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Constellation Energy Corporation (CEG)

Q2 2010 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 28, 2010

$295.18

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Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions):

Carim Khouzami

Management

On slide three, you will notice that we’ll use non-GAAP financial measures in this presentation to help you understand our operating performance. We have attached an appendix to the charts on the website reconciling non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. With that, I would like to turn the time over to Mayo Shattuck, Chairman, President and CEO of Constellation Energy.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Thank you, Carim. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. This morning we reported second quarter adjusted earnings of $0.71 per share. Including one-time items Constellation reported second quarter GAAP earnings of $0.36 per share. We are reaffirming our guidance range of $3.05 to $3.45 per share for 2010 and $3.25 to $3.65 per share for 2011. Jack will discuss this in more detail during the financial section of the presentation. During the quarter our NewEnergy platform continues to perform well, our wholesale business had a successful quarter winning new business with strong margins and profitability. In addition, we had opportunities to purchase existing load contracts from other integrated companies at attractive returns. Our retail business experienced a strong sales quarter, meeting or exceeding our plan for volume, gross margin originated, renewal and win rates, and equity returns on originated business. As we’ve spoken about during the quarter, originated unit margin declined as compared to previous quarters, Jack will speak more to this later in the presentation. In the second quarter, we added more than 1,800 megawatts of additional capacity to our portfolio. This included closing on the purchase of the two 550-megawatt gas plants in Texas, and bringing our Hillabee gas plant in Alabama into commercial operation. This brings Constellation's total owned generating capacity to nearly 9,000 megawatts and continues effort to increase our physical generation footprint. These plans provide working capital and collateral efficiencies for our NewEnergy business. In addition, during the quarter, the profitability outlook for our Generation fleet improved on the better-than-expected 2013 to 14 PJM auction clearing price for the MAAC zone. As you know, the majority of our non-nuclear generation is located in this region. As was widely reported during the second quarter, BGE filed expected electric and gas distribution rate…

Jack Thayer

Management

Take you, Mayo and good morning everyone. Turning to slide 9, I will review our financials for the second quarter of 2010. As Mayo mentioned, our GAAP earnings for the second quarter of 2010 were $0.36 per share. During the quarter, we recognized special items of $0.35 per share. Details of these items can be found on slide 16 in the additional modeling section. Backing out the special items are second quarter adjusted earnings for $0.71 per share. BGE reported adjusted earnings of $0.07 per share for the second quarter of 2010, as compared to $0.06 per share for the second quarter of 2009. This favorable variance is driven primarily by improved collections from our customers in 2010. Our generation segment reported adjusts earnings of $0.29 per share down $0.08 per share as compared to the second quarter of 2009. This decline was driven primarily by the sale of 50% of our nuclear assets offset in part by lower interest expenses. Giver our highly hedged profile, commodity price fluctuations have little impact on this segment second quarter earnings. Our NewEnergy segment operations reported adjusts earnings of $0.21 per share in 2010, as compared to adjusted earnings of $0.66 per share for the second quarter of 2009. As you will recall, during the second quarter of 2009 we monetized the wholesale contract that returned liquidity and accelerated earnings, increasing earnings by $0.29 in that quarter. The rest of the year-over-year change is primarily the result of Constellations previously announced restructuring of its wholesale energy business, resulting in lower electric volumes. The second quarter 2010 results reflect a new scale of the business. Turning to slide 10. Constellation is efficiently managing its balance sheet, maintaining its investment grade rating and deploying excess cash at attractive risk adjusted returns. Our competitive business maintains…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instruction) Your first question comes from Dan Eggers, Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Jack, I was wondering if you could just get a little bit more into the NewEnergy margin trends in the second quarter, given that the pretty significant backlog you already had in place, that the dollar per megawatt hour margins on retail are a bit surprising. Could you just explore that a little more, please?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

Hi, Dan, this is Kathy Hyle. So we continue to expect 5 to 7 margins in the retail business over the long-term, and the 2 to 4 margins that we previously communicated to you in the wholesale business as well over the long-term. And margins as you've heard really before is just one of many factors that we use to assess and manage our business, so other factors include renewal rates, win rates, collateral costs, customer mix, operating costs and more importantly, or most importantly, profitability. And we have been, and we target returns in the 11% to 14% range, which I think we share with you on Analyst Day. We have been, and are, conscious and intentional in targeting the right customers, and it's these customers that will prove more profitable as they are renewed and as we have the opportunity to provide multiple products to the customers.

