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Constellation Energy Corporation (CEG)

Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 28, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Constellation Energy Group's Third Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I will now turn the meeting over to the Director of Investor Relations for Constellation, Ms. Sandra Brummitt. Sandra, you may begin.

Sandra E. Brummitt

Analyst

Thank you. Welcome to Constellation Energy's third quarter earnings call. We appreciate you being with us this morning. With me here in Baltimore today are Mayo Shattuck, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jack Thayer, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mayo and Jack will provide you their perspectives on our performance for the quarter, as well as our expectations for the future. Following their remarks, we'll take your questions. Please turn your attention to Slide 2, a reminder that our comments today will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. For a complete discussion of these risks, we encourage you to read our documents on file with the SEC. Our presentation is being webcast, and the slides are available on our website, www.constellation.com. On Slide 3, you will notice we will use non-GAAP financial measures in this presentation to help you understand our operating performance. We have attached an appendix to the charts on the website reconciling non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. Turning to Slide 4. We will discuss our pending merger with Exelon during this presentation. In connection with the merger, we provided to our shareholders a joint proxy statement, prospectus and other relevant documents in connection with the proposed merger of Exelon and Constellation Energy. We urge investors to read the joint proxy statement, prospectus and any other relevant documents, which contain important information about Exelon, Constellation Energy and the proposed merger. With that, I would like to turn the time over to Mayo.

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Thank you, Sandra. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for your participation today. This morning we reported third quarter adjusted earnings of $0.68 per share, which includes a mark-to-market timing loss of $0.27 per share and Hurricane Irene storm restoration costs of $0.17 per share. Excluding these mark-to-market timing losses and restoration costs, our adjusted earnings would've been $1.12 per share. Including onetime items, Constellation reported third quarter GAAP earnings of $0.36 per share. Excluding Hurricane Irene restoration expense and mark-to-market timing, we are reaffirming our 2011 guidance of $3.05 to $3.35 per share. At this point we expect to come in at the low end of that range. Jack will discuss our third quarter results and earnings outlook in more detail later in the presentation. Our NewEnergy segment continues to execute on its integrated multiproduct energy supply and management strategy, bringing innovation and more choices to its customers. We have continued to perform above plan in our wholesale load serving business with win rates higher than expected. In September, we announced a solar panel leasing program that we are offering to residential customers in 6 states. We also launched the next generation of our online energy management application for commercial users, VirtuWatt 3.0, which is also available as an iPhone and iPad app. Currently used by approximately 2,700 of our customer accounts, the application enables Constellation customers to better manage their electricity use and maximize the benefits of load response programs through realtime metering, pricing, bidding and curtailment capabilities. In addition, the integrations of our recently purchased residential businesses, MXenergy and StarTex are progressing as planned. At the same time, record-breaking heat in Texas presented a challenge to the NewEnergy segment for the quarter as we will discuss in more detail in a moment. Within our generation segment, our…

