slightly up, which I think is what we would expect as a result of the kinds of procedures these devices are used in. So I don’t necessarily think the decline that we’re seeing in powered instruments is indicative of an issue. I think it’s just that it can be a choppy business from time-to-time, so we had a very good quarter a year ago and this quarter is more in line with what we saw in history. And the same is true of the electrosurgical generators; that can be a choppy kind of a business where we can get an order for $1 million from a governmental agency in one quarter and then have nothing of that sort in another quarter. So, generators were very strong in the second quarter last year and there is just a tough comparison. So I think that the story with generators is the same as it is with the powered surgical instrument hand pieces. Fairly consistent over time in terms of the sales, but it can be choppy based on these large orders that come through.

Matthew Miksic

Analyst

Okay. So it doesn't sound like sort of a change in the direction of the curve or the levels of spend; it’s more sort of the typical quarter-to-quarter bumpiness?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

I agree with that comment, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Cohen with Ladenburg Thalmann.

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

I wondered if you could talk about CapEx for the second half of the year? Would you expect it to be largely in line with how the first half looks?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

You mean our CapEx expenditures?

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Yes.

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Yes, I would agree with that. We have $11 million or so in the first half and so in the neighborhood of -- well, we expect $20 million for the year. So I guess the second half would be a little bit less than the first half.

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Got it. And any commentary on the tax rate for the quarter, which I see was a fair amount lower than Q1, how would you expect that to look as far as modeling purposes for the second half of the year?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Yes, in the second quarter we had some favorable adjustments amounting to $300,000 or $400,000 from resolution of some matters with the IRS. In the third quarter, I would anticipate that the tax rate would be in the neighborhood of 36%, which would be more or less what we had expected for the entire year. But then in the fourth quarter, I’m hopeful that the congress will extend again the research and development tax credit so that we would have some benefit in the tax rate for that in the fourth quarter so that that may drop into the say, 34% range again.

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Okay, got it. As far as some of your comments related to margins and margin expansion, correct me if I'm wrong, you had said that you would expect that that would not backup from where it was during Q2?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Well, I don’t know if I quite understand your question Jeff, but we expect margin improvement as we go through the rest of the year. We're expecting that the gross margin in the third quarter would improve over the second and that operating margin would also improve over the second, and that’s based upon the operational activities that we’ve been working on here, and knowledge of how our production variances flow through the P&L. So, overall, we are expecting gross margin to improve in the second half of the year over the first half and that would also help drive operating margin improvement.

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Got it. Briefly the $5 million to $6 million in pre-tax restructuring cost, how do you expect that might look between the third and the fourth quarter? Would you expect that to be fairly even?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Yes, I would expect it to be fairly even.

Jeffrey Cohen

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Okay, and one more quick one. Could you perhaps talk about or discuss a little bit about some of the rebranding initiatives as I have seen a few new product catalogues?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann.

Well, our marketing and communications team has been working on improving our brand, for lack of a better term, so many of the new catalogues have a new look, so that’s, I think, a positive for us to help our sales people sell the product. There is more to that to come, I'm sure. We have a very good team in that group and I'm sure we will see changes in how we communicate with our surgeon customers.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dalton Chandler from Needham & Company.

Dalton Chandler

Analyst

You did touch on the fact that you have tough comps in powered surgical and electrosurgical. Looking back at it, there was a very sudden acceleration in both of those businesses in the first half and for 2 quarters, then there was it decelerated again. Can you just talk about what you think was the driver behind that?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

With electrosurgical generators, we had significant orders from the U.S government, in fact, in Q1 and Q2. And of course [ph] last year, so of course we did not have those this year. We also -- talking about this year a little bit with electrosurgical generators, there really has been a lot less activity in general, requests for proposals and evaluations for electrosurgical generators, although I will say that really in the last month we’ve seen that activity pick up a bit, so I think we are looking for a slight improvement in the second half of the year on generators.

