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Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 31, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the CEVA Inc. Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions) After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. (Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Richard Kingston. Please go ahead.

Richard Kingston

Management

Thank you and good morning everyone. Welcome to CEVA's second quarter 2012 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Gideon Wertheizer, Chief Executive Officer of CEVA; and Yaniv Arieli, Chief Financial Officer of CEVA. Gideon will cover the business aspects and the highlights of the quarter, Yaniv will then cover the financial results for the second quarter of 2012, and will provide financial guidance for the third quarter and fiscal 2012. I'll start with the forward-looking statements. Today's conference call contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, as well as assumptions that if they materialize or prove incorrect, could cause the results of CEVA to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements and assumptions. Forward-looking statements include financial guidance for the third quarter and full year of 2012, market data from ABI Research, Gartner Research, Strategy Analytics, and Wireless Intelligence incorporated herein; optimism about our royalty revenues generally, growth in the 3G space, particularly with smartphones for emerging markets; and our advances in small cells, LTE advanced and 4G LTE spaces, and our ability to capitalize on these trends. The risks, uncertainties and assumptions include the ability of the CEVA DSP cores and other technologies to continue to be strong growth drivers for us. Our success in penetrating new markets and maintaining our market position in existing markets; the ability of products incorporating our technologies to achieve market acceptance; the effect of intense industry competition and consolidation, global chip market trends; the possibility that markets for our technologies may not develop as expected or that products incorporating our technologies do not achieve market acceptance, our ability to timely and successfully develop and introduce new technologies, and general market conditions and other risks relating to our business including, but not limited to those that are described from time to time in our SEC filings. CEVA assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information, which speak as of their respective dates. With that said, I'd now like to turn the call over to Gideon.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you Richard and welcome everyone. I’m pleased to be able to share with you the results for another well executed quarter. CEVA total revenue for the second quarter was $13.6 million, slightly higher than the midpoint of our guidance range. License revenue was particularly strong, at $5.4 million, which represents the best quarter to our licensing business in more than three and a half years. We secured eight license agreements for a range of market applications, including the first lead customer of our in U.S. baseband and communication DSP, the CEVA XC4000. Three of the license agreements were in the U.S. and the rest in Asia-Pacific region. As anticipated, royalty revenue was $7.6 million. This reflect the handset industry first quarter shipment, which was affected continuously more with seasonality, than as is currently being the case. According to Gartner, this was the first time since 2009, as the handset market experienced a decline on a year-over-year basis. Our royalty revenue also reflects pricing pressure in the competitive 2G market, and weakness of Nokia mobile phone segment, which we discussed in detail during the first quarter earning call. Despite the softness in royalties for mobile devices, we were able to offset it by securing licensing agreements with key customers for new design of next generation mobile products. In addition to contributing to our topline revenue for the quarter, licensing agreements fuel our future royalty strength and open up further opportunities to extend our foothold in our customer new design. The fundamentals that stimulate growth in the mobile market remains strong, with numerous opportunities to expand and differentiate. As a result, incumbents in new corners must develop and implement initiatives for designing highly integrated chips with the DSP playing a central role in communication and multimedia processing. Our DSP technology provides…

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Thank you, Gideon. I will start by reviewing the results of our operations for the second quarter of 2012. Revenue for the second quarter was $13.6 million, at the midpoint of our revenue guidance, reflecting a 6% year-over-year decline. The revenue breakdown is as follows, Licensing revenues was $5.4 million, reflecting 39% of our total revenue, 9% sequentially higher, and the highest signal we have recorded in the last two and half years. Royalty revenue was $7.6 million, reflecting 76% of total revenues, and down 17% sequentially, as Gideon just explained. Service revenue was $0.6 million, reflecting 5% of total revenue, compared to $0.9 million, which we recorded in the second quarter of 2011. Our total gross margin were 93% on both U.S. GAAP and non-GAAP basis as forecasted. Our non-GAAP total gross margin excludes approximately $50,000 of equity based compensation expense. Our total operating expenses for the quarter were $9.4 million, at the lower end of our guidance, which included an unrelated equity based compensation of approximately $1 million. Our total operating expenses for the second quarter excluding equity based compensation expenses were $8.4 million, reflecting also the low end of our guidance range and at similar level to the operating expenses for the first quarter of this year. U. S. GAAP operating margin for the second quarter declined to 24% of sales from 28% for the same quarter in 2011. Our non-GAAP operating margin for the second quarter was 31% compared to 36% for the second quarter of last year. Non-GAAP operating margin excludes approximately $1 million and $1.1 million of equity-based compensation expenses net of tax for the second quarters of 2012 and '11 respectively. U.S. GAAP net income for the quarter decreased by 16% to $3.5 million and fully diluted net income per share decreased by…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from Suji De Silva of ThinkEquity. Please go ahead.

