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Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 19, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Clearwater Paper Corporation's First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, April 19, 2018. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Robin Yim, Vice President, Investor Relations of Clearwater Paper. Please go ahead.

Robin Yim

Management

Thank you, Cheri. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining Clearwater Paper's First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me on the call today are Linda Massman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and John Hertz, Chief Financial Officer. Financial results for the first quarter were released shortly after today's market close. You will find the presentation of supplemental information, including an updated outlook slide, providing the company's current expectation and estimate as to certain costs, product pricing, mix, shipment production and other factors for the second quarter of 2018 posted on the Investor Relations page of our website at clearwaterpaper.com. Additionally, we will be providing certain non-GAAP information in this afternoon's discussion. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP information to comparable GAAP information is included in the press release or in the supplemental material provided on our website. I would like to remind you that this presentation contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, estimates, assumptions and projections that are subject to change, and actual results may differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially include those risks and uncertainties described from time to time in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2017. Any forward-looking statements are made only as of today's date, and the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement based on new developments or changes in the company's expectations. John Hertz will begin today's call with a review of the financial results for the first quarter. And Linda Massman will provide an overview of the business environment and our outlook for the second quarter of 2018, and then we'll open up the call for the question-and-answer session. Now I'll turn the call over to John.

John Hertz

Management

Thank you, Robin. Q1 of 2018 was a challenging quarter. While tissue shipment volumes were strong, the challenging industry conditions have resulted in pricing pressure and higher input cost related to transportation in pulp and wood fiber. As a result, with the exception of revenues, we came in below the low end of our Q4 outlook ranges. Before I get into our first quarter 2018 results, I'd like to preface my comments by stating that throughout the rest of my remarks, I will be distinguishing between GAAP and non-GAAP or adjusted results. The adjusted results exclude certain charges and benefits that we believe are not indicative of our core operating performance. The reconciliation from GAAP to adjusted results is provided in our press release and supplemental materials posted on our website. For the first quarter of 2018, both adjusted EBITDA items netted to $4 million of pretax expense and includes $5 million in reorganization-related charges associated with the previously announced SG&A cost-saving measures, partially offset by a benefit of $1 million from the mark-to-market adjustments to our outstanding directors' common stock units. For adjusted net income, the items netted to $3 million aftertax, which includes $4 million in the previously mentioned reorganization-related charges, offset by $1 million in benefits from the mark-to-market adjustment and the impact of a state tax rate reduction. So with that, let's get to our results. Our first quarter net sales came in at $437 million, slightly up versus the fourth quarter. That was well above the outlook range of down 2% to 3%. Strong top line growth resulted from a nearly 5% increase in tissue case shipment volumes, which was partially offset by expected lower paperboard shipments coming off of an unseasonably strong fourth quarter. Tissue pricing was a headwind due to pricing pressures primarily…

Linda Massman

Management

Thank you, John. Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. As John stated, Q1 was a challenging quarter, and we delivered mixed results in the quarter. However, we are confident in our long-term position in the marketplace due to strong demand for our products and our focus on generating strong cash flow. Now we'll talk about specifics. The first quarter was a mix of better-than-expected tissue shipment volumes due in part to solid demand and increased retailer promotional activity, which was more than offset by the very challenging industry-wide economic conditions in retail tissue, including tissue pricing pressure in the non-ultra-categories and higher input costs, all of which resulted in lower-than-expected EBITDA. As John stated, we are sold out of ultra-quality tissue. And until the new ultra-capacity at Shelby comes online, our ability to continue to enrich our product mix to offset pricing pressure in non-ultra-segments will be limited. So while tissue is under pressure, remember that our Paperboard division, which is roughly half of our business, is currently operating in stable-to-good market conditions. Paperboard demand remains stable, and our backlogs were up from the fourth quarter and in line with industry trends. Our backlogs are tracking to similar levels as this time last year. In addition, we continue to realize the benefits we expected from the acquisition of Manchester. However, input cost pressures are also affecting Paperboard as prices for wood fiber have increased due to high demand. Despite the margin pressure and market challenges in the quarter, I was pleased with our ability to generate $30 million in cash flow from operations or 6.8% of revenues. As we have continued -- as we have faced continued competitive pressures and increased raw material cost, we previously announced actions to further reduce costs, which include, first, our operating model…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Adam Josephson from KeyBanc.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Linda, just one quick thing on those 4 key variables. You left out the maintenance, obviously. Maintenance is going to be down by about $25 million or $30 million this year, is that right?

