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Celldex Therapeutics, Inc. (CLDX)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 24, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Celldex Therapeutics 2014 Year End Financial Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Ms. Sarah Cavanaugh. Ma'am, you may begin.

Sarah Cavanaugh

Analyst

Good morning Thank you. Before we begin our discussion, I would like to direct your attention to Slide 2 and mention that today’s speakers will be making forward-looking statements. Such statements reflect our current views with respect to future events and are based on assumptions and subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Certain of the factors that might cause Celldex’s actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements include those set forth under the headings Risk Factors and Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations in Celldex’s Annual Report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, and its current reports on Form 8-K, as well as those described in Celldex’s other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and its press releases. All forward-looking statements are expressly qualified in their entirety by this cautionary notice. You should carefully review all of these factors and be aware that there may be other factors that could cause these differences. These forward-looking statements are based on information, plans and estimates as of this call, and Celldex does not promise to update any forward-looking statements to reflect changes in underlying assumptions or factors, new information, future events or other changes. Please be advised the question-and-answer period will be held at the close of the call. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Anthony Marucci, Co-Founder, President and CEO of Celldex. Anthony?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Thank you, Sarah. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Joining me are Dr. Tom Davis, Executive Vice President and Chief Medical Officer; and Dr. Tibor Keler, Co-Founder, Executive Vice President and Chief Scientific Officer and Chip Catlin, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. On our call this morning, we will walk you through several recent accomplishments, provide you an update of our clinical programs, review financial results for the fourth quarter and the year 2014, and then outline key objectives for remaining of 2015. As always at the close of have prepared remarks, we will look forward to answering your questions. First on slide three, 2014 was another significant year for Celldex. We have made tremendous progress, especially with rindopepimut, which is we announced yesterday has been issued Breakthrough designation by the FDA for adult patients with EGFRvIII-positive glioblastoma. To our knowledge, rindo is the only candidate in glioblastoma to receive Breakthrough status, a disease that desperately needs new treatment options. Tom will discuss this in more detail about the overall clinical program in a few minutes, but I would like to pause here and really take a moment to highlight the great strides this program has made over the last 12 months. In December, we completed enrollment to our Phase 3 study in frontline GBM, ACT IV study. In total, we screened over 4,800 patients for EGFRvIII-status for more than 200 clinical sites across 22 countries and rolling 745 patients. Importantly, and consistent with prior studies, 30% of all samples screened were positive EGFRvIII-mutation. This is the most comprehensive study conducted by a biotech company in this orphan indication to-date and by far the largest trial ever conducted in the subset of EGFRvIII-patients with more aggressive disease. I am extremely proud of our team for…

Tom Davis

Analyst

Thanks, Anthony. First, I want to echo Anthony's comments regarding ACT IV. The study was a major undertaking, especially in a subset population within an orphan disease. To execute study of this size and scope with the level of quality that is built into it is impressive. We believe this accomplishment is a reflection of the positive view physicians have about rindo, both from a safety and potential efficacy perspective. The ACT IV study was designed to confirm our experience with Rintega in three prior Phase 2 studies. In those non-randomized studies, we identified a clinically significant survival benefit, including long-term survival of up to six months in patients with minimal residual disease or small tumor burden after surgery. That said, we have sized the ACT IV to detect a more modest, but still clinically meaningful survival benefit, reflecting approximately three months. We are confident that given the scope and scientific rigor applied to ACT IV, that we have positioned Rintega as best we can for success in this study. In total as you outlined in Slide 7, 745 patients were enrolled in to ACT IV to ensure reaching the required 374 patients with minimal residual disease as assessed by central review. These 374 patients with minimal residual disease are the 374 patient population needed for the primary assessment of overall survival. All patients, including patients with disease that exceeded this threshold will be included in a secondary analysis of overall survival, as well as analysis of progression free survival, safety and tolerability and quality of life. Our recent experience with patients with bulky disease in the ReACT study give us great confidence in with potential might for an effect in this broader group of patients with more expensive tumor burden. As per data readouts for ACT IV, this survival…

