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CDW Corporation (CDW)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, May 7, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning all and thank you for joining us for the CDW First Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. My name is Carly and I’ll be coordinating the call today. I’d now like to hand over to our host, Steve O'Brien of Investor Relations. The floor is yours.

Steve O'Brien

Management

Thank you, Carly. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today to review our first quarter 2025 results are Chris Leahy, our Chair and CEO and Al Miralles, our Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings release was distributed this morning and is available on our website, investor.cdw.com, along with supplemental slides that you can use to follow along during the call. I’d like to remind you that certain comments made in this presentation are considered forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Those statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Additional information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the earnings release and Form 8-K we furnished to the SEC today and in the company’s other filings with the SEC. CDW assumes no obligation to update the information presented during this webcast. Our presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures, including non GAAP operating income, non-GAAP operating income margin, non-GAAP net income and non-GAAP earnings per share. All non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules. You’ll find reconciliation charts in the slides for today’s webcast and in our earnings release and Form 8-K. Please note, all references to growth rates or dollar amounts changes in our remarks today are versus the comparable period in 2024 with net sales growth rates described on an average daily basis unless otherwise indicated. Replay of this webcast will be posted to our website later today. I want to remind you all that this conference call is the property of CDW and may not be recorded or rebroadcast without specific written permission from the company. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris.

Christine Leahy

Management

Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone. I’ll begin today’s call with a brief overview of our first quarter performance and provide thoughts on our view for the balance of the year. Al will provide additional details on our results, our capital allocation priorities and further perspectives on our outlook. We’ll move quickly through our prepared remarks to ensure we have plenty of time for questions. The team had an excellent start to the year with strong execution during a period of rapidly changing market dynamics. Once again, the benefit of our strategic progress was evident with our industry-leading margins. Strong expense management and effective use of capital drove leverage down the P&L. For the quarter, net sales were $5.2 billion, 8% higher than last year on an average daily sales basis. Gross profit was $1.1 billion, 7% higher than last year on an average daily basis. Non-GAAP operating income was $444 million, up 10% and non-GAAP net income per share was $2.15, up 12%. Broadly speaking, customers remain focused on mission-critical projects and must dos, and their priorities were consistent with 2024, laser focus on operating efficiency and expense elasticity with one addition, client device prioritization, which reflected three factors, need for refresh, the upcoming Windows 10 expiration and the desire to get ahead of tariff-related price increases. Underlying demand was solid. Commercial market growth was consistent with the favorable trajectory we saw late in the fourth quarter. Tariff uncertainty slowed down major infrastructure investments, but also drove demand for client devices and greater focus on expense elasticity, consumption-based solutions and services. Federal government market growth was subdued throughout the quarter as agencies digested the impact of new policy priorities, while education growth accelerated towards the end of the quarter driven by Chromebook demand ahead of potential price increases. First…

Albert Miralles

Management

Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. I will start my prepared remarks with details on our first quarter performance, move to capital allocation priorities and then finish with our 2025 outlook. First quarter gross profit of $1.1 billion was up 5.5% year-over-year on a reported basis and 7.2% year-over-year on an average daily sales basis. This was above our original expectations of low-single-digit growth as our teams captured increased demand for client devices, cloud, security and services in a dynamic environment. We also saw a pull forward of demand for client devices that was most acute in the education channel, but also had a minor influence on other channels. In total, we estimate that we benefit by approximately $100 million in net sales or two percentage points of growth in the quarter. In line with our expectation gross margin of 21.6% was relatively consistent with 2024 levels, down 20 basis points year-over-year. Gross margins held firm even with strong client device performance, which comprised 33% of net sales, up from 29% of net sales in the first quarter of 2024. The higher contribution from client device sales was partially offset by higher contribution from netted down revenues. Netted down revenues contributed a record 36.5% of our gross profit compared to 35.1% in the prior year first quarter and 35.8% in the fourth quarter of 2024. Our netted down category of solutions listed as transferred at a point in time for CDW’s agent in our earnings release and filings represents an important and durable trend within our business, alongside our professional and managed services listed as transferred over time or CDW’s principal. We continue to expect netted down revenue stream to outgrow the rest of the portfolio driven by consistently strong cloud infrastructure and SaaS growth. EBITDA revenues increased 12%…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. very much. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from David Voigt of UBS. David, your line is now open.