John Hertz

Management

$30 million, Adam.

Linda Massman

Management

Yes.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

$30 million. And are there any other big buckets -- I know that you had talked about it now, but are there any other big buckets besides those 5 that we ought to be cognizant of?

John Hertz

Management

No, I think we thought about which ones we wanted to talk about, so let's leave it at that.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Okay. Linda, I've asked you this on several recent calls, just about tissue. Industry conditions remain extremely challenging for you and your competitors. You talked about you expect your pricing to be down this year, you have significant cost inflation. Your margins have been heading in the wrong direction for a while now and yet, obviously, you're investing $340 million in this business. What -- why do you remain confident that you'll get a good payback on this investment given these seemingly exceedingly challenging conditions not only now but you talked about the capacity that's coming on over the next 3 years that's rather substantial? So it's not clear to me why industry conditions would improve at all over the next 2 to 3 years, perhaps you're thinking differently.

Linda Massman

Management

Yes. So Adam, thanks for that question. It might be a little bit of a long-winded answer here, so bear with me. Let's just take a step back and widen the lens just a bit. I think everybody would agree that the broader paper industry has a long history of being cyclical. The tissue sector of this industry is no different. So we're currently facing economic headwinds in tissue. But as I said in my prepared remarks, the Paperboard business, which is roughly half of our business, is operating in stable-to-good market conditions. So that's great. We want to just remind everybody of that. We're also confident that our leading market positions in both private label at-home tissue and SBS packaging, combined with all the actions we're taking to focus on driving out cost and improving efficiencies, are going to help us achieve the priority that we're very focused on which is generating strong cash flow and improving our ROIC. Now when we look at operating in a cyclical industry, it's just that, cycles. It comes and goes with regard to different economic cycles. We believe it's important that we make good strategic decisions throughout the cycles and consistently create value that our customers and, ultimately, our shareholders will benefit from. Now if I go back and answer specifically on Shelby and why we believe that makes sense, we absolutely believe our Shelby project makes strategic sense. And just as a reminder, I know you know this, but in case others on the phone don't know it, we've been a leader in the private label tissue business for well over a decade. And it's because we partner with the best, the very best retailers, to bring high-quality products that consumers value. So we talked a little bit about the ultra-tissue…

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Sure. John, just a couple on balance sheet and cash flow items. So your leverage was 4.1x at quarter-end. Based on your 2Q guidance, it looks like it'll be -- I don't know what your cash burn will be in 2Q, but your leverage would presumably go up a bit sequentially, maybe up to 4.2x or so. I know you recently were losing your covenants. So you're at -- I think your maximum leverage is 4.5x this year and 4.25x next year. Based on what you outlined here today, what do you expect your leverage ratio to head to later this year? Do you think it'll be above 4.2x or stay around that 4.2x level? And given next year you're going to have $30 million of higher maintenance expense and the covenants are stepping down by 1/4 of a turn, so how concerned -- and you're going to be burning cash this year given Shelby, so how concerned are you about your ability to stay below your covenants next year, let alone later this year?

