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Blackstone Mortgage Trust, Inc. (BXMT)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 29, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome everyone to the Blackstone Mortgage Trust First Quarter 2020 Investor Call. My name is Tommy, and I'm your event manager. During the presentation, your lines will remain on listen-only. [Operator Instructions] I would like to advice all parties the conference is being recorded for replay purposes.And now I'd like to hand over to your host, Weston Tucker, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Weston Tucker

Analyst

Great. Thank you and good morning, everyone, and welcome to Blackstone Mortgage Trust's first quarter conference call. I'm joined remotely today by Mike Nash, Executive Chairman; Steve Plavin, Chief Executive Officer; Jonathan Pollack, Global Head of Real Estate Debt Strategies; Katie Keenan, President; Tony Marone, Chief Financial Officer; and Doug Armer, Executive Vice President, Capital Markets.Last night, we filed our 10-Q and issued a press release with the presentation of our results, which are available on our website and have been filed with the SEC.I'd like to remind everyone that today's call may include forward-looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the Company's control. Actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results, please see the Risk Factors section of our most recent 10-K and 10-Q reports. We do not undertake any duty to update forward-looking statements.We will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call. And for reconciliations, you should refer to the press release and our 10-Q. This audiocast is copyrighted material of Blackstone Mortgage Trust and may not be duplicated without our consent.So a quick recap of our results. We reported a GAAP net loss per share of $0.39 for the first quarter, while core earnings were positive $0.64 per share. Two weeks ago, we paid a dividend of $0.62 per share with respect to the first quarter.If you have any questions following today's call, please let me know.And with that, I'll now turn things over to Steve.

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Thanks, Weston, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining the call and it would have been very challenging circumstances for many. We hope that you and your families are safe and healthy. At Blackstone, we've been working remotely since March 16, but with the demands of the current market, not to mention our heavy zoom usage, we feel very connected as a team and with our important clients and counterparties as well. And we have a lot to update you about.Our Q1 was essentially a pre-COVID quarter with continued strong performance. Although, we did revise our CECL reserve at quarter end, it will affect the current market conditions. Tony will take you through the details of the quarter and the reserve methodology, which as a reminder, it's an accounting adjustment and not specific to any loans in our portfolio.I want to focus my remarks and where BXMT is today amid the pandemic and how our disciplined business model positions us for the staying power required in a time like this. Coming into this period of volatility, the overall real estate industry was well situated with balance fundamentals, responsible industry-wide leverage, diverse equity and debt participation and liquid capital markets.BXMT has always been run conservatively with a focus on downside protection in our assets and the strength of our balance sheet. We are a pure-play senior whole loan originator with a disciplined approach centered on top quality assets, markets and borrowers. We have never purchased mezzanine loans or securities. Our borrowers are among the best capitalized and most skilled operators in the business. They have significant equity in the assets that we finance.The weighted average origination LTV of our portfolio is 63% and our borrowers have never missed an interest payment. Our balance sheet strength begins with our best-in-class bank…

Anthony Marone

Analyst

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. I will start by echoing Steve's comments on the current environment. Our thoughts are with all those who have been impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, including those who maybe facing health challenges, those whose lives and jobs have been upended by the social distancing initiatives and all of our medical professionals and other frontline workers who are fighting this disease and keeping the core of our country running.Steve covered a lot of ground on our current position and outlook, so I will focus on our 1Q results, which underpins the themes Steve highlighted around the strength of our portfolio, the strength of our balance sheet, and our strong liquidity position in addition to our great quarterly results.Starting with earnings. Our results were significantly impacted by the current expected credit loss or CECL reserve we recorded in the first quarter. As a reminder, the CECL accounting standard was effective for BXMT and similar-sized public companies on January 1 of 2020. This new accounting standard requires lenders to record an estimated life of loan loss reserve against all loans in their portfolio. And with few exceptions, this reserve cannot be zero.To determine our CECL reserve, we have augmented our track record of no realized losses across the $44 billion of loans we have originated since our senior lending business launched in 2013 with securitized loan data we licensed from Trepp LLC. Although securitized loans are not perfectly comparable to the high-quality loans we make at BXMT, we've tailored our approach to focus on Trepp's loss data for loans that are most similar to our business model, which is focused on large senior loans to well capitalized institutional owners of quality assets located in the major markets.Our adoption of these new CECL accounting rules resulted in…