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Okay. So I guess, Kathy, if you think about the fact that you had a backlog expectation and a volume expectation coming into the year, and then I see the margins as under as much pressure as they were just on the retail side of the business, clearly, I don't think you expected a hot quarter to put the volumes through, so why did the margin decline relative to what presumably was in the backlog that you guys provided earlier?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

Yes, so let me clarify, the margins that we presented, I think, in slide 12, that Jack was talking to, are originated business, business that we sold in the quarter which differentiates from business that we realized or that we flowed in the quarter. Those margins were significantly higher north of $6 in the retail side. Does that help?

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

So I mean, the old margins were higher that was in backlog, but if you look at the unit margins and the force for the quarter, that would tell you that there was a, an interesting mix either on volumes that weren't hedged or the backlog didn't show up the same way as the $6 plus originated margins?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

No, the backlog absolutely showed up. Help me…

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

So you have sort of to dilute down to the 4 and some odd dollar per megawatt hour margin you saw in the second quarter, you had to have a huge amount of volumes that weren't hedged that came in well below target?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

The 4.35 does not include any backlog. It is just new business that we booked in the quarter for realization in the future. So there's no backlog in that 4.35 number.

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Okay. We might follow up on that. And I guess just from a what pricing you're doing new business and what’s you’re adding back I think you guys had recently said that was coming into lower end of the range, does that affect the outlook for guidance for next year for the business if the current conditions continue?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

No, we're comfortable as Jack said with our guidance range for next year, although we're likely to be in the lower end of that guidance range based on what we're seeing right now from origination standpoint.

Dan Eggers - Credit Suisse

Analyst

So if you're doing new business on the retail business at $4 to $5 a megawatt hour signing up new business there today, you're still going to fall at the low end of the range?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

That's correct.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Greg Gordon, Morgan Stanley, your line is open.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Thanks, several questions, just quick follow-up on that first. You mentioned in your opens comments that you acquired load from other entities during the quarter, so should I presume that the, that the volume expectations for 2011 are also up significantly relative to the last disclosure? You're making, you're able to hold the guidance because you're making lower average volumes on a higher expectation of deliveries?

Jack Thayer

Management

Greg, this is Jack. I'll take that one. I think our volume expectations for 2011 have not changed from Q1’s guidance.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Great.

Jack Thayer

Management

Greg, the important part there, and maybe this is a bit too nuance, but one of the comments I made in the presentation is in this lower volatility, lower priced environment, the collateral charges that we are, that the collateral we're paying for to reserve or to post, to support businesses is lower. So overall profitability for megawatt hours, put aside the gross margin discussion, but the profitability EPS contribution is what, is higher so that's what allows us to sustain that, that guidance range at the same price level.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

So when we drop down from gross margin per customer to EBIT and then to earnings, the collateral charge being allocated to NewEnergy or lower?

Jack Thayer

Management

That's correct.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Okay.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Greg, I might also add that, yes, pretty consistent phenomenon over the years at the wholesale level is that competitors come and go, and what has happened this year is some acceleration of the exiting of certain participant at the wholesale level, and they are re-marketing their load obligations back to people who are active in the market like ourselves, and so we do model that to our plans in terms of wholesale volumes. But what's been interesting is the fact that we can lose at the front end of some of these wholesale auctions, but it's not that infrequent that load actually comes back to us again as people come in and out. And I think that that speaks to the fact that we've been in the business for 12 or 13 years now. Some of the exiting players will come to us in the normal course to offer up their load obligations knowing that we're actually a quick responder, we're commercial, and we've been in it for a long time. So as you know, people sometimes use the wholesale auction level for various strategic purposes, but we're in it consistently year in and year out and participating as a core business.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

One more quick question on that and I have a couple other questions. So the lower collateral charges, is that a lower inter-company charge or is that a function of, or does that relate to the fact that you're now saying you only need the whole $400 million of cash versus your prior guidance that you needed to hold 1 billion of cash, and so therefore you're able to redistribute that capital, or is it actually just sort of an inter-company allocation?