John Hertz

Management

Sure. And I guess after our results this quarter and our outlook for next quarter, it's a little tighter than I -- if you would ask me that question a few months ago. But I would say, we're going to be in the 4.2 to 4.3x range, probably peaking out in the third quarter. I think even in a downside EBITDA kind of scenario, we do have enough tools in our toolshed, so to speak, between managing timing of CapEx and some other working capital knobs that we feel comfortable that we won't find ourselves in a breach kind of situation. Other part of your question, as you look out into 2019, now one thing you'll see is that CapEx will begin to drop off in the fourth quarter this year as it relates to Shelby and then finish in the first quarter. So that far outshadows what we're spending -- we'd spend on, on the maintenance outages. So we feel that we'll very quickly, in the first quarter, begin to start paying down on the line of credit, and that will become less and less of an issue as we move through '19.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

If you do have -- you're going to have a $30 million EBITDA headwind next year, right, all else equal from higher maintenance, right? So your -- it's going to be -- even if you generate cash next year, you'll have that challenge to deal with, right?

John Hertz

Management

Correct.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

And just from a -- your CapEx expectations for next year, what again, John? Sorry, I missed that.

John Hertz

Management

Adam, we haven't necessarily given that for next year. What I would say is, in a normal year, we spend about $75 million, and we'll have about a $20 million to $30 million lap over from Shelby, so what's that now is $95 million to $100 million.

Linda Massman

Management

Some flexibility.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Okay, got it. And just last one on the consultant you hired. What, if anything, has that -- what have you learned from that consultant? Or what are you doing different as a result?

John Hertz

Management

Well, it was an SG&A-focused exercise. We're done with the consultant as it relates to that. We've developed our plan that we're going to be executing over the next year, but we made changes around organizational structure that they worked with us. We made changes around headcount and changes around how we do our work so we can reduce headcount. And so it was kind of all of those things that they helped us with.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Just maybe to start with Consumer Products, it seems like every call, or between calls, we get another a couple of tissue capacity additions announced. I like that the way the trends are going are more ultra product, but it seems like all the capacity additions are falling in that category as well. You cited in the quarter the pricing pressure on the non-ultra categories, maybe you could give us an indication of what percentage of your tissue is non-ultra, and then -- pre-Shelby 2 and then post Shelby 2?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, so we've got 400,000 tons of capacity, and 100,000 tons are currently ultra, so we'll add another 70,000 tons with Shelby.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. And you cited higher promotional spending in the quarter. Just trying to understand what that promotional spending is related to private label, I thought that wasn't an expense that you'd necessarily see.

John Hertz

Management

Yes, I mean it can go both ways in terms of sometimes it's the retailer that funds it, and sometimes it's us. So that's kind of a negotiation.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. So it's not only you're seeing lower pricing on non-premium grades, but now it looks like there's a trend to more promotional spending by you with your partners?

Linda Massman

Management

Paul, that's some of it, but most of what that promotional spend resulted in was increased volumes for us. So we ended up having to move product around to support those promotions in the quarter, which is right, I mean we want to have that strong demand, especially leading into this capacity that we're putting in, and so we just had to take care of that increased demand.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. And then we've seen rising pulp prices for about 1.5 years. And typically, we would see some pushback by the tissue industry in terms of a price increase or desheeting. Why isn't that going on right now? Is that because of the changing customer mix right now?

Linda Massman

Management

Yes, so we are seeing some desheeting across the market, and we'll look at that as well. And then we announced, as I said, Paul, a price increase that we'll implement across certain segments and certain customers.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Anybody joined you on the price increase?

Linda Massman

Management

I don't know.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. And then just maybe switching over to paperboard. You said that there's no price increase in the quarter-over-quarter, although unless prices were up $30 in March, maybe you can just help us with understanding the lag there and what your expectation is on the remaining $20 of the price hike.

John Hertz

Management

Yes, I guess the lag could be anywhere from about 30 days, depending on the nature of our relationship with the customer from once it gets recognized by RISI Price Watch, to contractual ones where they could be reset every 6 months or every year.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. So given the mix of your contracts, what should we expect in terms of that lag? Is that a one-quarter lag? Is that a 2-quarter lag? What -- can you help us out with that?