David Voigt

Analyst

Great. Thanks guys. Good morning. Maybe both for Chris and Al. I don’t want go into the tariffs because you talked a lot about tariffs, but I want to talk about some of the product categories. I thought you had relatively easy compares against Netcomm and storage last year. Obviously, I just want to kind of get your thoughts on what’s going on in those markets. Are they seeing a pause in spending by customers ahead of tariffs, uncertainty? Just kind of what are the dynamics going on in those particular end-markets that seemed a little bit weaker than I would have thought given some of the checks that we had done? Thank you.

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah. Dave, good morning and I can start with that. I would say you’re absolutely right on the compares for networking. We still see some customers that are digesting, number one. Number two, I’d say that if you look at our networking results, it reflects a continuing shift to software-defined architectures and a bit of a pause in the interest to larger infrastructure deals that we’ve been, that we mentioned in terms of, the cautiousness right now. We don’t see it as a harbinger or a problematic. It’s just a timing issue in the first quarter. But it’s - we are continuing to have what I would say are design discussions, extensively which to us is a leading indicator of what’s to come. So, not concerned about the categories. In fact, feeling that the services work that we’re doing is foreshadowing what will be coming in the future quarters.

David Voigt

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Erik Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Erik, your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Erik, your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning. This is Maya on for Erik. One question from me. What are you seeing kind of across the pricing landscape? And given some of the competition comments you’ve made in recent calls, is there any risk that you would not be able to pass through any tariff-related cost to end-customers? Just any color you can share there would be helpful.

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah, I would start with the resiliency of our gross margin that you saw this quarter notwithstanding, tick up in client devices. So, regardless of the - I’ll call it competitive environment that we are in, we are still continuing to be able to drive profitability, and as we see tariffs implemented down the line, we might continue to we might see a tick up in competitiveness, but we feel fairly confident that we’ll be able to pass along price increases. You might have customers, for example, buying fewer units of something, et cetera, but they’re going to spend their budget. And as you know, as the cost of goods sold goes up and the price goes up, the gross margin itself might reduce a little bit mathematically. But otherwise, we feel very confident as we have in prior circumstances like this that we’ll be able to maintain our profitability.

Albert Miralles

Management

And maybe Maya, I would just add to that. We would observe that in the quarter despite quite a bit of variability, a pretty orderly market, Certainly a variability across the different OEMs and product categories as well as end-markets. But really not the level of variability or concern there that you might expect in this type of environment. And just a reminder, we’re a cost plus provider. So what we did see in that kind of orderly environment, is pretty much where customers were taking actions that we were passing through the impact and maintained our margin to Chris’ point we’re able to hold firm in that regard.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Erik, your line is now open.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Asiya Merchant of Citigroup. Asiya, your line is now open.

Asiya Merchant

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much for taking the question and good results here. Just healthcare has been up strong. I think you referred to that being strong again. Just if you can parse out what’s going on in this healthcare, is it specific to CDW and how you guys are thinking about ahead in terms of your channel performance looking ahead to the rest of ‘25? Thank you.

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah. Sure. I think – look, I think healthcare, there is there are the results reflect several things that are specific to CDW, in particular, our strategic progress over the last several years. We have invested behind both our sales organization, our technologists within healthcare, and our industry experts in healthcare. We’ve invested in things like the transformation centers where our customers can come together and test out technologies with CDW experts and their peers. We have focused our go to market on size and type of customer in the healthcare space and you’re seeing really good results based on the tremendous execution of that strategy. Quarterly results for Q1, we did see a nice uptick in client devices. So, that reflects top-line growth significantly. And the other thing is, we’ve mentioned this before, but healthcare organizations were a little behind in the adoption of cloud and cloud optimization. And so we’ve seen an acceleration over the last couple of years for CDW customers in our ability to help them actually accelerate workloads to the cloud, make decisions around that. And then finally I’d just say security has been a big driver, for our healthcare results.

Asiya Merchant

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Amit Daryanani of Evercore ISI. Amit, your line is now open.

Amit Daryanani

Analyst

Thanks a lot. Good morning, everyone. I guess, maybe to start with Chris, I realize it’s a tough evolving macro environment. But as you look at the SMB and corporate verticals specifically, are you seeing any change in the orders or buying behavior in Q2 versus what you saw in March? And did this pull in potentially sustain into the month of April given Liberation Day technically was in the April?

