David Rubenstein
Analyst · JP Morgan
Well, I think you made the great use of our one question, yes. So, let me try to take them first of all, do we think we’re late on credit, the answer that would be, I wish we would be further long where we are. I don’t we’re late really, we’ve got about $30 billion credit business. In the CLO business we’re I think number two, and we’re probably about the biggest issuer each year now of CLO. So in that part of the business we’re very strong, we’ve an excellent stress business as I mentioned in my prepared remarks we’re raising our fourth fund and the first three funds all want to carry with an average growth IRR of over 20%. So, we feel pretty good about that stress business, not as big as I’d like to be but it’s very successful. We’ve an energy mezzanine business, we’ve a BDC, we’ve a lot of the pieces, I think that we should scale better, we should be bigger and I think with Mark joining us, I think he will help us do that. I admit this is going to take some time, this is not all going to happen all at once. I would point out that in this time, may be back to your question about hedge funds as well. There is a difference on our credit businesses now as they’re really focused on the private markets rather than the public markets, areas where we think we’ve a very good expertise in the private equity business for example, it is virtually impossible for the equity to do well and the debt not to do well. And so, I think they tie together. Our vision is to build our credit business into one of the finest credit businesses in the world, we think with the base we’re starting from, the global network we have, we have 700 investment professionals around the world. We’re confident that we will be able to build into what our dreams are. May be when we started the hedge fund business we’ve high expectations about that business as well and in fact, early in the time we own the hedge funds they were wonderful performers for us having made hundreds of millions of dollars in 2011 and 2012 and that roughs approximate timeframe late, they performed very well. Now, I mentioned in my remarks that looked to me like the assets at the end of the year and hedge funds are going to be – in the range of a billion dollars. In terms of building or buying, I’d think so far we’re primarily build, Mark is running the segment, I’ve a lot of confidence in him so at the end spectacular idea in the buying segment, I think we look at it. But, I think our focus is probably going to be starting out on building.