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BrightView Holdings, Inc. (BV)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 17, 2021

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Operator

Operator

00:06 Hello and welcome to the BrightView Fiscal Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Juan and I will be coordinating your call today. [Operator Instructions] 00:24 I will now hand over to your host John Shave, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. John, please go ahead.

John Shave

Analyst

00:34 Thank you, operator. Good morning. Before we begin, I'd like to remind listeners that some of the comments made today including responses to questions and information reflected on the presentation slides are forward-looking and actual results may differ materially from those projected. 00:49 Please refer to the company's SEC filings for more detail on the risks and uncertainties that could impact the company's future operating results and financial condition. Comments made today will also include a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in today's press release. 01:10 Disclaimers on forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures apply both to today's prepared remarks as well as the Q&A. For context, BrightView is the leading and largest provider of commercial landscaping services in the United States with annual revenues over two point five billion dollars and seven times our next largest competitor. Together with our legacy companies, BrightView has been in operation for more than eighty years and our field leadership team has an average tenure of more than fourteen years. 01:37 We provide commercial landscaping services, ranging from landscape maintenance enhancements to tree care and landscape development. We operate through an integrated national service model, which delivers services at the local level by combining our network with more than two hundred and eighty maintenance and development branches with a Qualified Service Partner Network. 01:56 Our branch delivery model underpins our position as the single source end-to-end provider to a diverse customer base the National, regional and local levels, which we believe represents a significant competitive advantage. We also believe our customers understand the financial and reputational risks associated with inadequate landscape maintenance and consider our services to be essential and non-discretionary. 02:20 I will now turn the call over to BrightView's CEO, Andrew Masterman.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

02:26 Thank you, John, and thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. It is remarkable to consider that we're officially closing our Brightview’s fiscal year when this announcement on fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty one results. And yet so much of our day-to-day news is still consumed by the COVID pandemic. You told me at this time last year that we would still be talking about COVID and its immense challenges today, I would not have believed you. 02:50 And yet, the BrightView team has amazed me every day with their resilience and fortitude. At the end of the day, we are a people business, and I could not be prouder of every single one of my more than twenty thousand BrightView colleagues, who have continued to show up and serve our customers with excellence. Don’t get me wrong, it is certainly not been easy and there have been many challenges. 03:14 As I mentioned, during our Investor Day back in September, BrightView is built on an eight year legacy of providing best-in-class landscape and other services to customers across the country. Just as our predecessor companies persevered through multiple macroeconomic disruptions, while continuing to deliver significant value to their owners, so will BrightView. 03:37 Moving to slide four, as I will discuss in more detail in a moment, despite the difficulties of twenty twenty one, the BrightView team has accomplished so much while driving strong operational and financial results. We continue to invest in our people and our technology, and we completed eight acquisitions adding close to one hundred and sixty million dollars of annual revenue. Despite labor shortages, our HR team recruited over five thousand new employees. We committed to carbon neutrality by twenty thirty five and so much more. 04:13 While investing…

John Feenan

Analyst

21:57 Thank you, Andrew, and good morning to everyone. I'm pleased with the strong results we delivered in our fourth quarter and during fiscal twenty twenty one. We remain focused on our key investment pillars of organic growth, margin enhancement over time, mergers and acquisitions, and cash generation. We built the foundation and strategy to deliver consistent land organic growth quarter-after-quarter. 22:24 In Q2 of this year, we realized ten percent plus of snow contract growth and then delivered eleven point seven percent and nine point two percent of the land organic growth in the third and fourth quarters of fiscal twenty twenty one. This resulted in full year Maintenance Land organic growth of three point seven percent. More importantly, we are well positioned to continue this into fiscal twenty twenty two and beyond. 22:52 In addition, we have a very consistent and resilient free cash flow generation model, which as I discussed at Investor Day is a key driver of value for BrightView. Since fiscal twenty eighteen, we have delivered approximately zero point five billion dollars of free cash flow and have maintained a steady cash conversion ratio of approximately eighty percent. The key is deploying capital prudently and getting accretive returns. We will continue to deploy our capital for accretive M&A and to deleverage our balance sheet. 23:24 With that, let me provide a snapshot of our fourth quarter results. Moving to slide fourteen. Fourth fiscal quarter twenty twenty one revenue for the company increased ten point eight percent to six hundred and seventy three point seven million dollars in the current quarter, from six hundred and eight point one million dollars in the prior year. Maintenance revenues of five hundred and four point five million dollars for the three months ended September thirty increased by sixty three…

