Hello and welcome to the Chimera Investment Corporation Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Victor Falvo, Head of Capital Markets and Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Victor.

Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for participating in Chimera's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, I'd like to review the Safe Harbor statements. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties, which are outlined in the Risk Factors section in our most recent annual and quarterly SEC filings. Actual events and results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. We encourage you to read the forward-looking statement disclaimer in our earnings release in addition to our quarterly and annual filings. During the call today, we may also discuss non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our SEC filings and earnings supplement for reconciliation to the most comparable GAAP measures. Additionally, the content of this conference call may contain time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this earnings call. We do not undertake and specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise this information. I will now turn the conference over to our Chief Executive Officer, Phil Kardis.

Good morning, and welcome to Chimera Investment Corporation's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. Joining me on the call are Choudhary Yarlagadda, our President, Chief Operating Officer and Co-Chief Investment Officer; Dan Thakkar, our Co-Chief Investment Officer; Subra Viswanathan our Chief Financial Officer; and Vic Falvo, our Head of Capital Markets and Investor Relations. After my remarks, Subra will review the financial results and then we'll open the call for questions. Let me begin by recognizing Choudhary Yarlagadda, who announced his retirement. CY, as he's affectionately known, has been here since the beginning. He has been involved in all aspects of our business, from structuring our securitizations and unique financings to managing our operations and information technology groups. These are some big shoes to fill, and I'm confident with CY's assistance, our transition will be seamless. While we're saddened by his departure, we are happy for him as he begins the next stage of his journey, and we wish CY nothing but the best. As I think back about last year, I'm reminded of Maxine Nightingale's song, Get Right Back to Where We Started From. When we ended 2022, 10-year treasury had a yield of 3.87% and again, as we ended 2023, the 10-year had a yield of 3.88%. But as we got right back to where we started from, we took a very volatile, circuitous route. During the year, we saw the 10-year treasury yield drop to 3.3% in early April, and reach as high as nearly 5% in October before finishing the year at 3.88%. Silicon Valley Bank and several other large regional banks failed and nearly sparked a full-fledged banking crisis. The Federal Reserve raised interest rates four times for a total of 100 basis points, and the rate for 30-year mortgages reached a peak…

Thank you, Phil. I will review Chimera's financial highlights for the fourth quarter and full year 2023. GAAP net income for the fourth quarter was $12 million or $0.05 per share, and GAAP net income for the full year was $52 million or $0.23 per share. GAAP book value at the end of the fourth quarter was $6.75 per share. The reduction in value this quarter was mostly driven by a small realized loss on asset sales during the quarter, higher marks on two separate liability facilities, and dilution from ATM issuance. For the fourth quarter, our economic return on GAAP book value was negative 58 basis points based on the quarterly change in book value and the fourth quarter dividend or common share. And for the full year, our economic return was negative 53 basis points, which included $0.70 of dividends declared in 2023. On an earnings available for distribution basis, net income for the fourth quarter was $31 million or $0.13 per share, and net income for the full year was $119 million or $0.51 per share. Our economic net interest income for the fourth quarter was $68 million and $271 million for the full year. For the fourth quarter, the yield on average interest earning assets was 5.9%. Our average cost of funds was 4.4% and our net interest spread was 1.5%. Total leverage for the fourth quarter was 4 to 1, while recourse leverage ended the quarter at 1 to 1. For financing and liquidity, this quarter we refinanced $250 million high cost debt into a new facility which will reduce the interest expense by more than 600 basis points. The company had $599 million of total cash and unencumbered assets at year-end. We had $1.7 billion floating rate exposure on our outstanding repo liabilities. We had $1 billion pay fixed interest rate swap at a rate of 3.26% as a hedged position for our floating rate liabilities. These swaps mature in the second quarter of 2024 and we had $1.5 billion swaptions to pay fixed for one year beginning in the second quarter of 2024 at a weighted average strike rate of 3.56% as a hedged position for liabilities. We have $1.5 billion of either non or limited mark-to-market features on our outstanding repo agreements, representing 60% of our total recourse funding. For the full year, our economic net interest income return on equity was 10.5%. Our GAAP return on average equity was 4.9% and our EAD return on average equity was 7.2%. And lastly, for the full year 2023, expenses, excluding servicing fees and transaction expenses, were $55.7 million, down $16.3 million from full year 2022, a year-over-year reduction of 23%. That concludes our remarks. We will now open the call for questions.

