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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 7, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Hello, this is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome to the Brookfield Residential Properties conference call and webcast to present the company's 2013 second quarter results to shareholders. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Alan Norris, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, Mr. Norris.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you very much. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us today for Brookfield Residential's second quarter conference call. On the call today, I will provide some comments about the current market conditions, and we'll highlight some of our accomplishments this quarter and provide our outlook going forward. With me today is Craig Laurie, our Chief Financial Officer, who will discuss our financial and operational results. I would at this remind you that in responding to questions and in talking about new initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we will make forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results may differ materially. For further information, I would encourage investors to review the corporate profile on our website. We achieved solid financial performance in the second quarter and first 6 months of 2013, with revenue and net income results continuing to build. Importantly, our outlook for the balance of the year points to even stronger performance in the second half of the year. Our backlog value at the end of the second quarter was up 38% from the same period in 2012, reflecting the continued improvement in the U.S. housing market. We believe that this improvement, coupled with the delay in closing several transactional items from Q2 to Q3, will result in the second half and full year of 2013 being significantly stronger than in 2012. Our Canadian markets are performing at levels similar to last year as we anticipated. Oil prices in Alberta remain in the $100-per-barrel range and future capital projects in Northern Alberta remain on track, which will require an ongoing need for more skilled workers to move to the province, thereby, further stimulating the housing market. In regards to the recent flooding that happened in Calgary,…

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you, Alan, and good morning, everyone. On the capital front, the second quarter was another very active quarter. We successfully raised to a private placement offering of $500 million of unsecured senior notes due in 2022 with an interest rate of 6.125%. The net proceeds were used to repay approximately $264 million of project level U.S. debt and with the remainder added as cash to the balance sheet. The transaction also extended the maturity of our debt and simplified our capital structure. On August 2, 2013, the company finalized a new U.S. revolving credit facility with 6 major financial institutions. The credit facility allows borrowings in an aggregate of up to $250 million. Since Brookfield Residential launched as a merged company on March 31, 2011, we have raised $1.1 billion of unsecured senior notes, issued $233 million of common shares and added an additional $250 million of liquidity into the revolving credit facility. These steps taken to enhance liquidity placed the company in a great position to continue to participate in opportunities as the U.S. housing market recovers. Our financial results in the second quarter improved over the same period last year. Net income attributable to Brookfield Residential is $24 million or $0.21 per diluted share for the 3 months ended June 30, 2013, and $29 million or $0.24 per diluted share for the 6 months ended June 30, 2013. These increases of $2 million and $7 million, respectively, when compared to the same periods in 2012 are primarily the result of increased gross margin from higher house sales, combined with a decrease in income tax expense, which was partially offset by higher sales and marketing cost and general and administrative expense. Gross margin for the 3 months ended -- for the 3 and 6 months ended June 30,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question today is from Sam McGovern with Crédit Suisse.

Samuel McGovern

Analyst

So I was hoping you guys could talk a little bit about the rising interest rate environment or have you guys seen much of an impact on the U.S. operations there? How much of that really impacted you or how much do you expect it to impact...

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Sorry, I just missed you at the end there, Sam. But basically, just asking about volatility of the interest rates as that affects our customers?

Samuel McGovern

Analyst

Yes, that's correct.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yes, we haven't really seen an appreciable change or a drop off with respect to that at this point in time. I mean, typically, in any time when you get some volatility, it does pull people off the fence as we all know. But generally speaking, we still think there's a ways to go on the affordability, albeit it does -- it's a start of a movement on interest rates without question, but how long it takes, who knows? But nothing appreciable in our operations at this point.

Samuel McGovern

Analyst

Got it. And then you talked a little bit about rising prices. I mean, are you guys still finding attractive opportunities when you guys look at purchasing land or are you finding that the IRR projections are declining a little bit as prices rise?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think from a U.S. perspective, it's Alan here obviously, from a U.S. perspective, I think still at the finished lot stage and it's very challenging to do things without grinding away on IRR or -- because we do believe others are building in escalation and we're not looking to that process. I would say that further back in the supply chain, there's still opportunities. So further back in the finished lot stage, whether it be raw, entitled or partially finished or going back even on an unentitled obviously, which there's very few people playing on that side of the market.

