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Churchill Downs Incorporated (CHDN)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Sat, Aug 1, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Churchill Downs Incorporated Second Quarter Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I’d now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Courtney Norris, Director of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Courtney Norris

Analyst

Thank you, Ashley. Good morning, and welcome to the Churchill Downs Incorporated conference call to review the Company’s business results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2015. The Company’s second quarter business result were released yesterday afternoon in a news release that has been covered by the financial media. A copy of this release announcing results and any other financial and statistical information about the period to be presented in this conference call, including any information required by Regulation G, is available at the section of the Company’s website titled News, located at churchilldownsincorporated.com, as well as in the website’s Investor section. Let me also note that a news release was issued advising of the accessibility of this conference call on a listen-only basis via phone and over the Internet. As we begin, let me express that some statements made during this call will be forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are statements that include projections, expectations or beliefs about future events or results, or otherwise are not statements of historical fact. The actual performance of the Company may differ materially from what is projected in such forward-looking statements. Investors should refer to statements included in reports filed by the Company with the Securities and Exchange Commission for discussion of additional information concerning factors that could cause our actual results of operations to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made in this call. The information being provided today is as of this date only, and Churchill Downs Incorporated expressly disclaims any obligation to release publicly any updates or revisions to these forward-looking statements to reflect any changes in expectations. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Bill Carstanjen.

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Thanks, Courtney. With me today are several members of our team, including Bill Mudd, our President and Chief Financial Officer; Alan Tse, our General Counsel; and Mike Anderson, our Vice President of Corporate Finance, Treasury and Investor Relations. I’ll make a few general comments about the second quarter and then turn this over to Bill Mudd. After he is finished with his comments, we’ll be happy to take your questions. The Company delivered record net revenues, up 35% over second quarter 2014, and record adjusted EBITDA, up 34% over second quarter of 2014. We also generated first half cash from operating activities of $194 million, up 63% over prior year. The two most significant catalysts for this growth are our Big Fish Games division and the continued strength and growth of the Kentucky Derby. That said, our TwinSpires and regional casino divisions also made nice contributions in the second quarter and thus the Company is hitting on all cylinders. I will spend a brief moment on each division. To start, this year’s Kentucky Derby set all-time records for attendance, wagering and adjusted EBITDA. The Derby’s overnight TV ratings were the best in NBC’s 15 years of coverage, and the highest in 23 years. While all of this adds up to a very good year by any measure, we believe we have lots of room for improvement. We hope to continue building on cultural profile and profitability of the event. The team is already hard at work, planning for next year and implementing changes to improve our results. We were, of course, thrilled to see a Triple Crown winner with American Pharoah after the 37-year drought. To respond to a question we expect to be asked either on this call or in follow-ups, we think a Triple Crown winner probably doesn’t…

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Thanks, Bill, and good morning everyone. As you can see in our press release and from Bill’s opening remarks, we’ve set a number of second quarter records, including revenues, adjusted EBITDA, year-to-date cash generated from operating activities and Derby week profitability. Our net earnings declined 4%, primarily as a result of non-tax-deductible expense associated with the re-evaluation of the Big Fish earn-outs and deferred payments. Since Bill covered the highlights of the quarter, I’ll point out a few additional details by segment and then open the call for questions. Let’s start with Big Fish Games, the largest contributor to adjusted EBITDA growth this quarter. Big Fish second quarter bookings growth of 40% matched our first quarter growth rate, but varied by segment. Our casino segment grew bookings 31% year-over-year this quarter, driven by 24% increase in average paying users and a 6% increase in average bookings per paying users. While this growth rate is slower than we experienced in the first quarter, the growth is driven by adding new customers and maintaining a high retention of existing ones. We believe the slower industry growth is driven by broader awareness of the social games products available and the fact that the lower-hanging fruit has been picked. Regardless, we are still very pleased [indiscernible] organically growing business that is picking up market share. For those of you that look at quarter-to-quarter growth rates, be aware that the second quarter is a seasonally slower quarter driven by family vacations, bad weather and kids being out of school among a host of other reasons. Our Free-to-Play Casual bookings increased to 36.5 million, driven by the success of our Match 3 game, Gummy Drop! which is continuing to show nice week-to-week growth and is currently averaging more than $300,000 daily in bookings. Our premium bookings…

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Thanks, Bill. Ashley, I think we’re ready for questions if there any that are out there.

Q - Cameron McKnight

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for very much. A questions for Bill Carstanjen first. In your prepared remarks, with respect to the Derby, you mentioned there’s lots of room for improvement. Could you elaborate on those comments a little bit and give us some additional color there?