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Bose George from KBW. Your line is now live.

Hey, everyone. Good morning. First question just was on the comment you made on the book value change and the mark on the liability side. Was there no corresponding mark on the asset side for some of those holdings?

Hi, this is Subra. Thanks for the question. No, the portfolio overall experienced a mark-to-market benefit during the quarter. What I highlighted those, there were actually the reasons where some of the -- some of the items that actually cost the book value to go down. But overall the portfolio, the residential credit portfolio experienced a significant mark-to-market gain.

Okay. So the drivers really then were just the ATM issuance, and that one, the realized loss that you mentioned.

Well, there's a realized loss and there's like two liability facilities. One is a prime jumbo facility which had a bunch of embedded swaps in it which had a -- quite honestly a higher mark. But because it was a higher mark on a liability, it was a lower book value for us. And also the other reason was we had two -- previously we had two unsold securities from our prior securitizations which were financed in our repo facilities. We then sold them out this past quarter, so now they became sec debt. So the sec debt, from the time it became sec debt and where we sold it to the end of the period mark, it experienced further increase in value which reduced our book value.

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks. And then actually in terms of the ATM issuance, what was the average price for that?

Give me one second. Let me just confirm. It's low five. I can confirm the exact.

Okay.

Low five.

Okay. Great, thank you.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Trevor Cranston from JMP Securities. Your line is now live.

Hey, thanks. Actually just a follow-up on the question about the ATM issuance this quarter. Can you sort of talk through the thought process on issuing a current valuation versus how you guys think about potentially buying back stock and what goes into that decision? Thanks.

Sure. I think as we mentioned, we were looking at where we see fed rate cuts coming later in the year and kind of opportunities to acquire higher coupon assets at a discount. We thought now is the time to do that. We -- these assets on a current basis more than cover the dividend associated with that stock and have potential for upside as rates begin coming down. So we thought this was a good time to go ahead and acquire these kinds of assets.

Okay. And in terms of continuing to add assets, 2024 ahead of rate cuts, can you talk about how much sort of free capital you feel you have available to do that by deploying cash on hand versus potentially using more capital issuance to buy new assets in the near term? Thanks.

Yeah, sure. So we would look at, there could be a couple of sources. Clearly, we have cash on hand, and the amount of cash and other liquidity that we would be willing to use is going to be a function of kind of where we see market volatility and rates. And as those calm down, we can see deploying some of that into new assets. As also I mentioned, depending on a variety of factors, we do have callable securitizations. I mentioned, for example, those non-REMIC securitizations, as those in particular, those are very high sec debt. And so there's opportunities to call and collapse those and they have a higher percentage of performing loans and we can convert those into REMIC and another non-REMIC. And so the sec debt on those, on a blended rate could be lower. So that could be another source of capital. So we have several potential sources of capital that we could use in addition to the capital markets. And we are constantly look at those opportunities.

Okay. Appreciate the comment. Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from Stephen Laws from Raymond James. Your line is now live.

Hi. Good morning. Just one last question on the ATM or follow-up. I think you said the issue in the low five, stocks at 4.5 now, like what's your valuation sensitivity? You mentioned the yield versus the mid-teen return. So is it strictly the dividend yield or how do you guys think about your valuation sensitivity around the continued issuance on ATM?