Suji De Silva - ThinkEquity

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good morning. Can you talk first about the ASP delta between the 2G and the low end 3G smartphone markets and what kind of decline are you seeing in the 2G market versus typical trends?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Well, in the 3G, the ASP, the royalties that we are getting are pretty much stable. In the 2G, and I’m referring specifically to the features phone space, this space is now being displaced to the smartphones. So here the pricing is going down significantly with the only price competition between few vendors and the volume is pretty much stable by the neutral pricing. On the other hand, the smartphone space and this is where the market is growing, the pricing is stable and technology is much more complicated. The landscape there is not about that the, let's say the local OEMs there cannot go this far and I want to emphasize what I said in my prepared remark, the growth that we are expecting in the 2G smartphone relates to tier 1 OEMs.

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Overall, maybe 2G, let me add that the difference and without going into the detail and specific agreements or name, of course which we could not reveal, there is a 2X type of change in highway speed when we refer to higher end phones versus the low end phone. So I think you could see that in the chip price that Gideon talked about and the market is still segmented around that and that also implies to our royalty rate, which could be twice as high in the higher end phone. Suji De Silva – ThinkEquity: Okay. Good.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

And this is 2G. Suji De Silva – ThinkEquity: Great. And the other question is on Nokia, can you talk about maybe what percent of your royalties are exposed to Nokia still? And then if you expect further year-on-year decline over the next 12 months or how that's going to trend versus the last 12 months?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Well, we cannot speak specifically about Nokia there. First of all, what we said in the prepared remarks relate to a specific customer. This is Broadcom. They may be public. The (inaudible) 2G focusing on 3G and that’s we see there was significant volume two quarter ago, there was a very reduction last quarter, and we see in Q2 a further reduction, but that this would be superior and eventually Broadcom will not supply to Nokia. Although Nokia is still customer, and if you had chance to listen to their conference call, their mobile space (inaudible) they raise volumes, they reiterated their commitment and support for the series 30, series 40 smartphones, which are basically smartphone in the Finish and they are Finish end, which is all based on us.

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Suji, let me also add to that that as you recall last quarter we took down our forecast for 3G growth with Nokia because of the same reason Gideon just mentioned. With that said, we still were able I think we just said on the call to record a 16% growth in our 3G business and market capture without that piece as well, Nokia being and this is also with the headwinds of the iPhones also going down for us. So 16% exclude Nokia, exclude the iPhone, the volume that went down. And even so as Gideon explained Nokia for now had been key in the 2G space if they do continue to be successful in their S30, S40 ramp ups which are their smartphone segment that will give us the first low cost type of smarphones that we will be powering to Nokia. So that's a little bit more of picture about them. Suji De Silva – ThinkEquity: Good. Thanks, guys.

