Sheng Fu
Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead
Okay. Let me answer. Thanks, Thomas, for your question. I think you also pointed out a very important issue in the robotics industry, which is the issue of insufficient training data today. The rapid development of AI has given us very high expectations for the robotics industry. Believing that today's AI capabilities have improved. And robots should soon be able to achieve various behavioral capabilities. But in fact, I don't think so because the development of AI agent including the development of large language models is actually built on the development of the Internet for 2 or 3 decades. The Internet essentially forms the basic training data of large language model. It is a very high-quality data set and the various problem in the robotics industry today is the lack of data. And many ways are being tried today with many manufacturers trying to use training data, including data migration, simulation training and so on. However, there is a very serious problem. The physical world is much more complex than the laboratory environment and the simulator environment. So today, whether it's data migration, collection or truly migrating to different ontologies, this adaptability will be a huge challenge. Let me give you an example. Today's Tesla's FSD is already very good. But in fact, some older versions of Tesla's own cars cannot install the latest FSD. So indeed, data is a very big problem. I also very much agree with what he said. The data continuously generated in the real deployment environment is actually very important for the robotics industry from our own experience. Let me give you two examples. One aspect is our voice interaction capability in different environments, which is actually closely related to our long-term exploration in various scenarios. Different noises, different environments, multiple people and so on, we have made some optimizations and training on the data. Therefore, the interaction effect of our interaction robots, including reception are leading in the industry today. We have a reputation of our own in the industry. Another example is the mechanical mobility, a very simple robot can navigate indoors from point A to point B. It is similar to a small low-speed driverless vehicle, how to use cheap chips and sensors to achieve automatic obstacle avoidance in different environments. In fact, all of these can only be achieved based on massive amounts of data. We recently launched a smart wheelchair, which we just mentioned, we started mass production in May. And now it seems that in overseas markets, especially in Europe, the sales momentum is quite good. In fact, for a traditional wheelchair product like this to achieve obstacle avoidance and assisted driving, many manufacturers, including some start-up manufacturers, want to achieve this kind of assisted driving capability, but to create a prototype and truly achieve good passing ability in many environments, it actually requires quite a lot of effort. This is related to the fact that we have deployed many robots in many environments over the years, regardless of the surface conditions such as carpets or floors. We have also enhanced the reflection of walls, all of which have accumulated over time, there is also continuous algorithm optimization based on actual scenarios. Therefore, our wheelchair can truly achieve lower cost, highly assisted driving capability. It has also received... [Audio Gap] So at this stage, the value chain is definitely in this regard. But I want to say the first is why I think it is not the model layer because although the model, there is very fierce competition. But what we see now is that the gap between models is not too wide, and it is not easy to widen. Today, for example, the models of China and the United States, we think there is probably a gap of about half a year. And this gap is probably such a process. And there is no sign that pulls the other side away. And among large manufacturers, I think the gap is a bit like ebb and flow. Of course, today's models are also in the early stage. And in the future, I think with the continuous increase in production of inference chips and training chips, the training costs will gradually decrease. So I think the model layer will be an infrastructure, but in the long run, it will not be monopolized. And with the continuous improvement of the model's capabilities, now we can see that many models, even if they are not top models but adapted to some daily tasks, have actually achieved very good results. For example, some open source models in China this year have seen a significant increase in the amount of calls. And I think the core reason is that they offer great cost effectiveness. -- they have achieved high completion rates in some tasks. Therefore, I even think that in the future, various specialized models will continue to emerge. Of course, this will take some time. The second infrastructure layer, we do not fully participate in, but we also see that because we have our own cloud business and we have tokens clients consuming here, the growth is also very fast. So I think this is a state of mismatch between supply and demand at this stage. But eventually, the infrastructure will also enter an economy of sale. And for applications, today, AI can actually reshape almost all applications. So there are huge opportunities in the application layer today, whether it is the industry we are doing like robots, we have been doing it for a long time, but we are still very firmly optimistic and the capabilities of the models continue to improve and the application of robots is wider, there are many things that it may be a bigger industry than the automotive industry. There are also many opportunities at the software level, which I will not expand on here. Even today, when we look at some large model companies, their valuations are very high or excellent. In fact, they have truly delved deep into a certain application such as the programming of Stable Diffusion and the rise of Claude is actually an application. Its application is a coding application. It has made the coding application good enough rather than just providing an API for you to consult, but its agent has been well developed including OpenCloud that emerged at the beginning of this year, we have also developed products like EasyClaw. So I think there is still a large room and opportunities in the application layer. Well, thank you.