Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BigCommerce Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your first speaker today, Tyler Duncan, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. You may begin.

Good morning, and welcome to BigCommerce's third quarter 2024 earnings call. We will be discussing the results announced in our press release issued today before markets open. With me are BigCommerce's Executive Chair, Ellen Simanoff, Chief Executive Officer, Travis Hess, and Chief Financial Officer, Daniel Lentz. Today's call contains certain forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safeguard provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include statements concerning financial and business trends, as well as our expected future business and financial performance, financial condition, and our guidance for both the fourth quarter of 2024 and the full year of 2024. These statements can be identified by words such as expect, anticipate, contend, plan, believe, peak, committed, will, or similar words. These statements reflect our views as of today only, should not be relied upon as representing our views at any subsequent date, and we do not undertake any duty to update these statements. Forward-looking statements, by their nature, address matters that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. For a discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to the risks and other disclosures contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During the call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure, as well as how we define these metrics and other metrics, is included in our earnings press release, which has been furnished to the SEC and is also available on our website at investors.bigcommerce.com. With that, let me turn the call over to Ellen Simanoff, Executive Chair.

Good morning, and thank you all for joining our Q3 earnings call. I'm excited to be here as the company's new Executive Chair and share some of the important changes underway to lead BigCommerce into its next phase of growth. I'd like to kick off today by acknowledging Brent's leadership over the last nine years. Brent's vision and dedication to our team, our partners, and our customers have been essential to our success, and we are grateful for his many contributions. Despite our growth and many achievements over the last several years, our operational performance has fallen short of expectations. With the many changes we are making and will discuss today, we believe we are well-positioned to create the level of shareholder value of which BigCommerce is fully capable. The entire board is excited to see Travis Hess lead this company. We are confident he will drive value for shareholders. Travis brings the right mix of industry expertise, operational focus, and a fresh perspective on the business that will reignite and bolster our growth. Now I'd like to introduce Travis, our new CEO, to share his perspective and plans for the future of our business.

Thank you, Ellen, and thanks to everybody joining the call today. This team's hard work and dedication have created a business with tremendous potential, and I'm excited to take the reins at this pivotal moment to help lead BigCommerce into a new era of growth. We had a solid Q3 with continued momentum in key areas, particularly profit and cash flow. Daniel is going to cover the details shortly, but I want to emphasize that while our performance was strong in many areas, this is just the beginning of what I think we can achieve. I was drawn to BigCommerce for a few key reasons, but the biggest one is that we are materially underrepresented in the market relative to the strength of our products. Products that effectively meet the demand of organizations, industries, and brands with more nuanced use cases and requirements. We've too often tried to be all things to all people, and as a result, unintentionally diluted our broader value proposition. By focusing on discerning organizations and brands with unique challenges not met by existing prepackaged monoliths, we can help them be successful and drive more shareholder value. Having spent the majority of my career on the services side, I have a proven record of addressing business challenges with clear and measurable outcomes. My approach here is no different. My role and BigCommerce's role is not to debate commerce features and functions across different platforms. Instead, we need to be business outcome-oriented and committed to quickly enabling organizations and brands to differentiate in the market, deliver value to their customers across all channels, and optimize their revenue while reducing their cost. Through our full suite of products, we can be more transformational to our clients while remaining agile and committed to best-in-class commerce and customer experience capabilities…

Speaking of B2B, we obviously feel this is a massive market for us to compete and win in, and we are continuing to accelerate investment in this area. For clarity, we see three specific types of B2B-oriented clients. First, enterprise and mid-market core B2B organizations consisting primarily of manufacturers and distributors. These organizations want to use BigCommerce to drive organizational transformation and headcount reduction via digitalization and broader system standardization. They typically run their business on legacy or homegrown platforms and have a fair amount of technical debt. They also have complex requirements such as custom contractual pricing, configurable and bespoke products that require quoting workflows before purchase, a unique catalog with checkout and purchasing requirements that may be purchase order-oriented, purchases against credit terms, or a combination of alternatives. The second type of B2B-oriented clients are greenfield core B2B organizations consisting of manufacturers and distributors looking to quickly digitize their operations and launch a best-in-class B2B commerce platform and maintain it with a very small internal team that also allows them to scale into the future despite some complicated requirements and use cases. Lastly, we also service hybrid B2B customers, essentially customers who primarily sell direct to consumer but also have wholesale requirements and sell through third-party retailer marketplaces or are simply too small to warrant EDI connectivity. This last group is by far the simplest of the three examples and is the primary B2B use case for our largest competitor. Now that I've clarified the B2B target market, I really want to circle back to where we're investing in our B2B capabilities. In Q3, we integrated the next phase of our B2B features into our core platform, giving customers access to all of BigCommerce's B2B edition features directly in the control panel. In Q4, we plan to add…

