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Cullen/Frost Bankers, Inc. (CFR)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 25, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Christy and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cullen/Frost Bankers first quarter earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) After the Speaker' remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Thank you. I would now turn the conference over to Greg Parker, Executive Vice President and Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Greg Parker

Management

Thank you. This morning’s conference call will be led by Dick Evans, Chairman and CEO, and Phil Green, Group Executive Vice President and CFO. Before I turn the call over to Dick and Phil, I need to take a moment to address the Safe Harbor provisions. Some of the remarks made today will constitute forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. We intend such statements to be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward-looking statements covered in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. Please see the last page of the text in this morning’s earnings release for additional information about the risk factors associated with these forward-looking statements. If needed, a copy of the release is available at our website or by calling the Investor Relations department at 210/220-5632. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Dick.

Dick Evans

Chairman

Thanks Greg. Good morning and thanks for joining us. It's my pleasure today to review Cullen/Frost 2012 first-quarter results. Our Chief financial Officer, Phil Green will then provide additional comments and after that, both of us will be happy to answer your questions. I am pleased to report that for the first quarter 2012, Cullen/Frost posted record high quarterly earnings, continued our strong deposit growth trends, returned to loan growth and saw improvement in all credit quality indicators. The record quarterly earnings reflects our ability to operate effectively despite regulatory changes and low interest rate headwinds and a slowly recovering economy. While we remain cautious about the economy and the slow recovery, we had a good quarter. Our net income was $61 million, up 17.5% over the $51.9 million reported in the first quarter of 2011. On a per share basis, we recorded $0.99 a share versus $0.85 during the first quarter of last year. First-quarter returns on average assets and equity were 1.23% and 10.59% respectively. Deposits continue to grow significantly. For the quarter ended March 31, 2012 average total deposits were $16.4 billion, up 13.3% or $1.9 billion over the $14.5 billion reported for the first quarter of last year. Half of our deposit growth continues to come from new relationships. 70% were new business customers, a result of our focused calling efforts. As you know new relationships are the foundation for future growth as economy continues its slow recovery. Net interest income for the first quarter of 2012 was $164.7 million compared to $156.6 million for the first quarter of last year. This increase primarily resulted from an increase in the average volume of earning assets. Obviously strong deposit growth helped and was partly offset by a decrease in net interest margin to 3.73%. The extra operating…

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Dick. I am going to make a few additional comments about our performance for the quarter and I will comment on our outlook for the year before I turn it back over to Dick for questions. Our 17.5% increase in earnings versus last year was driven by 3.5% increase in revenue and all that was from net interest income and we also had a 90% reduction in provision expenses, credit quality improved. And you add to that the operating expenses that were increased only 1.4% and you end up with our highest quarterly earnings ever. Needless to say, we’re really proud of what our people have been able to accomplish in a really tough interest rate and regulatory environment. Now as Dick noted, our net interest margin did drop three basis points for the quarter compared to the fourth quarter but as usual there are number of factors that impacted this both on the positive side and negative side. Our increased loans and investments that we made last quarter were two of the most significant factors which combined to add eight basis points to the margin. Offsetting factors included strong deposit growth which took six basis points off the margin and a little over 4 basis points from the lower loan yield versus the 4th quarter because of lower LIBOR rates and also more competitive loan pricing, particularly on the fixed rate side. Dick also mentioned our loan growth, which on a period-end basis was up on an annualized 6.6% from the fourth quarter and this was driven almost entirely by C&I growth which was up by $126 million or annualized 12.9%. And also since the end of the first quarter, our loans have continued to increase and they are currently a $104 million over the level at…

Dick Evans

Chairman

Thank you, Phil. We are now happy to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Brady Gailey of KBW.