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Anil Doradla of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Analyst

Yeah. Good morning, guys. A couple of questions. When I look at the midpoint about the September and December quarter guidance, obviously you are assuming a certain sequential increase in the fourth quarter. I think couple of things. What gives you the confidence that the fourth quarter will witness sequential growth if you could walk us, do some puts and takes that will be wonderful? And perhaps from the last quarter till now, what's surprised you from your end over the course of three months that would be helpful? Thank you.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Good morning, Anil. Let me take question, maybe Yaniv will add. First of all, what surprised us is the price reduction in the 2G space and that's the reason that we are now guiding a royalty down quarter in Q3, which relates to the Q2 shipment. So that's the key point there, but we see a trend change in the 2G and that bring me to the second – the first part of the question. In the 2G, we see movement into the smartphones. And just to give you an indication in specific customer, there were few tens of thousands units in Q1 and went up in Q2 to few millions of units just in one quarter and that's a ramp up, this is not stabilization and this is in a quarter that is Christmas type of quarter. So that's the 2G. And we believe that the growth in the smartphone. In 3G, things are pretty focused. We see all those product that's coming into the market. As everybody is saying, this is all Q3, Q4 shipments, people are holding until they see all those new smartphone coming, different smartphone and we are going. I mean growth comes either they go in of course Samsung which is the largest, and all those could be from third world that new phones, and although bunch of costs. So we are optimistic about the 3G and it's all we do.

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Anil, maybe when you add these some numbers, I think what also surprised us and not just see pretty much the whole industry is that the weakness in the second quarter. And I’m not sure if we had a chance to see the [ABI] research that came out this last night is same for the first time that is headed. They believe that this could be now second quarter and second sequential downturn in the wireless industry. And of course, they quoted a bunch of big names whether it's a Apples down and RIM and Nokia, they mentioned that there is Samsung, even with 16% growth in smartphone, they are 13% down in feature phone and the risk goes down. So from adding all these numbers, they are saying this would be the first target as this second quarter was down and second sequential down quarter which would be very difficult for us to forecast three months ago or even the months ago. And I have seen that that's key to understand a bit of the market dynamics. If you take what Gideon just said we implemented to our model you will see that we are taking royalties down say Q3 in a single-digit figure, not significant but single digit. Of course, we will have different flavors, we believe we will have more 3G ticking in and we will still have some of the effects of the pricing of the low end 2G and the better pricing and initial ramp up is getting extreme of the higher end 2G, which is the smartphone. And all in all, we guided and we are building the model that is on the licensing based on our traditional guidance which is somewhere between $4 million to $5 million. So that bring us to the guidance that we gave for Q3 and higher number and continued, that's a growth rate in all these for the fourth quarter which of course could be much stronger momentum in the first quarter of next year as well.

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Analyst

Right. And finally, you talked about a strategic LT advanced licensee, when do you think this will bear volume shipments?

Yaniv Arieli

Management

This could be a very fast. I cannot guarantee, but this could be a 2014 production.

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Analyst

Thanks a lot guys.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you, Anil.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gary Mobley of Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Gary Mobley - Benchmark

Analyst

Hi, guys. Am I correct in assuming that you're expecting about a 15% sequential decrease in the royalty rate per unit based on the comments just made? And given all the stars that need to align with respect to 3G mix versus 2G mix and the royalties, when would you expect some royalty rate per unit stabilization or perhaps increase?

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Hi, Gary. I'll try to answer that. I'm not sure we are expecting, if you look at the overall assumption or summary of the model again without going to a specific customer, overall the number has been quite stable, around $0.03 in average for our business, and not slightly higher or lower. But that has been the case for a while. Now normally, we see that changing soon. So we talked about earlier, higher price designs and volumes and lower prices, but I don't see any of these overall margin base any such decline as you just stated there. I think it would be overall quite stable with just slight knots maybe up and down based on the volume ramification.

