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Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment Corporation (CHMI)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 3, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Cheryl, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment Corporation Second Quarter 2022 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. Thank you. Garrett Edson, you may begin your conference.

Garrett Edson

Management

We'd like to thank you for joining us today for Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment Corporation's second quarter 2022 conference call. In addition to this call, we have filed a press release that was distributed earlier this afternoon and posted to the Investor Relations section of our website at www.chmireit.com. On today's call management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today. Examples of forward-looking statements, include those related to interest income, financial guidance, IRRs, future expected cash flows, as well as prepayment and recapture rates, delinquencies and non-GAAP financial measures, such as earnings available for distribution or EAD, and comprehensive income. Forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates and Cherry Hill assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward-looking statements contained in the company's filings with the SEC, and the definitions contained in the financial presentations available on the company's website. Today's conference call is hosted by Jay Lown, President and CEO; Julian Evans, the Chief Investment Officer; and Michael Hutchby, the Chief Financial Officer. Now, I will turn the call over to Jay.

Jay Lown

Management

Thanks, Garrett, and welcome to today's call. The entire mortgage REIT sector was impacted by numerous macro and geopolitical concerns in the second quarter. In addition, the Fed turned aggressively hawkish to combat inflation as anticipated and hiked rates twice during the quarter, 50 basis points in May and 75 basis points in June. Last week, we navigated yet another 75 basis point hike. We continue to believe the Fed will remain aggressive with respect to tightening monetary policy in the near term, given their focus on bringing inflation down towards their target levels. In response, the US 10-year treasury rose to 3.5% by mid-June, and we were positioned well for the higher rate environment. However, recession fears gripped markets towards the end of June, leading to a rally in rates that continued through July. This, coupled with mortgage spreads widening during the quarter, most meaningfully at the end of June, negatively impacted our book value for the quarter. Ultimately, the US 10-year treasury finished the quarter at 3.02%, 68 basis points above its closing level at March 31. Our portfolio strategy has remained intact, pairing MSR with Agency MBS. We are constructive on agency mortgage spreads, given the significant widening this year and believe our positioning there has had a positive impact on performance year-to-date. We continue to actively adjust our investment portfolio to protect the business and remain less levered relative to historic norms in this dynamic macro environment to preserve book value. Julian will provide more details on our efforts shortly. For the quarter, improving prepayment speeds continue to aid our earnings available for distribution, or EAD, a non-GAAP financial measure. For the second quarter, we generated a GAAP net loss applicable to common stockholders of $17.6 million or $0.92 per diluted share, and we generated EAD…

Julian Evans

Management

Thank you, Jay. As Jay noted, the second quarter remarks by a rapid rise in interest rates as the Fed work to combat escalating inflation levels, including executing the first 75 basis point hike in nearly 30 years. The quarter also marked the start of the Fed outlining a plan and working to reduce its balance sheet. Throughout the quarter, we positioned our portfolio for a rising rate environment as the US tenure rate rose to nearly 3.5 by the middle of June. Just as quickly, US tenure fell in the final two weeks of the quarter and continue to move lower in July, despite the Fed hiking defense funds rate, another 75 basis points for a second consecutive month. The market continues to attempt to put run the Fed. And for now, seems to believe 3.5 is the ceiling for Fed funds, but until inflation appears to retain, the Fed will likely need to continue hiking rates, which may lead to a hard landing as the Fed tries to precariously balance curbing inflation without sinking the economy. At quarter end, our MSR portfolio had a UPB of $21 billion approximately. And a market value of approximately $264 million. During the quarter, we purchased approximately $950 million UPB of new MSRs through our bulk and flow programs. At the end of the second quarter, the MSR portfolio represented approximately 40% of our equity capital and approximately 24% of our investable assets, excluding cash. Meanwhile, our RMBS portfolio accounted for approximately 40% of our equity. As a percentage of investable assets, the RMBS portfolio represented approximately 76% excluding cash at quarter end. During the quarter, we continued to experience CPR improvements in both our MSR and RMBS portfolios. Our MSR portfolio's net average CPR approximately 10% and for the second quarter,…