Thanks, Travis, and thank you everyone for joining us today. During my remarks, I'll cover our Q3 results, including the cost reductions and restructuring announced this morning, provide additional detail on our key areas of operational focus, and offer updated guidance for Q4 and the full year 2024. In Q3, total revenue was just under $84 million, up 7% year over year. Subscription revenue grew 7% year over year to approximately $63 million. Partner and services revenue, or PSR, increased 8% year over year to just under $21 million. Regionally, revenue in the Americas grew 6%, EMEA increased by 12%, and APAC was up 9% compared to the prior year. We remain committed to profitable growth. Our Q3 non-GAAP operating income was just over $4 million compared to a loss of $1 million in the same period last year. This reflects a year-over-year improvement of 700 basis points in our non-GAAP operating margin, from approximately negative 2% in Q3 2023 to positive 5% in Q3 2024. As Travis mentioned earlier, we're investing in and streamlining our go-to-market organization to the three strategic priorities we've discussed over the past two earnings calls. I'd like to provide more detail on how these actions reaffirm our commitment. First, we remain focused on driving efficient revenue growth. We've significantly reduced our investments in underperforming channels and reallocated those resources towards higher-performing areas. And we will nearly double our quota-carrying sales capacity in 2025. Additionally, we've realigned our sales organization and compensation structure to better match the strategic areas Travis outlined earlier. We now have dedicated go-to-market teams built around our B2C, B2B, and small business offerings, with incentives focused on driving customer share of wallet across our entire product portfolio. Second, we're focused on driving operating leverage. We've streamlined leadership layers to enhance decision-making,…

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you're using the speakerphone, please lift your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Ken Wong with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Fantastic. Thank you for taking my question. Lots of changes, lots of moving pieces here today. Travis, I wanted to start with you on the product side. It sounds like you guys are looking to integrate Feedonomics and MakeSwift. How does that potentially change BigCommerce's open ecosystem approach? And should we expect you guys to more directly compete with ISV partners going forward?

Hey, Ken. Thanks for the question. No, I think we're materially committed to a more open approach, certainly versus our competition. We feel MakeSwift is a real unlock as a visual editor. We feel it's the best visual editor in the business that's really business user and marketing-facing. That's a real difference maker, not only in agility to deliver value to our customers but also enabling them to drive very immersive experiences with very small teams. Feedonomics is certainly just as complementary. I think the thesis there is we feel like it's the best feed management tool in the market, looking to optimize revenue across non-owned channels as well as some owned, and it complements the BigCommerce suite quite nicely. Although we do respect the fact that a large portion of Feedonomics revenues will oftentimes be consumed by upmarket brands or alternative brands that would never use BigCommerce for whatever reason, just based on legacy platforms and other dynamics.

Okay. Got it. And then maybe one for Ellen or Travis. Back in May, June, the summer timeframe, there was some outside interest. How is the board and management approaching those considerations going forward?

Thank you very much. This is Ellen, in case you couldn't get that from the higher-pitched voice. We are here to improve shareholder value, and we continue to talk to partners inside and outside. We are here for shareholders. We will do whatever it takes.

Okay. Fantastic. I'll jump back in the queue and pass the mic. Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from Koji Ikeda with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey. It's Natalie Howe on for Koji. Thanks for taking my question. As you guys are working on improving cross-selling by doing the deeper integrations between all your products, what efforts are you guys most excited about in the R&D division that we can also be excited for? How long until those technical integrations are more streamlined for customers to use or for brand familiarity and for salespeople to start selling it more packaged together?

Natalie, great question. Thanks. Part of it is already integrated. So MakeSwift, as an example, is a material part of the Catalyst accelerator reference architecture. So you're going to see that kind of its debut around NRF in January in New York. That'll go to market with the rest of the sales team. Feedonomics, we would expect we've got a very robust enterprise offering for upmarket brands. We're in the process of launching a self-serve version of Feedonomics that'll widen that addressable market for mid-market and down-market brands as well, which would be exciting. I think the biggest upside you're going to see more materially early on is a more organic cross-sell, upsell leveraging the portfolio brands to wedge into clients or increase attach rates and effectiveness of greater wallet share from existing clients as we see tangible attraction and applicability from each one of those products.