Samuel McGovern

Analyst

Got it. And I know you guys entered the Phoenix market. Are there other regions that you're looking at? And to the extent you do move into other regions, do you think joint ventures are the way you guys would approach it or would you just go and sort of extend your operations fully into the markets?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yes, I mean, I think the joint venture was a perfect opportunity just because of the strong partner that we have in Phoenix. They've been there for over 30 years. So it doesn't have to be through JVs going into new markets, but that was a good opportunity to enter that market with such a strong partner. We think we can bring equal value to that venture because of our experience in mixed-use developments. So I think if we're looking at other markets, we don't necessarily have to -- I mean, you'd probably be looking at it more from an acquisition company-wise, if you were doing something as opposed to piecemeal. But we've still got lots of opportunities in our existing markets right now, which we think we can maximize as we go forward.

Samuel McGovern

Analyst

Got it. And just on -- just on the housekeeping side. What was liquidity -- total liquidity at quarter end? And what would it be today with the new revolver in place?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think we're sitting roughly with unused lines, Craig should be speaking to this. But I think right now, we're sitting close to $900 million. Is that right, Craig?

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yes. We're -- so we also had the $250 million on August 2, and so that would be the big differential. That's about $950 million, including cash on the balance sheet, undrawn lines, both in Canada and the U.S.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Adam Rudiger of Wells Fargo Securities.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I want to follow up on some of your comments on timing. I understand why maybe there's some timing issues in Calgary, but you mentioned Ontario. What was the timing issues there? And then back to Calgary for a second, do you think there was a order impact in late June in Calgary?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

So sorry, going on Ontario stuff, I think really, somewhat is really just some timing. We also had some small parcel sales that we're planning in Q2, which did not occur and just some drag. I mean, our absorptions are going to be -- closings are going to be higher in Ontario this year overall, we think, Adam. And there's really just -- it just got dragged a little bit with some later entitlements as to when we got on the ground and got the permits to start building the homes. But all in all, it should all catch up by year end. So we've got no concerns with respect to where we anticipated the year to be. And with respect to Calgary, we did slide a few things just because of some -- I don’t want to -- there was a few flood-related things, but just generally a few things slid just on some other initiatives. People were delayed on getting permits on some parcel sales, some funding and some things slid into July versus June. So it's nothing we should be concerned about from an overall point of view. But it does further back-end load our numbers, which are already back-end loaded as we all know.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. And on the Alberta 216-acre land sale, if I back into that, it sounds like it was a low-20s gross margin. I was just curious why that was so far below other Alberta land deals. And as it relates to your guidance, is that in that bucket of onetime land sales or is that included in what you talked about in lot sales?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I'll just touch on the background on the 216, and then Craig will touch on the margins. But I mean, what we were doing, we were selling off to several parties some future lands that we wanted some alignment with respect to going forward. So it was a piece that still requires entitlement. And that's why there is still -- it's a lower margin as opposed to coming all the way through to a finished-lot stage. And so that's the reason why it's a lower margin. But we think from an alignment point of view, it made sense to align these properties with us for the 650. The overall community is a 650-acre community. And we get alignment on all of it here with some partners going forward. So it's a very positive business development. And I'll let Craig touch quickly from a margin point of view, and also just as to the 216 included -- I mean, not included in the limited guidance number.

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Yes. So Adam, just to your point, it would be outside of the operational guidance that I referenced.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Then last question. I recognize you haven't seen a real immediate impact yet from rising rates, but as you -- as we move through the summer and, let's say, rates keep rising and -- what are you going to be watching to determine the pace of your land sales this year or next year and the year after? I mean, let's say, but we are -- I think we're seeing somewhat of a -- at least in the eyes of investors, a recalibration of expectations maybe given some rising rates and some comments from some other builders. So I was wondering what it would take you and what you're watching to recalibrate your expectations. And then what the corresponding reaction would be in terms of your appetite for selling land?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think there's a number of factors at play there, Adam. One, as we've said in previous calls, we know that additional supply would be coming on in most of the markets where we do business, which we always believe would flatten out prices somewhat. We are firm believers that the price movement before was not sustainable at the pace it was going at in most of the markets. So increased supply is going to flatten some of that out. Perhaps some nervousness on rates, but everybody's known that rates are going to go up at some point in time. That's not something that the consumer is surprised at. I mean, we continually reevaluate our backlog, the qualifying income that we have for our customers as to what level of sensitivity we could have from a pricing point of view as to whether we -- it kicks people out of the eligible factor for buying homes or whether it keeps them and based on different sensitivities on interest rates. So we have to look at a number of factors. I mean, I'm hopeful that -- we do know that rates will go up. I do believe that they have to be justified by improved economic environment in the overall U.S. marketplace before they go full bore on the tapering discussions or whatever. So I do believe that as rates do get to that point, we’re hopeful that we have a significantly better employment market and genuinely a much more -- a much stronger U.S. economy that comes in combination that couples with higher interest rates. And I think until we get to that point, we'll bobble along on the interest rate side, but nothing substantial until we start to see that solid economic improvement. But that's coming from my perspective, not from anything from an economist perspective. That's my view.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Stephen Kim with Barclays.

