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Colliers International Group Inc. (CIGI)

Q2 2010 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 29, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to FirstService Corporation's second quarter earnings 2010 conference call. Today's call is being recorded. Legal counsel requires us to advise that the discussion scheduled to take place today may contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may be materially different from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the Form 10-K and in the company's other filings with the Canada and US securities commission. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Today is Wednesday, July 28, 2010. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to the founder and chief executive officer, Mr. Jay Hennick. Please go ahead, sir.

Jay Hennick

Management

Thank you, and good morning, everybody. As the operator said, I'm Jay Hennick, chief executive officer of the company. With me today is Scott Patterson, president and chief operating officer; and; John Friedrichsen, senior vice president and chief financial officer. This morning, FirstService reported solid second quarter results. Our revenues were up 18%, EBITDA was 8%, and adjusted earnings per share were up 4%. Year-to-date, revenues were up 15%, EBITDA up 21%, and adjusted earnings per share up 15%. John will provide full details in his financial review in just a few minutes. Overall, we're pleased with the second quarter results, with commercial real estate rebounding sharply over the prior year, and both residential property management and property services delivering solid results despite challenging economic conditions. Scott will expand on all of these in his operational report. Notwithstanding the very strong quarter at Colliers, the challenge going forward for us is the continued lack of visibility in this segment of our business. As we move into the second quarter, most indicators suggested that we were accelerating to economic recovery and our results to-date would surely echo that sentiment. However, as the quarter ended, most of these same indicators were suggesting that growth had slowed, especially in Europe. For this reason, we intend to continue to manage our business very closely this year on a region-by-region basis and see how things roll out. Q2 was also busy with several key projects and new initiatives. In the US, positive momentum continued with significant new recruitment activity and sizeable new client wins and corporate solutions and in our asset and property management businesses. At the same time, we undertook a major re-branding effort as we moved all offices that were not already operating as Colliers International to the global standard. So far, about…

John Friedrichsen

Management

Thank you, Jay. As announced in our press release earlier this morning and by Jay in his remarks, FirstService reported solid overall results for our second quarter despite market conditions that remain challenging, though improved over the severe downturn experienced in our second quarter last year. The year-over-year improvement in our results from our commercial real estate operations was significant, while both our residential property management and property services operations contributed solid results. The following is a summary of our consolidated results for our second quarter. Revenues increased 18% to $501.4 million from $425.3 million last year, in which 3% was due to foreign exchange and another 3% on account of acquisitions. EBITDA totaled to $44.6 million versus $41.2 million last year, an increase of 8%, generating an overall EBITDA margin of 8.9% compared to 9.7%, due primarily to an increase in the proportion of revenues generated by our commercial real estate operations, which have lower margins. Adjusted net earnings increased 6% to $145 million – sorry, $14.5 million from $13.6 million last year. And adjusted diluted earnings per share came in at $0.48, up 4% from $0.46 reported in our second quarter last year. As outlined in our press release and summary financial results released this morning, adjusted earnings and EPS include certain adjustments to these measures determined under GAAP. These adjustments are required as we believe the GAAP is not necessarily indicative of the economic earnings from our operations, all of which are outlined in detail in our release and consistent with our approach and disclosures in prior periods. We move from the P&L to our cash flow statement, we generated strong cash flow from operations in our second quarter, increasing to $40.7 million, compared to $25.6 million in the same quarter a year ago, an increase of…

