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ClearSign Technologies Corporation (CLIR)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, May 23, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the ClearSign Combustion First Quarter 2018 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lou Basenese, Vice President of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Louis Basenese

Analyst

Thank you, Austin, and welcome everyone to the ClearSign Combustion Corporation's first quarter 2018 results conference call. During this conference call, the Company will make forward-looking statements. We caution you that any statement that is not a statement of historical fact is a forward-looking statement. This includes remarks about the Company's projections, expectations, plans, beliefs and prospects. These statements are based on judgments and analysis as of the date of this conference call and are subject to numerous important risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. The risks and uncertainties associated with the forward-looking statements made in this conference call include, but are not limited to whether field testing and sales of ClearSign's products will be successfully completed, whether ClearSign will be successful in expanding the market for it's products, and other risks that are described in ClearSign's public periodic filings with the SEC, including the discussion in the Risk Factor section of the 2017 Annual Report on Form 10-K. Investors or potential investors should read these risks. ClearSign assumes no responsibility to update these forward-looking statements to reflect future events or actual outcomes and does not intend to do so. On the call with me today are Steve Pirnat, ClearSign's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Fike, ClearSign's Chief Financial Officer. With that, now I'd like to turn the call over to Brian Fike. Please go ahead, Brian.

Brian Fike

Analyst

Thank you, Lou, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Before I turn the call over to Steve, I'll review our results for the first quarter of 2018 as they were reported on our recent Form 10-Q. For the quarter, we incurred a loss of $2.3 million, compared to a loss of $2.4 million for the first quarter of 2017. Our sales increased 47% to $530,000, compared with $360,000 in the first quarter of 2017, most of the revenue during the quarter related to an enclosed ground flare project and Once Through Steam Generator project that we had in the backlog we reported at the end of the fiscal year just completed. Gross margin was 25% of sales compared to 30% in the first quarter of 2017. Our expectation is that our gross margins will normalize for approximately 50% as we increased the number and consistency of duplex installations. As most of you know, we completed a stock offering on February 27 wherein we sold 5,750,000 shares at $2.25 per share, raising net proceeds of approximately $11.9 million. We ended the quarter with approximately $11.2 million in cash and remained debt-free. We continue to monitor our cash outflows and working on alternative funding methods that could include strategic partnerships and/or modifications to the existing warrant structure. With that, I would like to turn the remainder of the call over to Steve. Please go ahead, Steve.

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

Thank you, Brian, for that financial update. And I would like to thank and welcome participants on today's call. Today, we intend to review our progress during the first quarter of 2018, as well as share our insight into the future activities for 2018 and beyond. As you know, emissions controls is a massive, urgent and global need; and we believe ClearSign is uniquely positioned, thanks to our expanding portfolio of products to provide solutions, not only at a low cost but also with potential for attractive payback by improving efficiencies, reducing maintenance requirements and eliminating costly air population fines. Accordingly, we remain focused on three key initiatives to capitalize on our multi-billion dollar market opportunity for shareholders. The first is accelerating penetration into existing markets where we've already demonstrated best-in-class emissions controls performance with our patented and proven Duplex technology. The second is expanding into new international markets including most notably China, as well as Europe and the Middle East. And the third is faithfully investing in technology development to protect and enhance the Company's competitive advantage, as well as enable expansion into new markets. During the first quarter we continue to make progress on all three fronts which I would like to review at this time. We recently completed the final phase of $1.1 million flare projects. This project successfully retrofitted Duplex technology into enclosed ground flares for a major California oil producer and reduced emissions by 90% versus the existing controlled technology. Because of this significant improvements, we believe this multi-unit project created an entire new vertical for the industry which we believe ClearSign is ideally positioned to dominate overtime. Near-term, we anticipate our initial customer will have additional needs on a retrofit and a newbuild basis, thanks to the recent increases in production. At the same…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Michael Bersek [ph] with National Securities. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm relatively new to the story since the secondary offering; it seems like you've got a whole bunch of stuff happening and I'm a little concerned that it may -- maybe you're stretching yourself too thin, something I sort of -- I don't know, it seems like perhaps -- it's getting wider instead of moving forward a little faster, let's say. Am I getting it wrong?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

