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Cullen/Frost Bankers, Inc. (CFR)

Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 26, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Brandy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cullen/Frost Bankers Third Quarter Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) Thank you, Mr. Greg Parker. You may begin your conference.

Greg Parker

Management

Thank you. This morning’s conference call will be led by Dick Evans, Chairman and CEO, and Phil Green, Group Executive Vice President and CFO. Before I turn the call over to Dick and Phil, I need to take a moment to address the Safe Harbor provisions. Some of the remarks made today will constitute forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, as amended. We intend such statements to be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. Please see the last page of the text in this morning’s earnings release for additional information about the risk factors associated with these forward-looking statements. If needed, a copy of the release is available at our website or by calling the Investor Relations department at 0220-5632. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Dick.

Dick Evans

Chairman

Thank you, Greg. Good morning, and thanks for joining us. It’s my pleasure today to review Cullen/Frost’s third quarter 2011 results. Our Chief Financial Officer, Phil Green, will then provide additional comments. After that, we’ll be happy to answer your questions. Cullen/Frost continues to produce steady results in a challenged economy and extended low interest rate environment. Our solid results are a credit to our employees. We remain focused on providing the best possible service to our customers. During the third quarter, our net income was $54.5 million compared to $55 million reported in the third quarter of 2010. On a per share basis, our earnings were $0.89 per diluted common share, about equal to $0.90 per diluted common share one year ago. Return on assets and equity were 1.15% and 9.79% respectively compared to 1.25% and 10.49% for the same period of 2010. Included in our quarterly results are two unusual items during the quarter the company corrected an under accrual of taxes from incorrectly deduct in premium amortization on municipal bonds since 2008. This resulted in the unusually high effective tax rate in the third quarter of 30.3%. As a result, the corporation recognized additional income tax expense totaling $6 million. This was offset in part by a $4.2 million after tax net gain on the sale $32.6 million in long term duration municipal securities during the quarter. Now let’s take a look at deposits which continues to be strong. For the third quarter of 2011, average total deposits were $15.4 billion, an increase of $586 million over the previous quarter and $1.1 billion more than the $14.3 billion reported for the third quarter a year ago. Our disciplined calling and team selling efforts continued to expand our customer base which should drive our future growth. Nearly half…

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Dick. I’ll make a few additional comments concerning our operations for the quarter including our tax adjustment, gain on sales securities, our net interest margin dynamics and after that I am going to turn it back over to Dick for questions. Regarding the margin, we saw a drop of 14 basis points for the second quarter but once again this reflects the liquidity build up from our tremendous deposit growth. On a linked quarter annualized basis, our deposits were up 16% in the third quarter. If you look at demand deposits they’re up at 32% annualized growth in the third quarter. Demand now represents over 38% of the deposit base of the company and it helps illustrate the success we are having in building new depository relationships and along that line I wanted to echo the comments Dicks made earlier that 43% of our total year-over-year core deposit growth comes from new relationships, that is people who have previously had no depository relationship with us. Now when you look at the commercial component of that growth 58% of the annual growth came from new depository relationships. So again, we’re having success in building new relationships. Now going back to the 14 basis point drop that we had in margin, the linked-quarter deposit growth of about $600 million helped drive a $900 million increase in our quarterly – an increase in the quarter for our Fed account. So as the liquidity cost us 20 basis points on the margin, remember we’re down 14. So helping offset the impact of this reduction was the redemption of $150 million in banks sub debt procuring an interest rate of just under 7% and that added 4 basis points to the margin. And then also we had a reduction in the cost of interest…

Dick Evans

Chairman

Thank you, Phil. We are now happy to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Ken Zerbe with Morgan Stanley.

Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Just I was hoping if we can get a little more color on your views on competition in the Texas market. I think I heard the phrase that your competitors have lost their way.

Dick Evans

Chairman

Correctly.

Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

We have seen a lot of growth, I mean, not just in Texas but throughout the country for most of the banks. I do feel broadly speaking that people are just, that they are giving up too much on structure or price or both or?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Out of the last quarter, 60% was related to what we consider too low prices and 40% was structured. You can say that’s a positive that there is less in structure but both are something that I think is particularly not good for this country and a very weak economy. As you may have talked to us back in the heyday of ’08 or ’07 or whenever. We also reported to you certain numbers of pricing and structure. You can understand that a little bit better when the economy is blowing and going. But when you do that kind of thing in a weaker economy I think it could create a bubble, I hope not. But it’s not getting primarily. It’s in the business side. Everybody is chasing that C&I bone. I think we’ve done a good job. I am pleased with having grown $200 million in C&I loans over the last year.

Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. That makes sense. And then just how much of the secured -- the lower NIM was a result of security repricing, because I think you mentioned the cash increase was 20 basis points all in, but how much are we are seeing on the MBS side?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Well, actually if you looked at the investment portfolio on linked-quarter basis, our yield in the second quarter was 79, yes 479, and in the third quarter it was a 488. So it actually went up and one of the things that happened is we had the maturity of $200 million and what were originally two year treasuries that were yielding 1%. Those came off. So we saw the taxable component of our treasury, taxable component of our securities portfolio grow from 351 yield to 357. So I wouldn’t say we took much as it relates to the investment portfolio. I think the liquidity piece of it was most of it. Long-term yield dropped a little bit, went from a quarterly average of 5 out of 499, but we also saw about the same drop in terms of interest-bearing deposits went from 25 basis points to 22. So I do think that the three factors that I mentioned capture most of the margin change?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

Dick, you gave a number that commitments were up 22% year-over-year. Could you talk about how those trended in the third quarter versus second quarter, and then secondly, businesses in Texas has more cautious. Why do they want higher commitment levels here?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Well, I think a lot of it is because we have been pressing harder. I am talking about Cullen/Frost commitments are up. As I told you, when we entered the recession, you remember we didn’t take TARP money. So, we had strong capital, lots of liquidity. So we became very aggressive about calling on prospects and customers and so that is – that’s one of the reasons. Just to look at the numbers, let’s say, year-to-date, our commitments are up 24% and I mentioned, and nearly all our regions and primarily driven by commitments and C&I were up 22%. Let me see if I have a quarterly -- the third quarter the commitments had slowed. They were essentially flat with the second quarter. It’s interesting, you know that, we see all this volatility and if you look at these numbers, yes I told you that the portfolio had grown at a rate of 5.4% year-to-date. In fact for the third quarter, it grew $89 million or that’s an annualize rate of 9.3%. I just said you get volatility. So don’t get locked into the 9.3. But commitments go up and they will close the loans, which happened in the third quarter. I just said to you commitments went down in the third quarter but the closings went up, which isn’t unusual to go through that. I mean I’d love commitments to go up every quarter and outstandings go up, but you want to get the loan and you close it and then you start hustling for another one. That makes --

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

Yeah, that make sense. I want to follow-up. When you look at the deposit growth, where are all the funds coming from? Is it other banks? Is it non-banks, it’s just remarkable how much cash the industry is taking in?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

No I think. We get a lot of customers from other banks. Yes, I think that’s clear. When you look at, say on the commercial side, 58% of our growth as I mentioned, comes from new relationships and new deposits. People who weren’t depositing with us before. And as you imply, they were doing business somewhere. Kind of say, they were depositing some place. So I think we’re doing a great job on that. You know, you’re seeing people continuing to build liquidity, that means what is it, 42% of the growth in our commercial customers has come from people holding higher balances, is the same customers holding higher balances. It is more dramatic than that on the consumer side, we still have much more in terms of current customer average deposit growth in terms of their individual accounts as opposed to new customers, although we are growing new customers there. So as I said last quarter, I think that when we get the economy turnaround, we’re going to see a reduction in average balances because these balances you know that people are holding are unusually high, but the positive news I think that we’re holding on to is that our good relationship growth that we can offset, what’s going to happen in terms of the decline in balances from normalization of balance levels by new customers. And as I said before, when you go back and look in the early 2000s when we had the recession there and then we came out of it, we worried about because we had such great deposit growth at that time also, that we see a drop in deposits and actually what happened was we had a flattening and we took off with growth after that and we’re hopeful that because we’re doing such a good job, growing a relationships. We’ll see a similar trend when things turn around.

Dick Evans

Chairman

Just to add a couple of things. Phil is giving a lot of good detail, just kind of 50,000 feet just remember you know last time it was 57% from, on the individual side were new customers. This time it is 43 and you know we are giving all these numbers. Just think, about half of our deposits are coming from new customers. The other thing I would say to you is we’ve said many times before, we’ve focused on the big guys in the state, that’s were they have 55% of the four competitors. The four competitors above us have 55% of the market and that's really who we go after and compete with.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan

Maybe just one final one for Phil, I might have missed this. You said the securities went to 4.89, what's your opportunity, what rate are you investing for your three-year duration you talked about.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Honestly, on the new stuff you are looking at around 1.5% on average. So coming out of the 25 basis points and the Fed account into that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brady Gailey with Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Brady Gailey - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: I was wondering if you could provide an update on Durbin. You know I think in the past, you guys have said it would be a hit of roughly $4 million a quarter, I mean you haven't had that long, but you have had about a month of Durbin being under effect, are you still comfortable and do you still think that the $4 million burden is the right number?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think it’s higher. I think it’s going to around 5. One of the things we saw was competitively what the retailers have done and how they are directing payments and we are seeing more leakage, not just from what the Fed did, but from the retailers as well. So I think it’s closer to five now. Brady Gailey - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: You know you are seeing a lot of the larger banks put in place debit fees, have you all thought about that as a possibility for Frost?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

No we have not. Brady Gailey - Keefe, Bruyette & Woods: Then on another topic, the topic of buybacks, you know we saw one of your peers, First Financial out of Abilene announced this morning a buyback, I was just wondering that your capital continues to grow, your stock has gotten a little cheaper from where we set this time last quarter, is the buyback a realistic possibility for you guys?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Well I mean the buybacks are something that’s the tool. I mean we have used them in the past, we go back 10 years 15 years and we have had them at various times and we typically use them when we haven’t had use for the capital in other ways. The thing is a little different this time. We’ve said this before is that until we get a little more visibility on what regulatory capital is going to be required and the kind of volatility that capital as a result of the OCI for example are including that in capital on the Basel III, we are being careful with the capital position that we have. And so we, you know, it’s something that we, you know, it’s our job. We think about that kind of thing, but where we are right now on the balance is that we feel like we are going to keep a little stronger capital until we get a little bit better visibility and then we will do the right thing on capital at some point, we are going doing it right now, but at some point if it includes buybacks, we would use them.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan.

Bob Patten - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan

Most of my questions have been asked, but I think here is a question, with the commitments being up so much you guys, a lot of success there, are you able to get unused fees with these commitments so you’re at least compensating for capital?

Dick Evans

Chairman

We work hard at it. And yes we have improved it substantially. There is more room to in that regard. But yes, we do some of it. We try to do all of it.

Bob Patten - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan

Okay. And I guess following up on Steve’s question because I was just trying to figure where this cash is coming from, when you open accounts, do you go through a series of questions and ask are you coming from a competitor bank, I mean is there any indication from you guys this cash is just been pulled out of the market and thrown in to safekeeping or is it actually people are frustrated with their banks changing deposit services, is there any feel there?

Dick Evans

Chairman

There’s some of all of it, but I think though that, we don’t get a sense of people who are coming out of the market you know for example the stock market and coming into the banks, I think what we are seeing is like people just moving from other places and people that are generating cash in their business are really not doing much with it and so would you seen it build up and we don’t get a sense that it’s people liquidating out of the stock market for example and coming into the banks. Also we are seeing, you know as this cash fills up and as I reported the success of our investment fees and they are doing a great job and you know there are other people going into the market and we are proud of the job that our investment group are doing and the different choices I have.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brett Rabatin with Sterne Agee.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin with Sterne Agee

Wanted to ask on the securities portfolio on the taxable side, may be Phil, can you give us some idea of how much cash flow you’re kind of expecting over the next year.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

If you give a minute, I might could look it up. One of the things that we think about in terms of the mortgage-backed securities, I think our cash flow on that turns to be about $50 million a month or so. That includes including prepayments and regular maturities, I’d say it runs around $50 million, may be a little bit less a month. So if you were to look at over the next 12 months, prepayments and regular maturities I am showing about $0.5 billion in maturities, cash flow from that.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin with Sterne Agee

Okay. And then I missed the language around – comment on buying for duration securities in the fourth quarter. Obviously, a large amount $3.6 billion at the quarter or after the end of the quarter I think you said. How much are you buying and then I think you mentioned like 1.5% yield on what you were investing, was that correct?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, it looks like around that may be a little bit under that and we haven’t really bought all of what we may buy. I think we might see may be two-thirds of that liquidity invested. I mean it will be high-quality stuff but – the thing that’s happening is as I said, we saw almost $1 billion in our Fed account quarter-to-quarter on a linked basis, so if you’re not doing something, you’re just going to continue to have that increases in liquidity.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin with Sterne Agee

Okay. So you’re going to drain most of the liquidity this quarter as I understand?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I would say, we’re looking at something we haven’t done this much yet, but we’re keeping around $3.6 billion is where we hit and we could be a little over half of that.

Brett Rabatin - Sterne Agee

Analyst · Brett Rabatin with Sterne Agee

Okay. And then just lastly thinking about the tax rate going forward, obviously the large municipal bug has an impact on that, but any thoughts on the tax rate going forward would be any different or is it going to be similar to may be 2010?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think this year we said it would be – if we didn’t have any adjustments it have been around 21.5%. I think that’s about right.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Terry Mcevoy with Oppenheimer.