Scott Patterson

Management

Thank you, John. Let me start my divisional review with commercial real estate, where revenues for the quarter were $217.1 million, up 52% from the weak second quarter of 2009. Adjusting for the impact of FX fluctuation, revenues were up 44%, 37% organically with the balance from the recent acquisition of Colliers Chicago. Our strong results were driven by significant gains in North America and Asia Pac relative to the prior year, tempered by more modest gains in Europe and flat year-over-year results in Latin America. In general, the increase was the result of much higher transaction volumes globally, both sales and leasing in combination with the return of larger sales transactions relative to what we have seen over the last 24 months. Property management revenues also showed very strong growth in our major markets, while appraisal and project management grew more modestly. Let me now spend a few minutes focusing on each of our major regions. In the Americas, revenues were up 55% driven equally by very strong gains in both the US and Canada. Latin America was flat year-over-year. In the US, all of our offices and operations showed some level of growth over the weak June 2009 quarter, with particular strength coming from New York City, Boston, and the US Northwest. Similarly in Canada, we reported growth in all our offices led by the major markets, Toronto, Vancouver, and Calgary. North American revenue increases were driven by investment sales activity that was doubled the depressed levels of last year’s quarter and leasing revenues that were up by almost 50%. Property management, project management, and appraisal also showed gains over the prior year, but at more modest rates. We generated a high single-digit margin in the Americas for the quarter, up from the low single-digit margin in the…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Please standby for your first question. The first question comes from Sara O'Brien of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Hi, guys.

Jay Hennick

Management

Good morning, Sara. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Jay mentioned in his comments that you could grow in diversified field asset services. I'm just wondering, if the volumes don't come into Q4, that's more an F'11 phenomenon. What can you do to diversify and grow that business? And can you cost cut to improve the margins if the volumes don't come in as expected?

Jay Hennick

Management

Well, there are actually two questions. In terms of cost-cutting to adjust for margins, I think we've got a very close eye on that. As Scott said, we've been watching our costs. We've properly sized the business. We're looking at it now because almost every day, our clients are telling us volumes are going to increase. So it's a bit of a fine line in terms of managing the headcount of this significant business. But I think the guys are doing a good job there. In terms of diversification, we have – there're several other services that we could be providing and are providing to our clients, same client base, to widen the number of services that we provide. One of them is a very interesting renovation business, where we help them upgrade the quality of the property going through foreclosure to help the resale or leasing of that property. And that business is something that we started about a year ago, and has accelerated quite nicely and continues to accelerate. So as more houses are put on the market for sale, we have a good opportunity to continue to expand our programs there. The other piece of the business, which has become more important to lenders and other owners of assets is ongoing inspections of the properties during a longer period of time. What's happened is a lot of the lenders have taken back property. And they're not putting them on the market as quickly as they would otherwise be doing. And they would like us to inspect the property on a more regular basis. And that's creating another significant revenue opportunity for us on a monthly basis. So those are two new initiatives that field assets implemented. We're quite excited about what they could mean in terms of incremental revenues. And there are others that we're testing, but not yet fully implemented. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Can you just remind us the business model in field asset services, when you bid on a territory of properties, once you've done your initial work, is it – is there an on – a recurring revenue stream? Or is it a one-shot deal and anything after that is incremental revenue to you?

Jay Hennick

Management

It's a fixed price for a period of time. And beyond that period of time, that's recurring revenue for a variety of services that are – that we provide by contract. But what's happened is because the owners now own them for a longer period of time and with increased local legislation being implemented by local cities and counties, our clients want additional inspection services provided to those properties in the form of pictures and GPS date and timestamp output that they can provide – that they can have as a measure of ongoing security for their operations. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. So we should not expect that the longer the hold period of your customers that it's going to be a drive on your margins, basically it just means that incremental revenue at approximately the same kind of margin going forward.

Jay Hennick

Management

Yes, that's right. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Perfect. And then if I can, just on commercial real estate, you talked about a little bit of caution going into Q4 and maybe some costs associated to branding for the Colliers brand across the US. I just wondered margin-wise if you expect an incremental up-flow into Q4 for margins and where you'd expect to end the year.

John Friedrichsen

Management

I think on the margin – Sara, it's John. We're expecting, I think we just indicated this earlier, mid-single-digit margins based on expected volumes at this point. So that's pretty much where we would expect to be this year.