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Thank you, Mayo. As Mayo mentioned, adjusted earnings for the third quarter of 2011 were $0.68 per share. As you may recall, our adjusted earnings include mark-to-market timing gains and losses and service hedges of customer and generation positions. This past quarter, we recorded a mark-to-market timing loss of approximately $0.27 per share. These mark-to-market results will fluctuate on a quarterly basis as underlying commodity prices change. In addition, our adjusted earnings include Hurricane Irene restoration costs of $0.17 per share. Excluding these mark-to-market timing losses and Hurricane Irene storm restoration expenses, our adjusted earnings would have been $1.12 per share. Looking at our results by segment, BGE reported adjusted earnings of $0.00 per share, down from $0.14 per share in the third quarter of 2010. This year-over-year variance is primarily due to Hurricane Irene restoration costs accounted for as O&M. In total, BGE estimates it spent approximately $90 million to restore power to its customers. Of this total cost, approximately $55 million, or $0.17 per share, is accounted for as O&M with the remainder as capital. Somewhat offsetting the Hurricane Irene costs this quarter is higher distribution revenue, which was approved in the Maryland PSC's 2010 rate case order. Our generation segment reported adjusted earnings of $0.29 per share for the third quarter of 2011, up from $0.27 per share in the third quarter of 2010. The increase is primarily the result of the earnings contribution from our New England assets, partially offset by lower power prices and increased outage days at CENG. Our NewEnergy segment reported adjusted earnings of $0.23 per share for the third quarter of 2011, as compared to an adjusted loss of $0.07 per share for the third quarter of 2010. This year-over-year variance is due partially to the $0.20 per share loss experienced in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Ameet Thakkar, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Ameet I. Thakkar - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Mayo, just real quickly. We've obviously seen a lot of testimony and filings at the Maryland Public Service Commission in support of the merger. But can you just kind of quickly kind of run through how you see what the main kind of issues are that you think need to be addressed in Maryland and kind of what is at the MPSC in the governor's office? Where do you think they're basing in and what the key issues that you see need to be addressed over the next couple of months?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Sure. I mean, I think as we have discussed at the last call, maybe 2 calls, we spent a considerable amount of time in advance of the merger trying to assess what we thought the parties would be most interested in such that merger would be perceived in Maryland as beneficial to the BGE customer, as well as other stakeholders in the states. So our conclusion from all of that was we needed to have a meaningful rate credit. We know the state in particular is very interested in the renewable area. And thirdly, I guess, I would place jobs as being the topic du jour and in particular the impact of locating what we perceive to be the growth businesses of the company here in Baltimore and really based off of our front-end marketing operations that have been built here over the last 10 years or so, and which have more than 1,000 people working in it. So when we put the package together, we felt that we're being very responsive to these and a few other lesser considerations. And I think in our discussions, given the aggregate value of this package is substantial, it's clearly way in advance of what was agreed to in the FirstEnergy and Allegheny mergers which we could at least use as a proxy to help develop some of our strategies on this front. But I think we've been very pleased by the receptivity to the original package in these areas. Everyone has different views on it as you can imagine. I do think that probably the most substantial ask in the equation that'll be debated over the course of the next couple of weeks has to do with the renewable commitment within the state, and I suspect there'll be plenty of debate about that. But in general I think we've been very pleased by the response, the level of support that's been sent into the PSC in advance of the hearings. And I think we're going to have a healthy -- I know it'll feel like a noisy debate for a few weeks, but I think it'll be a healthy one and we're very optimistic about how the proceedings will go.

Ameet I. Thakkar - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, Mayo. And certainly appreciate the comments on the renewable, but just to kind of, I guess, clarify, I mean, do you guys view the Maryland Public Service Commissions kind of RFP for additional gas generation? Is that kind of a separate and distinct process from the merger approval?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Well, I think that's kind of a tough question. I guess the answer is, in theory, yes, I think they're separate issues. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the course of the hearings attempts to integrate them. As you may now, there has been an interest on the part of the state to actually change the specifications of the RFP to include things other than gas. So there's I would say a little bit of a wrinkle in terms of the input from constituents in Maryland as to where that's headed. And I believe that the commission has signaled, at least, from a timing standpoint, that this is an issue to be dealt with after the conclusion of our merger hearings. We may hear a little bit about it in that context. But as you know, our position as a compan,y and Exelon's too, has been to be a strong advocate for competitive markets. And when do get into that RFP process, I think you're going to hear a lot of different views as to the economic impact of approaching new generation in this way, and I can see the commission coming to any number of different conclusions about this. So it's very hard to speculate when they see what the cost is submitted of new generation. We may find that, that's an unacceptable option from their standpoint or we may find that they open it up again to consider a broader set of options within the RFP beyond just what is now there, which is gas plants.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jon Cohen, ISI Group.

