Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Century Aluminum’s second quarter 2014 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) I'll now turn the conference over to our host, Peter Trpkovski. Please go ahead, sir.
Century Aluminum Company (CENX)
Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 31, 2014
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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Century Aluminum’s second quarter 2014 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) I'll now turn the conference over to our host, Peter Trpkovski. Please go ahead, sir.
Peter Trpkovski
Management
Thank you very much, Cathy, and good afternoon everyone, and welcome to the conference call. Today's presentation is available on our website www.centuryaluminum.com. We use our website as means of disclosing material information about the company and for complying with Regulation FD. I would like to remind you that any discussion will contain forward-looking statements related to future events and expectations, including our expected future financial performance, results of operations and financial condition. These forward-looking statements involve important known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed in our forward-looking statements. Please review the forward-looking statements disclosure in today's slides and press release for a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties. In addition, we've included some non-GAAP financial measures in our discussion. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the appendix to today's presentation and on our website. With that, I’d now like to introduce Mike Bless, Century's President and Chief Executive Officer.
Michael Bless
Management
Thanks very much, Pete, and thanks to all of you for joining us this afternoon. If we could turn to Slide 4 please, I’d to give you a quick review of what we’ve been working on the last couple of months before I turn it over to Shelly who will take you through some thoughts on the industry environment. Before I get to that, just to tee that up a little bit, obviously we think we’ve seen sentiment turn in these markets over the last couple of months and we think sentiment may finally be catching up to some of the movement and the fundamentals about which we’ve been talking over the last year or so. In our specific markets and the trading markets and in the commercial markets, conditions remain quite favorable. We continue to see tight availability of physical metal and growing demand for value added products that are already in short supply in our markets in the U.S and Europe. I’ll comment later in my remarks on what we’re doing to address what we see as some pretty attractive opportunities for the company. Okay, let’s get started over the last couple of months. As you’ll recall, the winter weather had a severe impact on power prices in the eastern and Midwestern U.S. And as we expected, we saw a significant improvement during the second quarter. By the end of the quarter, we were seeing price levels back to what we would consider almost normal. We saw some transmission congestion issues during the middle of the quarter that have largely dissipated and I’ll give you some more detail on that in just a couple of minutes. Let me just use Hawesville as an example to give you a sense of the movement of power prices quarter to quarter.…
Shelly Harrison
Management
Thanks, Mike. If we can move on to Slide 5 please. I’ll provide some comments here on the industry environment. The average cash metal price during the quarter was $17.98 per ton. That’s up 5% from Q1 with a price averaged $17.09. Since quarter end, LME prices have had a significant run up and are currently sitting right around $2,000 a ton. The sentiment towards the aluminum space has become much more positive recently. LME inventories remain high compared to historical levels and there has been a significant downward trend over the last several months. And we’ve seen a decline of about 500,000 tons just since mid-March, although it is likely that some of these inventories have simply moved from registered to nonregistered warehouses. As you can see on the chart, the combination of steady growth and demand and declining inventories has led to a meaningful reduction in days inventories from almost 70 days at the peak of the financial crisis to less than 45 days currently. On the back of these positive developments, regional premiums have continued to strengthen and are near their all-time high set early this year. The US Midwest premium is currently $0.20 per pound and the European Duty pay premium is slightly higher at $455 per ton. Digging in to the industry fundamentals a bit, in the second quarter global demand was up almost 7% versus the second quarter of 2013. If you pull out China, demand was still up 4.1%. In the U.S, we saw improved demand in Q2 as compared to the first quarter which was impacted by severe winter weather. And in Europe, consumption was strong in the second, despite some recent signs of economic softness. Both of these key regions that we sell into are showing good growth in aluminum requirements…
Michael Bless
Management
Thanks, Shelly. If we could turn to Slide 7 please. As Shelly said, I'd like to give you just a quick update on how the operation has been during the quarter and then I will turn you over to Rick for the financials. First and foremost, as you see here, we didn’t make the progress that we would have liked to make in safety this quarter. This is an area those of you follow it so you know in which staying still will definitely cause you to go backwards, thus continuous improvement is absolutely necessary. And looking through the non-specific area that gives us pause, our assessment is simply that perhaps we’ve had some complacency seep into our system given the very good performance that the teams announced over the last couple years. This is an area that our board and our management team will only accept excellence in, and simply being better than the industry averages which has squarely where we sit today is not nearly good enough. Thus as you would suspect, I and my senior team are spending a lot of time and effort appropriately in this area and we’ll continue to do so. Production as you can see moving down the page here was down a little bit at Hawesville this quarter versus Q1. Remember this is all – all these data are a comparison of Q2 to Q1. This production decrease at Hawesville was the result of some conscious decisions that we made in May. I referred to these earlier in which we scaled back productions on days when power prices were higher than they otherwise should have been due to congestion in the local transmission system. This condition is now gone, and the average energy prices that we’re paying at our nodes or our…