Gary Mobley - Benchmark

Analyst

Okay. So if we're assuming a mid-single digit sequential decrease in your mobile royalty units, I'm assuming that your non-cellular is going to continue to decline as it has for several quarters in a row? And/or your expecting license revenue to be down around $4.5 million towards the lower end of your typical range, while at the same time for five of the past six quarters, you've exceeded your long-term license revenue forecast. I know there's a lot of the questions embedded in there, but I guess first to start out. Is there any indication in your license pipeline that you would expect license revenue to be down towards the $4.5 million mark? And then could you also answer the question regarding your non-cellular-related royalty outlook?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Hi, Gary. This is Gideon. So you basically asked two questions. First of all, with regard to the royalty contributor of the consumer market, it's not that the -- the consumer market is not declining, it's a technical seasonal pattern. What we see this year, it's I believe relates to the economy that the amount ramping up inventory, not building up inventory in the second quarter as we usually do in typical here, probably it will be pushed out to the third quarter. At the end of the day it will be Christmas season and they will have big inventory. So that's the concern. I don't see any outstanding, I don't see any market share loss. We have the product and shipping in the typical pattern that we have. Now the second part about the license fee, I believe you know how we operate. License fee as you know is something that we have to proceed. It depends on timely manner and -- we did once again too good quarter and we are happy about it. But going forward, we -- our recommendation for you guys is to stay in our range of $4 million to $5 million. No doubt it will be higher, we'll be happy. We'll not be -- we'll not make a big party out of it, that's the goes on. And the idea it might be quantity of the license bill is the quality of the license bill, and this quarter we're have two key deals the OEMs and the XC4000. These now in my opinion quality type of license, not just quantity.

Gary Mobley - Benchmark

Analyst

Okay. In your earnings press release, you talked about an engagement with a Tier 1 handset OEM. Is this your first such license agreement with this specific Tier 1 OEM? And could you talk about how many Tier 1 direct license agreements you have with these different handset OEMs?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

I don't want to elaborate further more with something that -- let me say, it's new to us, this specific. I think for cellular, we have four or five OEMs.

Gary Mobley - Benchmark

Analyst

All right. Thank you, guys.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joseph Wolf with Barclays. Please go ahead. Joseph Wolf – Barclays: Thanks guys. Just maybe as a follow on to that question, is there anything you can tell us in terms of the geography of that vendor or if you're selling the USB technology in terms of directly, are you working with the chipset vendor or are they doing that internally as well? That would be my first question.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Probably (inaudible) I'll give you the third with the relative geography, this finally, ask not to give too much build up about this, so we'll keep it as this, and when they get closer to production to some other type of image, mutual understanding and we'll be happy to talk about it. Joseph Wolf – Barclays: Okay. So let me -- I guess just in terms of the 2G, 3G mix where you're seeing acceleration in market share gains. It is too early to talk about an actual mix of revenue. So in the royalty streams, as we move to the fourth quarter in terms of what you expect 3G to contribute?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

So really that's the key point although we're making excellent progress with the 16% growth and the market has gone down 2% in volume. And the overall 3G store facility is relatively new, our growth in the last five years was mainly around two G&A. That's how we got into the business and we got the significant market share that we have. 3G was the marketplace which Qualcomm and TIs dominated 100% growth over the last two years maybe 2.5 or so years and we have started to gain market share and we believe somehow we have to be somewhere around 25% market share. But the volumes are not yet as big if you talk about $228 million baseband that we sold, the majority of sales or the 2G and it was with different flavors. So assuming that becomes a more significant play, of course you'll see royalty around that in revenues and ASPs and we'll follow closely like it has in the 2G market space. So we believe it's going to -- we have the same opportunity to copy that success and as we explained in the prepared remarks and in the end of Q&A for now that there is a big transition even to low cost smartphone and that is all -- stronger presence throughout. You see the first five then Q3 shipments which we reported in Q4, but that was bifurcated here in the Q2 quarter. Joseph Wolf – Barclays: Okay. And just one last question with the Mediatech and Star combination, is there any color that you guys have heard from customers around the field with how this is progressing?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

No. We didn't have a chance yet to speak with them. We'd like to see (inaudible) how we're going to build them. Joseph Wolf – Barclays: All right. Thanks, guys.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you, Joseph.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vijay Rakesh from Sterne Agee. Please go ahead. Vijay Rakesh – Sterne Agee: All right. Good. Just wondering when you look at your quarter and the guide, what's your current 2G, 3G or TDS CDMA mix and how do you see that by Q4? And also do you see your units going back to that 250 million to 270 million unit’s quarterly shipments like in by Q3, Q4 -- by Q4 or Q1?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Yeah…