Scott Patterson

Management

But speaking to the branding costs – Sara, it's Scott. They will impact this business this year in terms of margin. We incurred costs during the second quarter of over $1 million. And we'll see $3 million to $4 million over the second half of the year. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. And then just one last question, given that you have repurchased $70 million worth of minority shareholder or non-controlling interest, what should we use modeling going forward for the minority interest state of earnings? Is it still 20% to 25%? Or do we take that down?

Jay Hennick

Management

No. I think that that's a good range. It will be favorably impacted, so we may be closer to the bottom of that range. But it does get impacted by the mix of earnings and where earnings are being generated, and how much minority interests or non-controlling interests is in that particular operation. But the trend would be moving downwards as a result of the repurchase or the purchase of the equity interest. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Perfect. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Stephanie Price of CIBC. Please go ahead. Stephanie Price – CIBC: Good morning.

Jay Hennick

Management

Good morning, Steph. Stephanie Price – CIBC: In terms of the residential property management position, you had the acquisition (inaudible). Can you talk a little bit about devaluations that you're seeing in that business? Are they trending down given the environment right now?

Jay Hennick

Management

In fact, they're staying pretty much the same as they've always been. As you can see in the numbers of residential property management, it's a very resilient business. So notwithstanding what's been going on in the overall economy, these companies continue to generate the same level of profitability as they have historically. And I think what's interesting is the psyche of the sellers is changing somewhat because in the past, they might have held on to their business over a longer period of time or not sought a partner to help them take their business to the next level. There is a good number of prospects out there that are primed for a per service-type of a philosophy, where we acquire a significant equity stake in the business. They retain an equity stake in the business. And we help them grow the business over the long term. So we're seeing more of that as people look to lessen their risk in their personal lives. So that's opened some doors for us. But acquisition candidates generally in that business and acquisition multiples have stayed pretty stable. Stephanie Price – CIBC: And just touching over the FAS, in terms of the margins in the business, given that foreclosure rate is lengthening, are you coming to discount as the environment gets more competitive out there?

John Friedrichsen

Management

I don't believe in markets getting more competitive. But as Jay mentioned, our customers are expecting us to provide more services and increased level of services. So while we're getting compensated for most of that, there is some scope (inaudible). And so we've experienced some of that. I think we're at a stable level now. But it's really customer expectations as the whole period lengthens, not necessarily competition. Stephanie Price – CIBC: All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from David Gold of Sidoti. Please go ahead. David Gold – Sidoti: Hi, good morning.

Jay Hennick

Management

Good morning, David. David Gold – Sidoti: A couple of questions for you, one, on the Colliers side, can you give a sense or a little bit of an update for – you made a lot of progress, obviously, since the beginning of the year. But what's left to do, in your mind, as far as building up the brand further, one, on the costs that you mentioned; and two, from an acquisition perspective? Are there holes in the footprint that you still feel is important to fill?

Scott Patterson

Management

Well, the good news is we don't there're very many holes in the footprint in North America, for sure. We own all the major markets. We have great partners in the secondary markets under license agreements, which give us the right to step in and be their partner when the time is right. So from an acquisition standpoint in North America, I think we're in good shape market-wise. Where we are spending lots of time, re-branding has been a big initiative making sure that everybody is consistent, updated Web sites that are consistent with our new philosophy. Lots of recruiting efforts have happened throughout the US and continue with the momentum that we have generated. And we're looking for strategic opportunities to augment the strength of some of our larger markets. We think that there's a huge opportunity with the third largest global brand to drive lots of business on a global basis. And historically, the mindset or philosophy as a business was not as focused on transferring business from market to market. So we're spending time looking at that aspect of our business, and recruiting where appropriate to drive some business to some of our other regions.

Jay Hennick

Management

Scott.

Scott Patterson

Management

Sorry.