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

32:37 Thank you, John. In summary, here are the key takeaways on slide twenty two. First, in the market, BrightView is the number one player in a seventy billion dollars fragmented market. As landscapers, we manage living assets resulting in a resilient market. Additionally, we continue to see signs in all Maintenance verticals, so that the impact of the pandemic is subsiding and business is recovering. 33:05 Second, growth, Maintenance Land growth trends continue as our investment in our sales team is driving sustainable organic growth. Today, we have over two hundred sales leaders and business developers to drive new business opportunities through strategic partnerships at both the national and local levels, combined with our omni-channel approach to digital marketing, we have improved our retention modestly and increased our sales close rates, while growing our sales pipeline in all markets. 33:36 Third, technology. We continue to deploy best-in-class customer engagement and operational management solutions, our technology is successfully enhancing productivity, profitability and client engagement. We recently kicked off a next generation investment in BrightView Connect 2.0, which will deliver a highly requested enhancements for our customers in twenty twenty two. Our investment in BrightView Connect 2.0 and other technological capabilities such as QSA 2.0 will continue to differentiate BrightView’s digital capabilities with new features and improve the customer experience and retention. 34:14 Fourth, sales and marketing. In addition to technological enhancements, we continue to grow and invest in our sales organization and expand the use and effectiveness of our sales tools. The result is increased efficiencies while positioning us to continue to deliver profitable growth. This improved productivity should lessen the need to expand salesforce at the same rates as the last several years. Our sales and marketing strategies and structure are formula for long term success. 34:43 Fifth, M&A.…

Operator

Operator

36:42 [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from George Tong from Goldman Sachs. Please, George, your line is now open.

George Tong

Analyst

37:05 Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Wage inflation has stepped up to seven percent from historical levels of four percent. You mentioned balancing the scope of work with clients to adapt. How much do you expect pricing to increase by an absolute basis in fiscal twenty twenty two in response to the higher wage inflation? And when would you expect the pricing increases to balance or perfectly offset the Expect pricing increases to balance or perfectly offset to the wage increases and input cost increases overall?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

37:35 Yeah. Good morning, George. As we look forward, we're beginning our pricing discussions with the customers. So within landscaping really those discussions come right now, it's November, December, October all the way through, through frankly in early May that we’re talking with all our customers. So the degree that which we get the pricing in our actual top line versus our scope reductions that’s something that we're going to be in a constant conversation with our customers. Really understanding the dynamics they have while also acknowledging the pressures that we have within the labor and materials world. So, I really don't know exactly, I will say that this year, we will probably see at least one percent to two percent on the revenue side somewhere in that range, where we have typically not seen that in the past with the scope reductions, or scope adjustments. But we really won't be able to have a definitive kind of level of top line impact that that will have until we get out of that kind of pricing negotiations, and contract renewals that occur through the beginning of May.

George Tong

Analyst

38:42 Okay. Got it. That’s helpful. And then with respect to your guidance for fiscal 1Q, you're pointing to organic revenue growth in the maintenance business of three percent to four percent The prior year comps are relatively easy, if you look at the rate of declines are. Are there any factors that are currently preventing the growth in fiscal 1Q even higher than what you're guiding to?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

39:07 It really comes down to how much ancillary revenue gets pull through. We're still -- we're only in the early parts of November right now and also seasonally it can be a more challenging year because the environment, the weather gets a little colder. And so we still have a little less pull through ancillary that we typically have. But really that variance comes through at that level. And yes, there is potential at that three percent to four percent delay that I said is more than three percent to four percent it's just as a little too early to tell.

George Tong

Analyst

39:42 Got it. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

39:45 Thank you. Our next question comes from Andy Wittmann from Baird. Andy please your line is now open.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

39:53 Yeah. Great. Sorry. I'm just thinking here, I've got more than two questions. I'm trying to figure out which ones I want to do. All right. So, I guess well, let's talk about ancillary. Can you talk about what the performance on ancillary in the quarter was compared to pre-COVID levels? On other words, I'm just trying to get a better sense of how far back that is on a run rate basis today and how much further is to go tomorrow?

