Earnings Labs

Cadence Design Systems, Inc. (CDNS)

Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 25, 2012

$327.02

+0.52%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

+5.21%

1 Week

+6.92%

1 Month

+11.47%

vs S&P

+5.84%

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is David and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cadence Design Systems' Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Alan Lindstrom, Director of Investor Relations for Cadence Design Systems. Please go ahead.

Alan Lindstrom

Management

Thank you David and welcome to our earnings conference call for the second quarter of fiscal 2012. The webcast of this call can be accessed through our website cadence.com and will be archived for two weeks. With us today are Lip-Bu Tan, President and CEO of Cadence; and Geoff Ribar, Senior Vice President and CFO. Please note that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements and that our actual results may differ materially from those expectations. For information on the factors that could cause the difference in our results, please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These include Cadence's most recent reports on Form 10-K and Form 10-Q, including the Company's future filings and the cautionary comments regarding forward-looking statements in the earnings press release issued today. In addition to financial results prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP, we will also present certain non-GAAP financial measures today. Cadence management believes that in addition to using GAAP results in evaluating our business, it can also be useful to measure results using certain non-GAAP financial measures. Investors and potential investors are encouraged to review the reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures with their most direct comparable GAAP financial results, which can be found in the quarterly earnings section of the Investor Relations portion of our website. A copy of today's press release dated April 25, 2012 for the quarter ended June 30, 2012, and related financial tables can also be found in the Investor Relations portion of our website. Now, I'll turn the call over to Lip-Bu.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us. Cadence is delivered strong results in Q2, revenue totaled $326 million. Non-GAAP operating margin was 23% and operating cash flow was $67 million. Our business continued to be driven by design activity which remained robust in Q2, the macro environment is challenging with slow growth in China and the ongoing debt crisis in Europe and slow U.S. recovery. Key shipments and infrastructure equipment are showing weakness and foundry issues have hurt sales for some customers. However, we believe this high activity will continue at a good pace in second half. We are working closely with customers on the most complex design; our backlog remained strong and continues to strengthen our product portfolio. After reviewing our pipeline for the second half and taking into account the macro-risk we are modestly raising guidance. Now let us look at few of the highlights for Q2 starting with silicon realization. Our 20 nanometer design technology continues to gain momentum both for digital as well as custom and analog. We have previously announced 20 nanometer test chips with ARM, TSMC and Samsung. STMicroelectronics fuse our encounter digital and virtual custom analog platforms to complete a 20 nanometer mix signal test chip. Our Encounter and virtual platforms received Phase I certification for TSMC 20 nanometer technology. We collaborated with Samsung on the 20 nanometer methodology that includes double patterning technology. The number of 20 nanometer engagement with key customers is growing in every region, overall we are working with 16 different customers at 20 nanometer with more than 30 designs in progress or complete using encounter. At 40 nanometer process note we had joint projects underway and are working on test chips. The increased complexity of modern SoC is driving demand for our advanced verification solutions. In Q2,…

Geoff Ribar

Management

Thanks Lip-Bu and good afternoon everyone. I will review the results for the second quarter, present our outlook for Q3 and update the outlook for 2012. For the second quarter Cadence again produced strong operating results. Total revenue was $326 million compared to $360 million for Q1 and $283 million for the year ago quarter. The year-over-year growth was 15%, product revenue was $208 million, maintenance revenue was $89 million and services revenue was $29 million. Revenue mix for the geographies was 46% for Americas, 20% for EMEA, 18% for Asia and 16% for Japan. Total cost and expenses under non-GAAP basis for Q2 were $253 million compared to $250 million for Q1 and $235 million for the year ago quarter. Head-count was 4850, compared to 4766 for Q1, the increase was almost entirely due to hiring an R&D in technical field positions. Non-GAAP operating margin for Q2 was 23%, compared to 21% for Q1 and 17% for the year ago quarter. For Q2, we recorded GAAP net income per share of $0.13 compared to $0.11 for Q1. For Q2, non-GAAP net income per share was $0.19 compared to $0.17 for Q1 and $0.12 for the year ago quarter. Operating cash flow for Q2 was $67 million compared to $61 million for Q1 and $69 million for the year ago quarter. DSOs for Q2 were 35 days compared to 25 days for Q1 and 51 days for the year ago quarter. The increase from Q1 was due to timing of billings and collections, our DSO target remains 35 days or under. Capital expenditures for Q2 were approximately $10 million. Cash and short term investments were $713 million at quarter end above half in the U.S. For Q2 approximately 90% of orders booked were rateable including product, maintenance and services. Weighted…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). And your first question comes from the line of Raj Seth with Cowen.

Raj Seth - Cowen

Analyst · Cowen

I had a couple of quick ones, Geoff first from a bookings perspective in the current quarter, if you were to exclude the upside that you talked about for emulation were bookings still better than expectation or were they inline?