Brady Gailey - KBW

Analyst · KBW

I just wondered on the loan growth, you have seen a decent pick-up this quarter, is there more of a factor of true loan demand or have you all made a decision to get more aggressive on loan pricing?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Well, we haven't gotten more aggressive on loan pricing. We just got some competition there, but it’s really a lot of hard work. I think the couple of things you need to understand, one of the things we obviously really focused, because in this environment there is really no place to go, at the same time obviously you want to keep great quality up. So what we’ve done is taken the approach to make sure that we’re looking at the opportunities across our company and where we might have been focused on builders in one market and we in that regard will move over and start building that another market and vice versa. We are not doing loans on like, I mean I talked a lot about this customer base; we’re building relationships and from the relationships we’re building from that standpoint. I think another thing that’s kind of fascinated to me is that I referred to it in my remarks about the in person call and the result of long opportunities. If you look back to the first quarter of 2008, it took about 5.3 calls in person to get a loan opportunity. And then it started, as the economy start slowing, it got up as high as 13, but really from about ’09 through second quarter of ‘11, it was about 10 and that’s drop back down to eight. All that’s a lot to say that number one, we’re making more calls, but we’re also getting more out of our calls. We’re getting to loan opportunities. We’re working hard to be very focused. The other thing Phil referred to the $126 million in growth and C&I loans what’s really important is that we’re seeing it’s really across the board and we’re seeing in the same sectors that we’re…

Brady Gailey - KBW

Analyst · KBW

Okay, thanks for the color Dick and I have a follow-up for Phil. Phil, could you just give us the level of cash that was on the balance sheet at the end of the quarter and any deployment of cash you did in for quarter and what’s your thinking going forward that would great? Thanks.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Lets say, we will use our debt balance as a proxy for where our cash level is and see I think as once been running has been I would say probably $1.5 billion today. It’s been building up. For the first quarter, it averaged about a $1.1 billion; we’ve moved it up to about like I said about $1.5 billion. We did make some investments in treasuries, but they were defensive in the first quarter. We invested about $1 billion into the treasuries at 37 basis points the main reason for doing that because we were concerned that that might move that rate down on the reserve balances and so that was a defensive move for us. So you can see that even putting $1 billion to work defensively in the two-year treasury this quarter, we are still a billion, or rather around $1.5 billion on liquidity today as we sit here. So deposits continue to be very strong, we got tremendous liquidity to employ and what we want to do is to do that on the loan side because we really don't see very much value at all in the fixed income markets.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Pancari of Evercore Partners.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · John Pancari of Evercore Partners

Hi this is (inaudible) for John. You NIM declined three bips in this quarter and (inaudible) give a sense of what your loan yields did this quarter and do you see any room for further reduction in your deposit costs. I believe they are at around 20 bips in the last quarter?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Okay. Well, if you look at the quarterly yield on loans what you see is that I think what you said was a little hard to hear but I think you said what were loan yields and then what's the opportunity to reduce deposit costs? Loan yields in the fourth quarter overall were 504, in the first quarter they were 494. So you can see there was about 10 basis points drop there in that as I mentioned earlier had an impact on our net interest margin. As far as opportunity to reduce deposit costs, it's really going to depend on what the market does because we are very disciplined about pricing writing and tend to think of it as more in the median of the market with major banks we compete against. We haven't seen much movement there. I think that we could see signs because then given general market levels and treasuries that could move down, but I don't think we will see much movement. Right now our deposit costs for interest bearing are 18 basis points that's pretty low and there is not a lot of room to move forward on that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · John Pancari of Evercore Partners

Just another question on the fee income. I noticed that’s up around 7% link quarter and see to trust fees up another 17% link quarter. Do you see that as the new run rate going forward?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think as Dick mentioned, there are a number of things that are going on, on the trust side we had an especially good quarter related to state fees and those fees particularly when you deal with larger fees, they tend to be lumpy because they are really based upon a state that comes into being because of someone's death. And so we had an unusually good quarter for that, our state fees for the first quarter in total were $860,000 which were up dramatically from the fourth quarter, they were only $87,000, a year earlier they were $438,000. So that runrate there obviously is a tremendous one which we’re not going to replicate on an ongoing basis. So you need to adjust out some of that increase in the state fee growth and be careful not to annualize that. The rest of it when you look at investment fees and investment fees are about 75% of the total of our trust fees, they had an extremely good growth rate in the teens and that was really a factor of the strong market that existed in the first quarter. I don’t think many people will expect the market to continue at that rate. So I think just the level of growth that we had in those fees, I think we will be representative of the market and typically we do a little bit better than market, but I don’t think we anticipate at this point having the same growth rate that we had in the first quarter. We would love to, we'd love to see the market do that but I think we want to be realistic about it as well.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank.