Jon Cohen - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Just had a question on NewEnergy. It seems like by affirming guidance for 2011 at $3.05 to $3.35, you're sort of implicitly reaffirming your NewEnergy guidance of $0.90 to $1.10 if we assumed that the $0.17 from the hurricanes is coming out of BGE. And then when we look at what your adjusted EPS is for the 9 months ending September, it's $0.41. So how do we get another $0.50 in the fourth quarter? And maybe if you could just take us through some of the puts and takes. I know in the first quarter you had $0.14 for the ice storms in Texas. You had another $0.16 this quarter and you have $0.07 of dilution. So what are the offsets to those negatives?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Sure, Jon, this is Jack. I think actually we're explicitly affirming the range that you suggested of $0.90 to $1.10. With respect to that business, as you mentioned, we did have the event, the ice storm in Texas, which actually as you think about our business being somewhat unique with the segmentation of generation separate from the NewEnergy business. A good portion of that impact in Texas during the ice storm in February was actually showed in the generation segment and that's been offset this year by better-than-expected performance from our Boston Generating acquisition, and as well as our plants have performed extremely well during the summer in Texas that we purchased part of the Navasota transaction. On the NewEnergy side, obviously the summer events in Texas were felt acutely in the portfolio management element of that business. And as you mentioned, we do have the impact in retail primarily driven by dilution associated with, as well as integration expenses for MXenergy and StarTex with the contract amortization as well as the onetime cost of integrating our existing residential business with StarTex and MX. And then we have seen some margin degradation in the retail business as market participants have moved away from the wholesale load serving business and focused on retail. Actually we've seen margins expand in the wholesale segment as competitions diminished just as we've seen margin compressed in the retail business as competitions increased. And what I'd say there is, that just speaks to the importance of the diversity of the marketing channels that we have at our disposal and the importance of the value of the breadth of the business to the extent that we see competition increasing in one area. Historically, we've been able to direct our business in other areas. And at times, in the 2008 and '09 period, that competition was acute within the wholesale segment and we are making very attractive margins in the retail segment. And as market participants struggle to price and manage attrition as prices have declined, we've seen market participants exit that space and focus on the retail space. And obviously, as they've zigged, we've zagged. With respect to your comments on how we have confidence in the remainder of the year, I think that's actually -- the beauty of this business is you're constantly building a backlog that you measure and deliver on a quarterly basis. And we have a high degree of visibility on delivering the $0.90 to $1.10 full year result.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jay Dobson, Wunderlich Securities.

James L. Dobson - Wunderlich Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Jack, could I just finish up on that last question? Because I'm still sort of not there, and I hear you on the sort of, I guess, to a certain degree your visibility into the business. But again in the quarter here, even forgetting about February, your press release indicates $0.16 negative impact from Texas, and then sort of $0.12 from, as I interpret it, lower margins. So that was unexpected, yet, you're still guiding to the $0.90 to $1.10 for NewEnergy. Just help me, what happened in the quarter that gave you the offsets to that $0.28 extensively?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Sure, Jay. Let me maybe first off clarify the $0.12. I wouldn't relate $0.12 in retail to margins. I think as we called out in the third quarter, $0.07 of that $0.12 is related to integration expense as well as contract amortization from purchase accounting associated with StarTex and MX. And as you know, in purchase accounting, as those customer contracts roll off, that expense is felt most acutely in the front 4 to 6 quarters. So that's really what's driving that. And I'd remark on the margin degradation, the remaining $0.05 is really a year-over-year experience and I think, fair to say that in 2010 we were still benefiting from the phenomenon that I mentioned earlier whereby there had been reduced competition in the retail space and we had very attractive customer margins. This is just the very problematic roll-off of those higher margins, as well as the renewal of customers at lower margins in a low-volatility, low-price environment. With respect to what are the offsets to the $0.16, as well as the retail $0.12, as I mentioned, we have seen on a year-over-year basis just in the third quarter alone, we're seeing significant benefit from the contributions of our wholesale load serving structure products business. That in and of itself is a $0.36 year-over-year positive in the business. Obviously, we have the divestiture of our CEP assets, that's the upstream business, and as you know we've continued to make investments and will continue to develop and harvest those investments in the gas space as we're investing in a non-operating position with operators to both procure natural gas for our gas-fired generation, as well as we're developing distillates and oil that are helping fund some of the development of our properties. And then finally, if you look at the portfolio management, and we alluded to this in the presentation, if you look at the portfolio management's contributions in regions other than Texas, that has been and continues to be a very positive contributor offsetting in part the experience in Texas, and again, I think that just speaks to the importance geographically of being diverse and not overly weighted towards one region. As well as, obviously, as I mentioned before the importance of the diversity of marketing channels with which to focus on to the extent that competition increases in one area, you can divert resources from that area and apply to less competitive parts.