Rick Dillon
Management
Thanks, Mike. Let’s turn to Slide 8 of the presentation. I'll provide some additional details on the second quarter financial performance. Our net sales were up 9% from the first quarter, reflecting the combined impact of favorable market conditions, as well as increased volumes quarter over quarter. Looking at the market impact on a one month leg basis, the average cash LME price was up approximately 2% and Midwest premium transaction price was up to approximately 4%. Realized prices in the U.S and Iceland were also up 4% sequentially, in line with the Midwest transaction price increase and a European duty pay price increase. On a consolidated basis, global shipments were up 4% in the second quarter versus the first quarter of 2014. Our U.S shipments were up 5% with the Mount Holly operations driving this increase. As we discussed last quarter, we ended the first quarter with elevated inventory levels at Mount Holly due to timing of production, with shipments coming through in the second quarter. Our Kentucky operations shipments were essentially flat quarter over quarter. In Iceland we had direct shipments of almost 40,000 tons in the second quarter. Total volume for Iceland was up 3% sequentially. As a reminder, the nature of our business in Iceland is transitioning from totaling to direct sales and this is expected to continue through 2016. The first quarter was an unusually low quarter for shipments as we made a working capital investment in finished goods needed to support a growing direct sales business. In addition as discussed last quarter, the impact of weather patterns on power availability also resulted in lower shipments in the first quarter due to production curtailments. As expected the power shortages continued through the second quarter and the impact was in line with our estimates of approximately…
Michael Bless
Management
Thanks, Rick. If we could just go to slide 11 and as Rick said I’ll go through for you a quick summary of some of the things on which we’ll be focusing over the next couple of months and what you should be expecting from us and then we’ll get right to your questions. As we’ve discussed before, we think the current market power environment looks favorable. This is partly due of course to the unusually mild summer that we’ve had to date in the Midwest and Eastern part of this country. But we think it principally represents a return to the three winter prompt in forward pricing. Thus we are looking hard at fixing a portion of our power requirements. We are considering tender of up to 24 months at most. We don’t think the risk for reward trade off after that period is favorable. We are also analyzing a spread between power and metal prices. Obviously when you are going to look at fixing a portion of your largest cost, you need to look at whether it makes sense to also fix a portion your output as well. Look at the hedging facilities in place, they have attracted credit support and so we are ready to go when we deem conditions are ideal. We are also discussing with several third parties a variety of bilateral power purchase agreements. And some of these would likely mitigate any future transmission congestion issues were they to occur in the region. In addition, we are looking at the rationale of actually acquiring generation assets of our own and or entering into long term leases of generation assets. So again you should expect more to come from us on this topic over the next couple of months. Moving on, the initial value added…
Peter Trpkovski
Management
Thanks Mike. Cathy, if you can go ahead and kick off the Q&A session.
Operator
Operator
Certainly. (Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from Sal Tharani with Goldman Sachs. Go ahead please. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: I just wanted to understand or reconcile the operating profits from first to second quarter. You had a slide last quarter where you felt that if you didn’t have power issues or other [inaudible] you would have made about $31 million of operating profit. And then I see this quarter you announced about [inaudible] or so. But you saw $23 million of power benefits and your conversion costs were lower on both the [inaudible[ plants. I’m just wondering what are we [inaudible] this slide?
Michael Bless
Management
Sal, with apology we’re going to try to answer your question. We heard -- the connection is quite bad. It sounds like either you’re on a mobile or I’m not sure what. So we kind of heard every other word. But we think what you asked is could you compare and please correct us, Q1 to Q2 operating profits. Look at Q1 pro forma for what you said the power would have been if the winter weather hadn’t driven up power prices and kind of relate that our pro forma number to what we actually reported in Q2. Is that where you’re heading? Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Yes, exactly. From $31 to $23 you have a power benefit in the second quarter. You have a higher aluminum price. I thought that the M&A conversion cost was lower. So I thought that if I look at the sensitivity to your aluminum price to your volume or to your total volume, that’s significantly even higher that what you have reported.