Terry Mcevoy - Oppenheimer

Analyst · Terry Mcevoy with Oppenheimer

Thanks, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. And the first one, quite a few banks are announcing call it expense reduction initiatives; anything going on at Cullen/Frost or you are paying a closer attention to expenses given the revenue outlook. And well I am asking about expenses, the advertising brand promotion which you mentioned earlier did go up in the quarter; is that really to take advantage of some of the disruption and going after clients that you called them the big four, the big five within the State of Texas?

Dick Evans

Chairman

As we mentioned Terry when we started this year, we made a commitment we think there is a great opportunity to build the base of this company for the long-term with some outstanding customers and that’s the reason we committed to this program which we have been doing all year, and you are correct, it was $2.2 million in the third quarter and we’re committed to continue and its working well for us. And we continually on expense management in general, we’ve said to go you before I mean there is no new expense over $10,000 that Phil and I don’t both approve; let in to be act like the government that is really to ask our people to see if its the right decision. And we probably approved 99% of it and so I think there is a good expense discipline, but certainly in this environment you’ve got to look at all the time trying to improve your expenses. And so I think we managed it well, can we do better, yes, and we’re always looking to. Phil, do you have any additional?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

No, I think you’re right. I mean some people are closing you know a significant amounts of branches there, you know they’re – I don’t know what all they have done, but they have specific programs that they are putting in place to reduce expenses. Ours has really been more a program of just we want to reduce unnecessary expenses and I think we have done a pretty good job of that and we’ll take individual pockets here and there and make improvements on. So I think we’ll continue to see some of that and you know just like Dick said, I mean we really think we have an opportunity here given our reputation, our value proposition in the state that we’re in or markets that we’re in to take share. And so we’re committing some money in this period of time to do that so that's really been more of our focus. But the underlying assumption is that revenue is tight or hard to grow and so what you’re doing about expenses and that's not lost on our people.

Terry Mcevoy - Oppenheimer

Analyst · Terry Mcevoy with Oppenheimer

Just one other question, Dick you talked about over regulation and uncertainty in Washington limiting hiring plans, investment and essentially loan demand. Do you get a sense that we’ll see kind of a springboard effect once there is some clarity and that's really how you are positioning that the company to be prepared for that specific event?

Dick Evans

Chairman

Well, certainly as you know this is a 143 year old company and what I am most pleased is we have good steady consistent results through different times in the cycle. Certainly, we are affected a little bit here and there, but and you know and you don’t have no time for me to talk about what I think about Washington, but I don't think anything is going to happen for a year till the next election. And you know its just we just got to holding here and right through it. I am pleased in this environment of how we are building the base of this company and I think that we talked to you a lot about relationships and we talked about relationships we are talking and those numbers we have talked about in deposits of about 50% growth in new relationships. That means -- that’s not just somebody coming in and putting $200 in an account, that’s moving their primary account to us. And so that’s building the base and Phil gave you the numbers of businesses so while those businesses are cautious, as this economy starts to get better and this – it is all about confidence across this country and it’s about – and you’ve got to have that in order to build jobs and with a bigger base we will see a lift, and I don’t think that’s going to happen overnight, no. But it could be very important to us and if you could.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Jennifer Demba with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

David Grayson - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Jennifer Demba with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Hey good morning everyone. This is David Grayson in for Jenny. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to start with the deposit growth that you have seen, it’s been a good bit of time talking about where that’s coming from, your marketing efforts driving a lot of that. And if I look forward in my model and try to figure out some estimate perhaps in margin, I guess the question I am asking is do you expect this deposit growth to be similarly strong over the next several quarters and you know can you expect that to drive similar margin pressure in the near-term?

Dick Evans

Chairman

It is hard to say what deposits are going to do. I mean they’ve been so strong for so long. You just think that they’re going to be some moderation of that at some point. But that’s hard to say. What we tend to do as we think about the margin is we sort of put that as separate bucket optically. I know you’ve got a model that you got to run and you have my empathy with that. But we’ve got this optical effect of growing liquidity and growing deposits and investing those in, with this Fed account of 25 basis points or you know, say we do some investment that we are talking about. Or for doing loans where you know you could end up helping your margin. I mean, anytime if you get that liquidity increase, you just need to kind of feel that out because it doesn’t cost us any money. Alright? Start reducing our net interest income and the things that are going to drive real net interest income growth are going to be, you know, or you doing any investing, 25 basis points into something, like we talked about certainly loan growth, I mean you know all this. The loan growth is the other factor, if you can’t decide what you can see there. And then some people talked about the investment portfolio, what are we going to see there because obviously we can’t replace the yields we got there in the current market and I think we said we have $0.5 dollars over the next 12 months, might be our rough estimate of what comes out there.