Weston Tucker

Analyst

And if I could just remind everyone before the operator opens up to Q&A. The analysts could please limit their questions to one question and one follow-up, just to make sure we get through the queue. That would be appreciated.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much everyone. Your question-and-answer session will now begin. [Operator Instructions] And the first question is coming from the line of Rick Shane. Please go ahead. You’re live in the call now.

Richard Shane

Analyst

Hey guys. Thanks for taking my questions this morning. I'd just like to talk a little bit about modifications generally on the loans. You guys cited one transaction this quarter. I'm curious what type, and again, I realize we don't want to talk to you specifically about an individual loan, but generally speaking, what type of additional capital might you expect borrowers to contribute? And are there ways, not only I realize you're giving up some spread in those transactions, but are there places where you pick up additional economics?

Katharine Keenan

Analyst

Hey Rick. This is Katie. I think that when we talk about mods, we are really starting from a position where we have low leverage loans and very well capitalized sponsors. The vast majority of our loans are to sponsors with over a $1 billion of AUM and that’s the perspective that they're bringing. They have long-term views on the value of their assets and they have reiterated to us, including all of our hotel sponsors that they have the strong intention and ability to support their assets through this period.So our conversations with them about mods are really focused on how the assets can be best positioned to work through the period of disruption. We're not talking about any type of interest relief on the small number of loans where we're talking about some interest deferral, which really is just a handful in our portfolio at this stage.It's really a timing difference. So we expect to get paid all of our interest over time. And those conversations are paired with meaningful additional equity investments. The details as we point out sort of vary from loan to loan, but in general, we're looking at ensuring that the assets are well positioned to carry through the period of disruption.

Richard Shane

Analyst

Got it. Great. That's very helpful. And then just one bookkeeping question for me. When you talk about the reserve with CECL, you cited number of $140.4 million and we see how that builds. But when we look at the balance sheet allocation, it's $112.7 million. Where's the rest of that allocated just so we can sort of follow it over time?

Anthony Marone

Analyst

Sure. This is Tony and I'll apologize for the way SASB wrote the CECL accounting rule, they may get a little bit harder to find, but it's all in the 10-Q. So the portion you're seeing right on the balance sheet is the portion that's allocable to the funded amount of our loans. The CECL accounting rules also require a reserve for the future funding component of the loans and that component sits in other liabilities. So if you look at our 10-Q, I believe it's Note 4, other assets and other liabilities, you'll see some further disclosure about the CECL reserve and that'll give you the other balance sheet components in that note.

Richard Shane

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Next question is coming from Steve Delaney. Please go ahead. You're live in the call.

Steven Delaney

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Steve in your comments, you sounded like the both sides of the market from a transactional standpoint where kind of frozen and a wait and see. I'm just curious if, I don’t know you're working on asset management, but do you expect to review, consider any new loan requests over the next two or three quarters or is it just the door's not open right now?

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Thanks for your question, Steve. No, I think the door is always open for good opportunities for us. And we have great market access and great relationships. And I do think that our borrower base is particularly well positioned to be early movers and opportunistic investing that will inevitably occur through this crisis period. Right now the market is pretty frozen. Usually when you enter a period of high volatility, you typically see buyers and sellers and the lenders and the barrowers, everybody moves to the sidelines and sort of waits for things to settle out.And I think buyer expectations tend to be high and so it's very hard for deals to be made. I do think that we've seen a little bit more liquidity in the market and we've seen the other CMBS deal this week, so we've seen a little bit of a [indiscernible] unlocking the capital markets a little bit more. And the debt markets have been falling even more significantly than that. So maybe that – maybe that will indicate there'll be – that we'll start seeing some transaction volume, but we wouldn't expect to see anything for a quarter or two based upon our present outlook.