Got it. Thank you. And a quick second question. With the new administration, how could this play into the demand environment?

Yeah. Thanks for the question. This is Daniel. I think it's really too early to say. I think we have to see what the administration wants to do. There are a lot of different things that they've talked about. We'll just have to see how that affects prices, consumer demand, and the like. I'd say as we think about next year, we're not really making changes to our plans at this time based on some expectation of change in that area. We'll just have to see how that plays out when the new administration comes in in Q1.

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Your next question comes from DJ Hines with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

So, Travis, look, you said one of the mistakes of the past is that you've tried to be everything to everyone. And then I hear you say you're going to be B2C, B2B, SMB going forward. Just help me flush that out. What is BigCommerce not going to be going forward that should simplify the organization?

Yeah. I think, clearly, we've got a rich install base across those three offering groups. I think within those offering groups, the intention is to narrow the focus and embrace the fact that we're really for discerning customers looking to scale. Right? And part of that is higher efficiency expansion across that existing customer base and growth across those three offerings. Also driving additional authenticity in the market. B2B is a very different engagement, talk track, buying audience, and solution, obviously, from B2C. It requires deeper expertise, a bit more of a nuance. It's more of a cost takeout around manual labor versus a conversion and experience play. So by definition, it requires a completely bifurcated approach to go deeper, narrower, and deeper. And I think small business has always been a large portion of our existing install base. It will continue to be a focus, although we're recognizing the fact that it's not for all small businesses. It's really for discerning small businesses looking to differentiate and scale as opposed to everyone and anything.

Okay. Got it. And then, Daniel, one for you. Look, we've had three quarters in a row now of declines in the number of enterprise accounts, this quarter being more material than the prior two. Can you just talk about what's happening there? How much of that is folks kind of dropping below a spend threshold? How much of that is outright attrition? Where are those folks going? Any color there would be helpful.

Yeah. Good question. Obviously, it's not a result that we're happy with. I'd say two points. One, we are, as I said in my prepared remarks, we're making progress in prioritizing dollarized retention. That's really been the focus. That said, that's not an okay reason for the count to be not growing. And that's really, I'd say, a result broadly speaking of two areas. One, we haven't seen the pipeline build across the whole business the way that we wanted to by this point in the year. We're seeing a lot of encouraging results there, particularly in B2B, which is part of the reason we've made the changes that we're making and doubling down in that area. But we haven't quite seen the pipeline that we wanted at this point of the year, and that's had part to do with it. It just hasn't been enough in some cases to offset some of the net attrition on some of the lower, smaller accounts within the enterprise set. Again, it's an area of focus for us. We're not happy about it, and we're focused on getting it turned around.

Yep. Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate the color.

Our next question comes from Maddie Schrage with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question this morning. My first one's for Travis. Just curious, now that you've stepped into the CEO role, are there any early learnings or surprises that you've seen so far? And then the second one's for Daniel. Just want to give you some more context around the go-to-market changes that you've done this quarter and curious if there's an update on the timeline. Where does go-to-market need to be, maybe a target date that you guys have set or something like that?

Thanks for the question, Maddie. I would say my original remit here in the first four months was exclusively challenges. Challenges, quite frankly, have been, as I've alluded to in kind of the opening remarks and in some of the answers here, again, very wide, broad focus on feature and function. Lack of integration of some of the other products that we've acquired and integrated. I think going forward, you're going to see that more laser-focused, but I had a four-month head start on that to go get that kind of cleaned up and rearchitected. So no real surprises there. I think really, that was the biggest gap I saw in the business is aligning a go-to-market with more authenticity, focus, and just more commerce expertise in the market against what we feel is a very capable suite of products. So no real surprises, just a nice four-month head start on what really the largest of our challenges were.