Stephen S. Kim

Analyst · Barclays

I wanted to follow up on Adam's question a little bit with respect to how you make decisions as to which communities you're going to activate over the course of the next 12 months or which parcels you may earmark for sale. If you could give us a sense for what sorts of things go into your assessment of which communities, at what kind of price points and what kinds of product, how you make those decisions. Whether those are decisions that are somewhat long-range in nature and have not materially changed over the last 6 to 12 months in light of any kind of market conditions or if there have been some changes. If you could give us some insight into what those changes have been in the marketplace or let's say, rates or anything else, that has influenced your decisions, and how that's basically changed what you're going to be releasing either for sale or for opening for your own use in the next 12 months.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Barclays

Okay, Stephen. Yes, I think the -- we approach it from when we're building within our own communities, we will most definitely look at product segmentation. And when we look at trying to enhance absorptions for all of the lands that we control and own. So we will most definitely look at the wide range of product and then determine where we think -- what we think the appropriate mix is from an end consumer point of view. And then determine how many builders best fit that underlying absorption, whether it be 2 builders or 3 builders. And then who we think is best suited to build the various products. And we can move between product types. I mean, in Canada, we tend to look at more on the affordable end. And therefore, we don't dabble much in the move up in the estate product. So we tend to take that segment of the marketplace. I would say our U.S. operations are a bit more flexible with respect to the products that they are willing -- that we are willing to build versus some of our competitors in the homebuilding side. So we try and come out with a complementary mix. If somebody really is -- covets a certain product segment, and they're willing to, shall I say, overpay for it, then we will sell off that tranche of lots to them, and then we will build the other product type for instance. So we try and complement one another, so we're not there out cannibalizing. And we'll try and fit the product type with the builder and make it feel that, that's appropriate, while making sure that we build product that is appropriate for us as well.

Stephen S. Kim

Analyst · Barclays

Well, I mean, that makes a lot of sense, and it's great to see that you're able to have that flexibility. In light of what you've seen over the course of the last 6 to 12 months in the marketplace, have you seen an increased desire on the part of your peer builders out there that you're happy to work within your communities, have you seen an increased desire on their part to go after more of the move up product segment, thereby, allowing or causing you to maybe emphasize more of an entry-level focus over the next 12 months or not?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Barclays

No, I -- that's. I could probably get back to you in specifics. I don't have the detailed knowledge, but the fact, I have not been made aware of that, not to say that's not happening in some of our markets, but it's not something that is rising that I'm aware of specifically. I think most of them are reasonably flexible quite honestly as to what they are looking for, but as it pertains to us, I haven't noticed anything material on that front.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Alex Avery with CIBC.

Alex Avery

Analyst · CIBC

Just along the same lines, I guess, from a strategy perspective. In your letter to shareholders, you noted that your strategy in a rising market includes not pre-selling lots and houses. Am I right that, that's I guess a somewhat minor shift in your strategy over the last perhaps 1 year, 1.5 years?

Alan Norris

Analyst · CIBC

In the -- we will sell off some bulk sales in Canada to give phases to different people, Alex. In the U.S., we're hesitant to get -- I mean, we might sell off x number of lots to a builder, but really just to give them production for the next 6 to 12 months, what we won't do is sell them 2 years’ or 3 years’ worth of lots because we believe that there is enough upside on that, that it doesn't make any sense for us to share that upside with that builder. We may sell them another x number of lots the following year and the year after, but we won't be contacted to do that. That would just be based on pricing at that point in time. So I would say that, all markets are a little bit different. We think price has flattened and you might sell off some. If other people have a different view, then they might bulk it that way, and not want to buy it. But if we think that prices still have room to move, then we would not be going that long with respect to preselling. And likewise, on the -- we've got to be careful on the housing side as well, just to make sure because we know that there will -- there continues to be cost pressure on the various components from a homebuilding point of view. And we can't get too far ahead of ourselves on that front. But that's the same as everybody else.