Chip Catlin

Analyst

Thank you, Tom. I am now on Slide 17. For the fourth quarter net loss was $31.8 million or $0.36 per share for the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to a net loss of $22.1 million or $0.27 per share for the fourth quarter of 2013. Net loss for the 12 months ending December 31, 2014 was $118.1 million or $1.32 per share compared to $81.6 million for the comparable periods in 2013. Research and development expenses were $27 million in the fourth quarter of 2014 compared to $17.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2013. R&D expenses were $104.4 million for the 12 months ending December 31, 2014 compared to $67.4 million for the comparable periods in 2013. The increase in Celldex's R&D investment was primarily due to the continued progression of our late stage clinical development programs Rintega and glemba and a continued expansion of our varli program. During the 12 months ended December 31, 2014 and 2013, we incurred $45.6 million and $32.3 million in clinical trials expense and $20.9 million and $6.6 million in contract manufacturing expense, respectively. At December 31, 2014, we reported cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of $201 million compared to $224.1 million as of September 30th. The decrease was primarily driven by our fourth quarter net cash burn of $23.1 million. We expect that cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities will be sufficient to fund operating expenses and capital expenditure requirements through 2016. However, this could be impacted our clinical data results from the Rintega program and their potential impact on our pace of commercial manufacturing and the rate of expansion of our commercial operations. As of December 31, 2014, Celldex had $89.6 million shares outstanding. I will now turn the call back to Anthony.

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Thank you, Chip and Tom as well. As you can see 2014 was another significant year for Celldex with multiple major milestones accomplished for Rintega and considerable expansion across every single program in our pipeline. We have continued this momentum into 2015 with the announcement of Breakthrough designation and the promise of more data to come from the ReACT study in the coming months. In addition, through to our heritage as longtime believers in combination immunotherapy, we will continue to add meaningful combination studies to our pipeline throughout the year. To summarize on Slide 18, in 2015 we anticipate to complete the following milestones for these programs. For Rintega continued execution on the ACT IV Phase 3 registration study and frontline GBM, with the first data enrollment expected mid-year. Reporting of final data from the ReACT Phase 2 study and recurrent GBM in mid-year and continue preparation for potential commercial launch of Rintega. For the glemba program continued accrual of the METRIC study in triple negative breast cancer and melanoma study and the initiation and/or support of multiple studies including Celldex-sponsored Phase 2 studies squamous cell lung cancer and the NCI-sponsored studies in uveal melanoma pediatric sarcoma. The varili program continued execution of the Phase 1/2 study of varli in combination with vivo, the initiation of Phase 1/2 studies of Varli and Yervoy, plus 1401 and the NY-ESO positive patients and initiation of multiple combination studies both, alone and collaboration with a broad array of agents. 1401, in addition to Varli and Yervoy combination study, we will continue to support NCI-sponsored Phase 2 studies of CDX-1401 and 301 in melanoma and other investigator-supported studies. The 301 continued execution of the 301 pilot study alone and with Mozobil and hematopoietic stem cell transplant and ongoing support for the investigator-sponsored Phase 1/2 study or CDX-301, Hiltonol and radiation and B-cell lymphomas. As Tom said, we expect to ramp up the prep work for CDX-014 this year, so we can put to the product into the clinic in 2016. With that review operator, we are ready to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bret Holley from Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.

Bret Holley

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for taking the questions and congratulations on the progress. The plan in the EU, it sounds like you are talking about 150 [ph] worldwide. I am just wondering about your filing plan for rindo in Europe and your commercial plan. Could you flush out a little bit please?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Sure. We plan on marketing the drug ourselves, Bret, as we are planning in the North America. The EU-five, we plan on having our own people on the ground in the EU five countries. We also plan on having a headquarters in Europe for marketing of this drug and hopefully future drugs. Then in the rest of Europe, we will look for agreements with suppliers and distributors.

Bret Holley

Analyst

Okay. Do you believe they will surpass the accelerated filing on the ReACT data in Europe or what is your position on that?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Hi, Bret. This is Tom. As we said, we are talking to both the FDA and the authorities in Europe about the ReACT data. Their criteria for approval is somewhat different and it won't be until the completion of those discussions we will really have an understanding of the likelihood there, so we certainly intend to pursue it as best we can knowing that the ACT IV data will come shortly thereafter and should provide a definite path to approval if those data are positive.

Bret Holley

Analyst

Tom, I wonder if you could comment on the importance of PFS-6 versus OS in ReACT. Obviously there are sorts of great controversy on the street. I am just wondering given this asset ReACT was not a typical study or not designing to be a typical study, what sort of your perspective on that. You have obviously had initial conversations with the FDA and I am just wondering with the relative importance of those two end points in ReACT?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Our discussions with the FDA have been just that very preliminary at this point time, so I am not really speaking from their perspective. From the clinical trial perspective, it is very important to meet your primary end points that the core design of the study revolves around that and multiple groups in published literature have recommended PFS-6 as the primary endpoint in this population, so it is not endpoint that we chose ourselves, but rather the one that recommended by investigators. Hence PFS-6 in the study is important to the effect that we need to meet the pre-specified hurdle for positivity in PFS-6. As you heard, not only did we achieve that hurdle, but we also performed at a much higher level in this relatively small randomized study. That said, overall survival is the gold standard in most any cancer, and to be able to show an overall survival benefit is in itself a higher hurdle and is most impressive in this particular disease, where very few if any agents have been able to show a benefit in overall survival, so I think both are equally important. As it stands right now, we have met the primary endpoint, we expect to continue that with final data won't be available until the middle of this year, but assuming that we meet primary endpoints and all the secondaries, including that overall survival benefit are in play.