Rick Dillon
Management
From a power perspective, the $31 versus the $23 that is almost entirely driven by the $41 per megawatt hour that we saw in the quarter versus the $37 we talked about. Using our 2014 items that we provided, if you calculate that sensitivity it’s about an $8 million impact.
Michael Bless
Management
It wasn’t -- the point is Sal, it wasn’t quite as – metro former was down at a lower pricing and it actually came in -- it came in a couple of bucks above. Just to give you -- I can give you further just to come at it from another perspective. Let me just give you some of the big movers of profitability quarter to quarter sequentially. Again as Rick said we went from zero to $44. Of that $18 -- of that delta $44, $18 was due to the net impact of the aluminum price and when we say net of course you guys know how we talk about. We mean the realized price net of the increased cost for alumina and power in Iceland which of course floats with the price. So that was $18 million. Kentucky power as Rick told you with $22 million and South Carolina with another one. So $18 plus $23, that gets you – that tips a little bit over $40 million. Then there was a bunch of nits and lights going up and down. But that’s basically the roadmap if that’s what you’re looking for from Q1 to Q2. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Yeah, that’s clear that line and I appreciate that. Then on Mount Holly, is there structural advantage you can do similar power arrangement as you did at Kentucky or is it not allowed in that State to do and go buy power outside?
Michael Bless
Management
Yeah. The answer Sal is yes. It would require some call it structural changes, but as you know we’ve gone -- we’re buying power from outside of Santee Cooper system today. We have been since mid-2012. They wheel it in to us because as you suggest, South Carolina is not a retail access state. So you have to buy power from the – I’ll use the easy term, the monopoly utility power provider. The other differences that’s important to understand is that there’s not an organized market in South Carolina like there is in Kentucky which is part of MISO of course. You’ll see reference to the VACAR power market. That means Virginia and Carolina’s, but it's largely a bilateral market. There is nowhere where you can go to see a price, and there’s not the kind of organized market that there’s in MISO. So that’s a long winded way of saying it can be done in South Carolina Sal, but it's not as I guess easy as it – it wouldn’t be as easy to do as – not that it was easy in Kentucky. But it would take some more doing. Let me leave it at that.
Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
So you and your partners are ready to settle down if power price doesn’t come to your expectations?
Michael Bless
Management
Yes. We’re absolutely aligned.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question will come from Brett Levy with Jefferies. Go ahead please. Brett Levy – Jefferies: Hey guys. First off, I am also calling on a cellphone. Does it also sound like I'm calling from a [inaudible]? & Company: Hey guys. First off, I am also calling on a cellphone. Does it also sound like I'm calling from a [inaudible]?
Michael Bless
Management
No. Your mobile gets the higher grade. You sound good. Brett Levy – Jefferies: Okay. Can you guys talk a little bit about Iceland, either the Helguvik situation, if there’s any progress on the expansion? & Company: Okay. Can you guys talk a little bit about Iceland, either the Helguvik situation, if there’s any progress on the expansion?
Michael Bless
Management
Sure. Absolutely Brett. Thanks. I'll take the latter first because that’s easy. So we’re on – I think Rick alluded to this. We’re actually on target there. We lost some production due to the weather cut backs, but the expansion continues at pace. We’re right on plan or a little bit ahead and we’ll be updating – we’ll be giving as we usually do in the February call, we’ll be giving you the tonnage for 2015. But we’re right on pace there. On Helguvik, really we didn’t talk about it. we didn’t put it in our outbound I suppose comments this quarter because really there’s been no change to the assessment that we’ve taken you through which is that we really need a national power company Landsvirkjun to step up into a leadership role in this project if we’re going to get this thing going in the – anytime in near future. And discussions continue, but there has been no substantive change in the status as of 90 days ago. Brett Levy – Jefferies: All right. And I mean is it really just like unavailability issues? Because I mean, even if they gave you power at half the global cost, it would still be very lucrative to make more aluminum in Iceland. I guess the question is, are they being ridiculously greedy? Are you being ridiculously greedy? Or is just sort of -- it's something in the middle? & Company: All right. And I mean is it really just like unavailability issues? Because I mean, even if they gave you power at half the global cost, it would still be very lucrative to make more aluminum in Iceland. I guess the question is, are they being ridiculously greedy? Are you being ridiculously greedy? Or is just sort of -- it's something in the middle?