Alex Avery

Analyst · CIBC

And so I guess your primary business being land and sort of your side job being homebuilding, I guess, this sort of strategic nuance is really just to say that, I guess, the homebuilding business is under pressure from cost inflation?

Alan Norris

Analyst · CIBC

Yes, that's one thing. But I mean, I think all we're really trying to say is, we're trying to match lot sales with what we think the underlying absorption is in those areas and not try and give too much, too many lots to that group, where they can participate higher. If we think that the absorption is stronger, we will sell more lots. It's just as simple as that. So we just have to look at the supply/demand in the quadrants where we have our communities. And we will try and match up so that the builder has a decent runway, but not giving them enough runway that it's 2 to 3 years’ worth. Because many times, they will not pay for all of that upfront. There will be some degree of a discount. And Canada will be given up -- the upside on the pricing as well, which we are just not prepared to share at this point. As the market starts to mature, and we think we'll be getting to that point over the next period of time, over the next year or so, then it becomes a much more normalized level as to how we deal with lot sales, et cetera. This one is a rising market in most of our areas, and we just want to be not giving the farm away, shall we say.

Alex Avery

Analyst · CIBC

So when you, I guess, note that you've increased the number of communities that are active, that doesn't necessarily mean that, I guess, the floodgates are open in terms of your willingness to sell the lots and houses?

Alan Norris

Analyst · CIBC

Most of the community openings are on a housing basis. With obviously, some of those being our own communities, as well as subsets of existing communities. So that's the concept. We think it's a gradual movement as we go forward. And we're comfortable participating and going along the way. And I think we'll see more and more towards the latter half of '13 and more so into '14 and '15. We're gearing ourselves up to take advantage because we think that supply/demand imbalance corrects itself somewhat. And we get to a more normalized situation. Again, talking primarily from a U.S. perspective.

Alex Avery

Analyst · CIBC

So I guess just in terms of the big drivers for your business, price and volumes. So it seems like you're waiting for higher price and then later this year, next year, the volume is going to pick up?

Alan Norris

Analyst · CIBC

Yes, I think we're trying to make sure we create the right value statement within the communities where we're going back in and opening up some other small sets within the communities. And I think we will prove that value. And then we'll be in a position to then take that value statement. And then transfer -- translate it into absorptions. That's exactly right.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Andrew Berg of Post Advisory Group.

Andrew Berg

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

I think you may have answered a couple of my math. Just to confirm, on the $250 million facility you did subsequent to the end of the quarter, that's incremental capacity? That's not replacing any other credit facility, correct?

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

This is Craig. That is correct.

Andrew Berg

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Okay. And then, Craig, you had talked about a timing shift, I just didn't get that entirely. Can you go back over that please for me in terms of orders that you would have expected this quarter that are getting pushed into the third?

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

I think that was Alan. You talked on some of the Alberta closings that moved from Q2 to Q3.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Yes, they were just -- we just did a few things that slid from Q2 to Q3. I mean, I'm not blaming it all from a flood point of view, but we had certain off of that, plus a few other things where we just couldn't get the documentation or titles transferred and a few deals done from a funding point of view just because of some issues in Alberta at the end of the quarter. That's all. But all of that happened in July, and we don't think there's much of an impact on the overall year. It was just a timing between quarters. That's all.

Andrew Berg

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

And how much was that? I'm sorry.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

We had a number of lots in Calgary, 35 lots or so, plus some multi-sites, et cetera, and another parcel sale. All of which slid from Q2 to Q3 that we'd originally anticipated.

Andrew Berg

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Can you quantify the sales impact shift?

Alan Norris

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Probably about $30 million or something. I'm just trying to think.

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Thereabout.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Yes.

Andrew Berg

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

Ballpark?

Craig J. Laurie

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

We don't have those numbers with us, Andrew, but...

Alan Norris

Analyst · Post Advisory Group

We can get back to you on that, Andrew, but I'm guessing it's $25 million, $30 million or something just...

Operator

Operator

There are no more questions at this time. I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Norris.

Alan Norris

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you very much, operator. Again, thank you, everyone, for participating on our call today. I look forward to chatting with many of you between now and the next call, and thanks for your support of our company. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating. Have a pleasant day.