Bret Holley

Analyst

I guess one last question on the CMC progress for rindo, obviously, that was coming in to play, give us an update on the manufacturing process and you were also confident in that timeline should you pursue more aggressive path towards approval for rindo?

Tibor Keler

Analyst

Hi, Bret. This is Tibor. Yes, so we have made a lot of progress with our commercial manufacturers for the commercial process in terms of scaling up and being ready for filing. Certainly that activity has progressed more rapidly with the new information and we believe that we can align that together with filing processes as necessary.

Bret Holley

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much guys. I really appreciate it.

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Thanks, Bret.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Howard Liang from Leerink. Your line is open.

Howard Liang

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much. I guess the first question on the cash guidance. Can you talk about how that the progress of rindo impact your cash balance projection. Is the current projection based on filing for full data in 2016 for rindo?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

The cash balance that we have guided with cash towards the end of '16, Howard, assumes that rindo will get approved on the ACT IV data on our base case. Now that could change if we get an accelerated approval, but the base case is built on approval on the ACT IV study in its normal course, so that is why we can get through 2016. If it does move and accelerates, that cash will be burned quicker, so everything that we would have in '16 or a good portion of results we have in '16 for commercial, will be accelerated and moved toward the end of '15, so it will slightly increased our burn rate, but certainly that will be a good thing because we can get the drug on the market faster.

Howard Liang

Analyst

When if there a full - assumes not filing a case on the success at interim analyses?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Well, we have to just base it on what we feel and Phase 3 study would be the full approval and that is what we planned our base case on.

Howard Liang

Analyst

Okay. Great. Also on rindo, Tom, could you say whether you have submitted abstract to ASCO this year for rindo?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. We have submitted an abstract. Keep in mind that the only data available at that time were the previous no data, so the abstract is not going to contain a lot of information, so we believe the data as such that it should position it well at the meeting. Of course at ASCO, you never know.

Howard Liang

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Maybe one more question on Varli, on the combination of study, can you talk about the rationale for [ph] up to four cycles I know that there is I think another co-stimulatory agonist from DB agonist also it is limited to few cycles, but is it just a general FDA requirement on this class of molecules?

Tom Davis

Analyst

We do not have specific feedback from the FDA on that perspective. We effectively voluntarily limited ourselves for an assortment of reasons including availability of drug product and the timeframe for the study. We think with four cycles we should be able to get adequate immune data as well as clinical data to understand. If those data suggest that prolonged therapy would be more appropriate, we can still amend the study to add that. I would not read too much into it. I think this design will give us very useful information and then we will be able to make an informed decision.

Howard Liang

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much. I will get back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mara Goldstein from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Mara Goldstein

Analyst

Hello. Thanks very much. Just a couple of questions, on the commercial footprint launch, I know you spoke to the idea of 150 FTEs and folks on the ground in selected territories. As it relates to these key positions, can you go through what has been hired, at this time what is still outstanding?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Sure, Mara. We hired the leader of the commercial group Rick Wright. He is the VP of Commercial. We also hired market access leadership, marketing sales, education, medical affairs and people of that nature. We will continue to bring in new people to support the sales training, the sales force, medical affairs and regulatory as we move forward towards the year.

Mara Goldstein

Analyst

Exclusive of field sales force, can you talk about headcount or the number overall what you expect to add, exclusive, I understand you have these 150 FTEs, but what percentage wise has been added and what is outstanding exclusive of sales reps?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Exclusive sales and we need to bring in a couple of account payer managers. We need to bring in some support under the medical affairs group and add probably another 6 to 10 people and then the rest will be MSLs and reps going forward.

Mara Goldstein

Analyst

Okay. If I could just ask for some clarification on the discussion process with FDA rather on ReACT, you said during the call that you would anticipate being able to discuss the full data set with the method that would be presented sort of in that sort of end of first half. At what point understanding that the dialogue is a dialogue another single point in time, but how long should you be able to file for approval with ReACT? About how long would that process take after that final decision is made by FDA?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, a complex question Mara

Mara Goldstein

Analyst

Hi Tom.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. Hi. We have meeting scheduled. Of course, the core those meetings will be whether or not the data could support an approval. If we do hear back positively, the next discussion would be all around what are the requirements they have as you heard earlier the CMC portion is critical as well the timeline for that is very dependent on what their standards and expectations are. We would like to think, we could go through that whole process now that we have breakthrough therapy, there could be a fairly rapid review and there could be a license for marketing in the 2016 timeframe, but the exact timing will depend entirely on what we hear.