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah, good morning, Amit. Yeah, I would say we have been pleasantly surprised by the solid underlying demand and the rhythm of the business as we moved into the second quarter. It’s been a healthy rhythm, which means activity across our commercial sector and that’s been a very positive sign. Customers certainly are incrementally more cautious. But as I mentioned in my earlier, comment, we are also deeply involved with customers in planning phases and design phases and we take that as a positive sign, for as we move throughout the year. And then client devices in the commercial space has been very strong for the reasons we’ve discussed before. I mean, refreshes we’re probably, now into the refresh in the early innings, kind of the mid cycle, I guess, I’d say. So we got refresh picking up and that’s been a positive as well. So, I just say, look, we’re cautiously optimistic. Our customers are incrementally more cautious. They are disciplined, but yet they’re determined and given the breadth and depth of our portfolio and our capabilities to help customers toggle to the most optimized solution, we are feeling, I would just say, cautiously optimistic.

Amit Daryanani

Analyst

Got it. And then, if I could just follow-up with Al. Al, can you - when I think of your calendar 2025 guide and EPS were in low-single-digits, can you just talk about how are you embedding buybacks in that model? Because if I just assume you do your free cash flow conversion and your buybacks in that kind of 50% free cash flow range, you should be able to achieve your EPS guide on a flat revenue. So, just talk about what are you embedding in your guide from a buyback perspective? Thank you.

Albert Miralles

Management

Yeah, good morning, Amit. We are continuing to bake in an expectation on it that we would be within that 50 to 75%, range in terms of return to shareholders. Now that being said, we, in Q1, took advantage of valuation opportunities and we did buy back $200 million in dollars in shares. And so, therefore, we certainly are ahead of pace and I would say kind of the front loading does indeed, Amit, benefit us kind of when you think from an averaging perspective. But we’re not presuming per se that that pace will continue. So I’d say we’re still within the range of our 50% to 75%, albeit with Q1 is likely towards the top of that range.

Amit Daryanani

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Samik Chatterjee of JPMorgan. Samik, your line is now open.

Samik Chatterjee

Analyst

Yes. Thank you and thanks for taking the questions. Chris, I wanted to go back to your response to the question from Amit, where you said order activity and customer spending is still robust as you enter 2Q, but there are customers that are sounding a bit more cautious. I mean, how much of that are you interpreting as customers want to spend the budget while they have it before they lose some of those IT budgets in the back half of the year versus sort of there being underlying demand for the equipment and there being underlying demand that drives them to continue to invest in their infrastructure? And maybe, like, any insights you’re getting from your project-driven activity versus transactional business in terms of whether customers are doing sort of choosing one versus the other? And I have a follow-up.

Christine Leahy

Management

Sure. It was a little hard to hear the question, but I think I caught it and it was on our on commercial spend and kind of dissecting how much of the April activity is related to transactional spending budgets versus driving projects forward. Look, let me start by saying we’re sharing an outlook in our perspective based on what we’ve seen so far. Like everybody else, we can’t predict the future. But I would say, I would call what we’re seeing as solid and balanced. And when I say balanced, that is across both transactional and activities that suggest that large mission-critical projects will move forward at some point. The timing throughout the year are hard to say, but we’re feeling a positivity and a determination amongst our customers. Our outlook does however reflect a more muted environment as we go throughout the year because of the pull forward that we’ve experienced. So we’ve baked that into our outlook, the incremental cautiousness, but I – and I call it solid balanced. It feels pretty good.

Samik Chatterjee

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And a quick follow-up for Al here. Al, the first half versus second half split, were you expecting more revenue than the first half versus historical trends? And with the pull forward in client devices, how should we think about gross margin percentage rates greater to some of the sort of cadence we’ve seen in the last couple of years? Is there more of a sequential increase as we go through the year on account of the client devices pull forward? Thank you.

Albert Miralles

Management

Yeah, sure, Samik. No, I would not expect that there’s going to be much in the way of variation on gross margin, both say, Q2 as well as full year, we would expect gross margins to be reasonably similar to 2024 levels. Now, what we have seen obviously in the first quarter was a pretty significant mix shift into client devices and frankly away from solutions. When you take those elements for the quarter, it explained almost all of the variation versus prior year and prior quarter as well. I will also note, Samik, that our original outlook contemplated some level of like-for-like compression in gross margins. And while we didn’t see a ton of that in Q1, we are continuing to make space that you could see some of that. All in, when you add up all of those factors, Samik, I think you get back to something like 2024 levels.

Samik Chatterjee

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Great. Thank you. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Harry Read of Redburn. Harry, your line is now open.