Jay Hennick

Management

The corporate services is another area that's enjoyed some great growth in recent times. It was a relatively new initiative two years ago. It's gotten some great – it's gotten some great wheels under it. And so, there're lots of opportunities with that and with our asset and property management business, which is growing very significantly. And a lot of it is coming from our real property in another – in the commercial space as opposed to the residential space that Scott talked about earlier. So we're seeing lots of activity. And so, our focus is to strengthen our existing business and existing markets, look for opportunities to drive business outside of the US. But market-by-market, I think we're well covered now. There are some minor places. But overall, I think we're done. David Gold – Sidoti: Okay. And can you just – your comment, Jay, on basically getting folks to work together, so to speak, is that as simple as just incentivizing them properly?

Jay Hennick

Management

I'm sorry. Give me that again. David Gold – Sidoti: As far as market-to-market business transfers, is it as simple as just putting the incentives in place and basically incentivizing folks to share relationships, so to speak? What are you doing to that effect?

Jay Hennick

Management

It's much more complicated than that because first of all, it's important that people on this side of the pond understand the client relationships on the other side of the pond. We have an initiative called "Our People", which is rolling out and is quite interesting, which helps our brokers all around the world understand who their partners are, and what they do, and the client that they serve. And so, it gives us a great opportunity to really make our company a lot smaller than it would otherwise be. Compensation is well-established in terms of sharing compensation. But really, it's surprising as you peel the onion that strong relationships with one client in Australia are not maximized in North America or vice versa. And there're just countless examples of that same thing happening. So there's a lot of time, effort, and energy put into understanding who we serve, top 10 clients, where do we serve them, how do we serve them better in markets that we don't have the same type of penetration. So it's much more complicated and time-consuming. But I think the management team at Colliers is doing a terrific job trying to bridge that gap. David Gold – Sidoti: Perfect. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Frederic Bastien from Raymond James. Please go ahead. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Good morning, gentlemen.

Jay Hennick

Management

Good morning.

Scott Patterson

Management

Hi, Frederic.

John Friedrichsen

Management

Good morning. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Thank you very much. I recall that when you first acquired Colliers, there was a lot of seasonality to your business – to the Colliers business with the second and fourth quarters showing typical strength. I'm just wondering how that business has changed over time and whether there's a bit of seasonality less than that?

John Friedrichsen

Management

Well, that would – it continues to be seasonal, Frederic. I don't think there's been anything fundamental that's changed in terms of that activity other than I think the market conditions in the last couple of years have maybe put some distortions in place. But we still tend to be back-end loaded with respect to this business. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Okay. Distortion was probably the perfect word to use. I'm wondering also if you could provide an update of the breakdown of revenues by region that you're currently seeing at Colliers.

John Friedrichsen

Management

What do you mean in terms of breakdown, just in terms of–? Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Just roughly–

John Friedrichsen

Management

Like current percentages? Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Yes.

John Friedrichsen

Management

Well right now, North America would be about 69% total overall quarterly revenues, Asia Pacific would be around 30%, and Europe around 7%. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: And North America, you said 60%?

John Friedrichsen

Management

Sixty-nine percent. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Okay. Perfect. The last question I have for you is on RPM and the recent acquisition you did. Are these the types of (inaudible) that are left out for grabs? Or are there still – I remember you made a few acquisitions in California. And they were in the $30 million to $40 million range in terms of revenues. Are there still some of those left available? Or are we still – or are we just looking at stocks of that size right now?

Jay Hennick

Management

There are a few available. Some of those – two of the three I'm thinking of are in markets in which we already serve. But there are countless $10 million-type companies out there. And if we can buy $10 million property management companies with 80% recurring revenue and 95% retention, and then bring additional services to bare, there're are huge upsides. Scott gave one example at Atlanta. But there are others – the example in Texas in Dallas is another strike zone-type of deal for us, where we bought a market reader, and then brought our additional services. And now, that business is two or three times the size in a relatively short period of time. So we're happy in that business to acquire $10 million property management businesses all day long. We can them our way. And typically, the owner operator remains as our partner in a small way in their geographic region if there's no overlap. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Perfect. Thank you.