James L. Dobson - Wunderlich Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst

That's helpful, Jack. So for clarity, the $0.07 gain on CEP you would include that ongoing and would be part of the $0.90 to $1.10?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

That's correct.

James L. Dobson - Wunderlich Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And then the $0.36 structured products and sort of wholesale load serving, it seems like a big number, would you characterize this as having increased risk that in order to get to that number or is this sort of regular way and just seeing opportunities?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Well, one, I would say, this is not -- the $0.36 wasn't originated in this quarter. It's the combination of many years of origination efforts whether it's winning load auctions or whether it's other structure products efforts. So on a year-over-year basis that's just the nature of the backlog as its realized and delivered into earnings. With respect to risk, I'd say, actually, we are benefiting from others' inability to manage their price risk that our strategists and internal portfolio management capability are expert at delivering against a broad array of risk that we manage, we price actuarially, and then we deliver to the bottom line. And so I would say quite the opposite, this is really -- our structure products are really in some parts just leveraging our core experience within the load -- the wholesale load serving markets to deliver bottom line results in contributions to our shareholders.

James L. Dobson - Wunderlich Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And then last question, on Texas, I hear you on the $0.16 loss in retail. Can we look at the other side of the ledger and sort of say what was the benefit you guys realized in Texas specifically? So there's legacy Navasota assets from this extreme heat if we were looking to sort of a regional basis, net number of the extreme weather?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Maybe, said differently, Jay. As we think about and what has us excited about the Exelon merger is the ability to leverage physical generation to manage our load positions in the state. And in terms of their contribution, no doubt the excellent performance of the 2 Navasota assets that we procured were very valuable in helping the $0.16 not be a bigger number. I think importantly, perspectively, as we were thinking -- as we're thinking about how we'll manage our risk in Texas, because of the extreme volatility in that market where you can see within a span of hours, prices clear from anywhere from $3,000 to $50 to $100 a megawatt hour, the ability to manage that extreme super peak risk is best done with physical assets. And as we look at the Exelon high-heat rate assets, not only are they earning important ancillary revenues, but more importantly, to the extent you keep them open and I think it would be prospectively our plan to do so as Exelon has historically keep those open to manage in a physical manner that super peak exposure. What that allows us to do is to better manage the diversity of outcomes that we see, and reduce the risk of embedded within that ERCOT market which is very much one of super peak high price risk exposure during extreme volatility periods.

James L. Dobson - Wunderlich Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst

No, no, I absolutely agree with, sir, where you're going on the merger. But you're not suggesting the $0.16 includes any netting of the generation benefit from operation of the Navasota assets, are you?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

So the -- as we think about how we manage -- and we have obviously the generation segment and then we have the NewEnergy segment, the construct by which those work is our generation is eventually sold at mids to our NewEnergy business who then uses it to in its portfolio management efforts to manage the exposures that we have through our wholesale and retail load serving business. The strong performance of those assets during what was an extreme heat period, obviously was an important risk management tool for our portfolio managers in managing and navigating the risk in Texas. So I can't say that there's netting, but that said, those assets were very much part of our risk management strategy for ERCOT in the third quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Fremont, Jefferies & Company. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: I guess the starting point would be, your guidance for this year is $3.05 to $3.35, excludes Hurricane Irene restoration cost which I assume are $0.17 on the year?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Yes. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: And then the mark-to-market loss in the third quarter was $0.27. What is that year-to-date?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

On a year-to-date basis, Paul, that's $0.29. So it was $0.13 loss in the first quarter, $0.11 positive in the second quarter, and then $0.27 loss this quarter. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay. So in terms of the previous quarters, then, just on the mark-to-market, that's almost a $0.30 adjustment to your range, assuming -- we don't know the fourth quarter, obviously.