Dalton Chandler

Analyst

Okay, so it sounds like you're talking about really the second half maybe flattening out and then picking up again in 2013, is that fair?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

Well, yes, certainly the comps would be certainly much easier because of the performance in Q3 and Q4 of last year, and I am encouraged by some of the activity, at least in electrosurgical generators, for this year and we did mention earlier that we would expect an improvement in power instrument handpieces once we come out with our lithium-ion battery offering.

Dalton Chandler

Analyst

Okay, and then just shifting to the MTF deal, the press release said we had $7.2 million in revenue for the quarter. I assume that’s net of the amortization.

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Yes, that’s right Dalton.

Dalton Chandler

Analyst

Okay, that gives you a total of $14.7 million for the first half. I think that you had previously said you were expecting $33 to $35 for the full year, so is there some seasonality in that business?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

No. A little over $14 million, $14.7 million net. The amortization is $3 million or thereabouts for the first half. So that gets us into $17 million on a half-year basis gross, and so just multiplying times 2 that gets us to the $34 million, $35 million, which we had expected. So…

Dalton Chandler

Analyst

So I guess I misunderstood. I thought the $33 to $35 was the net, but…

Robert Shallish

Analyst

No, no the $30 to $35 is gross.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of James Sidoti from Sidoti & Company.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Just 2 quick ones. One, on the currency. You said you were able to hedge rate to about $41 for this year as far as the euro goes, where do you see that coming into 2013?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Well, we've done a little bit of hedging for 2013, Jim. For the EUR, we have got some rates locked in at about $1.31, $1.32, but it’s not a large piece of our EUR exposure. It might be 20% or so of our EUR exposure. So, we still have either some hedging to do or we’ll just end up being somewhat exposed I guess to day-to-day currency exchange rates on that score. As a reminder, the euro is roughly 35% to 40% of our total foreign currency exposure and that represents about 15% of our total sales.

James Sidoti

Analyst

All right, and you have some sales and marketing organizations over there, so there is some natural hedge to that.

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Yes, that’s exactly right. And I must add that the Canadian rates are remaining fairly good as well as Australia, and the pound is off a little bit, but not as much as the EUR.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay, so you might see a little bit of degradation in the EUR next year, but like you said, it’s about 35% of your international sales?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Right, exactly.

James Sidoti

Analyst

All right, and then, have you come to any kind of conclusions regarding the medical device tax regarding what…

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Let me just back up a little bit. It’s 35% of our exposure, so it’s not 35% of our foreign sales. Foreign sales are 50% of our business, but only about 35% of our total sales or 2/3 of our foreign sales are denominated in currencies other than the dollar.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. Right, I understand. And then regarding the device tax, have you come to any conclusion how you’re going to account for that?

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

In terms of the device tax, our plan right now is to make every attempt that we can to pass that tax onto our customers in terms of either price increase on the actual prices of the products or potentially line item on our invoice. See how that works out.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. But if it’s not a line item on the invoice, I assume you’ll book it as revenue and then would you expense it in your gross margin line or in your SG&A line?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

I’ll tell you, Jim, that’s still up in the air. My preference would be to break it out as a separate line item, as a non-operating cost similar to interest expense, but, I don’t think any of the companies involved have made a decision yet on how they’re going to show that.

James Sidoti

Analyst

All right, and then as far as your U.S. sales that are subject to that tax, should we assume that, that’s a 100% or are there some sales that, on your patient care lines sales to other companies, would not be subject to that tax?

Robert Shallish

Analyst

Well, 50% of our sales are here in the U.S. Now, what sales would be excluded? I think the MTF distribution revenues would not be taxed, so that’s some amount, that’s $35 million, $40 million that would not be taxed. I’ve got a question about service revenues, the revenue we received from servicing products, so that would be a slight adjustment to the 50% factor, but if you are trying to do a rough calculation, it’s probably 45% to 50% of our sales would have the tax.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Fleming with Heartland Advisors.

Andrew Fleming

Analyst · Heartland Advisors.