David Grayson - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Jennifer Demba with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Right. And I guess a quick clarification kind of along the same topic. Phil, earlier in your comments you mentioned the positive offset to the excess liquidity of the margin. There was four basis points for some debt maturity and then two basis points for something I didn’t catch that, I just want to clarify.

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

Okay. That was lower deposit cost in customer repo, the cost.

David Grayson - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst · Jennifer Demba with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Okay, all right. Thank you, that’s helpful. And then one follow-up if I might. You guys opened three branches and we’re seeing no other comments or uptick in your occupancy and equipment line item. Is this a pretty good run rate going forward and what may be or in the near-term branch expansion branch?

Phil Green

Chief Financial Officer

I think we’ll probably see a similar amount of branches for the next 12 months. You saw the past 12. So you’re going to continue to see some growth there. It’s really the branches. I think you got to understand with branches because you talked about branches and look at what some people. If you got a bunch of -- you’ve got too many branches, we don’t have too many branches in this market. We’re very selective. The analysis that we do, make sure we have a mix of business and retail customers. As you know half of our deposits come -- our individuals and half of our businesses. And so we’ve built our branch in markets like that. We’re very selective and we’ve been consistent. We’re going to keep what we’ve been doing, just any expansion to take advantage. You take some markets like Dallas and Houston. It’s -- there’s another life time good work we’re getting there. And we don’t try to build all at once but we try to be consistent and steady in what we’re going and it’s paying off.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan.

Bob Patten - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan

You’re certainly getting, probably one of the guys will comment on this but if I look all those things that are impacting Cullen/Frost from Durbin and another regulatory changes and that doesn’t include overtime you guys are spending interpreting those rules. In your view, how are the 5 or 6000 banks below you dealing with all this stuff and if the outlook that you guys are kind of given is keep grinding away, don’t change our standards seems to me that these little guys are either in denial and you’re probably looking at some of these for future growth, but it’s getting worse and worse, in my view for the smaller banks with all these advent to change happening?

Dick Evans

Chairman

It’s a very difficult situation and concerns me greatly because I think it will hurt the growth of this country and capitalism, but I do think the banks of 500 million and assets and less are at risk. Now as we go forward, there is entrepreneurship working and they’ll be firms that come together to help them outsource some of these complaints issues. You can’t outsource Reg-Q and paying interest on demand deposits, right now it’s a non-event and probably the next couple of years, you tell me how long interest rates are going to stay at zero. It’s a not a big effect, but long term it is and that’s something to consider and if Basel III and mark-to-market of the portfolio goes through, that’s a another big hit, so you can deal with some of it by outsourcing if you are a small bank, it’s a problem in this country.

Bob Patten - Morgan Keegan

Analyst · Bob Patten with Morgan Keegan

Yeah and I guess you won’t hear the regulators or the administration say it, but it is almost as if they don’t want as many banks to exist today?

Dick Evans

Chairman

But I have confronted them on that. If their desire is for the United States to have four or five banks like Canada, they are doing a hell of a good job. They of course won’t admit that. If you look at the regulators, they are so buried. There is 339 of Dodd-Frank out of 400 interpretations that have not come forward. There are 126 issues that missed the deadline that regulators couldn’t make the deadline. And so they are spending too, probably one of the biggest concerns is the conflict between regulators. You know the SEC says one thing and the Fed will say another thing or OCC or FDIC and I know they are addressing those issues to try to get some consistently, so it’s just Dodd-Frank was a terrible bill. Did we need some correction in the financial industry, yes we did. But we needed people to sit down and find the right answer and we are not getting that. You know I am not talking about republicans or democrats or the White House, I am talking about everyone of them. None of them. On the debt crisis that we had in August, you can go visit any kindergarten class in the United States and you will find more working together and finding better ways than we saw in Washington and we've got on November the 23rd, they hope to sit down and find where they are going to get their $1.5 trillion and if they don't get it on the 31st, there are some triggers that just happen. And so it will be another circus that we will watch going up to November 23. So we are in a mess right now and it’s sad for America. We need Americans to go to Washington and do what’s best for their country not their party or their self interest.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time.

Dick Evans

Chairman

All right. Well we appreciate your interest in our company and your support. We stand adjourned.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.