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Camden National Corporation (CAC)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 26, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Camden National Corporation's First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Jason and I will be the operator for today's call. All participants will be on listen-only during today's presentation. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements which involve significant risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to vary materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Additionally, information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements are described in the company's earnings press release, the company's 2021 annual report on Form 10-K, and other filings with the SEC. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the forward-looking statements are made. Any references in today's presentation to non-GAAP financial measures are intended to provide meaningful insights and are reconciled with GAAP in the press release. Today's presenters are David [ph] Dufour, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Archer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please note that this event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Greg Dufour. Please go ahead sir.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Jason. Good afternoon and welcome to Camden National's first quarter 2022 earnings call. Earlier today, we reported first quarter 2022 earnings of $16.8 million or $1.13 on a diluted share basis. This is up 2% from the fourth quarter 2021 and 15% lower on a net income basis when compared to the first quarter of 2021. Mike will provide more detail in a few moments, but I want to comment that we believe this is a solid start to the year in light of several factors and conditions. First, as we all know, the economy and interest rate environment are dramatically different than they were just a few months ago and certainly a year ago. Second, like most banks, we've seen a decline in residential mortgage activity and related income as well as declines in PPP-related revenues as those loans are being forgiven. Finally, and reflective of our strong asset quality, we continue to see benefits from provision releases as a number of loans that were modified during COVID have come out of the occurring period. As Mike will provide further details, there is some potential for additional provision releases in the coming quarters as we expect more loans previously modified to meet the internal metrics we've established for ourselves at which time we'd release those reserves as needed. From a market perspective, I would summarize by saying conditions are what we expected. We have seen a 29% decline in residential mortgage activity tracking near what national numbers are caused by increased mortgage rates, but also a significant lack of inventory throughout all of our markets. As we have all read there are bidding awards for homes on the market and we are seeing more and more instances where cash buyers winning those bids. We've seen strong commercial lending activity ranging from small business to commercial and commercial real estate. Commercial grew of $40 million or 11% from the end of last year, while CRE originations for the quarter were solid but somewhat muted by one large payoff as the property sold to a large national offer. This provides a buffer to the decline in residential mortgage activity, but I will point out that the competition for lending is still very hot. We are seeing very competitive situations on both rates as well as deal structure, which results in us opting to pick our spots in those situations. From a long-term perspective, including understanding our strong deposit base, we feel we're in a good position, although, we'll see some pressure in the coming weeks and months. It's now my pleasure to turn the discussion over to Mike.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Thank you Greg, and good afternoon everyone. I'm pleased to report that we got off to a solid start this year with reported net income for the first quarter of $16.8 million and diluted earnings per share of $1.13, each representing an increase of 2% over last quarter. Through favorable earnings and capital management strategies, we deployed in recent periods, including continued opportunistic share repurchase and dividends, our return on average tangible equity for the first quarter was just over 16%. For the first quarter of 2022, net interest income decreased $432,000 or 1% compared to the fourth quarter of 2021 driven by a decrease in SBA PPP loan income of $1.7 million, as related loan balances continue to run off at an accelerated pace, as borrowers take advantage of loan forgiveness offered. As of March 31, 2022, SBA PPP loan balances stood at $6.3 million and remaining unrecognized origination fees were just over $200,000. Strong loan growth the last two quarters was able to largely offset the impact of lower PPP income and will prove beneficial, as we continue throughout the year. Net interest margin for the first quarter of 2022 was 2.87%, an increase of five basis points over last quarter and on a non-GAAP adjusted basis it also increased by five basis points over this period. We believe our balance sheet composition positions us to fare well as interest rates rise, and we anticipate to see further NIM expansion as our current book continues to reprice and new loans and investments come on at higher yields, which should drive asset yield growth. We believe the amount of NIM expansion over the course of the year will be predicated on our ability to manage funding costs. With that said, we have a strong core deposit franchise and we…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Damon DelMonte with KBW. Please proceed.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon guys. Hope everybody is doing well today.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

We are Damon.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Great. Good to hear Greg. Just wanted to start off with the margin and your thoughts going forward. I know you guys are asset sensitive. And just wondering what you guys internally project the margin to do for a 25 basis point increase here coming up in May or even a 50 basis point as it seems like the market is moving towards that stance?

Mike Archer

Analyst

I guess, Damon, what we're saying internally right now is our models are looking at it from where does the Fed look like at 250 by year-end. On that basis from a margin perspective, we think where we are right now at 287 for the first quarter is a pretty good indicator of where we may end up, I'd say plus or probably more on the upside maybe plus five basis points. Within our first quarter margin there's a interest income. There's a few items in there that are call it a little higher than -- higher nonrecurring items. So because of that, we think we'll cover that but also we have some potential upside from here too.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Got it. Okay. So where -- what would you put the core margin at this quarter closer to like 280?

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Yeah, probably three basis points down from what we reported from the core basis. That's 280, 279 to run there.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Okay, got it. Okay, great. And then can you talk a little bit about your outlook for expenses and how you see them trending going forward? They came in a little bit lighter than what we were looking for, but just wondering with wage inflation and any other projects or internal initiatives you have going on, kind of, how you see the expense base trending?