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Sure. I’ll keep my remarks brief because we can talk about this one for quite a while. To start, I think that we’ve learned a lot from the management and it’s taught us that there’s probably a fair amount of differentiation and experiences that we can offer our customers between, say, the millionaires row section and some of the premium dining areas, all the way up to the management. We think we’ve learned a lot more about the experiences that we can offer our customers in between those two different price points. But I think over time – over the near term, you’ll see us refine our offerings and come up with some new and innovative experiences that we can offer our customers on that front. Secondly, I think technology continues to really improve our horizons. I think the utilization of online wagering through TwinSpires and other platforms makes it easier for our customers to participate in the Derby, including onsite where, with a crowd of 170,000, there are lots of lines and there are lots of sticky points in the facility. Utilizing technology to reduce those Utilizing technology to reduce those lines and return that time to the customer helps drive our economics. So those are just two areas where I’d say you’ll see us make some tangible improvements in the near term.

Cameron McKnight

Analyst

Got it. Thanks. That’s great. And then moving on to Big Fish, Gummy Drop! is clearly doing very well. In broad terms, can you talk about the rest of the portfolio and its contributions to what were pretty strong results of this quarter?

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Sure. I’d say one way to think about the answer to that question is to look at our segments within Big Fish. We have our Free-to-Play segment, where Gummy is the largest contributor. There is a series of games below that, that don’t rise nearly to the materiality that you see with Gummy, but Fairway Blast, Fairway Solitaire, those are all solid contributors. Within our prepaid segment, there is just a slew of games and slew of offerings within there, none that I’d say that are material enough that we want to dive into too deeply. But the whole idea of the business really is consistent with those results. We have [indiscernible] approach. We are constantly testing and putting into the pipeline a series of different games, many of which are going to make marginal or modest contributions, and then you’ll see over time, hopefully one like Gummy that make more significant ones. So, there is a fairly healthy contribution of lesser games that we never talked about, but really the bigger, larger drivers are the ones that we do talk about.

Cameron McKnight

Analyst

Got it. That’s very encouraging. And then, finally just moving on to the question on margins. I mean, results were clearly very strong with strong sequential growth to the EBITDA inline. How should we think about margins and the flow-through of revenue growth going forward at Big Fish?

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Bill, why don’t you take that one, [indiscernible].

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

You know what, first of all, we don’t provide forward-looking guidance, first let me say that. And I think it’s hard to answer that question with one paintbrush. I think, if you take a game like Gummy Drop! – and that’s a great case study of how I think about this business. When you launch Gummy Drop!, the first few quarters of introduction, you’re going to lose a lot of money because if you’re spending – lets assume you’re spending three months of revenue to acquire a customer, you’re going to lose money until you get past that three-month period, right? And you get into months four, five and six. So, the second quarter for Gummy obviously was better than it was in the first quarter because you had all those customers that you paid to acquire from the time we introduced it to the end of March that you’ve got the benefit of the revenues, without those costs associated with acquiring those customers in the second quarter. So you if you look forward, let’s say we launch – and everybody knows we’ve got some games out in geographical lock in the countries that we’re testing – if you take a new game coming out like [indiscernible], and if we like the spread between the cost to acquire that customer and the long-term value of that customer, we may spend a whole bunch of money acquiring customers in one period, making that product unprofitable and then harvesting those customers in the future where you really get the return on those investments. So it’s really difficult to say that we won’t have periods where we will have a lot of expense to launch a new product that we feel strong about, but I can tell you that we’re very diligent. That’s where the – the key of this business is the quantitative analytics capability the team have that is second to none in my opinion with respect to how you invest those marketing dollars. Bill, is there something you want to add to that?

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

I would maybe summarize that a little bit by saying that nobody is more sensitive to the power of improving margins than I think Bill Mudd or myself. We grew up focusing on issues like that. We are focusing on metrics like that and we talk about them, focus on them quite a bit, in particular in our regional casino business. When you talk about Big Fish, you have to be careful and you have to be thoughtful about not losing sight of the bigger picture when you focus on margins. If you look at some of the competitors of Big Fish or other online mobile games, you can find companies out there where you can see they have higher margins. Well, as you get more mature games, they’re going to see improvements in margins because you’re not investing in marketing at the same level. When you’re in a scenario where you think you have games that you can grow and that you can scale and that can contribute long-term, then you’re going to have to [indiscernible] you are going to have to invest in marketing and that’s going to impact your margins, and that’s the right thing to do to grow this kind of business. So you have to take a little bit more of a longer-term view of margins, you have to look at it game by game, and you have to understand that quarter-to-quarter, measuring periods for things like margins can jump around a little bit depending on where in the life cycle you are with respect to a game and how significant that game is for your overall portfolio of games. But we do look at our margins very, very carefully. We’re pretty comfortable with them. And generally, I’d say the older, the more mature the game is, the better margins you’re going to see for. But hopefully, this is the right things long-term for the business. Hopefully, at the same time, you’re seeing improving and maturing margins by a particular game, you’re seeing new games come on board where it’s worth investing a lot because you think it you can grow them.