I just had a quick question on your debt. I thought you paid down a bit this past quarter, can you just comment where you expect it to be by the end of the year?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Heartland Advisors.

Well, as we mentioned, we expect the cash flow to continue to be good, and with that cash flow, we would anticipate reducing the debt. So, we have paid down $30 million so far in the first half, and so I guess my expectation would be at least another $30 million on the debt for the rest of the year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Goldman with CL King.

Robert Goldman

Analyst · CL King.

Rob, first on SG&A to sales. You might have already mentioned this and I missed it, but it did have a pretty decent bump-up at ratio year-on-year, and what drove that?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · CL King.

Well, it’s the MTF group that joined us in January, so we don’t have much in the way of cost of sales related to those MTF revenues, but we've added some 30 people to the organization and they all sit, from an accounting perceptive, in SG&A, so it’s the cost of those programs.

Robert Goldman

Analyst · CL King.

Based on that though, Rob, you also had in the first quarter, but your year-one-year increase in SG&A in the first quarter was only 30 basis points, but was a 190 basis point in the second, so I get the sense it's something beyond that.

Robert Shallish

Analyst · CL King.

Well, there is obviously some ups and downs in the cost of running the business on a quarter-to-quarter basis. I think we had some favorability in the first quarter in some items like benefits and whatnot. So I can’t point to any specific things, Bob, to be honest with you, but I think the bulk of the change is a result of the MTF Group that joined us.

Robert Goldman

Analyst · CL King.

Okay. And then Rob, you mentioned the movement of some of the manufacturing to Mexico. Any sense in the second quarter of what percent of sales Mexico represented and any estimate of what it will at the end of this calendar year?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · CL King.

Well, I think this year’s principal activities with Mexico is the Santa Barbara change, so I think we’re going to be approaching 25% or so of our production in Mexico, so that should occur here by the end of the year, Bob.

Robert Goldman

Analyst · CL King.

Okay, and then firmly on Altrus, you have mentioned these 50 cases per week, and you had sort of been stuck there for the last 3 weeks. If each device is something on the order of 700, although maybe you can clarify that, and they are using just one per procedure, it would seem like the dollar revenue in July would be tacked to be considerably less what it was in June or May. Could you help me out with the math here?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · CL King.

Well, I think you’ve got the math right, and I think the summer is an interesting time, Bob, because physicians go on vacation, so sometimes it’s hard to get to them, very frankly. I don’t think it’s indicative of anything to do with our product, but I do think that it’s oftentimes difficult to roll out new devices in the summer months.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Landy with Summer Street Research.

Mark Landy

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Just a quick question, I think probably more from 30,000 feet, if we have a look at really what’s going on in the markets, procedure volumes remain difficult, economic headwinds, government policy has a lot of uncertainty around some of its future. The management of product lifecycles and then how they dovetail with competitor’s lifecycles and offerings. Are they all kind of hitting at the same time or is one of those really standing out as more of a challenge than the others?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Well, Mark, I have looked at a number of releases from other medical device companies over the last few days, and it seems like all of us are somewhat disappointed in top line growth. I think ours overall at 3.5% or so is in line with what other companies are seeing, but obviously we’d like it to be more than that, and a good deal of our growth this year is a result of the MTF arrangement, so that on an organic basis we’re more or less flat in the second quarter, although up for the entire year, so I think what we are seeing is not too dissimilar from what other companies are exhibiting, and frankly I think it’s the global economy, I think the economy worldwide is soft right now and that’s hindering the normalized growth that we would typically see in our business. So we’re hopeful that that’s going to change over the next several quarters, but in the short-term, I think that we’re going to be somewhat hampered by factors outside of our control.