Harry Read

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to ask on your hiring plans for the rest of the year. Do you expect to have a sequentially flat co-worker base as you’ve seen in Q1? And then, what are you currently seeing in terms of wage inflation in the market? And do you expect if you see continued growth in gross profit to see operating leverage like we’ve seen in the first quarter of this year? Thank you.

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah, I’ll start and then Al can jump in, and good morning. In terms of our plans for the year, we are managing expenses very prudently and at the same time, we are continuing to invest in strategic hires. So I would just call it a balanced approach to our co-worker investments during the course of the year. And when I say investments in strategic areas, you can think of areas like technology, particular sales, rules, particular industry rules, particular technology and digital rules. So we’ll continue to invest behind that. In terms of wage inflation, we aren’t really seeing anything of any note across wage inflation at this point in time. And I didn’t catch the third part of the question. Al, did you? Okay. Was there a third part of the question, Harry?

Harry Read

Analyst

Yeah. Just if you expect to see continued operating - can you hear me?

Albert Miralles

Management

Yeah. Let me pick up from there, Harry.

Harry Read

Analyst

Hello

Albert Miralles

Management

So obviously, yes. Can you hear us?

Harry Read

Analyst

I think there’s another lag, but.

Albert Miralles

Management

Okay, obviously, what you saw in Q1 was pretty significant operating leverage and that was partially a function, obviously, from our strong growth, but a little bit impacted as well by the pull forward. So I think what you can expect on the operating leverage front is in this environment of low-single-digit growth kind of remainder of the year, we wouldn’t have quite the operating leverage we had in Q1, because there’s a bit of a kind of asymmetry there between what we saw on growth in Q1 and then what kind of plays out for the rest of the year. So that being said, like Chris said, we are cautiously optimistic that the solid underlying growth we’ve seen could play out and certainly that would lead to stronger operating leverage for the full year. So - and then maybe, Harry, I would just add to that on Chris’ comments on the headcount. She talked about continuing to invest in the business, that’s super, super important. But really our playbook here has been, while we feel good about the potential inflection point and solid underlying demand, we want to be cautious in terms of our spending and our hiring overall to the extent that we - if we did see a pullback, we would not want to be in a place where we have to more urgently pull back on expenses. So, what you’re seeing is kind of a careful thoughtful plotting of our expenses and our hiring to ensure that kind of we’re balanced in this dynamic environment.

Harry Read

Analyst

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks. And maybe just a very short follow-up. Is that incorporating why the guidance on EPS growth is the same as gross profit growth at this stage?

Albert Miralles

Management

You’ve got it, Harry. That’s spot on. It’s just essentially with our really strong growth from Q1 you have a bit of kind of a deceleration and a bit of an asymmetry in your operating leverage.

Harry Read

Analyst

Right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Keith Housum of Northcoast Research. Keith, your line is now open.

Keith Housum

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Just understanding that you guys are a cost plus model. Perhaps, can you talk about the impact you’ve seen on pricing right now? I mean, have vendors on a wide scale raised their prices and if they have, to what extent are you guys seeing? And if they haven’t, what are your expectations for or what are conversations you’re having with them in terms of when they may occur and what they’re thinking for the rest of the year?

Albert Miralles

Management

Yeah, good morning, Keith. A couple things. First, look at it. It did vary quite a bit by OEM, by product category, et cetera. I will remind you too, Keith, look, more than 50% of our business in the form of gross profit comes from software and services. So you would not see it in those categories. So you have kind of the remaining less than 50% focused on hardware. Certainly, there were OEMs, partners that had price increases as we saw tariffs. Again, I’ll just point back to pretty orderly, we were way in front of those. We had a really good sense of how that was going to play out, we were in constant interaction with our customers in terms of the timing and the quantum of those. But it is as you would expect based on the OEMs that we do business with and where they’re located and kind of how tariffs may impact them.

Keith Housum

Analyst

Great. In focusing on the services that you guys offer to your customers, are you guys raising the prices on lows or are you guys kind of holding firm?

Albert Miralles

Management

So - I’m sorry, Keith, did you did you say services?

Keith Housum

Analyst

Yeah.

Christine Leahy

Management

Your question was, are we holding prices on services or raising those? Yeah. We’re maintaining market competitive pricing right now.

Keith Housum

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from George Wang from Barclays. George, your line is now open.