Mara Goldstein

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thanks. I will jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Thanks, Mara.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Boris Peaker from Cowen. Your line is open.

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Good morning. Congratulations on the progress. Maybe let me just ask directly on the METRIC studies. Can you comment on how many actually patients you have enrolled at the moment?

Tibor Keler

Analyst

We have a policy that we do not provide specific guidance on accrual in these trials, because it is highly variable from month-to-month and it is something that we do not even track that closely.

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Do you plan to, sorry go ahead.

Tibor Keler

Analyst

The accrual is accelerating quite nice at this point, but we have not reached the maximum level of accrual that we would predict. It won’t be until later this year that we can be absolutely certain when accrual will end, but I think right now things are going in that 2016 timeframe seems like a reasonable expectation.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Boris, on the call in August, which would be our mid-year call, we will have a much better idea for tracking and we will update everyone at that point.

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Got it. Now, I am also curious on the ACT IV study. How does the event rate compared to your estimated event rate?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, again getting back to my previous comment, things bounce around quite a bit. Initially, the events came in more slowly than expected, recently the rate has picked up, but it could change quite readily any time now.

Boris Peaker

Analyst

On average, is that a little slower than you initially expected or is it roughly in line if you aggregate all the months together?

Tom Davis

Analyst

It is basically…

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Okay. Then my last question is in the screen for EGFRvIII mutation in the ACT IV study, I am just curious do you designate the patients simply as positive or negative for the mutation or do you have a quantitative scale that can be correlated with a response?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, the assay is a quantitative assay, but there is specific cut off that give us the binary readout positive or negative.

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Okay. Do you think that eventually you are going to look at this to get a sense of correlation mutation to the response or is that not something that you can think it is important?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. We had looked in earlier studies the extent of expression not the correlation at that point in time, we are planning to pursue that further, but we do have the number…

Boris Peaker

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christopher Marai from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Christopher Marai

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. First, just to touch upon ACT IV again, based on the current event rate, do you have any further insight into when that second interim look will occur?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Again, base on the current event rates, we believe middle of this year for the first interim analysis and then the second would be late this year, early next. Everything really is marching along as we had previously predicted, which in some ways is reassuring.

Christopher Marai

Analyst

Okay. Great. Then with respect to some of the combination studies, when do we expect some data from 1401 or 1127 varli data trial. Then 1401 on the IDOs, what are the sort of the data timing estimates for first look at any of that and do you expect any additional data to be presented preclinical data AACR? Thanks.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, from the timing for the clinical trials, Chris, we have just started to studies very recently, so we cannot predict based on any accrual data at this point, but we are expecting to have some preliminary results roughly at the end of next year, extending into 2017 from these combination studies. Now these not blinded studies, there may be possibility look earlier, but we are not planning to do that.

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Yes. We have submitted an abstract for AACR varli.

Christopher Marai

Analyst

Okay. Great. Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Pantginis from ROTH Capital. Your line is open.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on rindo's breakthrough designation. It has been great to see the renewed visibility on the product, Tom, I think the question might be for you with regards to varli, I would really like to focus on dosing. When you look at the evolution of dosing of the drug, your earlier proof of concept study was really focusing on getting to maximum exposure of the drug. You then talked about intermittent or metronomic type of dosing. When you look at all the various combination studies that are ongoing, are you going to look at more standard dosing or is there any potential for the type of combination to dictate the type of dosing as well. Thanks a lot.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Good question Joe. Our observation from the Phase 1 study were that did get very good activation of immunity at or after a single dose and we also saw preclinical activity in the patient with Hodgkin's lymphoma at a low dose of 0.3 milligrams per kilogram, so putting that information together, it looks very much like a low-dose given two or three weeks apart could be quite effective. In our clinical studies, we are doing dose escalations with roughly that planning and we would expect to see some activity even in the first dose cohorts. The best thing about that from my perspective at least is that we can basically give varli at a convenient point in time along with the other combined agents, so those agents that routinely given Q2 or Q3 based on standard-of-care, we can readily including infusion of Varli at the same time if we only have use low doses, those infusion can be relatively rapid. The study will be assessing that not just within a single study, but across multiple studies. Again, when data become available from all of these studies in the end of 2016, early 2017 timeframe, we will be able to better characterize how to optimally use the agent.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst

Thanks a lot guys.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Brozak from WBB. Your line is open.

