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CBIZ, Inc. (CBZ)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 31, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for the CBIZ Third Quarter and Nine Months Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Lori Novickis Director of Corporate Relations. Please go ahead.

Lori Novickis

Analyst

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for the CBIZ this third quarter and nine months 2020 results conference call. In connection with this call, today's press release has been posted on the Investor Relations page of our website cbiz.com. This call is being webcast and a link to the live webcast as well as the replay and transcript can be found on our website. Before we begin our presentation, we would like to remind you that during the call, management may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures can be found in the financial tables of today's press release. Finally, remember that management may also make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current information and management's expectations as of this date and do not guarantee future performance. Forward-looking statements involve certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that can be difficult to predict. Actual results can and sometimes do differ materially. A more detailed description of such risks and uncertainties can be found in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Joining us for today are Jerry Grisko, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ware Grove, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Jerry for his opening remarks, Jerry.

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Thank you, Lori, good morning everyone. I am pleased to speak with you this morning about the very strong results that we experienced for the third quarter and year-to-date. But before I get into the details on our performance, there are a few key points that I would like to emphasize, starting with the resilience of our business. As we expected, the fundamental characteristics of our business have allowed us to continue to perform well in the current economic environment. Demand for our core accounting in many of our core benefits and Insurance Services remains strong. These are central and recurring services which make up approximately 70% of our revenue, have fueled our performance through this quarter and from the start of the pandemic. We are also starting to see increasing demand for a number of our advisory more project-based services. These were areas where we experienced some decline in the first and second quarters. Our financial results were bolstered by the prudent responses to expense management that we put in place at the onset of the pandemic and the proactive steps that we've taken throughout the last nine months to protect the company. These moves have been effective in allowing us to preserve the substantial investments that we've made over the years in our team which will position us to accelerate growth when the economy begins to improve. We also continue to be proactive with our outreach to our clients and our prospects. Our clients turn to us for advice and solutions in times of change and uncertainty, and we've been hard at work over the past nine months to help them mitigate the challenges and pursue the opportunities presented by the current business climate. For example, earlier this year, we mobilized quickly to help our clients understand and…

Ware Grove

Analyst

Thank you, Jerry, and good morning everyone. I want to take a few minutes to review the highlights of the numbers we released this morning and talk about the actions we have taken as we navigate through COVID-related challenges. As Jerry commented, the majority of our core businesses are performing well. Through our diversity of clients that we serve, coupled with the recurring and essential nature of our core services has providing stability to our results. Reported total growth has impacted by a small number of businesses within our mix of services that are more severely impacted by COVID-related influences either because these services are project-oriented, they are more directly impacted by the higher unemployment trends or they are more highly dependent upon travel-related or client-facing activities. For example, looking at those services most severely impacted we can identify unique areas of our business that comprise approximately 15% of our nine months revenue this year. Spread between both the Financial Services and the Benefits and Insurance practice groups, collectively, these businesses reported a decline of $12.9% in revenue for the nine months. To illustrate the stability of the remaining 85% of the core services, when you eliminate the impact of those businesses that have been more severely impacted the remaining core CBIZ revenue grew by an adjusted 4.1% with same unit revenue growing by an adjusted 1.9% for the nine months ended September 30, this year. Within Financial Services for the third quarter total revenue was up 1.1% with same unit revenue flat from a year ago. For the nine months, total revenue within financial services was up 1% with same unit revenue also flat. Revenue in core tax and accounting services has grown but we have also recorded modest growth in the government health-care consulting business where growth has…

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Thank you. Ware, I'd like to touch on a couple of additional areas before we turn it over for Q&A. Throughout the last nine months, there has been a great deal of discussion on how small businesses are likely to fare in the months ahead, given the impact of the pandemic. At CBIZ, we serve a wide range of clients with varying sizes and across many industries and geographies. That diversity within the mix of clients that we serve, helps us to insulate against business conditions that have a disproportionate impact on certain client populations. Moreover, while we do serve a large number of small businesses, a significantly larger portion of our revenues come from clients with annual revenues in excess of $20 million. Businesses of this size have historically proven to be far more resilient than smaller businesses in an uncertain and challenging business climate, such as the one year now facing. Turning to the upcoming presidential and congressional elections. We've also received a number of questions around what different outcomes might mean for CBIZ, our clients and the future of our business. Throughout our 24-year history, we've been through a number of changes in our nation's administration and had a sustained growth regardless of who is in the White House, or the Congress. Regardless of the outcome of next week's selections, we expect to experience continued change in complexity in the laws and regulations that apply to our clients, which is good for our business as our clients turn to us to help them understand the impact of these changes on their businesses. Finally, I want to provide a brief update on our efforts to make diversity and inclusion a central part of our CBIZ culture. Earlier this summer, following the tragic death of George Floyd, CBIZ moved…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And the first question today will come from Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Hey, good morning. If you could just talk a little bit about pricing. Just trying to understand, is pricing power much different between financial services and benefits and insurance, and what has the current environment during fiscal year 2020, what's pricing been versus typical?