Geoff Ribar

Management

Bookings across the board were better than our expectation.

Raj Seth - Cowen

Analyst · Cowen

And just on the emulation front, we have talked about this before, hypothetically if the world weakened that might be a place where you would see people pull back first, you are seeing the opposite. How sustainable you had guided that flat to down for the year as your perspective for the full-year changed and Lip-Bu talked about a very big order I forget exactly the number 14-15 boxes over what period is the (inaudible) there, how does that work?

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

So I think Raj, couple of point let me end up first, first of all I think the demand for the hardware emulation is continue to increase as customer moving to below 40 nanometer, time to market is critically, identify the box earlier will be better. So, I think clearly the whole hardware emulation is going very rapidly because of the demand and so meanwhile our product is a go standard and we continue to have very good success in that.

Geoff Ribar

Management

And as far as what we see going forward on emulation we expect it, we are still guiding flat to slightly down for the second half of the year. Again Lip-Bu said we agree, there is a secular trend but because of the macro economic conditions we are going to pay attention to that, and we do have a competitor in this space who is doing well and as competitive. As far as the revenue recognition on the 14 boxes that will be over a number of quarters.

Raj Seth - Cowen

Analyst · Cowen

Okay and last question maybe Lip-Bu for you, you have been doing quite well some of that I suppose at least in previous periods as digging yourself out of a whole and in some cases easy compares. Now I think you are through a lot of the model transition, as you think about share in the industry, what do you think the share trends are, where do you think you are actually poised to or seeing share gains across your business and I wonder if you could pay a particular attention just to the visual side where you continue to reference increasing wins. Thanks.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

So first of all I think we have a very good executive team, continue very focused on execution and the other thing is we are heavily investing in term of product in the (inaudible) in some of the area like digital, mixed signal and advance notes and some of the IP and a system double and so clearly we want to provide the best tool, the best IP to our customer to enable the success in the design and that’s our ultimate goal and with that we continue to win, continue to able to complete successfully and then the customer like that kind of engagement level we have is the commitment that we want to make them successful that ultimately will win.

Raj Seth - Cowen

Analyst · Cowen

And any perspective on share, or do you feel like you are gaining share or is this just a strong tide for everybody?

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

I just feel that you know first of all I think the design activity at least from our side we see tremendous activity and meanwhile I think it create a lot of opportunity whether improve product and portfolio, they give us a lot of competitive advantage and then cost similar to see us have a road map to facing all these challenge in design when you move out the 28, 20 and below clearly I think that we want to be the best solution to provide the customer and ultimately that is give us position as well for win.

Geoff Ribar

Management

And I think its clear Raj, that we are growing faster than industry as a whole and that means we believe that we are winning market segment share at places.

Raj Seth - Cowen

Analyst · Cowen

And just to put a point on that Geoff I promise I will go away but the outside growth that you are showing, I guess your assertion is that’s really not so much model transition at this point.

Geoff Ribar

Management

You are correct, model transition is in the very low single digits now impact on our business.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rich Valera of Needham & Company. Steven Zaccone - Needham & Company: This is Steven Zaccone for Rich Valera, all my questions have been answered. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Jay Vleeschhouwer of Griffin Securities.

Jay Vleeschhouwer - Griffin Securities

Analyst · Griffin Securities

Lip-Bu I would like to ask you about your system interconnect or BCP business. Other than the Sigrity acquisition in what other ways do you think you will be making new commitments or investments to renewing your overall competitiveness in the BCP business, number of years ago you recall with the restructuring how the company pulled back in some ways from that area and now you seem to be renewing your interest net area, so and what broader ways are you looking to grow that business other than this particular acquisition.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

I think it's a good question and first of all I think the Sigrity acquisition has fit in very well to our system strategy, and then look at the whole BCP and board (ph), it become a very important. If a customer want to see end to end beside the true design and other way to IC packaging to BCP packaging and especially the power and our signal integrity high speed analysis, this is a critical piece and we integrate that into the vertical BCP market and that’s a lot of vertical market we can serve from automotive to computing, through (inaudible) and anything that is high speed, is going to be a critical piece. So I think you have correctly point out that we are investing and we are growing the business and it became very important for us to serve our customer in the vertical markets.

Jay Vleeschhouwer - Griffin Securities

Analyst · Griffin Securities

In the hardware emulation business, would it be fair to say that you are going to be selling the current version of Palladium until sometime well into next year, so Mentor has a new box in the market of course but you are going to continue to have available the version you had the last couple of years at least until next year.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

Yes I think as I mentioned earlier, I think that chip is getting more and more complex and when you move down the geometry below 40 that’s a lot of complex and if we can identify the pack earlier you can address the pack earlier but time to market is tremendous for the customer. So we are going to continue to see growth in this area and then meanwhile I think as I mentioned we are go standard and we continue to have the record quarter in term of growing and significantly exceeded our expectation and as I mentioned one customer order 14 units in Q2, so we continue to see the demand I think it's good for the industry and it is badly needed by the customer and we continue to improve, continue to drive success with our customer.