John Feenan

Analyst

40:24 Yeah, Andrew. Andy, good morning. This is John. When you look at the detail between both contract and ancillary in the fourth quarter versus the same period of twenty nineteen. We're ahead on the contract side modestly by about one percent to two percent. And on the ancillary we are still slightly behind where we were in the fourth quarter, but we're still positive net when you combine both ancillary and contracts for the quarter versus twenty nineteen. So good results on the contract side and getting very close on the ancillary side.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

41:07 Got it. Okay. For my follow-up, I wanted to kind of talk about some of reconciling items in free cash flow, in particular, the COVID cost that you called out in the quarter as well as the IT integration costs. COVID is kind of subsiding yet your number, the cost that you are excluding is still relatively high in fact it's a little bit higher. So, I wanted to understand if there is something in there that was one time-ish or what the expectation was on a go forward basis for those costs in twenty two? Then similarly with the IT cost, I mean, you guys have been running three million dollars to four million dollars for a quarter almost every quarter for two years. And so, I was just wondering when the expectation for the IT spend to reduce substantially or go away is going to occur? Thank you.

John Feenan

Analyst

42:01 Yes. Sure. Andy, again, this is John. The breakout of the non-recurring in the fourth quarter about half of that is business transformation and integration costs. The other half is COVID. We saw a slight uptick in quarter driven by the Delta variant in the quarter. Like all companies we don't know when that's going to subside, but we would expect that to subside on a quarterly basis as we get into fiscal twenty twenty two. 42:34 On the IT and infrastructure there is several technology initiatives that we have discussed among them continued another version of our ERP going to two point zero. The salesforce and CRM, but we expect those like COVID to certainly slow down as we head into twenty twenty two.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

42:53 Andy, I'll make one comment the Coronavirus impact. And that's the fact that we continue to quarantine anybody in the company who has exposure so, let’s say anyone who has the Coronavirus and that's the private predominant expense we have there. We didn't see slowing. We didn't see a slowdown. In fact, we saw an increase in our fiscal Q4 with case load we have. We are seeing a reduction now as we see some time in November coming down, but it actually increased pretty significantly in the July through December time period and that's what really drove that cost.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

43:33 Got it. Okay.

Operator

Operator

43:36 Thank you. And our next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum from Stifel. Please Shlomo your line is now open.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

43:44 Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. You mentioned that you're looking for maybe potentially other ways to return capital to investors. Do you mind expanding on that? Would you guys be doing the share buyback? Would you be doing introducing a dividend, maybe putting in a variable dividend or anything depending on how snow comes out during in the year, or maybe you can to expand on that?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

44:09 Yeah. Sure, Shlomo. That was a comment that really carries off but we invest to talk about at Investor Day, which said that going forward, depending on where we feel the share price trades that we would possibly enter into some form share buyback. We have not executed that yet, but we want to continue to be available to make that decision if we deem the best for the company. So that's really what that relates to.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

44:40 Okay. And then how much in total do you plan to spend on your ESG initiatives in fiscal year twenty two that are going into the CapEx number?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

44:52 Yeah. When you talk about what fiscal twenty two, it will impact, it really comes down to some of the incremental electric vehicles with the incremental cost that is payable to electric vehicles, which over five hundred vehicles that really is the big number, right? So we're talking about five hundred vehicles at most somewhere between five thousand dollars premium to seven thousand dollars premium per vehicle. So that's kind of the total impact. The brand that we are intending to outfit in twenty twenty two that's going to be consumer in the normal CapEx.

John Feenan

Analyst

45:28 And Shlomo, good morning, this is John. I would add that we have a lot of opportunity in the handheld the two cycles and that's going to be like for like essentially. There's not a lot of cost differentiation today between the gas and electric handheld and we get that’s fertile territory for us to get traction on ESG.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

45:49 Is there any difference in the functionality of the two cycles? I mean why didn’t you do it beforehand? Like what's your trade off here?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

45:59 Really what's happened that I'd say in the last couple of years, you are seeing increased battery performance of the two cycles, which are allowing us to actually have duty cycles that last longer. And that's been really the limited flow – the limiting factor. If you think a blower that might have a thirty minute to forty five minute battery cycle in the past, now is that cascades toward a couple of hours with backpacks even extending into three hours. It really allows two or three changes a day rather than eight a day. And that really that battery life and the technological advancements that are coming in. That's really what's driving the ability to move forward. And we believe those technological advancements will continue over next several years allowing us to achieve our goals.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

46:50 Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

46:52 Thank you. Our next question comes from Tim Mulrooney from William Blair. Please Tim, your line is now open.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

47:01 Andrew, John, good morning.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

47:03 Good morning.