And, Maddie, for the second part of your question, as far as timeline, I would say across this year, we've been making a lot of substantial changes already. Those have been really focused on prioritizing, as I said, dollarized retention of our largest accounts and trying to drive better cross-sell. Ultimately, we felt to get cross-sell and existing account expansion where it needed to be, we needed to fully integrate all of the different brands under the parent company. And that's what Travis was talking about earlier. As I look at where we're going from here, it really is about specialization and getting depth of expertise in go-to-market to better serve the needs of customers. That's why we're going to have dedicated selling teams across B2B and B2C. We're adding roles to have as much focus on account expansion as we do on account acquisition. And I think that those changes will be substantially complete by the end of Q4 with ramp on the reps that we're going to be adding across Q1 and Q2. We're really aiming to get to double capacity next year and then have really strong momentum as we exit the year.

Okay. And just one quick follow-up. You mentioned, you know, nearly doubling your quota-carrying sales capabilities in 2025. Just curious if that's going to be reallocating existing employees or going out and hiring new salespeople. Thanks.

A little bit of a combination of the two, but primarily, it's going to be a lot of folks coming in from the outside. Where we have folks on the inside that we think have the expertise within the offering areas that Travis outlined, we will obviously keep those people there. They're ramped. They're great employees. We're excited about that. We're also really excited to take advantage of a really great time in the market to get a lot of really deep commerce expertise within B2C and B2B in particular that we think can really broaden the solutions that we can offer to customers and really have better resonance in those offering groups that we think are really going to help us differentiate in the market.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Josh Baer with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. This is Katie Cuser for Josh Baer this morning. A lot of encouraging commentary around operational rigor and focus on efficient growth, kind of controlling the things that are under your control. It would be helpful to get an update on what you're seeing in the broader e-commerce demand or kind of consumer spending backdrops and how you think these operational changes will withstand kind of ongoing vacillations in this broader backdrop and things that may be more outside of your control. Thanks a lot.

Great. Good question. I would say overall commerce trends are the same as what's been going on. Consumer spend is pretty resilient, platform spending's okay. Not great. We'll see what the election results do to that, if any, but, again, outside of our control. We're not planning on any sort of big macro tailwinds. Certainly, we're most optimistic about B2B. That's been the largest majority of our net new bookings. Certainly, I think it maps well to our differentiation and core expertise. That pipeline's been building quite nicely. But generally speaking, we would expect more of the same of what we've seen in generalized demand going forward.

And then, this is Daniel. One thing I would add, just in terms of your question about resilience, there is so much opportunity here to really not just get more effective in how we're going about go-to-market, but to end up ultimately with much better momentum coming out of it. And I think that the changes that we're making really give us some durability no matter the economic conditions. Just two examples. We're really moving from kind of a generalist go-to-market motion where we have, you know, the same sellers that are focused on landing new accounts and expanding accounts. We have the same sellers that are talking to B2B customers and B2C customers. And the changes that we're making are really more about bringing more specialization and expertise. Sometimes better than others, but we think that that's going to give us a lot better durability and expertise that's going to help sustain more durable growth over time.

Super helpful. Thanks, guys.

Our next question comes from Mark Murphy with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hey. Good morning, guys. This is Arti on for Mark Murphy. Thanks for taking the question. First one, Travis, you guys talked about making significant investments to advance your AI capabilities. You guys also released a Google AI tool that helps shoppers with real-time personalized recommendations. I guess my question is, is this just a continuation of a strategy that was in place, or is there something that's maybe changed in terms of how you guys are approaching it? Thanks.

I'll answer it a couple of different ways. Good question. There'll be some expansion to what we've already announced. I think a lot of it is very tact-oriented to improve workflows and efficiencies and things like that. There are other things that we are in the process of developing that's going to, as an example, dramatically accelerate the ability for existing clients to move to upgraded versions of our product or clients running on other technologies to migrate to our capabilities, which would be wildly interesting, I think. And then in specific industry segments, most notably B2B, I think you'll see some advancement around AI applicability around CPQ and handling very complex sort of B2B requirements, particularly around manufacturers and distributors, that would dramatically widen our addressable market in those particular use cases.

Very helpful. Thank you. And then, Daniel, when we're thinking about this doubling of quota-carrying capacity in 2025, do you have any sense of how that might look in terms of weighting throughout the year of when those hires would happen? And is this going to be the typical ramp time for the sales reps of, you know, three to four quarters?

Our ramp time is a little bit better than that. We typically see full ramp within two, maybe three quarters. And we are planning to add those reps quickly to the extent we think that makes sense. But we really want to get the substantial majority of that hiring done in the front half of the year. That way, we have as much fully ramped momentum with new hires going into the back half of the year as we can next year.