Mark Landy

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

That, I think begs some of the questions, if innovation is rewarded in better economic times, would it make sense to perhaps manage the product lifecycles a little bit just to try and time the launches with some improvement in the economic outlook or is that just too much of a crapshoot and you would rather just have the sales force peddling and pushing the latest and the greatest opportunities?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Well, my personal opinion is that the latest and greatest is always going to win out no matter what the economic situation is, so things like the Y-Knot product that we just fully launched in June and the Sequent device that we launched last year, the shoulder restoration system that we launched last year, I think all these products are going to be beneficial for us, so the ramp may not be as robust as what would occur in boom times. I think that it’s still favorable to roll these things out when they are ready.

Mark Landy

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Okay. Good point. Just moving onto some of the government business that you mentioned, what portion of that business is with the military, if any?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Well, we have quite a bit of -- not quite a bit of business. I don’t know what our total business with the Veterans Administration is. We have some there. With the actual military, I would say it’s fairly low. Joe has already mentioned some electrosurgical generators that we sold to the government a year or so ago. And frankly, I’ve kind of forgotten if that was a military procurement or a state department procurement, so it’s varied, I would say our largest portion of government business is to the Veterans Administration.

Mark Landy

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Okay, good. And then I think just one of the general trends from the releases that we’ve gotten thus far is that the U.K. seems to be one of the brightest spots, perhaps now maybe even globally, specifically in Europe, and perhaps for the whole orthopedic market and not geographically, is it a wild card to think of some disruption to that business over the next 2 weeks given the Olympics in London that could have some impact on third quarter results, or is that really trying to analyze things too deeply?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · Summer Street Research.

Yes, we have to say we haven’t thought about the impact from the Olympics. We will say that the U.K. was a bright spot for us in Q2; it grew 23%, and so it did actually much better than the Eurozone. Eurozone actually declined for us a bit, maybe 7%. That's a surprise for us, but the U.K. being as strong as it was and we just certainly hope it continues.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Dale Dutile with The Boston Company.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

The question about currency and those EUR hedges you talked about earlier seem more and more valuable here. I’m just trying to understand how those manifest in the P&L that we’re seeing in the second quarter?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Okay, what we've accomplished this year is to have hedged about 80% of our foreign currency exposure, so we calculate our exposure based upon what we expect our foreign currency sales to be less the expenses that we have in the foreign currency. I’ll make it easy. So if we expect sales to be €1,000 or €100,000, we would expect that we have expenses against that in the local subsidiary of say, €50,000. So our exposure is €50,000 and we would hedge 80% of that or say, €40,000. So the hedges that we’ve entered into have shown to be a benefit this year because we entered into them last year when the rates were much more favorable to us, and the benefit of those hedges, we recorded as a revenue item. So it doesn’t totally offset the reduction in sales as a result of the currencies being lower today than they were because sales are translated current item-for-item, euro to dollar, euro to dollar at the current rates, but we’re only recording a hedge benefit of about 40% against those sales.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

That makes sense, okay, so there is no cost impact, the accounting is all in the revenue line item?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

That’s right, there's a benefit in SG&A to some extent because the costs are lower than what they would have been.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Because they’re euro denominated?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Because they’re euro denominated.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

So if I wanted to try to estimate how much they’re kind of benefitting now using your example, your kind of €100,000 and €50,000 of local expense, and you hedge that €50,000 exposure at 80%, I mean, I could essentially assume, because your head spot rates are kind of low, $120s versus your heads are about $141, kind of 12%, 13%. So that hedged amount would be 12% to 13% lower in dollar terms than if you haven’t had the hedge?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Yes, that will be right.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Okay, that’s helpful. And just secondly on your single use stuff is 7.5%, I just want to be clear, that includes MTF, or it does not include MTF, the growth in single use products?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Well, our total growth in single use products has a currency of 7.8%. That includes the MTF association, yes.

Dale Dutile

Analyst · The Boston Company.

Okay, so MTF would be the majority of that $7.2 million?

Robert Shallish

Analyst · The Boston Company.

$7.2, right.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no additional questions. I would now like to hand the call over to Mr. Corasanti for closing remarks.

Joseph Corasanti

Analyst

Thank you very much for joining us on today’s second quarter conference call and we look forward to talking to you again on our third quarter conference call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.