I think your observation is correct and it's getting wider. The pace at which it moves forward is really more determined by the customer, their budget cycles, the availability to access assets and things that are somewhat outside of our control. So I think it's not a question of us in terms of accelerating the adoption, I don't know that it's necessarily things that we should refocus on as much as it is -- the gestation period it's going to take certain customers to install and operate the equipment. And the Delek example is the perfect example, we put these product in, they were very happy with how it worked, they came back to us and said, we'd like to buy a lot more; we said, okay, we can make it work. When would you like us to ship and then, when can you install them. And they said, well, it's going to take us a while to get a budget and get a schedule and get a crew. So those kinds of things don't consume our resources, so we're not burning any calories there but it's a little frustrating for all of us but it takes more time than we would prefer. I don't know if that answered the question?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I guess it does a little in the sense that I was sort of starting to concern that you're going to burn through this money pretty quickly, and then we -- without seeing the big cash flow increases coming in the market, obviously punishes stocks like that. But if you're saying a lot of that is not burning up a lot of your money then that's sort of fine. What is your burn rate for a quarter?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

It's roughly $2.1 million to $2 million a quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

You don't have any sort of revenue guidance for the next quarter at all, any sense even?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

Do we have a sense, yes, but we don't provide any guidance.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Finally, the China thing; I was a little surprised that they went really well, actually now I'm not. I withdraw that question. Thank you very much. I appreciate the answers.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jim [ph] with CEA Inc. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm curious of how the study that was performed by your outside consultant showing the installation, comparing the installation operating and capital cost for flares technology is superior overall the existing installations? And could you comment on what the results have been for you pursuing that with the existing operations that are using the automated [ph] technology that -- whereas yours would cost significantly less to operate and easy to install online without them shutting down?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

I think you're referring to -- just for the rest of the people on the call, you're referring to the study in Whitepaper that was done by Nordan [ph] Engineering on the relative costs of SCRs versus ClearSign Duplex. And Nordan [ph] Engineering was actually also hired by the regulators to do a similar study for them; so what the study says is there is a dramatic -- underline the word dramatic savings in our technology versus SCRs which is really not disputed by anybody. The intuitive understanding of what it takes to install a selective catalytic reduction system as opposed to just replacing a burner is pretty simple to relate to. So the question becomes, you know, we don't feel that when a customer is faced with a choice between SCRs and our technology that 99% of the time the customer picks our technology.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

What about replacing those because I know some operations that are actually been fined for poor operation violations. Furthermore, they are always up against their limits often and installing your technology would allow them to increase someplace else and these things will -- so why aren't they doing it?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

You have hit an interesting and important point; there is an economic argument for replacing SCRs, we've made the point to the regulators that while the -- and just to kind of some clarity, the SCRs are permitted at a relatively low emissions level, very similar to what we can do but the SCR also has a reagent called anhydrous ammonia which provides about 8 ppm of anhydrous ammonia slipped into the air. So in terms of pure emissions, our technology is a better solution, independent of the cost. The fact that it costs a lot less is just an extra advantage. I don't know why I think -- you also make a good point that a recent survey has shown that the SCRs even though originally they were showing that they could produce 2 ppm of NOx, that in general, there -- because of the natural operations of SCRs, they don't come anywhere close to that overtime that there is an argument to be made for removing them and putting in our technology, there is also an argument to be made for reducing the cost of an SCR by putting in our technology and then you reduce the consumption of the catalyst required because you're removing less NOx from the air because we're taking it out, we're not creating in the first place. So you know, I have a bunch of different theories; I think eventually economics will catch up with us, meaning people will look at the huge savings and that will fall to our advantage. In the short-term, why people aren't doing exactly what you say or what we said is befuddling to me because it's so obvious, it's difficult to understand where we've seen greater progress with our technology is places -- and Southern California is a perfect example, here the regulators themselves, independently determined that our technology is so obviously advantageous that they are willing to fund a project to act as an ice-breaker for the refinery to try it so they can see how much money they can save.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I used to be in that business for a client [indiscernible] on combustion control systems, and we used reps. And you don't have to go to China to sell this stuff, you need to have a story, I mean it would be great if you could sell to China. It reminds me of that movie, Oil for the Lamps of China that -- Brian was in 1930 or something. Oil for the Lamps of China are nuclear in China but here you've got something right here that you could sell through a rep organization, not in -- and it appears that you put together that you can't -- you just have to read that report and read your other information; you've already cited all the good reasons why they should replace it, who has been contacting them and why aren't they. Do you have any sales efforts in that area? Can you use reps or another way to do it? Just target it. I'd like to know what you're doing about it? [Indiscernible].