Mike Archer

Analyst

Yeah. I think like we said, I mean, we expected on average our run rate for the rest of the year to be closer to the 27. This quarter, I agree certainly a little bit lower. We do in the second quarter as well. We have our annual director equity grants that come through that pushes up a little bit as well. So my expectation for the second quarter is we could be slightly above 27. But from there we'll level out and roughly be at 27 for the year.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Great. And then just lastly, loan growth obviously off to a really strong start helped in part by the portfolio of residential mortgages. I guess first part, do you expect to continue to portfolio resi mortgages? And then second part, how do you look at this quarter's result and extrapolate that over the coming quarters? Thanks.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Yeah. So on the resi mortgage side, as I mentioned in my comments and certainly Greg too is, it's a really hot market on the residential mortgage side. We sold 23% to held 77% in our portfolio for the first quarter. I think based on our current pipeline and the way that's shaping up, it will be somewhere in the 70% to 75% likely, again, for the second quarter that will hold. I think from there, it's certainly a big question mark in terms of what the competition does. We're seeing it just that the market around us is pricing well below the secondary market. We hope and believe that what we'll see over the next 60, 90 days that start to, call it, correct itself a little bit. But I think to that point we're -- right now, we're kind of internally thinking about what does that look like? What is that balance for loan and on our portfolio as well as sold? We personally would like to see it closer to the 50-50 mix. But we do think that that's going to be a real challenge getting there this year for remainder of the year.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

And maybe I can just add Damon, on the commercial side and including within that small business, obviously, off to a strong start. And that's reflective of build-out of our small business efforts that we're doing, both from people, as well as processing to make it more streamlined and then on the larger commercial side. I know, typically, we say mid-single-digit loan growth. I think, if you annualized out our growth, that's probably on the higher end from what we have. If you go back to my old thing of mid-single digit, probably we're a little bit higher than that for you to think about going forward. We're pleased with what we're seeing. But as I mentioned in my comments, it's just competitive. It's competitive on the rate side competitive on the structure side. And I always want to maintain the flexibility to pick our spots and -- because that will be best long-term growth, especially, if there's a potential change in the asset quality cycle coming up.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Got it. That’s great. Thank you very much.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

You’re welcome.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from Matthew Breese with Stephens. Please proceed.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Good afternoon. I was hoping you could help me -- a couple of questions. So the first one is just on incremental loan yields. What are the incremental blended yields versus the existing book? And have we hit the crossover point yet?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

We have. So right now our pipeline is -- we're seeing it on the upper end of 4 now, from a rate perspective. And then -- from the resi side. And then on the commercial side, we're starting to get into the 4s into the high 4s -- low 4s to high 4s too. So we're starting to certainly seeing yields and pricing start to tick up, Matt.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Got it. Okay. And then behind your NIM forecast through the end of the year, what are your assumed deposit betas? And how does that compare to last cycle?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Yes. So we're assuming -- I'll call it, over the economic cycle 25% beta. Yes, we hope it will certainly be better than that. Within that forecast, we're not assuming any lag. Again, I don't think that will be the case, as we always have been, we'll lag the market. We have a strong liquidity position, strong deposit -- core deposit franchise. But in terms of what I shared there from a margin outlook, it assumes there's no lag.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Okay. And are you starting to see the market get a bit more competitive on the deposit front? Like, do you think you'll be able to lag, or is it intensifying more than you thought already?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

We're starting to hear a little bit, but it's -- at this point it's not prevalent. We do anticipate that we will lag. We do think that's a reality. I think realistically, the first 7,500 basis points will lag and then from there, it's going to be certainly competitive. One of the things that, would be a big factor just like on the loan side will be what competition does not all the banks, certainly within our markets to have our position, we might have to chase deposits a little bit higher. We'll pick and choose those relationships and we'll do it prudently.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Okay. The other one I had was the commercial reserves that are predicated on certain behaviors to release there. Is that an all-at-once type event, or should we think about kind of evenly dispersing that throughout the course of the year?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

It's likely that, the bulk of that could come through in the next quarter. But I just want to be cautious of what that actually means. I mean, certainly, we'll have to release some reserves to the extent they meet those internal metrics we spoke of. But at the same time, as we all know, the macroeconomic environment is pretty volatile, and a function of loan growth in terms of how that pans out for the second quarter. So I guess, my point being is reserve [Audio Gap] it's probably isn't a likely outcome there. We expect to have some loan growth probably similar and comparable to what we saw this quarter. On top of that, was as I mentioned just the macro environment and how that impacts the more volatile accounting model as well.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Got it.

Greg Dufour

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Yes. Maybe if I could just add on that Matt, and more repeating what Mike just said is, we wanted to put out there the max potential relief that could come, but we don't expect it to be out there. Again, just as the economy plays out as Mike said, and obviously, we want to use it up in loan growth. But we just wanted to communicate that situation there, but I would put that whole amount in your models.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Understood. Okay. My last one is just in regards to the C&I portfolio specifically. Obviously, it was a very nice quarter growth-wise. I wanted to get a sense for utilization rates at year-end and today. How much of that was due to increased utilization? Do you expect that to continue? And how much of that was just kind of new customers and organic growth?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

We have seen the working capital lines pick up a bit from year-end, but we're still below pre-pandemic levels at this point Matt.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Okay. All right. That's all I had.

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Oh sorry, go ahead.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

No, no you go ahead and finish. That was my last question.

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Well, I was going to say on the C&I side, I think it's the small business team has done a lot of ramp up, and we've seen some pretty solid momentum there. So certainly in our comments, as we alluded to, we're excited about that and where that goes.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Got it. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. I appreciate it.

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Please proceed.

Yep. It's our pleasure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. As we have no further questions, this concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to pass the conference over to our management team for closing remarks.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Really the only closing remarks is to thank you all for your attendance and listening in, later this afternoon at 3 o'clock, we'll have our Annual Shareholder Meeting. And if some of you are there, we look forward to hosting you virtually on that. So take care.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.