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Paul, I think maybe it's important to take a step back and understand what that mark-to-market timing element is. As you know, we employ hedge accounting and we also use financial instruments to hedge accrual exposures in our load serving business. To the extent that whether it's coal prices move, gas prices move, power prices move, any number of constituent pieces of how power gets priced move depending on whether we're using financial hedges or financial instruments to hedge physical obligations that can obviously create a positive or a negative. You also have -- to the extent that there are significant moves, and there have been if you look at the price of coal, I think it's down $10 this quarter on a per-ton basis at NYMEX. If you look at natural gas, it's down significantly within the quarter, as you look at the curve. Those declines in prices show up in the form of mark-to-market timing. It doesn't actually impact the overall cash that will flow to the business, and therefore, we exclude that from our adjusted operating results. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: No. I just want to sort of understand. And you would expect that, that obviously reverses in future periods, right?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

I think it's fair to say, depending on how commodity prices move, we will continue to have this on a recurring basis and it can either be positive or negative. Importantly, the cash that we expected from the business that we have conducted, we expect the flow and hit the cash flow statement. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Going back to taxes, I mean you'll have more generation, you'll still be short relative to the amount of supply sales. Does that mean that you ultimately need to change your options and hedging strategy or are you going to continue to sort of be at risk for weather anomalies either cold or hot?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

I think, Paul, what's unique about ERCOT is really the exposure that you're most concerned about is the super peak and load-following exposure. And so if you look at the composition of assets in ERCOT, there is an abundance. If you look at actually the supply stack, it's very flat until you get out to the extreme and then it gets very steep with the high heat rate unit such as the ones that -- sorry, Freud [ph] and Exelon owns. So as we look at our ability to manage our ERCOT exposure, it's really the combination of those load-following assets. So we're very excited to see Exelon success in buying Ohio [ph]. We obviously have our Navasota assets. They have other combined cycles in Texas, as well as a super peak plans. Those are the types of assets that are incredibly valuable in that market in helping you manage your exposure. It's not as relevant or important to have base load exposure just because of its abundance given the wind's composition in the state. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Looking at sort of the most recent Ohio auctions, is there any way for you to comment on sort of margin -- supply margin expectations in that market? Did they sort of play a role in leading to sort of a weaker total number in the auction? And are you seeing significant compression of margins there?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Paul, are you asking from the generation side or from the... Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: From NewEnergy's point of view.

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

From NewEnergy's point of view, actually, I think we've been very pleased with the margins what we've earned both in the Ohio auctions, as well as in New England and in the Mid-Atlantic. So from our perspective, those auctions cleared at very attractive prices. I can appreciate how if you were a generator with owned generation in the state or in the region, that auction might have been perceived as not as positive. But I think that's just a reflection of the low gas price, delayed cash for environment that we're in. Paul B. Fremont - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then the last question for me is, in Maryland, do you see that going to a litigated final order or is there a possibility of the party settling?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

I think there's always the possibility, I think, given the time frame we're in right now, we're clearly going to go into hearings and there may well be an opportunity between the end of those hearings and final order to be in some settlement discussion. But I don't think we can count on it. So I think that the next few weeks would be sort of dynamic in that respect, and we'll see where it ends up.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Julian deMulan Smith [ph], UBS.

Unknown Analyst -

Analyst

A couple of quick questions. First, with respect to your comments earlier on wholesale versus retail, how would you characterize your origination efforts as they stand today one versus the other and maybe you could address that with a little bit more granularity, vis-à-vis, geographies?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Obviously, the wholesale auction is only active in markets where they conduct that. So within New England, we see that within the Mid-Atlantic whether it's BGS or whether it's the Maryland load auctions and then out into Ohio and Pennsylvania. And from an activity standpoint, we have, relative to our expectations from the year, had a higher win rate in those auctions at attractive margins than in our beginning-of-the-year assumptions. On the retail side, we continue to do a robust business there. We're seeing attractive renewal rates. On the win rate side relative to expectation, we're coming in a little bit less than we expected but in part, that's just a reflection of the increased competition we're seeing in that market, which really, I think, reflects certain generators viewing that as a more desirable, less risky hedge of their generation output.