Dave Rochester - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank

So you talked about getting a little more aggressive on the loan pricing, can you talk about the pricing in the pipeline today and how those spreads compared to the prior quarter, just to give us some kind of sense for how much it is coming in?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Well, if you look at, we think you need to, you can’t look at all in just one thing. It is not one model thing it does it operates the same way. What I mean to say there is, I think, it’s aggressive in terms of competition all over the place. I think it's most competitive on the fix rate side. If you look at our pricing spread to [prime], let’s say comparing the first quarter and fourth quarter, we have actually got a favorable trend there. And we averaged a little over a 100 basis point spread to prime in total for new and renewed loans whereas in the fourth quarter, we were about 95-96 basis points. I think we have seen good discipline overall from our people as we price, loans that are more tied to floating index. It’s the fixed rate side that we see the most aggressive competition here and we have seen that tighten up some in the first quarter versus the fourth.

Dave Rochester - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank

And would that be on the order of maybe 25 basis points or would it be even more than that?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

You know I would say, actually 25 is quite on the higher side.

Dick Evans

Chairman

I think another thing you got to recognize is that you know we are really controlling our pricing exceptions and when we look at making a difference it's obviously looking at the quality of the customer and the total relationships, so it's not just a mathematical equation. And really making sure that we can build something and overall the value to the bank and to the customer is there. So it's a lot about value and not just the price, but we are paying a lot of attention to all the factors that go into the relationship with the customer.

Dave Rochester - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank

And just one quick follow up on the deposit side, I guess the growth slowed a little bit this quarter and was just wondering given your comments on business is feeling better and what not or at least incrementally better, is that slowdown a reflection of increased investments, use of cash for projects or is it just a reflection of just maybe a little seasonal weakness?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Well it's been so strong so long that I think you got a lot just kind of settling in, you know you are not going to go straight up forever and you have got – you know I think the business portion is, as I said earlier is starting to have a little more positive attitude. The economy is getting a little better and so you are getting a little bit of help from there. And I think we all need to remember that the natural state is for expansion. We've just been through a recession for the last four or five years and we kind of got our minds buried in that. But people like to expand and grow and so as economies are getting a little better, I think people are taking a little bit of cash and doing something with it. At the same time, I don't think you can come to the conclusion that all the cash is going to go away and the loans don't. I think its really what we’re saying. We have been saying this for a few years that once banks start to get better, you will see the loans coming up, the commitments coming up, the loans coming up a little and you will see a little ease in the deposit. But still, I mean we've got tremendous deposit growth.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

I wanted to ask, I think you mentioned Phil, the commentary about prepays higher on the MBS portfolio, was premium amortization, did that affect the yields in the first quarter on the MBS portfolio and then do you have a number for the yield there?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Well, let me think, premium amortization always will -- we don't have a tremendous amount of premium, I think we have in total on our portfolio $58 million in total premium.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

Okay.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

One second. Let me look and make sure I've got that totally right, but its not a very large amount and I think relative to and because we haven't bought premium bonds, but what I am really talking about is just the cash flow associated with pay downs; I mean if you look at the fourth quarter pay downs are running, this is October through December, they were around $38 million, $48 million and $45 million and then in the first quarter they were around $52 million, $52 million and $60 million. So you see there is a pick-up, and our total premium is about $54 million.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

Do you happen to have the yield for the MBS portfolio lending?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Think I do.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

I know the yields are shortly of….