Yaniv Arieli

Management

Presently it's too low. Quarterly shipments presently is too low.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

We never tried to get upfront of the volumes. I don't think that has been our practice now. It doesn't makes sense for us to start and try it now. Overall, we can say that this last quarter in Q1, we powered $228 million, round it up to $230 million-ish baseband. The mix was different, more 3G than ever for us and we hope that that trend will continue. To what numbers exactly it will reach, it also depends on the market. But if you refer to some of the conference calls that we're -- and then the comment that we made on the call, Broadcom (inaudible) Intel design win, all of them mainly talk about 3G these days and those will get into production mainly in the second half, as they also even last quarter ago. So that is our basic start. The second half starts in Q3 that means our Q4 royalty should already take that into account. Vijay Rakesh – Sterne Agee: Sir, do you see 3G we are doing like 40%, 50% by Q4 given all the raps?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

By market share you mean or by… Vijay Rakesh – Sterne Agee: Yeah. You're mix.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

I don’t think it'll get there. I don't think it could get there in one quarter. That's not -- those numbers are lower. I don't think we could double that overnight, but eventually there is no reason for us not to get there, because the forecast for 3G are quite robust. Vijay Rakesh – Sterne Agee: Got it. And then last question -- there is how many Tier 1 OEMs do you have now licensed with LTE?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Now, it's LTE -- I don't know may be I don't – two or three, Richard?

Richard Kingston

Management

Yeah. We haven't fully disclosed the number publically but that's in the range, yeah. Vijay Rakesh – Sterne Agee: Okay. Great. Thanks.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That's a next question from Jay Srivatsa of Chardan Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Jay Srivatsa – Chardan Capital Markets: Yeah. Thanks for taking my question Gideon. As you look ahead, you know, every quarter there seems to be some issues some pricing pressures, some product transitions. How do you, what are some of the initiatives you're taking, as you look to 2013, to circumvent some of this quarterly fluctuations and be able to run a more streamlined business?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Hi, good morning. First of all, Jay, as what we said in this quarter, we said last quarter the dollar price erosion in 2G and these are – those will be the same issue in this quarter. So the stuff that we are doing in terms of working much closer with the customer and transitioning to 3G and 2G smartphones. We sold the new products that require all support and now we are a you know, accelerations and this is ongoing and then we see the crux of this work. The 2G feature phone, this is a market that is stable, to a leisure extent and it would be superior somehow I mean in one way or another. And definitely people the trend is going either to smartphone 2G smartphone if we go to 3G. Jay Srivatsa – Chardan Capital Markets: Okay. Looking ahead to the ramp up in 3G, what gives you the confidence that some of the pricing issues that saves the 2G business own clients for over to the 3G business, meaning that the ASP is that, you currently believe or now twice the 2G ASP that could pretty dramatically fall, you know when the ramp up happens, is it not?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Okay. You know, that could take to maybe two years that eventually in every high-value market you have price erosion, and which is common factors, it's true for consumer, true for baseband, true for many other market. So I don't think we're invented the real here, but the idea is that you all are happy, you will always have something new, like LTE, which has much higher price and potentially we'll get some of the multimedia stuff which are higher priced, application processors, gesture, audio, which we have talked about, in the last couple of quarters and now getting design wins from time to time and those will also kick in. So when you look at an average, you have higher devices lower volumes and you have the mass market which you always have pricing in, this is how most of the semiconductors manage their business, and so do we or at least try to. I think that, what's happening now in the last two quarters and we're quite transparent about it as much as you can a quarter ago, and that we are the market is going under a transition between 2G and 3G. If we look at growth in 2G in the last couple of years, I think you could find the numbers there. And if you look at growth in 3G, and one of it we've just demonstrated today and for the last quarter, and it's by far in much more robust than Qualcomm's 3G business or any other play in the 3G business today. So, the numbers are still small for us but if it all happens the way you would believe the market could move to -- I hope it will benefit our earnings or topline earnings and of course the rest of the business. Jay Srivatsa – Chardan Capital Markets: All right. One last question, then can you talk to us on some of the work that's being done on the non- baseband side, i.e. the application processor and/or the recognitions and stuff. Where are things at in terms of revenue growth there for you and when do you expect some of that to become material as you look forward?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Well, we have two different product line beyond baseband and they are relating to smart TV and so of course smartphone. One is the audio we mentioned, I think, it was last quarter that we had instrument licensing mode. And it's more to my opinion in the 2014 contributor, of course, it's in addition of the baseband. Now, the other activity is the imaging and vision. This is a platform that opened up for us a significant modes, used models including automotive. So, I would say that we are in a trajectory mode, meaning we are coming to customers, let them evaluate, let them have their opinion and we would see licensing moved out licensing in this respect move out 2013. Jay Srivatsa – Chardan Capital Markets: Okay. Thank you. Good luck.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you, Jay.