Steven Delaney

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then on the repayment side that little over 500 in the first quarter and kind of the same run rate, would you think if we were just a model out something in the $0.5 billion, $600 million a quarter over the balance of the year that that is – that would be a reasonable expectation for repayments? It sounds like they're going to – you would expect them to slowdown versus the percentage repayment that we saw in 2019.

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Yes. I think that's correct as an observation. The repayments that we had in the first quarter where we're definitely concentrated in January and February sort of before we begin to feel the impact on markets of COVID-19. So we do expect repayments to be at a slower pace than the historic levels and the levels that we would have expected absent the current market conditions.Very difficult to predict the repayments and a lot of that will depend upon liquidity in the market. And again, those same factors that we talked about in terms of creating the new business will – a lot of those same factors would generates the repayment volume in our portfolio as well. We do expect to see some repayments. And so there will be some liquidity coming through that channel, but I think slower than the historic pace, very hard to peg a number. We'll just have to take it quarter-by-quarter.

Steven Delaney

Analyst

Got it. Well, thank you for the comments and everyone stay well.

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Doug Harter. Please go ahead. You’re live in the call.

Douglas Harter

Analyst

Thank you. I guess as we're thinking about the liquidity position, any sense as you can give us as to the deleveraging that will take place in your conversation with your seven largest lenders?

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Sure, Doug. Hey, it's Doug here. The first thing that I would tell you is that the agreements reflect a balance of priorities and optimizing liquidity and enhancing stability are twin goals for us. So the answer in terms of the impact on liquidity is not as much as you might think. There's an array of ways to delever cash payments is one, but pledging additional collateral and changing waterfall structures are others. And we'll use all the tools in the toolkit over time to achieve the deleveraging that we need.Each agreement is different and the specifics are obviously confidential, but we believe we've addressed the potential for credit marks, especially on our hospitality assets as Steve mentioned, and develop the further flexibility that we need during the heavily COVID-19 impacted period. And I'll just go back to the beginning.The starting point for us just in terms of context for these agreements, which is that they're in the context of our pure-play senior loan portfolio, BX relationships with both our borrowers and the banks, and it's a very healthy context and we're happy to address the concerns of our banks in that context. We feel that the agreements reflect the alignment of interests that we have with them in terms of managing through this COVID-19 impacted period.

Douglas Harter

Analyst

Thanks Doug. And just kind of following up on that, when you say kind of changing waterfalls, does that sort of change kind of how the cash flow kind of as loan repayments or interest payments receive kind of comes back to you, and I guess just how did that kind of factor into kind of your quarterly cash flow just to make sure to kind of understood your comments?

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Yes. In terms of deleveraging, I would think about that more with regard to principal payments than interest payments, but there are a whole array of options in terms of achieving that deleveraging, and that is one of them, but we've got a bunch of tools in the toolkit. I think our cash flow going forward is going to continue to reflect the fact that we've got a very large scale portfolio of performing first mortgage loans that are generally speaking current pay loans.

Douglas Harter

Analyst

All right. Thank you, Doug.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Arren Cyganovich. Please proceed. You’re live in the call.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst

Thanks. I was hoping if you could talk a little bit about the decision to move the hospitality assets to category four in your risk rating. I believe it’s listed as high risk potential for loss. And I get that completely. I understand it. The bulk of those have LTVs that are kind of 70% and below kind of more like 65%, it would take a pretty dramatic decline in those hotel asset values to really get into your loans. Maybe you could just talk a little bit about. Is there actual potential for loss there? Is it just because we have no idea what the values of these are going to be in 18 months? And what are some of the sponsors doing to help alleviate the risk there?