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

And there is one other point – and I don’t want to beat this to death, Cameron, but the one other point that I would make is that on the premium games and the free-to-play games, we use third-party developers, which get a share of the commission. Both games tend to have lower margins than, say, our casino games because our casino games are all in-house. We don’t pay anybody for those games. We build those ourselves. So the casino segment tends to have higher margins for that reason, but also because we’ve got 36-month retention patterns. We’ve got all these customers that we’ve retained, we don’t have to reacquire. So those margins are naturally higher too. There are lots of factors that go into it. So, I don’t want to paint it with one brush.

Cameron McKnight

Analyst

Got it. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Trivison of Gabelli and Company. Your line is open.

Adam Trivison

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Can you remind us – it’s looking like you’re going to hit the top end of the earn-out. How you plan on financing that?

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Yes, I’d be happy to. You saw that we ended the quarter at $640 million of debt. We have $1 billion of capacity right now. So, knowing that other $350 million, some of that is deferred, particularly to appealing the founder of Big Fish tough. We have the capacity in place today, Adam, to do that. That being said, the markets are very open to us right now. We have lots of opportunities. So we’re evaluating them right now. We went out and did a debt offering, maybe putting cash in the books, we’re not too interested in that. So we’re keeping eye on the debt markets and we’ll make the decision as we get close to the earn-out period.

Adam Trivison

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Thank you, great. And then with regard to the sequential slowdown in bookings you saw in the casino segment, could you provide a little more color? Do you think that’s all seasonality or were there some underlying deterioration in the metrics?

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Hi, it’s Bill Carstanjen again. I’m always careful about this because I think it’s easy to make up stuff that you think you’re seeing, and I don’t – we try never to run our business doing that. So I’d say that we suspect there might be a little more seasonality. We think we might be seeing a little more seasonality this summer than normal. The weather was nice. There’s some other factors. But we don’t know that for sure. But certainly seasonality is a phenomenon that’s recognized as a part of the rhythm of the social casino segment and broader, the game segment. So that’s a factor. But, I think also you just have to expect over time, you’ll see deceleration in growth. The social casino space isn’t going to grow forever at the rate it has been. So, from the very beginning, you have to be cognizant and expect that. How much of all that and how that still gets made, and how do all those pieces put together, we don’t really know for sure since it’s something that we don’t control. What we focus on is how do we make our product better so that we can still grow organically and we can take share. So we’re not only as good as the market, but we’re better than the market because we’re outperforming our peers. That’s really the culture and the mindset that we bring in all our businesses, and that’s why I was covering in my comment, some of the focal point for the Big Fish social casino division, what they’re doing to make their product better so it’s a more competitive product and stands up to whatever the trends are that we see. We may find next quarter, it bounces back again. I wouldn’t be surprised. But we don’t want to predict something like that and we don’t want to take it for granted. We want to make sure that we’re performing best in class.

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

And Adam, the way we look at it is, we’re going to look at it year-over-year, in the same quarter, rather than quarter-to-quarter because there is noise. It’s a relatively new industry, so you don’t have 30 years of data to show the seasonal effect of some of these products. But we have 24% more paying users than we had in second quarter of last year, and they’re spending on average 6% more. So those are the numbers we focus on and we look at those numbers relative to our competition, we feel good about though.

Adam Trivison

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Okay, that’s helpful. Then, one last thing. With regards to the growth you saw from Derby week, how much of that was related to the NBC deal, and I think there is some more step-up in that next year and maybe the year after? Can you detail that?

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

But we don’t release those numbers. NBC doesn’t want us to talk about what our contract is with them. But there was a portion – it was a minor portion of the $6 million in growth from the NBC contract. There is another step-up next year, and then we’re kind of flat for a couple years and there’s another step up later. That’s about all I can say on that point.

Adam Trivison

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Bill Mudd

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

Thanks, Adam.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] I’m not showing any further questions. I’d like to turn the call back over to management for any further remarks.

Bill Carstanjen

Analyst · Gabelli and Company. Your line is open

It looks like we’re all said for today. I want to thank all of you for your interest in our company and for those of you that are investors, your investment in our company. We appreciate it. We hope to keep delivering for you. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes today’s program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.