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

On the MBS portfolio it currently yields at 321.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

And then, I want to ask on the provision for the quarter; was that essentially what was required for the new loan growth or was the provision a function or so the improved asset quality resulting then in your equation resulted in the lower provision. Can you give us any color around the provisioning this quarter and then any thoughts on what kind of provisioning might be necessary as you grow going forward?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Really, it’s the second one. Its held a formula computed and you know loan growth is a factor in that but actually loan growth is not a huge contributor to increases in the formula just because obviously your loss ratio on classified loans is extremely low. So its more what’s going on with the classified loans and some of the -- I call them [BC-201] factors which are the general factors.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee

I know there is an equation there, but assuming credit stays as good as or gets better, would the provisioning essentially continue to be pretty light even if you are growing your loan portfolio at a stable to even higher rate?

Dick Evans

Chairman

I think let’s just make a general comment here. I would say, we had continued improvement in credit quality like we have probably for your purchases, what I would say is we are probably not able to cut the charge offs in some of the quarters this year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of James Ellman of Ascend [Capital].

James Ellman - Ascend

Analyst

I guess most of my questions have been answered, but I was hoping if you could just give us a little bit of insight into where you expect the tax rate to fall out through the quarters, for the rest of the year?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think our tax rate for this year we assume is going to be about 22.9% around there, so just under 23%.

James Ellman - Ascend

Analyst

And what’s driving that from the fourth quarter of last year?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

In what way?

James Ellman - Ascend

Analyst

In terms of moving up or moving down?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think the fourth quarter of last year; it was down a little bit. It’s down a little bit from the fourth quarter last year and I think one of the things that happened in the fourth quarter, it’s a little bit inside baseball though we did had some non-deductible compensation because we have the divesting of certain stock awards for people that had reached age 65 and some of that is not deductible, so that tends to bump that up. And we didn’t have that in this quarter. So if I had to pick one thing that causes slight reduction in effective tax rate that’s what it would be.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan.

Preeti Dixit - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

Hi everyone, this is Preeti Dixit on for Steve. Just wanted a follow-up on some of the earlier questions; I know you said you are getting a little more aggressive on pricing, but can you talk specifically about what change maybe in the competitive environment; and I know in the past you talked on about pricing in terms of market not being favorable, so just curious if that competitive at all?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Not really.

Preeti Dixit - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

Okay, so it’s competitive environment pretty much where it was last quarter?

Dick Evans

Chairman

That’s correct.

Preeti Dixit - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

And then, could you just touch on whether the change in regulators should reduce your regulatory compliance cost at all and what impact if any you are expecting to the business from the change?

Dick Evans

Chairman

You know it’s not the reason that we are making the change, but I mean just the arithmetic of it is, I think it’s probably around a $1.3 million to $1.5 million on annual basis that you will see in lower fees because the, I mean it’s got less lower. But honestly, we would like to see ourselves employ that back into our business; there are a lot of things that we can be doing competitively in growing the business and we are not looking to just add that to penny a share and we are looking to plough that back.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Emlen Harmon of Jefferies.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst · Emlen Harmon of Jefferies

Just going back to the reserve and the provision quickly fermented; if we look it in a historical context, reserves kind of get into levels back where it was pre-cycle, back to kind of ‘07 levels. Give us a sense, I mean has the composition of the loan portfolio changed much or you think you can rumble low historical levels, how should we be thinking about that in historical context?

Dick Evans

Chairman

I think that you kind of answered your question in a way, if you analyze the first quarter it's 20 basis points. If you look historically, it runs somewhere in the 23 basis points to 24 basis points from the charge offs and as I already said, if you look at the composition of the loan portfolio, it's really the same mix, it's just more of them and so I think you just got to look to the bottom line of charge offs and as I have already addressed and kind of go from there.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst · Emlen Harmon of Jefferies

I guess my question was more specific to just reserve to loans but just based on your answer you know my guess would say that, you would say that historical levels are a pretty fair reflection of where it should be.

Dick Evans

Chairman

That's what I said.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst · Emlen Harmon of Jefferies

Okay.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Long term I mean the reserves are going to have adequate cover charge offs and charge offs move back to historical levels I mean there ought to be some correlations.

Emlen Harmon - Jefferies

Analyst · Emlen Harmon of Jefferies

And then on the loan growth fund, you know you mentioned a couple of times today, just seeing good trends on the energy side of things, could you give me a sense just of kind of what overall exposure or concentration is within the loan portfolio to the energy industry specifically and is there some level at which you would start to be concerned I guess about letting that grow further.