Operator

Operator

Our next question from Blake Harper of Wunderlich. Please go ahead. Blake Harper – Wunderlich: Yeah. Thanks. Most of my questions have been answered, but I just wanted to ask you, you are going over whether royalties and licensing revenues. We expect to be contribute over the next quarter or two? And could you just talk about what the Design Services and how much of that and growth from there you've put into your guidance for Q3 and for the full year?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Yeah. Thanks. We haven't covered that. Indeed, at least, you know we have a base lines regarding revenues which of the services and the support that we give to our customers and that's pretty flattish across the year in the quarter and piece that fluctuate in different tools, bolts sometimes chips, with the design tools, that we give our customers to – from time to time to help production. And this could vary between a 100,000 -200,000 sometimes higher. And that's the variance that we have really going down from the first quarter of the $900,000 level to a $600,000 level, that's the main reason – not sure – we took that down between the $900,000 level to the $700,000, situation I hope that this is something that we could achieve. Blake Harper – Wunderlich: Okay. Thanks. And then I just couple of housekeeping items, can you give us you a CapEx and depreciation numbers?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Yeah. Both of them are above the $130,000, $150,000 in the last quarter. Blake Harper – Wunderlich: Okay. And then what was your headcount at the end of the quarter?

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

The 194 versus 191 in quarter ago. Blake Harper – Wunderlich: Okay. Thanks. That's all I've got.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And this is time our next question will be our final question from James Faucette, Pacific Crest. Please go ahead. James Faucette – Pacific Crest: Thank you very much. Just a – most of my questions have also been answered. I just wanted to ask you about how you're thinking about the growth in the underlying handset market, particularly as you lookout to 2013 and beyond as you develop your development or you build your development plans. If you seen two quarters of contraction are you – I guess, I'm just wondering what kind of view you have into a return to growth if any and how you're thinking about that as you try to plan for future? Thanks.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Well, I think the contraction in the market or going if you refer to the marketer to us I mean, we are more or less following the contraction in the market. There is – it looks like there is the change in the profiles of the way people in the buying from or making decision on quality, it's more like though the end of the year there is the smartphone market is a very you know competitive, lot of offering has been – our consumer it's – start to make a decision. So as I said – I think I said it in the prepared remarks, what we are seeing from customer discussions, the fundamentals are I mean people eventually made 3G, 4G smartphone and you see the growth and we are in this highway, you know, and getting to it. So you know conformation in the market people are don't to do -- don't want any more feature phones they want smartphone. You take your phone for example but only 42% of the people in the Europe have smartphone. So these eventually they need and there is a lot of optimism is going into the 2013 and onward.

James Faucette - Pacific Crest

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Gideon Wertheizer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our question-and-answer question. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Kingston for any closing remarks.

Richard Kingston

Management

Thank you. Thanks everyone again for joining us today and for your continued interest and support in CEVA. We will be attending the following upcoming conferences and events and invite you to join us there. The first of these is the Oppenheimer 15th Annual Technology Internet and Communications Conference August 14th in Boston then we'd be at the Deutsche Bank dbAccess 2012 Technology Conference from September 11th to 13th in Las Vegas and finally, ThinkEquity's 9th Annual Growth Conference in September 12th and 13th in New York. Thank you and good bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.