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CBIZ, Inc. (CBZ)

Q1 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, May 1, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the CBIZ First Quarter 2008 Results Conference Call. And at this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Steven Gerard, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of CBIZ. Mr. Gerard, you may begin.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Thank you, Christine. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for calling into CBIZ's first quarter 2008 conference call. Before I begin my comments, I would like to remind you of a few things. As with all of our conference calls, this call is intended to answer the questions of our shareholders and analysts. If there are media representatives on the call, you are welcome to listen in. However, I ask that if you do have questions, you hold them until after the call, and we will be happy to address them at that time. This call is also being webcast and you can access the call across our website at www.cbiz.com. You should have all received a copy of the press release we issued this morning. If you did not, you can access it on our website or you can call the corporate office for a copy. Finally, please remember that during the course of the call, we may make forward-looking statements. These statements represent management's intentions, hopes, beliefs, expectations, and predictions of the future. Actual results can, and sometimes do, differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in forward-looking statements is contained in our SEC filings, Form 10-K, and press releases. Joining me on the call this morning is Ware Grove, our Chief Financial Officer. Prior to the opening today, we released our first quarter earnings and we were pleased to report a revenue growth of 10.6% and an increase in our earnings per share from continuing operations of 22%. These results are exactly in line with the guidance that we had given in our prior phone conference and they are consistent with the long-term guidance we have given to each of you as to the direction of the company. Included in the results today, our three largest operating groups all posted growth in revenue and while there are a number of moving parts in the financial statements, on balance the results for the quarter were where we expected them to be. What I would like to do is hand this over to Ware to give you the detail and then I will come back and talk about some of the general trends we are seeing.

Ware Grove

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. As I normally do, let me take a few minutes to run through the highlights of the financial results that we released earlier today for the quarter ended March 31, 2008. As you look at the first quarter results for 2008 compared with 2007 please bear in mind that 2007 results have been restated for the impact of discontinued operations. You will also note that depreciation and amortization expense is no longer reflected as a separate line item in the income statement. We have included the majority of this item in the operating expense line as a more traditional presentation of gross margin for the business operations. But you can still find this information in Note #3 to the quarterly results. There you will see that depreciation and amortization expense was approximately $3.8 million for the first quarter this year compared to approximately $3.4 million for the first quarter a year ago. About 10% of this total expense is reflected as part of G&A expense with the balance reflected in our operating expenses. Total revenue in the first quarter was $197.4 million, which was an increase of $18.9 million, or 10.6% over total revenue in the first quarter of 2007. Our same-unit revenue increased by 5.0% and newly acquired operations contributed an additional 5.6% to the revenue growth in the first quarter. As we mentioned in the earnings release, this represents the nineteenth consecutive quarter of same-unit revenue growth for CBIZ. In the first quarter of 2008, same-unit revenue grew by 7.4% in our Financial Services group, grew by 2.5% in our Employee Services group, grew by 7.5% in our Medical Management Professionals group, and for our National Practices group, which is primarily comprised of technology services, same-unit revenue declined by 10.5% compared with…

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Thank you, Ware. Let me make a few comments on what we are seeing in the economy today. It is clear that the economic malaise that seems to be spreading across the country is affecting our clients to the extent that we are seeing the deferral of projects that we knew were on the drawing board. There was no impact in the first quarter other than the technology businesses, which is typically the first business to react, and the $1.2 million in revenue is directly related to – quarter-over-quarter – to projects and activities in our technology businesses that have been deferred or possibly postponed. We are not seeing any significant amount of distress in our clients today. Our cash collections are on target, Our DSO’s have improved, our loan balance is where we thought it was going to be, and our bad debts have not increased. So, what we are seeing is a deferral of projects that could affect us over the rest of the year. As Ware indicated, we are highly confident of the guidance we have given of 10% minimum top line and 20% minimum EPS. But we will see some impact as our clients continue to re-examine their own activities and make investment decisions. We, of course, are responding accordingly with reordering our organization to face-off against the markets that we see so we don’t expect it will have a material impact on us this year. The acquisition pipeline, as Ware has indicated, continues to be strong, and while there is no – there are no guarantees, we typically close three to five transactions per year. We have already closed three this year, so we are on pace to our normal program. There have been a number of questions recently about our practice business, so let me respond to that knowing that we’ll get some questions. The medical practice business, as you can see from our release, is strong and growing. In last year’s first quarter number, there was about $450,000 of revenue and income attributable to the Medicare reduction that hadn’t hit us yet; it subsequently did hit us. So, the results for last year actually slightly contained that gain. This year, we are looking out the rest of this year and not seeing any expected change in Medicare reimbursement rates for 2008, so we are reasonably comfortable with the projections that we have for that business. With that, let me stop and ask for any questions we may have of our analysts and shareholders and then I can come back with some concluding remarks.