Jack Thayer

Management

It's perhaps a little more nuance than that. The actual, the posting requirements are lower, the cash posting requirements are lower.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

That’s the start on their posting requirements.

Jack Thayer

Management

That's correct.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Okay.

Jack Thayer

Management

And so while some of it is as you suggest an inter-company charge in terms of how much collateral we have to reserve to be able to post, if prices decline, just because prices are at a lower overall level and have lower volatility, the actual cash we have to post externally to the extent we hedge the exchange is also lower which, obviously, it has lower costs.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Great. So now you had been telling investors that we should presume that $1 billion of your cash balance was reserved for back stopping this business. You've indicated here on one of your slides that you think your cash balance needs to be around $400 million, so should we assume that you've essentially changed your guidance on how much cash you need to hold by $600 million?

Jack Thayer

Management

I think that's correct. Now that we have clarity on the FinReg regulations while it's going to take 18 months likely to translate the thousand pages of legislation into actual rules and implementation, I mean, it's our view that we're quite comfortable reducing what we described as perhaps $1 billion of cash we could keep around to $400 million of cash for working capital.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

So that's $600 million that you can now deploy by asset?

Jack Thayer

Management

Yes.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Great.

Jack Thayer

Management

Or invest in growth elements of the business like solar, like wind.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Couple other questions, switching to the generation business. Generation earnings guidance improved kind of $0.10 to $0.15 in 11. And all things equal, that would infer a fairly large exposure, larger exposure to commodity prices that you guide to for 12 and 13, but going through the deck; I see you've increased your assumed generation output in PJM at the coal fleet? Could you go through what the components are that drove up the guidance for '11 by $0.10 to $0.15? How much it is higher output from the coal fleet, how much is the Texas acquisition, etcetera?

Jack Thayer

Management

I guess first off, I don't think we would say that we anticipate raising guidance on 2011; it was more we would come in at the upper end of the range. With respect to, as we mentioned, in Q1 we had a 74% generation hedge on 2011, and as of Q2, we're about 77% hedge, so we have kept ourselves open to benefit from the rise in prices that we did see during the quarter. And as we mentioned, during the call, we've seen significant improvement in '12 and '13 as prices have rebounded, and were less hedged in that.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

You know what? I read that slide wrong. So that was a silly question. I apologize. You flipped around some of the lines there. Going to 12 though and 13, this specifically in '12, you indicated that Generation is up $104 million because of the capacity. That leaves $130 million sort of unexplained, obviously power price are up, but just power price changes since your last update don't explain the full $130 million vis-à-vis the sensitivities you’ve laid out. So could you give us sort of a verbal waterfall that explains the other $130 million?

Jack Thayer

Management

Sure. And wanted just to provide some numbers, the changes, about $79 million in 2012 and the real benefit from the MAAC capacity is $234 million increase in 2013. That's really when we see the half year benefit, so $104 million comes from capacity. I think importantly, as you look out to '14, I know that's a long ways out there for people, but we would expect to get a full year benefit from this higher sustained capacity prices so it really starts to improve things in '14 and beyond. You're seeing about half of that $79 million come from capacity, and about half of it coming from a rise in power prices. I'll tell you that Navasota is starting to contribute to the bottom line in '12 and '13 as well.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

All right. So in '13, there's $104 million benefit, so there is $130 million that has to be explained by other factors. You're saying that part of that is the acquisition of the Texas plant?

Jack Thayer

Management

Part of it's the acquisition of the Texas plant; I would say the majority of it is just an outlook for improved dark spreads and E-rates out the curve.

Greg Gordon - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

So it's reflective of the curve or it's reflective of your point of view and where things are heading?

Jack Thayer

Management

Reflective of the curve.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gregg Orrill, Barclays Capital. Your line is open.