Katharine Keenan

Analyst

Yes, it’s Katie. So to your point, we continue to feel very good about the quality of our portfolio, the assets and our sponsors. And we are starting from a very low leverage point on these assets. But we're mindful and cognizant that this is a very challenging environment and as a result, we thought it was prudent to downgrade these loans based on the operational impact of COVID-19 particularly on our hospitality assets, which are right now experiencing disruption and cash flows.So it's really a reflection of our prudence and sort of uncertainty about exactly what's going to – what the overall timing is going to be of the recovery of these assets. But the loans continue to perform. They have strong well capitalized sponsors. They started at low leverage points. So to your point, there would have to be some very significant declines in value to actually impact the par balance of our loans. But with all that said, we just felt it was appropriate to move them to floor ratings and view of the current disruption and the possibility of an elongated recovery.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst

Thanks. And in these conversations you're having with the sponsors, are they showing a willingness to put in additional [indiscernible] understand how that works from a structural perspective? Do they have like – these special entities where they can add additional equity to the property? I'm just trying to understand how that would work.

Katharine Keenan

Analyst

Yes, I would say all of our sponsors and as I'm sure you can imagine, we’ve very frequent close dialogue with our sponsors on our hospitality assets as well as our overall portfolio. They continue to reiterate their intention and their ability to support these assets. These are good assets with business plans that they believe will still be viable, just prolonged or sort of pushed back through the period of disruption.And because we've always been very focused on lending to large, well capitalized sponsors, generally large private equity funds, they have the liquidity to invest additional capital in these assets in order to carry them. So what that would look like would be contributing additional equity to the properties, to the borrowers to provide for the ability for the cash flow to carry through the period of disruption and get the assets to the other side so they can resume implementing their business plans.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Jade Rahmani. Please proceed.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Thank you very much and glad to hear from everyone. In terms of the hotel loans, the slides note $1.2 billion of outstanding facility borrowings. Would you expect 10% to 20% pay downs to occur on those borrowings over the next one to two quarters in order to deleverage that financing?

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Hey, Jade, it's Doug. I'd reiterate my previous comments in terms of that deleveraging. The specifics are different for each bank and it's in the context of cross-collateralized portfolios that involve a significant portion, obviously the vast majority that are not hospitality assets. And so we wouldn't quantify the deleveraging in those terms. But we would say that that we do feel like we've addressed in the context of our relationships with these banks that we've addressed the potential credit mark issues on the hospitality assets in particular with these agreements.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Okay. The $1.6 billion of unencumbered assets, could you please describe what that pool consists of? I mean, when I look at the balance sheet and make an estimation myself, I come up with a much lower number somewhere around about $200 million. So found that someone's surprising and just wanted to ask about that.

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Yes, Jade. Hey, it's Doug again. That's a good point. I think that $1.6 billion of unencumbered assets reflects a couple of different categories of loans. There are some currently unfinanced first mortgages and there are also different positions retained security interests relative to our CLO transactions and SASB CMBS transactions and other structured interests in our first mortgage portfolio that make up the balance of that. There's also by the way a significant amount of cash on the balance sheet that's not included in that number, but it's also part of our unencumbered asset package, so to speak. If you think about it from the perspective of the subordinate and corporate debt in our capital structure.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Stephen Laws. Please go ahead. You’re live in the call.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. To follow-up on Steve Delaney’s comments, appreciate the comments around the repayments and the slowdown there. Can you talk about the unfunded commitments a little bit? The expected drawdown on that? And then how you expect that to be on a net basis relative to the repayments?