Steve Brozak

Analyst

My addition to congratulations on everything you had just announced and really good news. Most questions have been asked and answered, but I do have one concerning reimbursement. I know that you are not going to go out there and talk about pricing, but given the fact that this drug has been out there for quite a while now, what are your thoughts as to the clinician community and how they are going to ask for the drug? Are they are going ask for, I should put as quicker turnaround as far as gaining availability once approved, what are your thoughts on reimbursement and how you will proceed enough fashion, and that is it, really. Thanks.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, from a reimbursement perspective, Steve, we are still doing all the work around the pricing of the drug if it is approved, but we are of the mindset that if the drug works as we would hope it will that reimbursement won't be an issue.

Steve Brozak

Analyst

Great. You have got feedback from the clinicians obviously given the length of time that you have been doing this that they really do want it and that they really are impressed, especially the KOLs I assume?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. I mean, and saw Dr. Reardon comments that's now and we have received similar feedback from other investigators and KOLs.

Steve Brozak

Analyst

Great. Again, congratulations.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Biren Amin from Jefferies. Your line is open. Please check that your line is not on mute.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Hi. Can you hear me now?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. We can hear you, Biren.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Maybe I will start with the rindo and ACT IV. Can you just maybe go over the objectives of the first and second interims for the readout?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Sure, Biren. They are fairly standard interim analyses that includes both futility and an efficacy hurdle, so provided that the study crosses either of those, the data monitoring committee would provide us with the fact that that result has occurred that we need to move forward within an appropriate decision. Obviously, if it crosses the efficacy threshold, there will be a need to discuss that with the regulators in order to make a definitive decision how to manage the study moving forward, but that would of course be an exciting event. However, with all of these studies, the most likely outcome is simply a message that the trial should continue, that if it has not crossed those boundaries at which point that would be the message to us and the message to the street. Base on the ReACT data, it is not clear to us whether or not we should expect an early readout. There is a very large effect, but it does appear to be concentrated in the tail of the curves which means it might take some time to get to that point.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Got it. Then on ReACT. It seems your are anticipating presenting the full data at ASCO. Company likely would make a decision on accelerating filing before that, so can you talk about your communication strategy as such or we have to wait for data at ASCO before we learn about filing strategies?

Tom Davis

Analyst

Yes. I think Biren, it is going to take time to clean up all the data and putting in it proper form and ASCO is only less than three months away from now, so I think the ASCO timeframe is the appropriate time.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Okay. I think if I could ask a question on glemba. Based on the amendment to METRIC, what was the FDA feedback on the changes that were made to the trial?

Tom Davis

Analyst

The FDA provided some very specific input into some operational aspects of the study, including one stratification factor, but beyond that had no significant comments on the trial design. I think this is a situation where the FDA like to say it will all depend on the data, but at this point I think it is clear that they and the Europeans accept the trial as we have amended it and we will be happy to talk to us about the data when it becomes available.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Got it. Then maybe one last question on varli, there is I guess option to license to Bristol, at what point does the company make that decision. Is it going to be based on interim data as you see response rates or we will have to wait for all the full data set?

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Well, let me make it clear the options is only if we decide we want the license out the product there, so if we wanted to decide to keep the product in-house and develop it ourselves, we maintain it, so that is the only option is if we decide at some point that we would like to license out the varli program that BMS have that exclusive little window.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Okay. Maybe if I ask to follow up on that. What are some scenarios where the company could envision taking this forward all the way versus out-license, because it seems some way peers have chosen to - license. Yesterday we saw Bristol sign a deal for access with some significant buck dollars.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Well, again let us look and see what the data looks, right, we like controlling our assets as much as we can we feel that that is where the real value is created in biotech, so let us look and see what the data looks like, let us see where we are at the time that the data comes out as where we would be able rindo when potential market launch, but we will take a look at it at that point in time, but we feel that the real value for the company is it is hold on to the assets and see where we can create value rather than milestone-ing and licensing it out.

Biren Amin

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Tom Davis

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Nierengarten from Wedbush Securities. Your line is open. Please make sure your is line is not on mute. Once again, sir you may want to check your mute button. I am showing no further question at this time, I would now like to turn the call back over to Anthony Marucci for any closing remarks.

Anthony Marucci

Analyst

Thank you operator and thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. I know we have covered a lot here today and we appreciate your time and support. We had a very exciting year in 2014 and we think 2015 will be every bit as eventful. We look forward to keeping you up-to-date, but as always we welcome your questions at any time. We wish you a great day and for those of you in the Northeast area stay warm. Thank you.