Gregg Orrill - Barclays Capital

Analyst

There were a couple of data points over the last day on nuclear loan guarantees that maybe you could help clarify and make sense up. There was the passage of the war bill, and whether or not that included an increase and also the report from France on the commitment to nuclear globally?

Jack Thayer

Management

Yes I'll have Mike Wallace speak to both those issues.

Mike Wallace

Analyst

Sure, to the first issue. Our application for Calvert Cliff Unit 3 continues to move through the DOE process in, from our perspective in acceptable form. And we are hopeful that the remaining authority that the Department of Energy holds today will be used as a basis for granting a loan guarantee to our project. In addition, as you recognize, there are a number of efforts that are underway to provide additional funding authorization to DOE to grant loan guarantees to other project and we're supportive of that effort as well for the industry. But we're very focused to work with DOE with our application. We believe it is ripe, we're pleased that the DOE actually approved our application on June 10 to the credit committee, and we have only one step remaining, and that's the credit review board at DOE. And we're hopeful that we will see action there sometime in the very near future.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

In addition, you asked about the developments in France. There have been several issues with respect to EDF and [Areva] and the relationship between the two, as well as some focus on France's overall effort to support new nuclear globally. Just yesterday, the so-called recently report was issued, it was by France saw recently report to the President of France, bringing forth a number of findings and recommendations all with an objective of improving the way France is positioned to succeed with new nuclear. And they have put a very specific focus on success of their activities with their plant in France and preparation for their activities in the U.K., and drawing the lessons learned from both Finland and China into that process. In addition the working relationship EDF and Areva is now made much more clear, so that there will be a focal point and it will be EDF to lead the French nuclear efforts around the globe, and that includes, of course, here in the U. S. We have been working very closely with EDF for the past three years, in all matters related to new nuclear, and in particular, our project stands to benefit from the lessons learned of the one unit in Finland, one in France, and two in China before we are ready to really put a shovel in the ground and move significantly forward here. So further the delay of our project in the queue compared to the others will benefit from the lessons learned that France is now bringing to the forefront.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Brian Chin, Citigroup. Your line is open.

Brian Chin - Citigroup

Analyst

I’ve got a follow-up on Greg Gordon’s question. You mentioned the credit review board at the DOE is the last step for the application, what's the likelihood that the credit review board could approve your application before Congress decides whether or not to expand nuclear loan appropriations? Are the two decisions independent or is one kind of tied to the other?

Jack Thayer

Management

Well, I don't think it would be appropriate for me to opine on exactly what DOE may or may not do. What I can be clear about is they have authorization in hand today to be able to provide a conditional loan guarantee commitment for our application. However, additional authorizations needed for future project that get to a similar state. Our project is the only one that is as advanced in the DOE process as it is. And therefore, would seem most readily available to be assigned to the authorization available today. But exactly how the administration and DOE will move the process forward, I think, is really not for us to opine. We're hopeful and we see everything lined up but we don't know exactly what the schedule might be.

Brian Chin - Citigroup

Analyst

Okay, great. And I've got one more follow-up on earlier question from Greg Gordon. With regards to the 2013 EBIT outlook, you mentioned that it was Navasota plus just the forward curves and heat rates that explain that delta upwards in EBIT year-over-year relative to capacity prices for Navasota, do you have the utilization assumption at Navasota that's dramatically increasing from '11, '12, into '13 and can you talk through that a little bit?

Jack Thayer

Management

Sure. So with Navasota, as you know it currently operates about 25% capacity factor, we do see that region growing and the market tightening. Importantly, there's no capacity value in the market so, and there's a willingness from ERCOT to let power prices go quite higher as you know. So what we're expecting is both an increase in capacity factor utilization. We model that it gets to approximately 50% as you progress throughout our five year plan. We're also expecting higher power prices as you see reserve margins tighten and, ERCOT uses rising power prices to sent a new build signal.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Neel Mitra, Simmons & Company International. Your line is open. Neel Mitra - Simmons & Company International: Hi. Just wondering if you could discuss the margin assumptions you're using for NewEnergy on the un-originated portion of the backlog for 2011, are you assuming that the contracts move back to the previous range of $5 to $7 a megawatt hour, or you’re assuming that they stay in the $4 range?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

Hi, this is Kathy. So one transaction that we have originated that are in the backlog, the level at which we originated we assume we will realize. So in the chart… Neel Mitra - Simmons & Company International: What about the 41% that hasn't been originated? What kind of margins…

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

The 41% that has not been originated, if we, you know, for 2011, if we don't do anything better than what we've done to date in Q2, so 435, $4.50 range, we would expect to be in the low end of our guidance range.