John Hertz

Management

I think full implementation across everything, I'd say, two. That might be a little conservative, but I'd say two.

Paul Quinn

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. And then just in respect to -- just lastly, in respect to the digester at Lewiston and the ramp-up, which seems to be a little bit slower than you expected, what are the main issues in terms of starting that up? It's a new piece of machine, I would have thought it would have been -- and it's not anything state-of-the-art. I mean, it's probably a state-of-the-art digester but it's not a new piece of equipment and lots of people started this up. What are the issues associated with it?

Linda Massman

Management

Yes, so just as a reminder, we did start the digester up under budget, on time, so that was great. We actually had expected an accelerated start-up curve. We're now on a more normal start-up curve I would say. And obviously, we're disappointed that we weren't able to bend that curve a little bit to our advantage, but we are confident we'll get the savings that we're expecting from the project. Right now, our big focus is on process stability. And while it seems like a simple piece of technology, I would just say there's a lot of different variables that go into making this work, and the start-up, getting ramped up and on curve, and we're raking through them carefully and methodically to make sure that we get those benefits delivered by the end of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Chercover with Davidson.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Some of my questions have actually already been answered. But does the pulp/wood guidance include the benefits from the digester?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, it does.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Okay. So if I look at the four items that you articulated and take the midpoint, and then add back the $30 million less maintenance, it looks like we're -- kind of net-net, we should be down EBITDA around $15 million year-over-year. Is that an easy way to think about it?

John Hertz

Management

I think if you took the midpoint of all that stuff and did your math, you're probably about right.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

So that gets us to around $165 million for the full year, which means you don't really expect to see things get much better in the second half. Is that fair to say?

John Hertz

Management

So you added $30 million for maintenance?

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Yes, I mean, so minus 40 and then the paper benefit and transportation impact are about a wash, you got...

John Hertz

Management

You're taking the high end of the tissue pricing.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

It's minus 40, so what's the lower end?

John Hertz

Management

Well, the range was $25 million to $40 million.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

$25 million to $40 million, okay. So -- all right. So we got a fighting chance of being in the same zip code as last year but it's tough. So I mean if I -- let's just say it is 170 or 175, whatever you want it, 175, 4.5, 787. So I guess, what we got to do here is figure out the trailing 12 months and just not focus on just the year for the covenant.

John Hertz

Management

Yes, I mean, Linda talked in her comments about a lot of effort on the operating model, and we should start seeing some of the fruits of that labor in Q3 and Q4. But that's -- I mean, that's a variable as to how much we get from that, the digester, whether we get an earlier or more of the benefit than we thought. So I mean, those are the kind of different things that would vary, I guess, where we do end up in this year. But that also then set us up for -- to be in a stronger position from a cost perspective as we go into 2019.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

And I'm not trying to sound negative, but considering that things haven't really bounced your way, you haven't had a lot of good breaks in the last little while, if things -- if you don't get a good break, how onerous is it to -- if you breach the covenants, what does that entail?

John Hertz

Management

Well, I mean, we've got a very strong relationship with the banks that are in the syndicate. And my expectation would be that getting a waiver would not be, I guess, using your words, onerous.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

All right. And calling pulp prices in the last year has been a losing proposition, but is there any consideration that, I guess, your counterparts, even the big guys who aren't integrated, might stop eating these price increases and start passing them on to the consumer or that's just -- fat chance on that?

Linda Massman

Management

I don't think we're going to try to speculate on that. But I will tell you, we're happy we invested in the digester and are a little bit less reliant on external pulp market. So as soon as we can get that curve up and running and on target, we'll be very happy around here.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Now I think you said that your headcount's down year-over-year, is that correct?