Dick Evans

Chairman

It's around 10%, it's been 9 something for sometime, so it's up a little bit. I think you've got to look deeper into the number, so the kinds of energy loans you are making, you got to remember that for our percentage, it includes production loans which is the majority part of that, but we’ve got some service and a little bit of trading companies. And so there is a lot of different of factors in that. As I talked a little bit about you’ve got to look at the prices of what’s happening to the commodity and you can see that we’ve focused on the [what] guess and that’s certainly been the right thing to do and they are still lot a good opportunities. This country, people on margin never the head screwed on right which probably won’t happen. We could drive every car heater, every house and the other thing with natural gas and would be dependant on other countries and really our concentrations of credit in all areas is how we manage the portfolio and have done that for many years. And we look at those percentages and our Chief Credit Officer reviews that with the Directors Risk Committee and we talk about it from that standpoint.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your next question comes from the line of Matt Olney of Stephens.

Matt Olney - Stephens

Analyst · Matt Olney of Stephens

Phil, on the insurance revenue you mentioned that the Contingent Commission's Bennett said that in the first quarter. Can you quantify how much that was in the first quarter?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Our contingencies and bonuses in total looks like around 2 million - three for contingencies.

Matt Olney - Stephens

Analyst · Matt Olney of Stephens

Okay and then also just circling back on the margin, obviously a lot of moving parts, but it sounds like the [varying] asset yields will continue to have some pressure but the re-mix of varying assets towards loans will help negate that, how do we think about the direction of the margin in the next few quarters?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think you said the factors and it is going to depend on the interplay on those. I mean, you are always, just because the deposit growth is so strong, you are always going to see some optical pressure on the margin because with the built liquidity, if we don’t see opportunities for good investments or if we can't employ it all in loans and I don’t think we will be able to do that. And just based upon deposit growth, so I think you are going to see some margin declines just from the growth in deposits over the next few quarters and as I said, I think, it’s some of the pressure is going to come from the investment portfolio just because there is really not a lot out there today given what the Fed's doing that we would like to go out and invest in. So we could see some leakage on our margin because of that and just going to depend on how good our loan growth is in terms of how much we are able to offset it. But I could sense, I sense some margin pressure probably. If you strip out the deposits, so probably a little margin pressure for the next few quarter just given the investing environment and what we are seeing in the portfolio.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy of Oppenheimer.

Terry McEvoy - Oppenheimer

Analyst · Terry McEvoy of Oppenheimer

I have listened about 20 of these calls over the last couple of weeks a lot. To cut costs, you guys actually have spent an additional million dollars just on advertising across the state. I guess the question is there a specific market where you feel like the Cullen/Frost name needs to be more -- be more visible. And so is it statewide or on a specific market? And then the second part of that question. Net interest income, sale quarter-over-quarter, you just mentioned some NIM compression. How are you looking at managing the expense base going forward in this challenging revenue environment?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Well, you know, you asked a lot of questions there. So first of all, with regard to the advertising that -- and I am interpret your question right, you were just sort of asking where you are dealing it, why you need to do that, and really the advertising that we are doing is to put ourselves in a growth mode in all of the major markets that we serve. You know we want to be in front of the customer enough times to be what we would consider and our marketing group would consider in a growth mode. And we have -- again if it’s a major market we are in, we are attacking it that way. And I think we are seeing some good results for. I mean look, this is really our time. And our reputations have never been better. I mean, just look at -- whether it’s from regulators, whether it’s from the J.D. Power and Associates, whether it is -- Dick mentioned if you remember but we won 21 Greenwich Associates awards on the commercial side. That was the highest an e-bank in the country rated A + from S&P today. I mean this is really the time for bank. Our value proposition resonates better than anybody else as frankly. And if you look at J.D. Power data, it will show it. And as Dick said many times, we want to come out the 80s that we were in better shoes, the market recognized we were in better shape faster than we did. And there was an opportunity that we could have taken advantage of if we had been more aggressive to come out of it. And so and the other thing I would say is we didn’t take TARP. And so that allowed us to continue, as Dick said many times, to be aggressive throughout the great recession. So I mean it is just our view that it’s really our time to be growing the business and building the foundation for a strong growth going forward, and now is the time to take advantage of that. And given the fact our profitability is so much, is really good and of course it’s higher than our peers. That's really what's driving us to have that vision. So that is higher, it’s higher in all the markets that we serve.