Jack Thayer

Management

And then Kathy, importantly, you did suggest that 5 to 7 still remains our expected outlook…

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

Absolutely. Long-term over the cycle, we believe 5 to 7 is the right margin range.

Jack Thayer

Management

And I do think Neil just, again, I touched on this a little bit earlier, but part of our logic in breaking out the NewEnergy segment is to transform the discussion from one of gross margin, because I think the manner in which and we've seen this as others have reported but also as Mayo mentioned people exiting the business, we’ve looked at the business, and what we’ve learned is there's a variety of definitions of gross margin within the industry, and really, obviously what everybody cares about is profitability per megawatt hour, and the intent of our new disclosure is really around trying to demonstrate the actual profitability of this business. And importantly, as we leverage our size and scale over risk platform and more of that profitability as gain efficiency drops to the bottom line. That's really what we care about, which is why you hear us focusing on this return on equity concept of 11% to 14%.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

I might add also that hopefully, you hear from us the strategy of being customer centric across a broader set of products so that at some point, the goal is to not exclusively be looking at the margin specifically on the commodity, because we are, have been and will continue to introduce more product content to that relationship which adds to the profitability per customer. So, Jack alluded to the fact that we have about 15% of our revenue now flowing outside of the commodity arena, and our charter here strategically is to increase that product penetration. So over the quarters ahead, hopefully we'll be able to expand a little bit more on that progress because we have a number of initiatives that are geared towards stickier relationships, and more value added type of relationships with our customer base, and so we'll work on ways in which to communicate profitability per customer, profitability per channel, and other sort of transparency that helps a little bit as to whether we're executing on that strategy very well.

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

And just to be perfectly clear, with the backlog that we've already locked in for 2011, and with our expectations on what we will originate for rest of year that may impact 2011, we would expect our margins that would flow in 2011, will be well within that 5 to $7 range. Neel Mitra - Simmons & Company International: Right. Okay. That's helpful. And then just the general macro environment for retail, what caused the lower margins this quarter to be originated closer to 4 rather than the 5 to $7 range which you think is sustainable over the long-term, what was really special about this quarter in terms of competition and what would change going forward to get back into the $5 to $7 range?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

So certainly, this was a competitive quarter, but it's really a mix of our business, so as you look at the mix of our renewals, versus our new customers, the size of customers. We had a much higher percentage of absolute largest customers over 40% of the business that we originated this quarter, were absolute largest customers. And they tend to be a little bit lower margin customers because quite frankly, from a profitability standpoint, they are a lot cheaper to serve, from an operating cost standpoint. So we look at profitability, we're targeting now 11 to 14% range, and mix will impact these margins. Neel Mitra - Simmons & Company International: Okay. Great. And then just one last question, are there opportunities right now for you to make accretive acquisitions in New England or other regions where you're short in generation for the remaining $500 million to $600 million in cash?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Well, as I think that we've stated our strategic intent is to acquire more generation to back the load serving business. So we have a team here that does look at what we believe to be available opportunities and we have them appropriately analyzed some are in process, obviously, Navasota deal closed. We've looked at others, and that will continue for a while. So our intent is to continue to execute on the strategy of acquiring plants, you know, in the regions where we're operating on the load serving side. So it's active, we've got the right resources here to focus on it, and I think we have a high level of confidence that we're going for execute on that you know in course of the next 12 months or so.