Michael Hutchby

Management

Thank you, Julian. Our GAAP net loss applicable to common stockholders for the second quarter was $17.6 million or $0.92 per weighted average diluted share outstanding during the quarter. While comprehensive loss attributable to common stockholders, which includes the mark-to-market of our held for sale RMBS, was $5 million or $0.26 per weighted average diluted share. Our earnings available for distribution attributable to common stockholders were $5.2 million or $0.28 per share. Our book value per common share as of June 30 was $6.73 and compared to a book value of $7.27 as of March 31, 2021. We use a variety of derivative instruments to mitigate the effects of increases in interest rates on a portion of our future repurchase borrowings. At the end of the second quarter, we held interest rate swaps, TBAs and treasury futures, all of which had a combined notional amount of $1.3 billion. You can see more details with respect to our hedging strategy in our 10-Q as well in our second quarter presentation. For GAAP purposes, we've not elected to apply hedge accounting for our interest rate derivatives. And as a result, we record the change in estimated fair value as a component of the net gain or loss on interest rate derivatives. Operating expenses were $3.1 million for the quarter. On June 17, 2022, our Board of Directors declared a dividend of $0.27 per common share for the second quarter of 2022, which was paid in cash on July 26, 2022. We also declared a dividend of $0.5125 per share on our 8.2% Series A cumulative redeemable preferred stock and a dividend of $0.515625 on our 8.25% Series B fixed to floating rate cumulative redeemable preferred stock, both of which were paid on July 15, 2022. At this time, we will open up the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Your first question is from Henry Coffey of Wedbush. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Henry Coffey

Analyst

Yeah. Good afternoon and thank you for taking my question. How do market conditions today compared to where they were at the end of June, when we saw all these marks. I mean, had things calm down a little bit, have spreads narrowed, are they widening? What is the general – how do we compare today from – to June 30?

Julian Evans

Management

Hi, Henry, this is Julian. If it's just in terms of like mortgage spreads, it's been evolved for a couple of days since – well, I guess, since the end of – if you want to go since the end of June, they've tightened in pretty reasonably. I would say, maybe 15 to 20 basis points tightening in to the end of July. And post July, we are fluctuating around. So, yesterday were wider. Today, they're tighter. So call it relatively flat for the start of August here. But from a net – go ahead.

Henry Coffey

Analyst

I'm sorry, I’m sorry, keep going.

Julian Evans

Management

Well, from a spread perspective, RMBS is tighter from the end of June.

Henry Coffey

Analyst

So should we expect to see positive fair value marks coming through or more of what we've seen in the last two quarters?

Jay Lown

Management

Are you talking about company-wide Henry, or are you just talking about RMBS?

Henry Coffey

Analyst

Both, both, I mean, obviously, we've had a couple of other REITs report, so we understand what's going on so.

Jay Lown

Management

Yeah. Sure. Mike, do you want to give Henry a –

Michael Hutchby

Management

Yeah. Through July 31, we see book value per share up about 2%. And that is, of course, excluding any accrual for the – for a dividend as the board has not yet met to approve a dividend for the quarter.

Henry Coffey

Analyst

All right. Thank you

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Mikhail Goberman of JMP Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mikhail Goberman

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hope everybody is well. Quick 2-parter from me. Could you guys talk maybe for a little bit about how you see the Agency RMBS versus MSR pair off trade working from a capital allocation standpoint going forward? And also, is there any appetite to maybe tick up leverage from this point on? Thanks.

Jay Lown

Management

Sure. So to the first question, which I think was how do we think about the allocation of capital relative to the percentage of equity to each strategy. I think one of the things that we've done, as you know we've taken down leverage on the RMBS side throughout the year, just given our view on where spreads could go and some of the volatility in the space as rates back up, what I think we would call meaningfully through the quarter. And during that process, speeds for the MSR portfolio have remained low. So the desire to grow that portfolio versus maintain the size, I would tell you that we have chosen to more maintain the size of the portfolio and the percentage of equity in each asset class. I think, primarily one, because of the -- what I would call, just the MSR market being a little bit on the rich side today, relative to where we think the value is in terms of the newer production. And our view that we think that spreads should normalize on the RMBS side, and we would look to increase our activities on that side of the house.

Mikhail Goberman

Analyst

Got it. Thank for that.

Jay Lown

Management

As it relates to the leverage question, I think we have a view that spreads are starting to normalize. I think you've heard other people say the same, and we've seen some people raise capital with the intention of deploying capital into the agency space. We are constructive on the RMBS space today. We think that there's value there. But we are very mindful of the volatility day-to-day in the market, relative to all things, geopolitical, macroeconomic and anything related to what the Fed may or may not say on any given day.

Mikhail Goberman

Analyst

Thanks, Jay.

Jay Lown

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Matthew Howlett of B. Riley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Hey, Jay. Thanks for taking my question.

Jay Lown

Management

Hi, Matt.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

In terms of MSR valuation, I mean at this point, maybe do MSR values can they keep going up, or do they just sort of have -- they only kind of go one way from merit. And then, what's the -- once services talk about escrows, I'm assuming you get the escrows on the MSRs. I mean what's -- is that going to have an impact if federal funds goes -- continues going higher?