Unknown Analyst -

Analyst

And how does the pending Exelon merger kind of integrate into your plans? I mean, I've noticed that you've guys have certainly engaged in a number of acquisitions this year. I mean, how would you think going forward both from an acquisition perspective and from a new territory approach? I mean, would Illinois or Ohio be more so on the map now than in the past perhaps?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Well, I think, no doubt, we view the business strategically as a growth business and a business where market share matters. We're the leader in the business nationally and I think we completely expect to be able to build on that position. We've introduced over the course of the last several years a multichannel strategy, number one. So in the more recent experiment on the residential side, where we have close to 1 million customers now. I think we'll clearly keep expanding the penetration rate in each of our states is moving in the right direction. We have switching rates early in their adoption phase in New Jersey and Illinois that I -- where I think there's a lot of opportunity going forward and we will keep trying to refine that model so that the customer acquisition side of it makes sense for us. But I think we're very committed to that and feel that it's promising channel development for us. At the same time, and something we keep trying to allude to critically in the last 2 or 3 years is the opportunity for us to increase the scope of the business with respect to our CNI customer base, and so there have been a lot of new products introduced, the sales force has been reoriented to sell multiple products. The retail gas business is going along quite well and growing. So I think the opportunity for both channel development and scope development is still very significant, and when you combine that with markets that are still underpenetrated with switching rates that haven't really yet moved on the steep part of the S-curve, I think there's a lot of opportunity. So we're approaching this as a very, very interesting growth opportunity. The renewable component of this with our customer base is expanding quite rapidly, solar installations, and we expect other distributed generation opportunities to come up in the years ahead. So probably, the most important strategic rationale behind the merger has to do with this match between physical generation and our front end, but at the same time, the longer-term strategy has to do with customer acquisition and penetration, and I think both companies are very committed to that.

Unknown Analyst -

Analyst

Quick last question here. As I'm looking at sort of the Maryland proceedings, if you will, curious to what extent you can comment on palatability of investing renewables, I mean what are the puts and takes in your mind? What is the caution in your mind of committing to perhaps a little bit of higher level of buildout, if you will?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Well, I think, we've put together a pretty aggressive offer. 25 megawatts on the renewable side which is -- would be a substantial increase in Maryland. I believe in the FE order the number is more like 5 megawatts. And part of our assessment of what a reasonable commitment would be had to do with looking at that benchmark. So we think that that's a good offer. Maryland is not right with a huge amount of resources with respect to thinking about things like wind and solar. There are some other opportunities that are less conventional in arenas like chicken litter and biofuels and so forth, which will also be examined. But I think that we feel like we're in a pretty good space there. We're obviously in a market where there is some likely or there's importation of power now, but there's also importation of racks and they'll likely be the case in future years. But we'll see how that dialogue goes. But I think that we -- amongst a number of constituents that we've discussed this with, I think that they feel like our commitment is quite substantial.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Patterson, Glenrock Associates.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

I wanted to touch base with you on the wholesale transaction, that $0.36. What exactly was that?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

I think first of all, Paul, it's the culmination of a series of transactions really related to both our wholesale load serving business, as well as some of the structured products that we offer to our products, whether that's generator products in the form of unit contingent hedges off nuclear assets, whether it's in the form of those that are exiting the wholesale load serving markets, selling us their books of business. Those are all types of transactions that are in, that would fall in that category, and again it's really related to our core business that we've doing for the last 10 years of participating in wholesale load options and our ability to price both customer attrition, as well as VLR and the other constituent risk, variable load risk which is just the relationship between temperature and consumption. All of those constituent risk, we, I think, have developed expertise over the 10 plus years that we've been doing it starting with the Globeman joint venture and BNA of pricing that actuarial risk and we're the best in the business, we believe at it.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Sure. I guess, but it just seems like I haven't seen this for several quarters and it just seems like it's a large amount this quarter, I'm just wondering if there was a particular reason or is that just how it worked out this quarter?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Again it's a year-over-year comparison, quarterly comparison. And I think it's very much a reflection of just the nature of the way the backlog worked.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