Operator

Operator

(Operator instructions) The first question comes from Josh Vogel from Sidoti and Co. Please go ahead. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Hey, good morning, thank you. I know you mentioned that cash collections are strong, but I was just curious if you were seeing any sort of credit issues from any of your smaller clients? I know that some other of your competitors in the payroll business have been seeing that, I was wondering if you guys were.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

We are seeing no significant change in the credit quality of our clients. Appreciate we have almost 90,000 clients. It’s certainly possible that one or two somewhere may be in trouble, but we are not seeing any trend and our bad debts have got deteriorated in fact, they have actually – they are a little bit better, so no. For whatever reason, we are not yet seeing any significant amount of distress within our existing client base. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Okay. And if we look at the Employee Services group, the margins came in a little bit lighter than what I was looking for. I was wondering what was driving that pressure – the gross margin came in a little lighter.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

I can tell you they came in lighter than I was looking for, too. There are a couple of very specific reasons. Obviously, our P&C business margins are down as is most P&C across the country. Our wealth management revenue and margins are down given the asset levels that we get paid on. And we continue to have some issues not in our retail business but in our national Employee Services issues with one or two of our business units that we are working on. So, it’s really a combination of three different factors driving the margins a little bit lower than where we would have expected them now. One of the other businesses that does get affected when things slow down is some of the consulting work we do in our human capital business and we are seeing a little bit of a tail off in that as well. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Do you expect these margins pressures to persist throughout the year?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

I am expecting that the margin for the Employee Services business will improve significantly form the 18.6% that was reported in the first quarter. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: You mean throughout the year?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Yes, over the year. I expect it to – I expect the year-end to be a higher number, and I expect to see improvement quarter-over-quarter as we go forward. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Okay, great. And switching over to MMP, now that the reimbursement legislation is pretty much annualized here, should we – how should we look at the margins in that division. Should we expect it to be up year over year?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Well, the margin is already up year over year, quarter over quarter. I think the margin for ’07 first quarter was 9.9 and the margin here is 11.5. And it’s actually better than that when you consider the 450,000 in the first quarter of last year. But we are expecting margin improvement – we are expecting annual margin improvement in all three of our major businesses year over year. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Hey, great. And now if all of your acquisitions that you have made, if they hit their targets, what will the total earn out be that you would have to pay in ’08?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

In ’08 we have already paid…

Ware Grove

Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, most of the earn outs, and it does kind of falls this way on the calendar, occur in the first quarter. So, the spending we talked about from acquisitions basically occurs primarily in the first quarter. The – on an annualized basis, I think we have got a tail of approximately 15 to $17 million over the next two to three years on current acquisitions. Should they hit their target, and we hope that they do, the earn out obligation would be approximately that amount. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Okay, great. And just lastly, what did you say you thought the year-end share count would be for 2008?

Ware Grove

Chief Financial Officer

Approximately 65 million shares. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Co.: Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Robert Kirkpatrick from Cardinal Capital. Please go ahead. Robert Kirkpatrick – Cardinal Capital: Thank you and good morning. Could you – maybe, I want to follow-up here on the acquisitions, what was the total amount that was paid in earns outs and in acquisitions during the first quarter?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