Rick Dillon
Management
It hasn’t even gone to that. Let me take a step back. Maybe I thought we talked about this last time, but it may have been in a conference or something like that. So really in Iceland the base, which frankly for what it’s worth is an appropriate one. As far as we’re concerned, it's on two levels. The first is whether they’re going to develop it or not. So to your point, it certainly is there. It's there in abundance. But the question is from an environmental and otherwise standpoint, do we -- as a country, as a society, will Iceland wish to develop it or not. So that’s an environmental question. And the government has put certain projects into – they call it the framework program, basically green light, yellow light and red light is the easiest way to think about it. And so the question is, are more projects going to be taken from yellow and put into green and more projects are going to be taken from red and eventually find their way to green? And that’s an open and very public debate in Icelandic society. And then after you answer that one, it's kind of serial questions if I suppose. You need to ask yourself again, this is the debate on Iceland, if we’re going to develop it, how do we wish to use it? And as you say, we would agree with your comment that we couldn’t say it any better. But there are other opinions as well. You may have seen it’s been very public in the Icelandic press anyway that they’re looking at potentially building a submarine cable, underwater table, quite a long one. It would go of course all the way to the U.K. it would be terminated in, some place…
Michael Bless
Management
None of it is locked, Brett. So it’s all sold but it’s sold at the market price, and generally on a one month flag is the way our business usually floats, not just Century’s but the industry convention. It’s U.S for the US but in Iceland then and the US it’s all sold. It’s all committed but it doesn’t price until a month ends and then you calculate what the one month prior price was and the Midwest premium or the European duty paid premium and that’s what’s the customer owes you. So none of it is price. Brett Levy – Jefferies: And there are no LME hedges or anything else like that? & Company: And there are no LME hedges or anything else like that?
Michael Bless
Management
No, nothing on the books for it. Brett Levy – Jefferies: What it tells me is you are very bullish, right? & Company: What it tells me is you are very bullish, right?
Michael Bless
Management
This is where we were also, Brett 12 or 24 months ago and this is the wonder of hedging. You have Monday morning quarter back discussions all the time. Had we hedged of course we’d be falling ourselves now. But as I did say as I stated in my remarks, an interesting analysis to do which as you would hope we do and update daily is the spread between -- and I’m talking about the U.S only which is perhaps to your question. If you are in a corner for protection of your production where you’d be doing it and there’s a spread between metal and power prices because the rest of your cost you pretty much know. Your alumina price, all the rest of your plant costs are within de minimis variations a long as you are running your plants correctly you already know what those are. And so that spread is getting to be one that we are looking at hard because you can imagine -- I don’t like using this term but I’ll use for priority and lock it in. Brett Levy – Jefferies: Right, and so what you are basically saying is you will consider locking an aluminum after you’ve got a little bit more certainty on some of the elements of your pilot cost? & Company: Right, and so what you are basically saying is you will consider locking an aluminum after you’ve got a little bit more certainty on some of the elements of your pilot cost?
Rick Dillon
Management
I think that’s a fair way of looking at it. And the way, Brett, so yes but the way you can get more confidence or certain about your power cost either by just driving that confidence or by locking in that power cost through the markets or through a bilateral arrangement with a power generator or somebody else who’s got power to sell.
Operator
Operator
Thank you, we’ll go next to John Tumazos with John Tumazos Very Independent Research. Go ahead please.
John Tumazos - John Tumazos Very Independent Research
Analyst
With the floating power per market base power, do you operate something resembling a small in house trading desk for power, metal alumina or do you farm some of that out to a consulting or trading company like your shareholder Glencore and pay them a market based reasonable fee for that. Or how you manage all the moving parts that we are looking at and we commend you for working so hard.
Michael Bless
Management
Thank you, John and thanks for an insightful and excellent question. And so the answer is on the metal alumina, no, absolutely not. Right now we are price taker on a daily basis. I could say price every month. On power you asked a great question. And when we in May saw some -- for example some of those transmission congestion issues, it was over a course of like two, maybe three weeks. We did look at as I said the trade off every hour literary because as you know the MISO prices come out in hour increments, every hour of whether it made sense on behalf of the share owners to make metal incrementally or made sense to dial back. And this is why it’s cut more sales in our deposit door right now because it doesn’t do well with the stability of the plant and to sell the power back into the marketplace. And so that’s what at the margin. Now you could only do this to a certain extent. You can’t crank the plant way back. There’s only an extent to which you can do it, but there is an ability under our power contract. Obviously it’s all laid out in the contract what we can do and what we can’t do because as you know and as we said in an answer to a different question, retail wheeling isn’t allowed in Kentucky. We’re not a utility. But to a minor extent we can it and we did do it in May just to the extent that we were able.