I got you. Then when I'm looking at this -- I see this $0.12 decline in the business, and it sounds like $0.07 of that because of the dilution of the MX and StarTex acquisitions. Is that right? So it's really more like a $0.05 decline outside of that?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

$0.05 year-over-year, quarter-over-quarter, that's correct.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Okay. So when I'm looking -- actually, when I run down the numbers, when I take $0.23 for the quarter and I back out the wholesale load, when I back out the CEP divestiture, when I back out the $0.16 hit from Texas weather, and from the $0.07 of MXenergy, I come up with about $0.10 delta, what else is sort of going on there that we should be thinking about?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

So, you have the absence of the 2010 innovation is $0.20, year-over-year.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Right, I'm including that as well.

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

You've got the $0.36 related to wholesale load serving structure products, $0.07 of CEP, $0.16 loss from Texas, $0.12 loss from the retail business impacts primarily MX and StarTex, and I think you get to roughly $0.05 that is just other items of year-over-year loss, that's just a variety of puts and takes.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Okay, then what I wanted to ask you, is in Texas this floor for non-spinning reserve that they discussed yesterday, I guess, of about 120 and I think 180 for online, offline. It's a little complicated. What do you guys think would be the impact, all things being equal, ballpark, obviously of that kind of a floor being instituted in Texas?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

I would say, Paul, it's too new for us to have done our deliberate work. I will say that certainly the experience of our sales and probably more specifically for other market participants does support the value of peakers in terms of managing the variability, as well as the volatility within that Texas market. Certainly, we're glad to have, as part of the Exelon merger, their high heat rate plans. We're actually even at the early stages of looking at analysis as to whether it might be economic to build our derivative peakers at our existing Navasota sites. Obviously, no. Nothing further than initial pencil work and model building, but the experience this summer definitely validates the physical value of offsetting that super peak risk.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Right. But we don't have -- do you guys have any idea of what this -- I mean, I'm sure you have some idea, but can you share with us a little bit of flavor as to what's this non-spinning reserve floor? If there's any sensitivity to that, that we could maybe think would could quantify it to some value for us or is it just too early to say, I guess?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Too early to say, Paul. Sorry.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then as you know in April there was a FERC order in, not just with the site of the moper in New England -- excuse, me in PJM, but there was also another order that happened in New England that basically was sort of positive, I would think, towards generation, at least, incumbent generation, by trying to prohibit the impact of out-of-market new generation from coming into the market, and influencing the capacity market. I was wondering if you guys have any thoughts about how that might change the outlook in the capacity markets in New England?

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

I think, again, at this point, Paul, hard for us to comment on the outlook for capacity in New England. Obviously, you're starting at a very low base.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates LLC

Analyst

Right.

Jonathan W. Thayer

Analyst

Particularly given the impact of what's been done in Connecticut. So anything that adds to the value of existing generation is a positive for us given our New England exposure.

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

I think we have, operator, one more question.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Brian Chin, Citigroup.

Brian Chin - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but on the renewables question in the merger, if I understand it right, the governor's office is actually asking -- we're starting from a much higher request for megawatts. Could you give us a sense of under what conditions would you more strongly consider moving your offer from 25 megawatts to a higher number?

Mayo A. Shattuck

Analyst

Well, that's probably exactly what you would not want us to do over a call, an earnings call. I think, again, the offer is very strong, but in the realm of renewables. Well, you have to keep in mind that it's also an aspect of a package of things, so that in totality, we're talking about an offer that exceeds $250 million, of which renewables is a component. And part of this process is actually to allow the interveners and all interested parties to debate the merits of that package and so would it surprise us that, that mix changes a little bit? No. But I can't give you any guidance because you can't really negotiate one component without thinking about the overall package. So we highlight the fact that the state is more interested in renewables and they might be one other aspect of it, but there's going to be another constituent that cares more about another element of it. So I think, in the end, that's what the next 2 weeks is going to be all about and we'll see where it comes out. Well, thank you all very much and I'm sure you'll be interested in reading the newspapers over the course of the next few weeks and we look forward to getting a positive vote on November 17, and moving towards finalizing the merger. So thanks for all your support.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's conference. Thank you for attending. You may disconnect at this time.