In the first quarter, we paid out $17.1 million for earn outs and for newly acquired businesses. Robert Kirkpatrick – Cardinal Capital: Right. And it looked like there was a pretty good size drop in your operating expenses recorded by corporate and not directly allocated to the business units, which you talk about in foot note two at the end of your press release, where kind of almost seven and a half, 5.5 to $2.75 million. Could you address that please?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Well boy, Rob, I am not sure exactly what that number is. Hold on one second. Robert Kirkpatrick – Cardinal Capital: Sure.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Okay. Deferred comp – we’ve talked about that before. We have this rabbi trust set up and now it’s for the deferred comp, salary deferrals that people at CBIZ have an option for under the plan. The assets under that plan are now slightly in excess of $20 million.. In fact, at year-end, they were $22 million. And unfortunately in the first quarter, we had experienced losses on that. So, the accounting for that runs through G&A and operating expense as a reduction in compensation expense. So, a good piece of that was, I think in that line, Rob. I want to remind you that the accounting for the deferred comp is – nets out when you get to the pre-tax income line, and that’s why we emphasize the pre-tax income margin in our discussion. If in fact you have a reduction in compensation expense related to the losses in the market value, you also have an ordinary – I am sorry, an other income loss in the pre-tax income. So, when you get to pre-tax income, there is absolutely no impact net of that item. So, that’s primarily what that is. Robert Kirkpatrick – Cardinal Capital: Great. Thank you so much for clarifying that. Appreciate it

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brendon Folichio [ph] from Novel Bank Group [ph]. Please go ahead. Brendon Folichio – Novel Bank Group: Good morning, guys, nice quarter. Question on the National Practices. It looks like that business, obviously, had a weak quarter. What sort of growth do you expect from that business in terms of what’s embedded in your 10% revenue growth expectation for National Practices?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Yeah, I am not expecting the kind of growth in the National Practices group. Appreciate that it’s a relatively small piece of the total pie at some $40 million plus. It’s primarily a technology driven business. Half of the technology business is in Edward Jones, which is our largest single client. And that’s pretty constant. So, what we are looking at is a decline in the revenue of the other half, namely, $20 million. We are not expecting – we have a number of projects that we are planning for and we have a number of opportunities, but at this point I am not expecting that business to grow revenue this year. Brendon Folichio – Novel Bank Group: Are there any segments that – where you are seeing competitors cut prices aggressively in response to market conditions?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Well, I think this is a highly competitive – all of our businesses are in highly competitive markets. And certainly we are seeing pressure on the P&C side of the business, we are seeing pressure on the medical practice side of the business, but that pressure tends to come from people who are – just trying to gain market share at this point in time. I wouldn’t call it – I don’t think we are seeing in any significant way the kind of predatory pricing that you might see when people are just trying to survive. We are not seeing that – we don’t have those kind of relationships with our clients, and we are not seeing very much of that. There is general pricing pressure today and I would expect that there will be general pricing pressure the rest of this year. When the economy slows down and people scurry for business, one of the things they do is that they try and attack pricing, as by the way did [ph] we for all of our prospects. So, my guess is that what we may lose in pricing due to competitive pressure, we should be able to make up with our marketing and sales efforts. Brendon Folichio – Novel Bank Group: To what extent, on the acquisition side, to what extent is the economy helping you? Are prices getting a little more attractive in areas of interest?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

I think prices are getting slightly more attractive. I wouldn’t classify it as a lot more and that’s driven as much by the fact that the debt markets are tied and that the private equity people are sitting on the sideline as much as it is the general economy. The businesses that we are looking at all, quite frankly, have good growth behind them and good growth opportunities. So, I think pricing becomes a little bit more rational this year, but none of the businesses we are looking at today and none of the businesses we are in really are going to be affected by significantly discounted pricing given what the economic situation is. Brendon Folichio – Novel Bank Group: Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

(Operator instructions) The next question comes from Bill Sutherland from Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead. Bill Sutherland – Boenning & Scattergood: Thanks, good morning. Steve, you mentioned the fact that you are starting to hear about project deferrals and maybe some impact on some of those business trends in the second half in particular where your recurring types of revenue particularly in Financial Services is less a percent of total. I am just curious, with that outlook and your feeling comfort, high comfort with at least 10% revenue growth, do you think the mix of revenue in the back half will be a little more dependent on acquired revenue? And then secondly, are you all looking at your revenue forecast right now without any other acquisitions yet to be completed? Thanks.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