Jack Thayer

Management

And Mayo some incremental comments. I think our original thesis we could see an increasing level of opportunity for investment broadly in the competitive markets as this new sustained power price environment plays through is actually coming to fruition. We are starting to receive more - - starting to see other private equity owned or hedge fund owned assets coming to market as well as you're starting to see companies go back to basics and explore investing merchant fleets.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from David Frank, Catapult, your line is open.

David Frank - Catapult Capital

Analyst

Yes hi. Good morning Mayo. Question, you touched a little on the impact of, from the stricter environmental requirements, and I was wondering what steps do you think the EPA will take with regard to the Mercury rule, what is the likelihood they will require a maximum achieved control technology standard, and what opportunity, if any, does this present for you guys?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

I'll have Paul Allen, who is our Chief Environmental Officer address that.

Paul Allen

Analyst

Hi, David. Our view is that EPA has shown every indication of staying on target with the half MAAC rule, which would mean that we would probably begin to see compliance around the industry in the 2014 to 2015 time period, and that's highly likely to drive either retrofits, re-powering or retirement of some significant part of the fleet, and that we would be well positioned to meet that. We probably have to incur some capital expense, but highly likely the fact that we've already taken care of what we needed to do to comply with Healthy Air Act of Maryland positions us better than others.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Ali Agha, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Your line is open.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

Mayo, going back to your opening remarks when you talked about the slow process so far on the DOE approval process and they’re slowing down your work. Can you remind us once more, when by the latest do you need a decision from the DOE, otherwise you will just have to stop the project completely?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

It's definitely a this year decision. I think we've all been geared towards having an answer before this point in time, frankly, and so there's some level of frustration that we haven't had an answer at this point, but as Mike alluded to, we're well into the process. We know our application is the most advanced, and there are other variables that we just simply don't have a whole lot of transparency on as to why it's been tied up. But we've indicated to all of our constituencies, and there have been a lot of them who have been attempted to help us on this, including labor and our congressional delegation, and others that you know, we can't keep going at the rate that we're going without clarity on the loan guarantee. And when we get that loan guarantee, you know that there's a negotiating process with DOE, so it's typically 90 days, like a Southern was given a 30 day extension before solidifying that. There are other; you know there are other things that we need to get on with of which the loan guarantee is sort of the principal catalyst. And we need to get that, you know, such that we can keep pursuing EPC contract, and other risks mitigating aspects before we put a shovel in the ground. So you know, time is a little bit of our enemy at this point, and I think what we're signaling is some level of frustration that this has gone a little bit too long. And you know, we all recognize that we do need government support. And these are huge projects, and you know any single company in our case, we have two companies involved, needs to balance all of the risks and make certain decisions as to whether they can contain the ones they need to contain, and we are very much focused on that.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

But just to be clear on that, even if they were to stretch it out the fourth quarter as long as it’s a calendar 2010, maybe later in the year, you would still be moving forward assuming you would get it?

Jack Thayer

Management

Yes, we're still planning on funding UniStar through the end of the year, so we have plans but during that period of time we need to have the signal at the loan guarantees in place.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

Okay. And separate question on slide 24, when you laid out your liquidity, I noticed that you had the EDF put option in there and then you signaled that it goes away in December and so on and so forth. Could one assume Mayo frankly that you are looking at that less in terms of exercising it more in terms of some other benefits that you could get out of having it in hand. Is that still the way we should be thinking about it?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Well as I alluded to last time we spoke, the, you know, we acknowledged the issues around the put option, but we're frankly really, we're working with EDF holistically on a new nuclear project, and in conjunction with bigger operating partner. So it's really, at this point, not constructive to introduce the put issue into the equation, because we have, you know, a very, you know, detailed and thorough discussions with EDF with respect to the strategic initiatives that were involved in together and we have till year end to address that issue, and we really don't have a lot to say about it, in the meantime.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

Fair enough. And just one last question. I guess, theoretically, you us into a situation if my dates are right where put option is expiring and DOE has not come back to you, I guess that's a theoretic possibility? Is that right?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