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Chris, first of all, the pricing is a little bit different between the two divisions, as you know, within the Benefits and Insurance division, we often times are paid a commission, which is really a product of, or driven by the service that we provide, so a percentage of the premiums that the client may pay is a typical compensation system advantage to mature. So, while not exclusive, we obviously have fees related to our payroll services and some of our advisory services, much of the revenue there is more commission-driven. Within our Financial Services group, we are often most of that revenue is in fact fee-driven and we have not seen or heard of a lot of fee pressure in this environment, really. I think what we've experienced is that our clients are turning to us for advice and as to how to navigate in this environment. And that advice is less fee-driven and more value-based on the expertise that we bring to bear, so not to say that it will come at some point in the future as we bid for work going into 2021, but so far to-date, I have not heard of significant fee pressure.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it, it's helpful. On the government healthcare front, demand is still strong, timing uncertain. Again, is that mostly travel challenges or something else that's embedded in there? Just trying to get a sense in terms of -- for the first nine months, how significantly impacted that business segment was?

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

So, as you know, we typically enjoy high single-digit organic growth year-over-year in that business. We are still experiencing nice growth in that business, and it continues to perform well and as you indicated, the work is there, the demand is high, we have had some COVID-related challenges. They fall into two buckets, the one is the one that you identified, which is if we are required to be on-site to do certain work, that obviously has been somewhat impacted by this environment, although even in those instances, like many other companies in this environment, we're getting more comfortable with delivering network virtually. Our clients are able to work with us virtually, and so we're establishing a new workflow relative to work that was traditionally done on-site in many of those instances. The other kind of hurdle that we've begun to overcome here in that business is the fact that some of the state governments were given some latitude and some reprieve on when they were required to submit the background information and data that we need in order to do our work, and just, it was, as you would expect, just the product of other priorities. But that work also seems to be flowing more freely to us and we've had a couple of good months in that business. Time will tell if there are further delays based on the impact of COVID in various states and then in the various clients.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it and it's helpful. And last from me and it's a tough question, trying to get a sense, assuming no big COVID shutdowns over the coming months, in terms of your expected visibility, would you expect to be in a position in February, from where you sit today, to give fiscal 2021 guidance?

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Chris, I think it's too early to call that at this point, but certainly if there are no further COVID shutdowns, if there is a vaccine on the horizon or may be in place by that time, we would hope that we could put guidance back in place as quickly as we can, given a more certain environment.

Chris Moore

Analyst

Got it. I appreciate it. I'll jump back in line. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Marc Riddick with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Marc Riddick

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Hello. I wanted to just go over a couple of things, a lot of which you covered on the prepared remarks, which is great. I wanted to see if you could just bring us up to speed, maybe on some of the decision-making that you may be experiencing, whether it'd be anecdotal or what have you, as to the waiting for the current lack of or potential stimulus, what you might be seeing as to what customers the response for them and what delays that may be, and their decision making that may have an impact on your business currently? And what you see that maybe playing out?

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Marc, this is Jerry. Obviously, there's lots of discussions around when that next wave of stimulus may be available. I think overwhelming sentiment is that it will come at some point, whether it's shortly after the election or early into 2021. I know that our clients are tracking that. I know that it would be helpful for many segments of the economy and certainly for a lot of our clients. But what I will say is that, it really shines a light on the value and the differentiated value that we can bring to our clients with a holistic approach, when we help them through the first wave of the PPP loans and the Main Street Lending type programs that are available. So, we stand ready. We have our finger on the pulse of what might come, and as soon as it does come, we will mobilize as we did in the first instance to help our clients there. The second part of the question really is, how important is that to our clients. I will tell you that we have surveyed our clients informally, as well as we've had some client's panels that we've talked to and, not surprisingly, our clients are more optimistic than some of the newspaper reports and others may indicate. We tend to represent a very resilient segment of the population, as far as businesses are concerned, while they all had to readjust their businesses based on the current environment. I think the sentiment is more optimistic as they look forward. So, I think that's been reflected in our results and we would expect that to continue to be the case going forward.