Jay Vleeschhouwer - Griffin Securities

Analyst · Griffin Securities

And just to clarify, you are not going to have a product refresh necessarily in that business until sometime in 2013, would that be right?

Geoff Ribar

Management

We don’t disclose our product roadmap.

Jay Vleeschhouwer - Griffin Securities

Analyst · Griffin Securities

Geoff, you pick up a low end of the product bookings forecast to be here by about 10 million which would seem to roughly correlate to the upside that you had in emulation business in Q2, so just again to clarify, some of your earlier questions, you are taking up your software only bookings applications for the reminder of the year?

Geoff Ribar

Management

Yes the bookings is going up for both reasons.

Jay Vleeschhouwer - Griffin Securities

Analyst · Griffin Securities

Okay and lastly for Lip-Bu again, you referred to a positive development with respect to physical verification but how do you foresee your prospects outside of the RC and LVS in other forms of physical verification, what investments are you making there or how -- what kind of prognosis would you have yourselves there.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

It's a good question, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks and we continue to see good record there and continue to win and we are also investing in some of the technology to improve further especially in the advance note so that is important area for us and we continue to invest.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Gus Richard of Piper Jaffray.

Gus Richard - Piper Jaffray

Analyst · Gus Richard of Piper Jaffray

Just a couple of quick housekeeping questions, your service margins were up quite sharply in the quarter, could you just talk about that briefly?

Geoff Ribar

Management

Sure, first all I won't take it as a trend or commitment that that’s where we are going to be going forward. As always we have been moving resources gradually away from services to support our IP and SoC business and so that’s showing up in improved margins, I think is one of the major regions and in some cases we booked revenue here based on past practices where we did have, we book revenues sometimes where we collect cash for certain types of customers or we book some revenue where we collected cash that we necessarily have expenses associated with it. The margins aren’t sustainable at that level.

Gus Richard - Piper Jaffray

Analyst · Gus Richard of Piper Jaffray

Okay and then in terms of the Sigrity acquisition, can you just give us a handicap I am assuming there is no little no revenue from that this year because of accounting purchase accounting and just wondering what the incremental OpEx is going to be for that business this year.

Geoff Ribar

Management

So Gus there is actually some revenue in that business where we are still working to that acquisition accounting. So deferred revenue will take a big chunk and the model change will take another big chunk away from what we expected revenue. We also have some piece that’s a retention piece for some of those employees and that’s also showing up in the expenses. It is about a penny or two pennies different on our EPS and I think that’s probably the key message, it does also effect the operating margin percentage a little bit also which is why the operating margin percentage is actually going down a little bit for the second half of the year.

Gus Richard - Piper Jaffray

Analyst · Gus Richard of Piper Jaffray

Got it and then on the DSOs, the fee increase sequentially, is that really a function of increased stimulation sales in the quarter.

Geoff Ribar

Management

Yes it's mostly hardware business that’s driving that, there is also some amount of billings we make to Japanese customers that we will get paid for in Q3. There is nothing unusual or unexpected from it.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your next question is from the line of Krish Sankar of Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. Thomas Yeh - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: This is Thomas Yeh calling in for Krish Sankar, thanks for taking my questions. First off during that conference Cadence and some peers highlighted some of the design challenges related to 20 nanometer which would require a potential step up in investments from EDA vendors. Can you help us quantify that and talk about any differences you might see in regards to the level of investment it took to get from say 45 nanometers to 32 nanometers and how that could differ from the move from 28 to 20.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

So let me take a crack at it and Krish I think the 20 nanometer is not as easy and it's much more complex and so we have a jump start on it and so we are committed to the 20 nanometer, as I mentioned in my remark ARM, TSMC, ST, Samsung we have engaged heavily and we also have 16 customer working with us and more than 30 design and so clearly is a very difficult and complex and customer invest quite a bit in that and they also like to see the roadmap when they go into production sometime next year and so we are engaging and we are working very hard with the customer and so we are investing but it's factored in pretty much in the our financial model that Geoff prepared and so to answer your question yes we are investing and it's not as easy, it's very complex.

Geoff Ribar

Management

And Thomas I do want to emphasize it is substantial investment that Cadence is making for this business, substantial investment because it's critical to us and critical to our customers. Thomas Yeh - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: That’s helpful and second digging a little bit more into the Sigrity acquisition, can you highlight for us what kind of incremental market size that opens up and just in regards to margin you mentioned that it would be lower but longer term, is it safe to assume that could be brought up back to your corporate average?