George Wang

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. I just have a question on the AITC and the kind of increasing AI complexity in general. Just curious if you have any refresh thoughts in terms of given the dynamic and macro and the tariff backdrop. Has anything changed kind of what you would like to call out versus three months ago? Just in terms of whether you are seeing a faster or steady or slowdown in terms of AI adoption in general.

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah, I would say, look, the refresh that we’re seeing or the uptick in client devices is coming still primarily from a refresh need and the expiration of Win 10. We are selling AIPCs. We’re having more conversations about that, but I would say that the majority of what we’re selling now continues to be through just, like refresh and moving to Win 11.

George Wang

Analyst

Okay, great. And just quick follow-up if I can. Just, in the last couple days, we saw this new flash in terms of collaboration with the Penguin Solutions, which caught my eye. I’m just curious, is it’s something you can replicate towards other providers and kind of the vendors in terms of this unique setup. I’m just curious if you can double click on this partnership and kind of what’s the value-added from CDW?

Christine Leahy

Management

Well, George, as you know, we don’t talk about specific partners. But I would say that, in all of the various partner relationships and ecosystems, CDW is in conversations with these partners, front and center to ensure that we our value proposition is appropriate.

George Wang

Analyst

Great. Thanks a lot.

Christine Leahy

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Ruplu Bhattacharya of Bank of America. Ruplu, your line is now open.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. First one for Al. I think you said that in 1Q, the netted down items were 36.5% of gross profit. Just my math suggests that that means that the core business ex netted down items was sequentially lower and year-on-year lower in terms of gross margin, maybe at like 14.9%. Can you just help us think through how you’re thinking about the core business margins as this year you should see client devices come up, but then you’ve also had a pretty strong quarter of netted down items. So do you think that core business margins can continue to remain strong for the rest of the quarters in the year? And then I have a follow-up on seasonality. Thank you.

Albert Miralles

Management

Sure. Thanks, Ruplu. You are correct. Our non-netted down gross margins for the quarter were about 40 basis points lower than the prior year. I think I mentioned earlier, Ruplu, that the delta on our - the year-over-year delta on our overall gross margins, as well as on non-netted down was almost entirely a mix phenomenon. That is the mixing into client devices, the pull forward effect, as well as mixing out of solutions drove that decline. There was very little in the way of like-for-like compression in those margins. Again, I’ll just reiterate, Ruplu, that being said, we continue to kind of have some caution and are making space that you could see more like for like compression. But at this point, we’re holding pretty firm.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Thanks for the clarification there, Al. And then maybe one for Chris. You’ve seen some pull forward in the education space. Typically, the June is a strong quarter for education. How is there a change in seasonality that we should think about for education this year as we model out the rest of the quarters? And the same question, Chris, for federal. How are you seeing the impact of those? And do you think federal might remain a little bit weaker for the next quarter, but how are you thinking about growth in federal in the second half? Thank you for taking my questions. Really appreciate

Christine Leahy

Management

Yeah. Thanks for the question. On education, I would think of it simply as a pull forward. The seasonality that we normally see in Q2. We saw a number of our customers pull that forward and buy in ahead of potential tariffs. So we’ve derisked our second quarter, if you will, as a result of that. And on the federal side, we’ve also anticipated a more muted environment there as there’s more friction in the system as the government determines how to respond, prioritize, manage budgets, et cetera. So we’ve factored that into our outlook for the full year, as well, but expecting a little bit more muted. Sometimes you see an uptick once you have a new administration in office and we aren’t expecting that as much now and we haven’t seen that as much now. Now I would say that on the on the positive side in federal, a number of the agencies that are strong customers of CDW on the non-defense side are agencies that are not yet seeing cuts and are still going strong. So that’s a positive sign for us.

Albert Miralles

Management

And, Ruplu, I would just maybe add, when you add that up for Q2 - when you add that up for Q2, including the frictional elements in federal, the pull forward for education and some frictional elements there, we would expect Q2 to be sub-seasonal.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst

Okay. Understood. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We currently have no further questions. So I’d just like to hand back to Chris Leahy for any further remarks.

Christine Leahy

Management

Okay. Thank you. And let me close by reemphasizing my confidence in this team, our strategy and the durability of our resilient business model. Thank you to our CDW co-workers across the globe for your unwavering commitment to our customers. Thank you to our customers for the privilege and opportunity to help you achieve your goals and thank you to those listening for your time and continued interest in CDW. Al and I look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

As we conclude today’s call, we’d like to thank everyone for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.