Marc Riddick

Analyst

That's encouraging. And I was wondering if you could share a little bit of time talking about the longer-term market share opportunities? I mean, providing these services and being a trusted advisor at a challenging time certainly is a competitive differentiator and I wanted to get a sense of how you feel about the opportunity to gain a greater share of wallet from existing customers. Bringing on new customers, as well as maybe if you could touch a little bit on, if you have any thoughts on those who were maybe outsourcing some things that they had been doing themselves up to this point with the greater complexity and how that could lead to new business into accounts going forward? Thank you.

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

I'm going to take the questions in order. First of all, as to market share and how we are faring in this environment. Actually yesterday, I believe, there was an article in Accounting Today, we were lead article there as to our unique value proposition relative to certainly many of our competitors, as to the breadth and depth of services that we're able to provide, and how well that's being received into the market. And so if you haven't seen it, I'm happy to send you a link to that article, but it did a very nice job of describing how uniquely positioned we are in this environment to bring more than just the monoline view and solution to our clients. Because, as you can imagine, the challenges that are being faced by many businesses are multi-disciplinary and there are really no others in the country that are as well-positioned as we are to bring a multi-disciplinary holistic approach, comprehensive approach to the solution. So, as far as market share is concerned, we're very encouraged by the reception that we've received to our digital outreach through our webinars to our other thought leadership pieces going not only to our existing clients, but also the products. I'm sorry, prospects, and then the pipeline of new business opportunities that are flowing from that. So, we are very encouraged by that. As to outsourcing, I will say we haven't seen a dramatic difference at least I haven't heard of a dramatic difference in and how receptive the market is to that although logically would say that in time like the ones that we're facing. Now, our clients are most interested in focusing on their core competencies and the things that they do best and looking to others to help them with things that that may not be a core competency, including outsourcing things not building not incurring net expense to build their own infrastructure and cost that turn to organizations like ours that already have made those investments that can help them through this thing. So, I think all of that's at play right now and certainly a message that we're delivering to the market and again, we're very encouraged by the reception that we are receiving in the pipeline of opportunities that we see.

Marc Riddick

Analyst

Okay. And then one last one for me, I wanted to get a sense of, it's probably early, but maybe it's too early. Maybe it's not, I'm not sure, but I wanted to get a sense of, as you look at current tax code changes what we have so far. Is there a sense of what level of complexity that might look like year-over-year? I know we've had certain years where the complexity was far greater than others. I was wondering how that might look relative to maybe the last few years as far as the year-over-year changes of tax cuts. Thank you.

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

So, as we look forward, right, it really kind of depends on what happens in the upcoming elections here. I think under regardless of what that outcome is there is likely to be changes in our tax cut. Just as a result of all the stimulus and other dollars, other money that have been put in the economy and that was, have to be repaid at some point. So, I think tax laws are likely to change as we said repeatedly over the year's complexity and change is good for our business, because it does two things. Our clients of course turn to us to help them understand how that impacts them and their businesses and we help them navigate those that analysis but maybe equally important, it really does I think shine a light on CBIZ in our unique value proposition to prospects and it gives us an opportunity to go out and have that discussion. And demonstrate how we could bring different levels of solutions to the clients in the prospects that their current provider may not be able to provide. So I think, whenever there is changes whenever there is complexity, it's good for us. We've proven that over the years and I think kind of regardless of what happens in the upcoming elections. We're likely to see range in complexity.

Marc Riddick

Analyst

Makes sense. I greatly appreciate the commentary. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jerry Grisko for any closing remarks.

Jerry Grisko

Analyst

Okay, well thank you, everybody. I appreciate you listening in today. In conclusion, I want to thank our analysts and investors for joining us on the call and for your continued support. I'd also like to recognize and thank our CBIZ team members who may be listening in our call today. I attribute our continued success and resilience on the commitment and dedication of our team. This has been a year like no other in our history and I couldn't be more proud of our team continues to rise to the occasion to support each other, our clients and our communities. Thank you and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

And thank you, sir. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.