We are looking at the revenue forecast without any acquisitions in our statement that we are very comfortable with the guidance we gave. And any acquisitions we would likely make the rest of this year probably wouldn’t have a significant impact on this year’s P&L. So, I’d – but it’s a good question because let me remind everyone on the phone of what we have been saying for five years, which is we have a long-term model that says we think we can grow the top line at 10% and the bottom line EPS at a minimum of 20 with a combination of three factors – our organic growth, our cross serving, which is internal organic growth, and our acquisitions. But we have also said that in any given year one might be slightly higher than the other and that that 10% averages out over time. If you look at our last five years, we have actually been growing two-thirds organic and one-third by acquisitions. So, it is possible that this year – if you look at the first quarter, the organic growth was basically 50:50 in terms of organic and acquisition growth. And it may turn out this year that we would get to the 10% in a little bit different way. But that I think is very consistent with what we said we would try and do. Our job as a team here is to drive those two lines and if looks short versus the other that we think we can make it up. As to the question on the second half of the year, I don’t know at this point – I don’t think we have visibility enough at this point to know whether the mix at the second half is going to be dramatically different. I would remind everyone that we have over 80% recurring revenue and over 90% client retention rates, historically. And so with that huge amount of recurring revenue, we should be alright in the second half of the year even if we see some of the projects slacken off. And I think we will see some, but we have very aggressive marketing plans and very aggressive new business plans to generate incremental revenue that we think will offset that. Bill Sutherland – Boenning & Scattergood: And on cross serving, did you all update how that’s going for the year?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

I don’t believe we have updated. Our goal for 2008 is considerably higher than our goal for 2007. And we are – quarter over quarter we are pretty much on track with where we need to be, so the cross serving effort continues apace. Too soon to tell how close we’ll come to the goal. A lot of this stuff gets entered in the system kind of late, but we think we are alright with that. Bill Sutherland – Boenning & Scattergood: Okay, good. Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Joe Locante [ph], a private investor. Please go ahead.

Joe Locante

Analyst

Hey guys, fabulous quarter. I am very impressed with the operation. I just wanted to ask you a question about the share purchase – repurchase program. Could you give me the thought process behind the share repurchase program in that you were using your funds for the acquisition that you that you can otherwise be doing acquisitions with. Tell me the thought process behind buying the stock back as opposed to using it for other acquisitions.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Sure, Joe, I will be happy to. The fact of the matter is the first priority every single day is acquisitions. That’s clear and I think we have said almost in every conference call. What we tend to look at is what’s our acquisition pipeline and when do we think they will close and what’s our available cash and our incoming cash flow. And when we think we have enough cash to continue to do the acquisitions that we have slated and buy our shares back, and when that’s accretive, then we’ll go ahead and buy the shares back. So, with respect to this first quarter, we completed three acquisitions and still had as our projections go significant excess cash flow available for repurchase. Since there was nothing else imminent on the acquisition side, we went ahead with our continued repurchase plan. If a day where to come when the acquisition – the near-term acquisition pipeline was so huge so as to use up available cash we wouldn’t be buying any shares because clearly we want to be building the company via acquisitions first.

Joe Locante

Analyst

But couldn’t you pay up a little bit more for the acquisitions as opposed to – and be accretive, as opposed to buying the stock yet–?

Steven Gerard

Chairman

No, the decision to what we pay is not a function of how much cash we have. The decision of how much we pay is what’ the value of the acquisition or what we think the return is going to be. So, if we put more money on the acquisitions we wouldn’t be buying companies that are higher prices because we had more cash. We’d much rather stay very focused in the model we have for making acquisitions all of which have been successful so far, and pay within that range rather than over pay because we had the cash. We have a very strong pipeline now of acquisitions, so I am comfortable that we’ll be able to do some more, but in the mean time, we’ve got the cash to use for acquisition.

Joe Locante

Analyst

Very good. Thank you very much.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Thank you, Joe.

Operator

Operator

Gentlemen, at this time, there are no additional questions. Please go ahead with any concluding comments.

Steven Gerard

Chairman

Well, okay, if there are no other questions, let me just summarize by saying I think this was a good quarter. I think we have a challenging year ahead. We are going to have to work harder on the revenue line and continue to focus on the margin line. As Ware indicated, we are reiterating our guidance, which is a minimum of 10% top line, a minimum of 20% EPS, including a 50 basis point margin improvement. For all of our employees that are listening to these calls, I again thank you, I know that this was a hard quarter and I know that the next ones may even be a little bit harder, but the company has got a lot of momentum behind them, so we are reasonably comfortable with the guidance we have given. With that, I thank our shareholders for their support and I look forward to talking to you at the next conference call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in the CBIZ first quarter 2008 results conference call. This concludes your conference for today. You may all disconnect at this time.