Linda Massman

Management

Headcount's down year-over-year, is that correct?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, we said it was down versus end of Q4 '17.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Okay. So I think I saw in the local paper, either Spokane or Lewiston paper, that they were somewhere in the vicinity of 100 headcount scheduled to be eliminated, is that right? Or was it more than that?

John Hertz

Management

No, that's correct. That's in Lewiston. And that has yet -- that has not happened yet.

Linda Massman

Management

And Steve, that's really the operating model work that we're currently working on. And of course, we take those kind of situations very seriously about our employee base. And this is more a function of what our customer demand is, where we have production and really trying to line out our network to most cost-effectively serve the customers. And in this particular case, that has a negative impact on our Lewiston employees. And we had previously mentioned that, and that's yet to happen.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

Okay. And last question, I mean, obviously, you're doing your best to mitigate the impact of freight, but I mean -- you also said that Shelby was going to diminish your logistical challenges. But how does doubling down in one jurisdiction in terms of capacity lower your logistics?

Linda Massman

Management

Yes, so as we look at the operating model work, assuming the new Shelby capacity, we're really going to be looking at how we can try to keep paper in a very regional way and really try to minimize those long hauls halfway across the country or even sometimes all the way across the country to a very bare minimum, especially given the current outlook on transportation. So we can do that because we have this mix of product production across the country. From the west, we have both ultra and conventional. And now in the east, when we start up the second Shelby machine, we will also have the capability to run ultra and conventional in the east. So this will really allow us to try to optimize on a more regional basis where we're producing product and shipping it to.

Steven Chercover

Analyst · Davidson.

So this will be my last question. Is the current Shelby through-air-dried machine doing premium as opposed to ultra?

Linda Massman

Management

No.

John Hertz

Management

Ultra.

Linda Massman

Management

We make ultra on that machine.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chip Dillon with Vertical Research.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

First question is the 10-K seems to suggest that your capacity to make your own pulp is like 50,000 tons a year higher. And I'm betting a lot of that, in fact, looking -- because you do it by mill, is Lewiston. Does it seem like that's unrealistic? Because it seemed like, to us, that you would be able to substantially reduce your pulp purchases this year and that would maybe swing your pulp and fiber costs actually to a positive. Even though we know there are cost increases there for wood fiber, it would seem like you'd be buying a whole lot less pulp. But could you just update us on sort of how much in your forecast you assume you have to buy this year versus last year in terms of market pulp?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, so we're going to be creating extra incremental for 50,000 tons of pulp in Lewiston with the continuous digester, which we expect it to be realizing as we sit here today. As Linda talked about the start-up curve, it's, I guess, kind of more normal than accelerated, so we are not realizing that. So I would think rather than realizing the full 50,000, we'll probably realize half of that.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay. So then next year, if everything goes to plan, you'll get the other 25,000?

John Hertz

Management

Correct.

Linda Massman

Management

Yes.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

And if we assume that lowers your cost, I'm just going to throw a number out there, by 200,000 tons -- sorry, $200 a ton, that -- I guess, that would be about a $5 million benefit. But you've mentioned earlier about the -- about not having a covenant issue next year. And we know you have, what, $25 million, $30 million higher maintenance. We can see that $5 million of that's offset by perhaps better pulp purchases, maybe that delta is even bigger. But what else do you think will happen besides the digester benefits next year to help you -- obviously, you have the full year of the bleached board pricing, assuming that sticks.

John Hertz

Management

Well, yes. So when I was talking to Steve, I mean we're doing a lot of work around our operating model that we expect to see those benefits start to materialize in the P&L at the end of this year, and so we would see that flow through into next year. We announced the price increase, and we'll see whether that has a benefit next year.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay. And then last question, you mentioned, I think, $10 million to $20 million of benefits this year from the bleached board pricing, does that assume the full $50 million takes effect at this month? And how -- I know you're not particularly integrated, you do some sheeting, I guess, but when you think -- how much of that price do you have in that forecast? And when does it become effective?