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from Scott Berg with Needham. Please go ahead.

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions here. I want to go back to a comment that Ellen made. I'm going to paraphrase what's operational performance has fallen short from, I guess, what your all expectations were. What is the operational performance? Or what should that look like here going forward?

This is Daniel. I'll take that question. As we said, we're really looking to get this company to a sustainable, balanced rule of forty profile. We're going to get into a lot more detail about this at our Investor Day in New York City in March, but I want to reemphasize just a couple of things. Number one, we believe that the company has underperformed based on the quality of the products and the brands that we have, and that's due to a lot of factors that are within our control and some of that would be obviously helped by factors outside of our control in a macro context. But we need to see revenue growth rates in the teens minimum, we want to get above that, and we want to make sure that we're staffing to do that. We want to be accountable to those results. And everything that we're doing from the board to the management team and thinking about how we approach that is in reaccelerating growth where it needs to be and doing it in a way that just throws off growing profit margin and cash flow in a way that ultimately drives really strong shareholder value.

Got it. Helpful. And then, you know, Travis, you're going to roughly double your quoting capacity here going forward as you've mentioned a couple of times, but one of your responses to one of the questions is the platform spend is just okay out in the market right now. I guess if it's just okay, why double the capacity spend? You know, kind of right now. Why not wait for that to maybe improve a little bit?

Well, first of all, we don't have enough period right now just even given current conditions. I think when I'm saying just okay, I'm specifically referring to traditional D2C replatforms that have been, again, I think, mediocre at best over the last year or two. I think part of the challenge for us too is we're just not in enough rooms, quite frankly. We do well when we're in rooms. There's a lot of factors that go into getting rooms and to orchestrate that is not just one thing, but it starts with who your ideal customer profile is, what sort of value you're tangibly bringing to them, and what that message market to generate demand. I think just the uptick in that alone will get us into more rooms. And by definition, despite current market conditions being okay, I suspect we'll see an uplift from just that alone. On the B2B side, we're way more bullish. I think that is a market that is laggards compared to B2C that's been going on for a long time. It's a much wider addressable market in general. We've got a bigger right to win there against our competition. They tend to be more enriching deals for services providers. And they tend to drive more material cost savings, which is the primary thesis of digitizing B2B, which despite economic headwinds, if you're able to drive out cost, you can artificially create and accelerate demand.

Got it. Helpful. Thanks for taking my questions.

Next question comes from Bert Simono with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hey. This is Jeremy on for Samad Samana. Thanks for taking my questions, guys. So you called out early kind of guidance for 2025 of middle single-digit growth. I guess, what's baked into that? What needs to happen? And I guess what might lead to upside to that early forecast?

Great question. As we look into 2025, I think general conditions that get to mid-single-digit growth is just where we are in bookings thus far in the year and where we are in pipeline. As I said, pipeline B2B in particular has some really positive signs, but overall, we haven't gotten to the pipeline growth by the back half of the year that we wanted, which is why I think that our expectations are a little bit more moderated going into next year than where we would have wanted them to be at the beginning of this year. Things that would drive improvements to that, there's a lot, and this is why we're making the changes that we are. There are so many opportunities to get that going in a faster direction. Part of it is, obviously, it's just pure sales capacity. A lot of this is the choices that we're making in how we're building and designing the products to make it easier for customers to grow their share of wallet with us without having to contact the sales rep in the first place. And there's a lot of things that we're going to be looking at in the business, where we think it makes sense to rethink choices that we made in the past that we think can broaden and deepen our relationship with customers. That goes from a self-serve version of the Feedonomics product, thinking about how we can take MakeSwift to market as an independent product, some of the different partner solutions that we have in place, everything from how we think about our payments offerings and different things that we have in other areas with partners. And we think that there are a lot of potential tailwinds that we can see from that. And if we get to a place where the economy gets in a better place, that's kind of a cherry on top for us. But we think that this is within our control, and we don't need to sit around waiting for the economy to get better for us to see much better growth rates.

Gotcha. That's useful color. I guess someone called out the enterprise customer account, but looking at the enterprise ARPA growth, I mean, that's been pretty strong. I think it's been accelerating year over year. What's driving the strength there? And I guess, how much room is there for that to grow?