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

So maybe before I address Sigrity, back a little bit on the 20 nanometer so as you imagine quite a lot of (inaudible), double patterning, 3D-IC and all those area are the investment area that works with our customer. On the Sigrity side, and as I mentioned you fit in very well with our system strategy and also our PCB packaging related design and you become very complex, customer want to really design the chip knowing the packaging will not be a problem and so this is strategically important to us in term of high speed analysis, power signal integrity and in the gigabit interface. So all this and also the sign off, it will be critical so all this is going to be and it is very important for us and then Geoff maybe can answer the second half.

Geoff Ribar

Management

So Thomas it will be solely dilutive in 2012 and solely accretive in 2013 but both of those numbers are materially impacted by the accounting and merger and acquisition accounting, without the merger and acquisition accounting those numbers would clearly be better. So it is material impact but those things will be complete by the end of 2013 and much more normal business model for that business going forward. Thomas Yeh - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Then last one for me, revisiting just the impact of the Synopsys acquisition of Magma, can you highlight for us whether you have seen any changes in the pricing environment or any new customer that might be seeking dual source.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

Yes so let me address that, so first of all I think clearly open doors for additional engagement. We see tremendous interest on customer to work with us. For a couple of factors one clearly you know the mixed signal SoC and it is very important for them and then secondly we are much improved our digital flow and implementation, they are attracted to us and the thirdly our advanced development and engagement in the 20 nanometer and below and of course the other thing is very big opportunity for us is ARM, relationship that we have been engaging and working closely with them in the design and the flow. So all this I think is just enhanced customer want to engage with us and work with us and selecting us and give us a quick opportunity that we are very excited and we continue to drive the best to best solution IP to a customer that can enhance and provide value to our customer and enable them to win.

Operator

Operator

And you have a question from Sterling Auty of JPMorgan.

Sterling Auty - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

I heard the commentary in terms of your outlook but I just wanted to circle back to listening to lot of semiconductor earnings calls here for June, I was wondering if anything really pops out to you in terms of how they are allocating or looking at the R&D spending relative to their spend for EDA and specifically what I mean, you know in Intel, fixed instruments are seem to be slowing their spend. There are others that it feels like they are reallocating out of other areas to spend in R&D. Do you feel there is an increased level of nervousness around the spend or do you still feel like the heightened design activity should remain constant through this year and into next year.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

I think Sterling it's a good question and first of all I think we don’t see in a big across the board customer spending cut or freeze and we still see tremendous R&D development at least the customer we are working with and clearly the design activities continue to grow and then as you know the design engineer, there is a last depot that you want to cut and so our relationship in the EDA spend a lot to do with the design engineers and then chip is not getting easier to design, it's much more complex. So I think that the place that they spend a lot of money is clearly in the digital mix signal space that we see and also in the PCB side, in the hardware emulation side. So anything that can help them to design the product faster and then low power is critical for lot of mobile infrastructure player and also the easier earlier to identify the packs and the hardware, software, co-design, co-validation (ph) becomes very important for them and so I think we kind of picking up our bets in term of the area that we think will be really helpful to them and then in their design. So far in those areas that we pick we don’t see slowdown.

Geoff Ribar

Management

I think the other thing right Sterling is when they revenue impacts, one of the things they want to do is get new products out the door and that leads to design activity, leads to engineers, leads to value for the whole (inaudible) will change of path.

Sterling Auty - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Got it two other questions, first of can you give us a sense I didn’t quite hear it, if you were to split your business in terms of the core EDA versus the IP and other how would kind of characterize or quantify the growth in both of those buckets for this quarter?

Geoff Ribar

Management

So I think both businesses grew quite strongly, if you want to jus abide core EDA IP and other and the system realization I think all of those things grew very steadily and very well for us. I don’t think any of them grew particularly faster than anything else, VIP was probably the fastest growing business for us as a percentage but I think we saw strong growth all across that so I think we are quite happy with the growth.

Sterling Auty - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Okay last question on the emulation it feels like you have been almost capacity constrained in the first half, did you change any of your manufacturing order plans here for the back half to increase and meet some of this higher than expected demands.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

I think Sterling, and too clearly on the hardware emulation side we continue to drive improvement, execution, supply change that is kind of ongoing effort and we send up urgency and clearly the demand is strong. We like the business and we continue to invest and continue to improve so that we can meet the customer requirement.

Operator

Operator

And this was our last question, I will now turn the call over to Lip-Bu Tan, President and CEO of Cadence for closing remarks.

Lip-Bu Tan

President and CEO

Thank you. In closing, the strength and momentum of our technology which is expanding, existing relationship as well as creating new engagements, lead to strong operating result for the first half. Our level of business, customer engagement and growing product portfolio give me confident that the rest of the 2012 will be also good for Cadence. Thank you everyone for joining us this afternoon and I look forward to speaking with you soon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in today’s Cadence Design Systems second quarter 2012 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your lines.