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Hey Stephen. This is Steve. Historically, our repayments – the impact of our repayments is far exceeded the equity requirements associated with our future fundings. The future fundings are connected to loan, so we've previously made that are very strong assets like all the others in our portfolio. And we fund the future fundings related to the progress of construction. But a big component of is relates to good news. So as properties realized additional leasing, we covered the cost of leasing commissions and tenant improvements. And so a lot of the future funding is value adds that increases the value of the underlying real estate and improves our loan to value ratio.The magnitude of the future fundings is well handled by our liquidity, both our existing liquidity and the repayments that we would reasonably expect to get over time. And also any alternative sources of liquidity that we might feel compelled to tap in any kind of an environment where perhaps repayments are slowed relative to historic levels, but we feel very good about our ability to meet those. And also, again, the impact of those advances tends to be very positive on the real estate.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Great. Appreciate the color on that. And as a follow-up, any additional disclosure or comments you can provide around the LIBOR floors? I think at quarter end LIBOR – since quarter end LIBOR is down around 60 basis points, I believe. So where should we think about a weighted average LIBOR floor? How do we think about the impact or benefit of those floors they’ve been realized in the last month?

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Hey, it's Doug. I'll take that one. I think the important point to consider in thinking about those LIBOR floors and there is – they are significantly in the money and did contribute significantly to our earnings in the first quarter. They'll contribute more significantly in the second quarter given where LIBOR is today.But the important point to keep in mind there is that it's not the weighted average strike price of the floors that matters so much, but the difference between those strike prices and the corresponding floors or absence of floors in our financing. So we're able to lever the benefit of that income into our bottom line, and we do expect it to be a continued significant contributor to our core earnings on a go-forward basis.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Great. I appreciate the update. Everyone take care.

Douglas Armer

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from George Bahamondes. Please proceed. You’re live in the call.

George Bahamondes

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Are you able to give us a sense of how many borrowers are [indiscernible] percentage of the portfolio that has asked for interest deferral forbearance to other loan modifications?

Katharine Keenan

Analyst

George, to address that directly of our overall portfolio, we've got 20 loans that we're currently talking about various types of modifications, but less than half of that is around interest deferral. And I think the important point to keep in mind as we mentioned earlier, we are talking about interest deferral, we're not talking about interest relief and we're also pairing those conversations with additional equity coming into the deals that are most impacted by COVID. We view that overall as a positive because it increases our level of commitment of our sponsors, which is already quite substantial to these assets, but continues to increase it over time and reflects their desire to continue to support the assets.

George Bahamondes

Analyst

Great. Thank you for that color Katie. And just to follow-up on prepared remarks, you had referenced a repayment amount for the month of April. Can you just repeat that number?

Anthony Marone

Analyst

Sure. It was $178 million.

George Bahamondes

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of [indiscernible]. Please proceed. You’re live in the call.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. In light of the challenging backdrop and wanting to increase liquidity, could you remind us of the dividend policy since dividend coverage relative to core earnings has tightened?

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Sure. I would just say generally that delivering income to shareholders is always a top priority for us. We just paid the Q1 dividend. It's only been – about two weeks ago. And after that payment, we still had over $800 million of liquidity. And I think the next dividend discussion that we'll have with the Board will be in June regarding the Q2 dividend, and we will make a determination based upon the facts and circumstances at the time. But our dividend policy and our goals remain that it's a very significant priority and objective for us to continue to provide income to shareholders that hasn't changed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then my follow-up is, should we continue to expect management fees to be paid in stock?

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

I think there will be a quarter-by-quarter decision on the part of Blackstone. The great gesture of support and alignment by Blackstone to agree to take its fees and stock rather than in cash. Nice contribution to our liquidity, but more of a statement of alignment and commitment to the BXMT business. It's something that we'll discuss with Blackstone in future quarters, and we'll take it quarter-by-quarter. But I think – again, I think what you should take away from that is just the important and significant statement that Blackstone has made in terms of their belief and their commitment to be excellent team.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Stephen Plavin

Analyst

Thanks for your question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much for your questions everyone, and now I would like to hand the call back to Weston Tucker for closing remarks.

Weston Tucker

Analyst

Great. Thanks everyone for joining us this morning. And please reach out to me after the call with any follow-ups.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much everyone. That concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect. Thank you for joining and enjoy the rest of your day.