What's been driving the growth on that is prioritizing growth and expansion with our largest dollarized accounts, which I spoke about earlier. I want us to be doing a better job with unit retention as well as dollarized retention. So I'm not primarily focused, we are not primarily focused on ARPA by itself. We want to see healthy growth in both ARPA and unit count. We think as we continue to move upmarket over time and as we continue to offer a product which gives abilities for customers to broaden their spend with us over time as we deliver better value to them, we can see continued growth in ARPA over time as well.

Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.

Your next question comes from Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking the question. So just on the integration efforts, you guys hit on a lot, and I know you're starting those today. Is there a rough timeline of when we should think about that being fully completed and this cross-sell kind of product dynamic should be really soon from your perspective?

Yeah. Thanks for the question. This is Travis. The target right now is the end of Q4. Some of that is really, really far along. Some of it, as it relates specifically to Feedonomics, is such a different solution and typically consumed by different stakeholders within larger organizations, there's only going to be so much natural organic integration. As you go down market a bit, mid-market, small business, you're going to see more of a self-service model there that'll be a bit more automated. The target for that is towards the end of H1 next year. But MakeSwift, like I said, has already been integrated. People are leveraging it today. That official sort of coming out party will be anchored around the NRF show in New York in mid-January.

Got it. Maybe just a follow-up. If you guys are looking to be more focused on some opportunities, any help on trying to understand what you're looking at internationally? Are you still targeting a lot of markets there, or is there a pullback? Love to understand that perspective.

Thank you. Yeah. Interestingly enough, our actual best-performing market in the quarter was EMEA as it relates to quarter-over-quarter growth. So we're seeing a lot of momentum over there for a myriad of reasons. One, I think we've invested in some markets over there, particularly in Italy and Southern Europe, where we've seen a lot of demand and a lot of efficacy. By definition, you have a kind of a more complicated use case in that market, which we feel maps really, really well to our product suite. So I think we'll continue to see some bullish demand there. I'll turn to Daniel for any other specifics.

I would just say, I mean, we've also seen a lot of strength in the UK. I think it's a really, really strong market. Also, quite frankly, I think we have an exceptional team in EMEA as well that's leading that. You know, I think the product lends itself well to growth there. We remain committed to the expansion that we've already done within EMEA. I don't anticipate us opening up a bunch of new markets with a long payback period. We're really focused on efficiency and growth in the markets that we are already in, and we think that, in EMEA in particular, we're very, very bullish about that area.

Alright. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Gabriela Borges with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. For Travis and for Daniel, so by the time we see the improvement on the outside, I'm sorry. You will have already seen it coming on the inside. And so my question for you is what sort of metrics are you going to be tracking internally to measure and quantify some of the success you're having? And what can we see from the outside looking in before we see those quarters where you're starting to print some mid-teens revenue growth? Thanks.

Great question. I think the best forward indicator is what we're seeing in sequential growth in total ARR, and enterprise ARR maybe perhaps to a slightly lesser extent because of the three offering groups that we're going to be focusing on, small business is one of those. And so I anticipate seeing healthier growth sustainably over time in small business going forward. The best, you know, when I look at the business, I'm looking at pipeline. I'm looking at where we are in advance deals through pipeline, and that manifests itself most clearly in ARR and subscription ARR. And so as those numbers start to turn, I think that's when we're going to start to see a turnaround in the top line. If you look at the numbers on the quarter, we posted an ARR growth of five relative to a revenue growth, I think, of seven. We need to see ARR growth tracking on pace or slightly ahead of revenue. When we start to tip that in that direction, I think is when we're going to start to see reacceleration on the revenue line.

Yep. Absolutely. That makes sense. The follow-up is, Travis, on a comment you made a couple of times in the last forty-five minutes around BigCommerce looking for discerning customers looking to scale. I wanted to ask you a little bit more on the competitive environment and that segment in particular. If I think five, seven years ago, Shopify wasn't really anywhere in the mid-market and the larger customer space. Today, they talked about being much more aggressive with Shopify Plus, for example. So a little bit more on the competitive environment and how you see Shopify as a competitor. Thanks.