John Friedrichsen

Management

Frederic, I'd also like just to correct that percentage of revenue. It's 63% in the quarter from North America, not 69%. Frederic Bastien – Raymond James: Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Brandon Dobell of William Blair. Please go ahead. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: Hi, guys. Good morning.

Jay Hennick

Management

Good morning. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: As I think about the commercial real estate segment, any color or commentary on where the margins could go in that business now that you've got a little more scale, a little more control of things there in the US and some new service lines ramping up? How should we think about it relative to historical and peak trough margins? Should there be a hope that more upside's there? How do we think about that?

Scott Patterson

Management

Yes, Brandon. I think in the near term, over the next couple of years, we're looking to get to 10% in that business. Regionally, we'd be the low double-digit area. And then, our corporate costs would bring us in at around 10%. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: Okay. That makes sense. In the FAS business, I know it's a bit counter to the rest of that segment, anything else that you can think about within the broader foreclosure market that may make sense now that you've got these relationships with the banks and their services? Or do you think this contractor model is where you want to stick relative to a processing versus technology opportunity (inaudible)?

Jay Hennick

Management

Well, first of all, this is very technology driven. The work is done by contractors, but it's all done using our computer technology and business processes. There are other areas in the foreclosure process that we could enter. We wanted to. Our thinking is we're a property services provider. That's what we're good at. We see related opportunities and other contractor services' networks to augment that business over time. And so, our focus is going to remain in this core business at the present time. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: Okay. And a question for John, looking at the corporate expenses versus stock-based comp, a little moving around and noise there, and some different – I guess managing their numbers. How do we think about modeling stock-based comp and corporate expenses looking at how the next couple of quarters jumped around a little bit the last couple?

John Friedrichsen

Management

The stock-based comp should be consistent on a quarterly basis with what we had in this last quarter. And the corporate costs increased principally on two counts. You've got higher FX because most of these costs are in Canadian dollars, and then an increase due to variable base – compensation based on – expected profitability. So we would expect that to be higher and trending along the same amounts that we recorded during this quarter. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: Okay. As a (inaudible) that the compensation based on expected profitability, is that – how near term of a calculation is that? Or is that some indication of how we should think about things in the forward quarters?

John Friedrichsen

Management

No. It's an estimate based on – a reasonable estimate based on full year profitability. Brandon Dobell – William Blair: Okay. That helps. Thanks, guys.

John Friedrichsen

Management

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Your next question is a follow-up from Sara O'Brien. Please go ahead. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Hi. A question for Scott, just commercial estate, a couple of years ago, you guys changed over your comp plans so that – I think the rewards were a little bit less than the up market and a little bit better in the down market. I just wondered how that's fairing out in a recovery in North America in terms of stickiness of your brokers.

Scott Patterson

Management

Well, those changes were made in the US only. Our comp plans, normally we're comfortable with. I mean I think that there's been a lot of progress made in the US around compensation plans. There remain some legacy deals. And as we make acquisitions, there are new legacy deals that are sometimes introduced. All our new recruits are on a consistent plan. So on average, our split ratio has moved in the direction we want it to. And over time, we are – we're looking to change the deals that are up market whenever we can. Where we have been – where we have aggressively made changes, in some cases we have lost some brokers as a result. But in most cases, it – we've been able to move on and build that office from that point. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: And in terms of your recruiting now, what's the feedback? Or are you getting any pushback on this?

Scott Patterson

Management

No. There are splits when we're recruiting our generally on market. And brokers are wanting to join Colliers. There's a lot of positive buzz right now with our re-branding. And it's a clear, new, fresh alternative for brokers. And our culture is attracting those that are aligned. Sara O'Brien – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Perfect. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the conference back to Mr. Hennick.

Jay Hennick

Management

Thank you very much everyone for joining us today at this conference call. And we look forward to having you attend the next one. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the conference call for today. You may now disconnect your line and have a great day.