Dick Evans

Chairman

I was just -- Phil really answered your question and our positioning in this market. It is a great opportunity and the other thing I mentioned how many people are frustrated with the too-big-to-fail banks because they paid no attention to the customer. And if they can experience any product with us, they then find this place is different. And it’s a great opportunity to expand our businesses as Phil has gone through and we should be doing this. And that's what we've done as you know since the end of ’08, we've increased our balance sheet -- or end of ’07, we've increased our balance sheet 50%. We've grown these new relationships and so this is the time to spend some money and build it. You can't cut enough expenses to grow your profits, and you also destroy the basis of your company. I won’t mention things, but you’ve got, I mean you can see companies there is a few too big deferral companies that are blowing themselves up right now.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

That’s right and with regard your question with regard your expense control, I mean look we know that you’ve got to be in delta as you manage your business and we have had challenges over the last few years. But I think what you’ll see is the money that we’re spending, where we’re moving for aggressively has to do with marketing our company, our customer service, our distribution and those kinds of things to move the business forward. Now, other expenses we’ve been -- we are good expense managers and we are careful about it. One of our strategic priorities is to reduce some necessary expenses, but we don’t do with a lot of hoopla. I’ll give an example, like over the last 24 months we’ve reduced our cost of item processing for deposit accounts by 38% that’s a huge number. We have seen salary and personnel cost associated were down 57% that’s a result of utilizing better technology and additional technology on the image side. So I mean that’s a significant reduction in expenses. And then those are the kinds of things that we’re doing all the time. Are going to look at our expense structure moving forward? We got to make sure that our distribution is in the right place, that we’re as efficient as we need to be, yes, we are. But we’re not going to do it as a means to an end; we’re going to do as a part of just running the business effectively as we go through this period of time and go forward. At the end of the day, and we said this many times, expense reductions have got to be managed well, they are going to make the dreams come true. It’s going to make the investor’s dreams comes true with our company; it’s continuing to prosecute our value proposition, stick by our philosophy and we have ultimately got to repair our loan to deposit ratio from that 40% somewhat we have today up to where it was two, three years ago. That’s really I think at the end of the day what we need to be more focused on.

Dick Evans

Chairman

I’ll tell you when we started managing the expenses good, 144 years ago when this company began and we do it everyday.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Brady Gailey of KBW.

Brady Gailey - KBW

Analyst · Brady Gailey of KBW

Thanks guys. I just had a follow-up for Dick. Dick, if you look in Texas in the first quarter, you saw two decent size acquisitions, Prosperity took American State and Paul Murphy took Encore. I mean I know you guys are aggressive lookers, conservative buyers, but you do have some excess capital. I mean if you think you are closer to pulling the trigger on acquisition at today’s pricing in Texas?

Dick Evans

Chairman

I think you answered my question. We are aggressive lookers and conservative buyers and we are going to continue.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jennifer Demba of SunTrust Robinson.

Jennifer Demba - SunTrust Robinson

Analyst · Jennifer Demba of SunTrust Robinson

A follow-up on Brady’s question, it seems like the last, at least the last few acquisitions, you guys have done have been in metro markets, is the smaller metropolitan or rural market hold any interest for Cullen in the State of Texas?

Dick Evans

Chairman

I wouldn’t take it out of interest; but certainly you know where our focus is; where 70% of the population is; where the average income is higher and where the growth rates are higher and that’s where our priority is.

Operator

Operator

I will now turn the conference back over to Dick Evans for closing remarks.

Dick Evans

Chairman

Well, thank you for your interest in our company. We will continue to work hard for you. And this concludes our first quarter 2012 conference call.