Yeah. Generally speaking, I would say it's hard to start a business. It's harder to scale one. I think our product suite lends itself more to those organizations needing to scale versus start, arguably. I think Shopify has had a nice market share on doing that. I've certainly spent a lot of time in that ecosystem. We'll give credit where credit's due. I think from a discerning customer perspective, I think, to use an easy analogy, the deeper into that in the sense that the iPhone, by definition, is very closed. Apple kind of takes an approach that we've figured it all out for you. Here it is. We know what's best for you. You're not going to jailbreak it. You're not going to really customize it. What you see is what you get. And for a large portion of the market, that's suitable. Just like it is for me as an iPhone user. Android, if you ask people to use it, will give a myriad of reasons why. They can make it more bespoke. They can customize it. It's open. It's got a better camera, better hardware, things like that. I think we're very much taking a similar approach to market. It's all about composability, agility, optionality for clients. We don't believe, and someone asked a question earlier if we're going to cannibalize other ISVs into the platform. The answer is, philosophically, no. We believe third-party ISVs bring best-in-class capabilities at a faster rate for our clients than we could ever possibly develop internally. Our job is to create best-in-class APIs and the ability for customers to very quickly, very easily ingest those capabilities to map to their business use cases and, arguably, how they best want to differentiate and scale.

That makes sense. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Chris Jiang with UBS. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking our question. It's helpful that you give them the early indication on 2025 and also some of the frameworks you're going to talk about at the Investor Day. I guess, at this point, would you be able to share regarding the rule of forty framework, what's the timeline you were thinking of maybe just reaching that level and then have a follow-up?

I don't think we're at a position where we can share definitively when we're going to get to a rule of forty profile. I think just with the economic climate where it is and where we are as a business from an execution perspective, we know we have a lot of work to do, and we have a long way to go to get there. We're committed to getting there. We're accountable to getting there, and I think that the board and the management team has made very clear we're going to decisively take the actions we need to do in order to be there. When we look specifically at next year, really, we're thinking about approaching into this as a transition year of sorts from a go-to-market perspective, and we're trying to get that done as fast as possible so that next year doesn't have as much of a ramp time to deal with for the reps that we're going to be adding. And so when we look at next year, from a planning perspective, we use that word carefully because that's not guidance. We're trying to share how we're thinking about numbers internally and how we're building our plans. You know, we're exiting the year really well from a profit and a cash flow point of view. I think that we're going to be doing significantly better than I think where expectations are right now on profit and cash. We wanted to be clear about this on this call. But we do think that the top line is going to be a little bit tight because we didn't get quite the growth that we wanted this year. And so I think next year, aiming for mid-single-digit growth on a planning basis, we think there's a lot of routes to get there, but we want to get these changes done as quickly as we can so that we can get accelerating and then get to rule of forty as fast as we can in a balanced way.

Alright. Thank you. That's very helpful. So that one forward to the official 2025 guidance in more details on the Investor Day. And I guess maybe just to follow-up on more of the near term. On the restructuring, could you quantify some of the pro rate impact on maybe GAAP or non-GAAP OpEx? And I think that you mentioned there could be additional restructuring costs in 2025. Is that what you're thinking about in terms of further streamlining the organization, or is it part of the September 30th restructuring you've announced?

Great question. So we had a number of different kind of one-time items on the quarter. We had a material gain on the debt restructuring that we announced actually. Within restructuring, it was a $9.9 million charge, of which $9.8 million of that related to stuff specifically within this. We had a $100,000 tail from the restructuring we took last year. The composition of that really is in, I'd say, four primary areas. A little bit of asset impairment that we took with respect to some capitalized software. There were some changes with leases. We're looking to kind of really streamline and downsize where we think it makes sense. The use of our leased assets. We're also going to be making a pretty major effort, as we talked about on previous calls, to consolidate our software environment and transform. You know, we're going to a, you know, one consolidated CRM. It's a lot of the background stuff that goes with the integration of Feedonomics and other things we talked about. The primary item related to severance related to the headcount actions that we announced this morning. It is not complete. We still anticipate probably another, you know, potentially $3 to $5 million worth of restructuring costs across 2025. But that's primarily related to non-headcount impacts remaining, whether that is, you know, as we take software out of use, if we have to buy out some contracts in order to deprecate some software, we have some additional changes we're anticipating on the real estate side of things, things like that.

Alright. Super clear. Thank you so much.

Please conclude your question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Travis Hess, the CEO of the company, for any closing remarks.

Just wanted to thank everybody for attending and covering us today. Appreciate the questions. One last word, I want to again reiterate our commitment to growing top line, efficient revenue going forward, making material changes as quickly as possible. And I look forward to chatting more with you next quarter.

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