John Hertz

Management

Yes. So it's not effective day 1, it will become effective as we work through the year. I think we said earlier that we would expect to see the full impact take about 2 quarters, and it is reflected in the data point we gave about SBS pricing.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay. And then last point, just an update on the price -- sorry, the CapEx as you look at next year, and maybe I think you said it would start to slow down after the third quarter. I didn't see much of a net debt change this past quarter, so I imagine, I think you said 290 for this year, is that going to be super heavy in the second, third, and then it starts to come down? Or how should we see that progression? And then what does next year look like at this point?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, I would see it probably peaking in the third quarter and start to come down in the fourth as it relates to Shelby. As it relates to next year, and we haven't given CapEx guidance for 2019, but I'll tell you what is out there is, typically, we spend about, in a normal year, when we're not a doing a strategic project, $75 million. And then there's going to be $20 million to $30 million of Shelby spend that laps into Q1. So you add all that up, and it gets you to like a $95 million to $105 million number.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Got you, okay. And last question, in bleached board, you have, obviously, a couple of facilities where you make this. One is sort of standalone. Any thought as to how strategic that facility is? Is that something that, given the tight skating on the thin ice, I guess you'd say in terms of the covenants, would that -- if a reasonable offer came across the table for just a part of your bleached board business, is that something you think you would be minimal to, to at least evaluating and maybe more so than you would have been in the past?

John Hertz

Management

Yes, I doubt we would just sell one of the SBS mills because then we'd be just a really small player left in that market. So we don't really want to kind of orphan the mill like that. So just selling Arkansas is probably not something that would be on the top of our list.

Clyde Dillon

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay, got you. And then last question is as we think about your tissue business, you talked about the ultra-premium, there have been some similar machines that have started up to what Shelby is and Vegas is. Are those machines really -- and I'm not asking you to name names, but just because we see -- I'll ask it this way, if we see a machine that has roughly the same branding as to -- in terms of what you're putting up, are you seeing that capacity in the marketplace, in the high-end areas that you focus on? And even with that, is the market tight? Or is it just that maybe others aren't able to make quite the quality that you all are and, therefore, you're not seeing as much competition as one might think just looking at the pace of capacity?

Linda Massman

Management

So I'll leave it at this. So with regard to the other technology, there's a lot of variation in height and structure of the machine and how you run it and the kind of quality you're bringing off the machine. I think we do a pretty good job of that. We are seeing much more pressure in the non-ultra part of the market. The ultra capacity is very tight, very difficult to make high-quality ultra tissue.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Roger Spitz with Bank of America.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Bank of America.

This is Bill [ph] on for Roger. When do you guys see liquidity troughing? And do you expect to tap the revolver's accordion to each hurdle?

John Hertz

Management

We'd probably see liquidity troughing in the third quarter between cash on the balance sheet and operating cash flow. We don't feel like we'll need to tap to accordion. We do have kind of a readily available capacity to term out some of the revolver. And if we do that, that would create capacity on the revolver, and we probably would do that before the accordion.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Dan Jacome with Sidoti.

Daniel Jacome

Analyst

Just one question, what's your market share of U.S. private label tissue? Sorry if I missed it earlier, I know you usually break that in the prepared remarks.

John Hertz

Management

We're about 1/3 just looking at private label by itself.

Daniel Jacome

Analyst

33?

John Hertz

Management

Yes.

Daniel Jacome

Analyst

Okay, so it's up from the last quarter. That's a little surprising given your capacity constraints on the ultra-side. What's driving that steady quarter-to-quarter?

John Hertz

Management

I just said it's about 1/3.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our question-and-answer session. At this time, I will turn the call over to Ms. Massman for any closing or additional remarks.

Linda Massman

Management

Good. Thank you for joining us today and for your continued interest in Clearwater Paper. We appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the Clearwater Paper Corporation First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. We do appreciate your participation. You may all disconnect, and have a wonderful day.