Operator
Operator
Thank you, then by the follow up from Sal Tharani with Goldman Sachs, go ahead please. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Thank you. Mike you mentioned an interesting point about owning a power asset or leasing long term. I don't know what the relationship – is there a very strong correlation between gas and power price and how about owning a gas asset rather than a power asset? Is it easier to own and more abundantly available? Have you thought about that?
Michael Bless
Management
Absolutely. If I misspoke Sal, so thanks for the follow up. When I said a generation of power assets, we’re willing to consider coal fire, gas fire, a combination of the two. As you say, there’s a pretty easy, if you’re familiar with these markets, a general calculation that you can make between depending on the asset that you’re talking about and its efficiency heat rate in the [products] of the industry between the price of coal, delivered price of coal on the one hand or natural gas on the other hand, the cost of the megawatts that are coming out of the generator. Absolutely and Mount Holly as you know the deal that we struck a couple of years ago is indeed with a gas fired system. That’s a long term lease and that’s exactly what is was. We leased that capacity for three and a half years. So absolutely, we think there’s great opportunity in Kentucky from the coal fired side, of course Kentucky being a big coal supplier and so we’re spending a lot of time there. But we are looking at and we’d be happy were it prove economic to act on either. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: What I meant, Mike I’m sorry, actually owning a gas exploration field …
Michael Bless
Management
I’m sorry Sal. I apologize. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Rather than a power asset because if there’s a very good correlation between the pricing of the two, maybe it’s easy to own and finance a gas exploration. I'm not sure. I just wondered -- was wondering if that makes sense.
Michael Bless
Management
I apologize. I didn’t listen well to your question. That is indeed what you said. I guess the way I’d answer that is you’ve got to draw a bull’s eye or the archery target, whatever it’s called and as you get in on sort of a standard deviation or two outside your core competency which leads me to what we’re doing now. We are working with some folks who actually -- companies who own those kind of assets and develop them. That’s what they do for a living. As partners to see whether we could attack a situation together, whether it’s a generated that could be for sale or a generator that’s currently closed that could be reopened, something like that. I think for a company like ours that’s the best way to approach something like that. And that’s what we’re doing right now in a couple of circumstances. We’ve got a bunch of oars in the water. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Okay. Can you remind us on the Grundartangi transition from the tolling to the direct? Is it going to be transitioned fully to direct by 2016? Is that the idea?
Shelly Harrison
Management
Yeah. So the expectation is as we move forward, the tolling contract will transition to direct. We have about 40,000 tons that roll off at the end of this year and the final 90,000 tons rolls off in mid-2016. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: Okay, great. And the last question I have is on Ravenswood power contract or power negotiation, is it going to be -- are you only considering talking to the power companies or are you looking at the other options like Kentucky option also?
Michael Bless
Management
Both. Again all we’ve done through the power company, Appalachian Power and so they’re a part of all these discussion. They’re a good partner. We’re convinced. They want this plant open, truly this smelter open as much as we do. The question is at the end of the day assuming success what the right formula is. I wouldn’t want to predict at this point in time, but the answer to your question both. Sal Tharani – Goldman Sachs: You mentioned that is your highest priority so we could spring that as the next big investment or big sort of move from you?
Michael Bless
Management
Sal, that one we missed entirely. None of us caught that one. You said you mentioned that and then we didn’t hear you.
Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs
Analyst · Goldman Sachs, go ahead please
As the most important priority of the company you mentioned successfully.
Michael Bless
Management
Yeah. This is something that as this you know we’ve been working on for -- in earnest for four years that I can remember off the top of my head. And even before that since the plant closed, but in earnest for the last three to four years. We think it’s in the perspective market environment and assuming we can get to a power structure that offers upside that protects the shares on the downside. We think this will be a great investment for the share owners. There’s a restart cost, but it’s reasonably modest in the grand scheme of things. And the plant we think could be producing quickly and producing a product that’s needed in the marketplace with our customer right next door that we believe would like a good chunk of it in molten form. That’s [Castellon’s] plant of course. It’s got all the attributes of something that would be reasonably low risk again assuming power and could give some nice upside.
Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs
Analyst · Goldman Sachs, go ahead please
And you’d be able to be at cash cost of the Kentucky power , Kentucky smelter?
Michael Bless
Management
I’m sorry.?
Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs
Analyst · Goldman Sachs, go ahead please
Do you think the cash cost eventually will be close to – mean the electricity context for the same, you think its conversion cost is very similar to the Kentucky smelters?
Michael Bless
Management
It would be more Sal because of the inefficiencies due to the output. Just to remind you Ravenswood is 170,000 pounds of annual capacity. It’s next closest one going upside is Sebree which is just a hair over 200,000 pounds as you know. And more importantly the Ravenswood pot is quite small. So there are more sales per ton of output which means you need more operators to tap the metal and set the carbon, etc. It would be -- it would not be as good as Kentucky.
Operator
Operator
Our next question is from the line of Paretosh Misra. Please go ahead.
Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley
Analyst · Paretosh Misra. Please go ahead
Hi, Paretosh Misra for Morgan Stanley. So if you’ve considered hedging both pricing and cost for at least two of your smelters in the U.S. I’m just curious, have you also considered an MLP structure?
Michael Bless
Management
An MLP structure?
Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley
Analyst · Paretosh Misra. Please go ahead
Yes.
Michael Bless
Management
That seems to be all the rage these days. Telecoms and now aluminum companies, that’s a great question. The answer is, the factual answer is no and I’m not even going to take a stab at that one. But I’m sure going to go research it now. I don’t even know whether it would be applicable to our industry from a tech standpoint. I understand your point on --I think I should say. I shouldn’t be presumptuous, understand your concept that if you fix out the cash flows that would make a nice conceptually anyway a nice candidate for a partner for an MLP. But the answer is no, we haven’t looked at it.
Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley
Analyst · Paretosh Misra. Please go ahead
Okay. And just going back to the hedging part for the metal, are you talking about hedging both LME and premiums because I wasn’t even sure if the market for the premiums is that liquid.
Michael Bless
Management
You’re correct on ladder.
Shelly Harrison
Management
Yeah. It’s not that liquid, but there are transactions that can be done. As you can imagine in this market with strong premiums, buyers and sellers are generally quite far apart. So that’s really making liquidity quite difficult. So we would look at all three as opponents. We would look at power. We would look at LME and we would look at premiums.
Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley
Analyst · Paretosh Misra. Please go ahead
Understood, and last question just any commentary on the imports, especially given I think you said that U.S premiums are now below European premiums. So that should reduce an incentive for inputs, right?
Michael Bless
Management
All else being equal, you bet. But as Shelly said -- Shell, that run up in the EU duty paid premium has really come over the last 60 days.
Shelly Harrison
Management
Yeah, absolutely. Midwest is now starting to creep up again. So they are neck and neck.
Michael Bless
Management
But you are right, that -- those two premiums obviously people who are on metal are doing that same math every day.
Operator
Operator
Our next question is from Paul Massoud from Stifel. Please go ahead.
Paul Massoud - Stifel Nicolaus
Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead
I apologize for my cell phone connection as well, but first if you could just give us a sense of what you think your tax rate might look like for the second half of the year. And then the second question would be all else being equal, with all the moving parts, where do you think you'll end up on the cost curve by year end?
Rick Dillon
Management
I'll touch on the tax issue briefly. I think the effective rate in the second quarter was close to 8%. We aren’t a taxpayer to the U.S right now because of our past standing NOLs with the exception of a few state taxes. And we pay taxes on our Iceland operations at around 18%. So as you work through your model, if you can curve out the Iceland operations at 18% wherever that lands you for an effective tax perspective.
Shelly Harrison
Management
And from a cost curve standpoint, the numbers we put out there were based on the information that we gave you back in February for Q2 to Q4 of the year. At this point we have not made any updates to those numbers. There have been a few things that have moved around. Power is just a little bit higher in Kentucky, but premiums are strong which offsets that impact. So, again no real update to those numbers. We will come out in February of next year as we do every year with updated forecasts for cash costs. So at this point in time, we’re not projecting any change from what you saw in the cost curve.
Operator
Operator
There are no further questions. Please continue.
Michael Bless
Management
We’d like to thank everybody again for joining us this afternoon and we’ll speak with you -- I look forward to speaking with you in October.