I mean it's a combination of those. And I think where the stock is now, I think, we're -- there are -- there is a limit in terms of how much dilution we'd be willing to handle, even though we could cover the dividend yield. And so we do look at those factors. So it's a combo. We want to make sure that we cover the dividend yield and we need to have upside from there. And the amount of upside we need depends on how much dilution. And so we'll have to make that trade-off. And that's kind of how we look at it. Obviously, where we were in the lower 5s was one calculation, in the mid 4s is a different calculation.

Great. And then as a follow-up, as you think about your outlook and potential upside, I don't know if it's the long end or the short end or spread tightening or all of it, but if rates say drop 100 basis points, how does that change the return expectation versus the mid-teens kind of current return on these new investments?

So do you want to answer?

Yeah, yeah. I think when we talk about it, it's primarily, especially as Phil mentioned in his comments about purchasing the non-agency subs which are not financed right now. So to the extent, the funding costs go down and we are able to finance them. The returns would be boosted further. So it's primarily a function of funding rates, not necessarily rates going down in the long end. Obviously and Phil mentioned in his comments too, as securitization markets become more stable, which we saw like how deals priced in January and yesterday we kind of got a hiccup, to the extent they become stable and we are able to accumulate loans and securitize them at a -- in a stable macro environment, that's the sector that would be benefiting from the long end of the curve.

Great. So the potential upside would be tied to declining short end as far as the new investments go.

Yeah, I think that's kind of fair.

Great. Appreciate the comments this morning.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Eric Hagen from BTIG. Your line is now live.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. How are you guys thinking about conditions in the securitization market related to interest rate policy at the short end of the yield curve? How do you even see that demand equation changing from securitized debt investors themselves and their appetite for more debt, especially as you think about maybe calling some of the debt that you have in your securitization pipeline already?

So as I just said, Eric, we would like to see the securitization markets a little more stable before we get into the markets again. So we are going to be accumulating loans. We saw in January, especially in the non-QM space, the AAA is priced in a range of like 143 basis points to 150 basis points. And as I said, if this we get a little more clarity in the first half of the year, the loans that we would have accumulated are the loans that we're going to be securitizing.

Okay. But how are you thinking about just conditions with respect to calling the pipeline of debt that you have, which is callable right now, and just where you can issue some of that debt and maybe extract some capital.

Currently, the sec debt, if we lock it in at the current rates, it is locked in for a longer period of time. So we are looking for the front-end rates and general market to be -- like the rates to come down, so we can get better funding rates for a longer term.

Right. Okay, that's helpful. Thanks.

But it also depends on what is available in the market. So sometimes it might be lucrative to take on a little expense on funding, if you are getting very accretive assets in the marketplace.

Right. No, that does make sense. How are we also thinking about the fixed to floating rate preferred? I mean, it looks like that's going to reset with this year. Do you think there's situations or conditions where you might look to call those or redeem them as they turn into their floating leg?

Yeah, I think we evaluate all those options. And I think as we mentioned right now, we think that with cuts coming in the future, at the end of the year and through next year, that -- while the -- we expect the floating rate to reset higher, we see that coming down over time and probably looking to deploy capital and buying new assets rather than at this point retiring that. But that's a case-by-case, and fact-based analysis that we're constantly looking at. So things could change and we could come to a view that it would make some more sense to actually start repurchasing it. But that's part of the mix of how we think about deploying capital in new investments versus reducing that expense.

Yeah. Thank you guys for the comments. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Trevor Cranston from JMP Securities. Your line is live.

Hey, thanks. Just one follow-up. Do you guys have an updated estimate on where book value stands so far in the first quarter?

Yeah, sure. So while the most recent Fannie RPL sale traded pretty well with the sell-off in rates since quarter end, and especially yesterday, which accelerated, I would say, like, we are down roughly a point or so.

A percent.

1%.

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.

Hi. This is Phil Kardis. I'd like to thank everyone for participating in our fourth quarter and full year earnings call. And we look forward to speaking to you on our earnings call for the first quarter 2024.

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