Kevin McNamara
Analyst · Jim Barrett from CL King & Associates
Yes, I would say this. First of all, with regard to acquisitions, this situation has not gotten better. If you listen to these calls for about a year and a half period, I said, I would be personally surprised if we didn’t make a significant acquisition by the end of the year. The reason that I said that was, there were a number of hospice programs that were for sale, that we were aggressive in our pursuit of them. Our stats from the industry was such that, if there was one for sale they talk to VITAS before they made the final decision. But things have changed a little bit as a result of a couple of acquisitions, the Odyssey pricing, the Beacon hospice pricing, such that it’s just - when compared, we have a pretty high hurdle. We’re buying our own stock, we’re buying hospice when we buy our own stock at about 6 times EBITDA.I mean the questions is, do you want to take a chance, out there in the unknown of buying a hospice at 10 to 12 times EBITDA just in order to build census. And given the fact, if you remember, of all the type of acquisitions that I’ve seen, hospice is fraught with worry, I mean, you don’t get much when you buy a hospice. The patients die by, in short they’re almost by definition; there is no bricks and mortar. And referral source, I’d characterize those relationships are ephemeral. So you don’t get much, and have to accept the idea of paying it princely sum for them to get to a conservative acquirer, it just doesn’t get. So answer to your question is, with regard to hospice, no, I see pricing continue to be high, I don’t see us being real active in that front. On Roto-Rooter side, we’re always very active, the problem is that we’re down to now Roto-Rooter franchisees that have been within the same family stand for 2 generations. And they have a great deal; they pay a very low franchise fee for a great service mark. And again, when they are willing to contemplate the selling, we buy it and before that they’re just really not in the market. But we’re always, we drop anything to make a Roto-rooter acquisition because our experience in our acquisitions has been, it is everyone has been a winner. So having said that, no, I don’t anticipate great growth in 2012 by acquisition. That’s why we’ve expanded our new starts in VITAS, and again, we’ll stick into our meeting in Roto-Rooter and kind of grinded it out.