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

We have reps in California.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, why it isn't getting them to solve?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

Well, there is as many answers to that question is there are clients. Are you on an investor call or are you interviewing for a rep job because it sounds like you would be a good rep.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I've got a lot of experience in that and I'm a significant shareholder in your Company, and we can discuss that -- how I can help you in doing that offline.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from [indiscernible]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm trying to understand why in China your technical people did not look at the installation and realize there were going to be issues which might take much longer to be resolved once this started -- when you first announced it -- myself and a number of other investors thought that this installation would be in place and operating during the heating season which ended. It would seem as if the issue is related to the equipment in place, someone should be able to look at it and say, this needs modification and either maybe we should start on a different installed unit or we should have make it clear to everybody this is going to take some meaningful modifications.

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

I'll just give you the simple answer. I guess the customer himself has hundreds of these burners, so it wasn't like there was another simpler burner to fix; the burners that represent the vast majority of this inventory for which he was interested in retrofitting was this particular design, and that -- since we didn't have access to any of the design data and we weren't able -- the customer wasn't going to allow us to take a part and measure the kind -- and get the kind of information initially that we would need to resolve all the unknowns. It wasn't that we didn't realize it was going to be complicated but until we finally took the burner report and started taking measurements which we have done already now. At that time, we didn't know what we didn't know regarding the internal workings of this particular burner. Now, we have done a similar thing with another competitive burner from my former company and we're in the same position; we'd actually asked them for information on the burner, they rightfully so said forget it, why would we ever help you. In that particular case, we were able to quickly talk to customer who by the way was Era [ph] and letting us take the burner apart, get information that we needed to modify the burner. In the case of China, for a bunch of administrative and regulatory reasons that process took several months to do and it wasn't like we could just go in there, take the thing apart, measure anything we wanted, have our way with it and get it to run. And the reason that we were willing to take the risk is, it was something that the customer wanted us to try. We didn't have the opportunity.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

But now that you're off-season, there is no timing issue to figure out what needs to be done and hopefully, put it in place before the coming heating season?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

That's our view, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And just one other question which sort of ties into my first question about why they are not deeper as in my mind. Have you actually signed any straight commercial installation contracts this year?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

I'd say no.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jack Myer [ph], a private investor. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

You spoke about a burn rate of 2 to 2.1 per quarter. You have some runway with the cash you have but not an incredible amount. Based on how you think or see things at this point, where do you see that burn rate starting to come down so that there is a bit more runway?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

I think there is two fundamental issues. One is, of course, getting orders to reduce the burn rate because you've got revenue, that's the preferred path.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That's the most critical certainly?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

Yes, it's the most understandable, of course. As we said in the prepared remarks, we have other options that we look at in terms of funding from perhaps looking a little bit at the outstanding warrants to strategic investors from people in China to upfront royalty fees should somebody want to go license the technology. So we have other funding options aside from the most obvious which is increased sales and get revenue from the sales.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So if we focus on the revenue side, as opposed to other kinds of funding, when do you see revenue based on how you see the lay of the land? When do you see revenues beginning to kick-in at a level where the burn rate will drop because of that?

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

We haven't made any representation on the timing of that.

Operator

Operator

And this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back to Steve Pirnat for any closing remarks. Mr. Pirnat, you may go ahead with your closing remarks.

Stephen Pirnat

Analyst

Thank you. I'd like to thank everyone for their time and continued support. As I said earlier, we're confident in our path to achieving broader commercial adoption of our technology and have multiple prospects in the pipeline for meaningful revenues. To that end, we look forward to communicating additional successes in the coming weeks and months. Thank you, everybody.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.