Jay Lown

Management

So, I'll take the last part first. Escrows are a component of the valuation. And clearly, as rates rise, that becomes a more -- a larger part of the valuation. And we are very focused on that relative to how we think about the MSR valuation in the aggregate. So I would say that they become a more meaningful impact to the valuation versus rates -- versus a 10-year 50 basis points sure or Fed funds at zero. So yes, as rates rise, those become a larger portion of the valuation of the asset class. The first part of your question is probably a little bit more involved, because that really depends on the collateral composition of the portfolio. If your portfolio was largely lower coupon MSRs, then I think clearly, what we've seen as rates rise, the benefit and the correlation to assets, sort of, stabilizes and it becomes less correlated. But I think as you add more MSRs at a more current coupon, those assets clearly can rise and fall just purely based up being more in the money. So does that answer your question somewhat? Our portfolio today is somewhat barbell. So we have a portion of the portfolio at, let's just say, 3.25% and below and a portion of the portfolio that we probably see at 3.75% and above. There really wasn't a lot for us in the 3.25% to 3.75%. So from that perspective, there is room for the portfolio of growing value, but again, not so much in the lower coupons.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Got you. No, that's very helpful. And then I heard your comments about the market is still volatile, and you want to keep some dry powder. How much of this -- I didn't hear you make any comments in terms of the Fed. Do you feel -- do you believe the Fed will start selling MBS. I mean, it's been slow to start running it off. I mean, how much is that going to have an impact? Do you think that we could go a lot wider, is that what you're waiting for, if they do start selling?

Jay Lown

Management

Yeah. So that's a really good question. And I think, broadly speaking, I think our performance during the quarter was better than a lot of agency guys in part, because we divested a lot of the lower coupon MBS throughout the quarter early on in anticipation of a potential spread widening more heavily in the lower coupon stack. I think others may have held on, and they got hit in the second quarter and got a bigger benefit in the third quarter. But we definitely repositioned ourselves more out of the lower coupon stack -- part of the coupon stack, because of a fear that if the Fed does start to sell, they are the primary holder of this stuff and could materially impact spreads on the lower coupon MBS. And while we don't have a strong view either way that they're going to sell, or just let it run off. Our view was that we weren't really interested in managing that risk. And hence, I think you see a slightly or a more stable profile relative to the book value in that side of the house because of that, do you think that accurately describes it, Julian?

Julian Evans

Management

Yeah, I think so.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

No, that makes -- it's definitely smart repositioning. The books held up a lot better than peers. I guess the last comment is on like you said Cherry Hill did this big because you have a little bit more preferred, you've got to get this base snapback in book. I think you said 50 bps of the basis tightening the book could go to like $8 or $9 -- back to $8 or $9. But at the same time, you probably really like the wide spreads. You don't really want to see the basis tightens. So, to investors just think about -- we just think about getting high returns, high cash flows using low leverage and just sort of just enjoy that part of it instead of just sort of waiting for spreads to tighten. I mean sort of -- do you feel like this is now a time to really begin growing again given where spreads are and how well you're positioned for the rate environment?

Jay Lown

Management

So, I would say that clearly, we're at wide for a lot of coupon spread wise. I think that that is -- it's not as easy to just say that on a broad level because of who owns certain coupons and where we think a more historical norm is for the spreads in that part of the coupon stack. But I would say that we do expect to pick up leverage at some point, and we feel good about having taken it down thus far and are looking for good opportunities to grow the RMBS portfolio as we feel things sort of get to a point that's more normalized from a historical level. Julian, do you have anything you want to add to that?

Julian Evans

Management

Yes, I think the main thing is, I think you're looking for some stability in rates. I mean every day, we've moved probably half a point to a full point which equates to six basis points to 12 basis points a day. So, I think what we're looking for is a little bit of stability and I don't think that's truly played out in the markets. What we've seen, at least in the third part of the third quarter, you've had lower coupon mortgages outperformed given the flattening or kind of the inverted the continued invertedness of the curve that's taken place and higher coupons have actually lagged in the spread tightening. So, I think in general, we can get some stability and we take up the leverage, we put more money to work. But I think that we've got to get more stability out of the Fed. The Fed is obviously this week stated they've got very much committed to raising interest rates or Fed fund rates to getting them to a level that's much more restricted in the economy. And I think this goes back to the last paragraph that I kind of talked about it says at the end of the day, there's going to be this fight over the next couple of months. And it comes down to -- is there going to be a recession, or are we going to have a soft landing and the fact, it's going to be able to achieve what it wants to do on the Fed funds rate side.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Got you. Well, look, I mean, returns are just phenomenal for the leverage commonly using. So, to think that they could get better is something that's really open. But I appreciate the patience and thanks for your comments.

Jay Lown

Management

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Operator

We have completed the allotted time for questions. I will now turn the call over to Jay Lown for closing remarks.

Jay Lown

Management

Thanks, everyone, for joining us on our second quarter 2022 call and we look forward to updating you in a couple of months for our third quarter results. Have a great evening.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.