I think let say, to your question is that, well, the facts are that put option expires at the end of the year, our tolerance with respect to investment without a loan guarantee is pretty much the end of the year, so yes, I think that the good news for investors is that my view is that a lot of this will resolve itself by the end of this year. We will definitely have a clearer path and be able to sort of resolve these issues.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Patterson, Glenrock Associates. Your line is open.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

Could you remind me why the EDF put goes up to 1.4 billion from 1.1?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

It's, it's actually based on the approval from the Pennsylvania PUC that allows us to transfer Safe Harbor, which is our hydro assets, that's the reason that went up in the quarter.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

Okay. And then, in the press release, you guys said that you purchased some load from other companies that was very attractive, could you elaborate a little bit on that? What was that and how does that work?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Yes. That's simply the business that we've been in a continuous way that particularly along the east coast that the load auction that take place in New England, and New Jersey, and here in Maryland. Historically, we win a fair share and lose a fair share, and some of that share that we've lost comes back on the market, and in effect, they conduct either auctions or bilateral discussions about whether we would take on that load and sometimes that's a function of the load being in the money to a winning participant, and they are trying to extract some cash and in other cases its just the opposite, they simply want to get rid of the obligation, but since we're in and out of the business as long as we're pricing it accordingly, we're happy to participate in effect and what is the sort of a secondary auction.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

Okay. So was it a particularly attractive situation, could you give us a bit of feeling as to how much that was in the quarter?

Jack Thayer

Management

Well, I will give you a sense that I believe it's a significant number that we have bid on and I'm not sure we would size out the low but yes, we feel very comfortable about the margins that we're achieving in the course of those secondary sales.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

Can you give us a feeling of what the mark-to-market impact was for the quarter?

Jack Thayer

Management

Well, Paul before we get there just as we build our plans for the year, we always anticipate because we, as Mayo has mentioned, this has been a continuing part of our business so we always have in our forecast some projection of margin and earnings coming from these types of endeavors.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

True.

Jack Thayer

Management

With respect to your question on mark-to-market, in the quarter, it was positive $47 million, on a year-to-date basis, it's 10. 9 as you recall mark-to-market was negative in the first quarter.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just finally, there was this carbon taxing in Montgomery County, is that isolated, are you seeing any sort of stuff like that happening anywhere else in Maryland I mean, it's kind of always an interesting political environment there, are you seeing anything other than that, which my understanding is that would not affect you, do you see any other activity like that in Maryland?

Paul Allen

Analyst

This is Paul Allen again. Now that's very isolated instance, and it has to do with, you know, really with interior Montgomery county politics, and empathy towards one large company in particular, and I don't see that spreading anywhere else in the state.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

I guess, we have time for one more quick question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Fremont, Jefferies. Your line is open.

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

Real quickly on slide 34, the retail power margins that you break out by quarter, point of clarification, each of those bars represents just new business or does it represent the real iced margin for the quarter?

Kathy Hyle

Analyst

It just represents new business originated in each quarter.

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

That's what I thought. Okay. Second question is, there's a major decrease in PRB coal price projections, first quarter, it was 65 to 75. It drops to 55 to 70 in the second quarter. Is that all rail?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

With respect to, if you think about our PRB, it is a on delivery route. The fluctuations on PRB on a tonnage basis aren't going to drive that nearly as much as rail so, I think your self position is correct.

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

And have you been able to sign up any contracts at, at the lower sort of lower level of price?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

And the reality is we burn such a small fraction of PRB and we're looking at that in our Crane facility, it's not all that material to the earnings of the company.

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

And last question, given what you know about the interstate transport rule and potential additional EPA restrictions, can you talk to us about whether it makes economic sense to potentially add scrubbers to C.P. Crane and to Wagner?

Jack Thayer

Management

I think the reality is those assets are more mid-merit in the stack, so the likelihood of us making that investment is probably quite small.

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

And both of those plants, I believe, are included under the put option; is that correct?

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Crane is in…

Paul Fremont - Jefferies

Analyst

Crane.

Mayo Shattuck

Chairman

Crane is covered in the put option, Wagner is not.

Carim Khouzami

Management

All right. Well thank you all again for attending this morning. We’ll see you next quarter. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. Thank you for attending. You may disconnect at this time.