Rob Willett
Analyst · Needham & Company. Please go ahead
Yes. Thanks, Jim. I've spent a lot of time in the last two quarters out meeting with a lot of EV battery manufacturing companies. So, I can tell you that there's a huge investment going on in that industry, particularly in Europe and America. It's -- so Cognex has two really kind of vectors, I would say, on that growth. One is just building lines. These customers are building EV production lines to coat and cut in the line and stack and inspect EV batteries, right? And they're - I visited just in Europe last week, two companies that are investing over $1 billion to do that, right? Not all of it in automation, obviously, but real momentum. That is not a short-term thing, right? So - and machine vision is key to them doing that. So there's new lines, newbuilds where, as one would expect, Cognex is one of the preferred suppliers for what, is quite a challenging machine vision kind of a task that goes on. The second - so I think that's sort of the, if you like, the newbuild greenfield type scenario that we might be familiar with from other industries at Cognex. But there's a second thing going on, which is manufacturing of EV batteries is very competitive on the innovation side, but it's also pretty dangerous and legally concerning thing for these companies. So they're very concerned to inspect in quality. And we've been developing technology in that market that, is very advantaged both through the computational imaging company, we bought last year, SAC - actually, I should say in 2022. And then our deep learning technology, which help - those two technologies together allow us to image with incredible speed and definition scratches, dents, problems. And then diagnose them with deep learning technology, to see whether that's a problem or not. I visited a number of companies in the last six months, who have just said what an extraordinarily challenging and expensive task that is for them, where they're scrapping huge numbers of good batteries that, they're just concerned can become problems, cause fires, et cetera, for them later. So there are those two things going on, Jim, which is really, I would say, the sort of sweet spot of what Cognex is doing. On the downside, and I think this is what you're hearing and I think we're hearing it too, is there's anxiety. There's anxiety about will EVs be successful as we think? Are they perhaps niche kind of products for wealthy customers, or are they broadly going to cannibalize a lot of the internal combustion engine business that's out there? And I've - so that's kind of one issue. On the one hand, we will see the slowing sales of EVs and the relatively poor EV numbers reporting out of some of the big companies. So, I think there's a concern that they are becoming a little more cautious, the end-user consumers. And then there's another end user vector, which is one Chinese company, BYD, is talking about developing and selling a $12,500 EV car. So - and really selling it very broadly in some of the markets that perhaps in America, we're less focused on. So there's plenty to be interested in and confused on that vector. And then the final one, in terms of long-term demand, which we see with our customers too, is there is some concern about political changes and support for EV business, right? So most - one specific large EV producer from Asia, has certainly communicated that they're putting some of their investments in the U.S. on hold. Until they see more of a clarity in the political environment and what that means for some of the subsidies that they would be expecting to receive through the Inflation Reduction Act. Jim, it's a long answer, but I hope it's helpful.