John Feenan

Analyst

47:04 Good morning, Tim.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

47:07 So, it looks like EBITDA margins are expected to step down in the first quarter kind of at a similar rate, that’s what we saw in the fourth quarter here. But based on all the mitigation actions in your prepared remarks, when would you kind of expect that margin headwind to the tailwinds? Is that a back half of twenty two thing, in line with the improvement in your development business? Or is it more of a twenty twenty three expectation at this point?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

47:36 Yes, Tim, the real -- the first and the largest driver is really the development side of business. And to be clear with that is, is when we entered into contracts, let's say about nine months ago, there were certain material costs that are fixed in those contracts. With the inflationary pressures that have come in most of what the impact in the development business is that, the costs that we're buying materials that are significantly higher. Now so those contracts were priced again, maybe nine months ago. So what we're seeing is and we look at our bookings, we're quite booked right now here in Q1 and Q2 and even partially into Q3 or significantly I should say, the Q3, with those kinds of contracts with those other materials. So as we are now booking into our Q3 and Q4 with more current costing and current contract structure we believe them, we'll see the turnaround in the Development segment as well as in the business because of that as we get into Q3 and more so into Q4 and then forward after that.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

48:43 Yes. That's really clear and really helpful. I appreciate you walking us through that in detail, that'll will help I'm sure all of us model it out. My second question is on your branch to the future, I'm just curious how you think about the unit economics, are the branch of the future relative to your current branches with ninety percent fuel reduction, fifty percent reduction in maintenance costs and other energy savings with those solar panels. I would really think the unit level economics and return profile for a branch would look really different. But I'm curious how you think that could impact your thirteen percent long term margin outlook?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

49:31 Yes. Great questions Tim and actually, we're very optimistic about the long term economics, because reality is not only is fuel one of our major inputs. As we move away from fuel that will be significantly reduced, frankly the volatility around fuel prices also reduced. So we believe the investments in the branch in the future from a fuel perspective alone will drive significant return on investment, which will improve our overall margins. Now the thing is that's not going to come real -- it doesn't come to tomorrow because the reality is most of our trucks in a short term are heavy duty vehicles and the ability of electric fuels to tow trailers and to carry our heavier equipment around really the technology isn’t there in twenty twenty two. But we believe and after talking with multiple heavy duty truckload Ford and the General Motors or those types of folks, we believe as we get into the second half of the decade, that's going to really start becoming technology, which is available and usable for us and we'll start seeing that nice return, I think as we move into that period.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

50:42 Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

50:44 Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Labick from CJS Securities. Please Bob, your line is now open.

Brendan Popson

Analyst

50:52 Hi good morning. This is Brendan on for Bob. Just wanted to ask about the labor issue and your contracts, how is it impacting your contract negotiation up to now? And could you dive into the ten to fifteen day shortened pricing commitment, kind of give us more detail on what that means versus your historical norm?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

51:20 Yeah. Regarding to the ten to fifteen day pricing cycle, historically, we have contracts similar to what we've said earlier about nine months, we would quote these certain price of materials and because over the last four to five years, we had almost no inflation of those materials. We actually ended up having just regular performance off that. With the inflationary pressures now, we've been able to really shrink that up and this is all in the development segment this is happening. So we shrinked it up to ten to fifteen days so that someone can't sit on a quote for three months or six months come back to us and says here's what you put into your bid we'll go with it. We're saying you can only come back to us within a week or two weeks. If you come back with after that period the pricing then the quotes is it good anymore and we will need to redo that quote. So, it's really been a complete change, coupled with the fact that as we then win those contracts, we then take those material levels that are in those bids and we match those with POs we send it to our suppliers.

Brendan Popson

Analyst

52:26 Great. And then following up on that, obviously, you talked to a lot of companies with your M&A pipeline. What are you hearing from them about pricing or they -- are some of those smaller guys getting squeezed. So what are you hearing across the industry as everyone is renegotiating contracts and looking at pricing?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

52:47 Yes. That's good insight into what's happening out there in the marketplace. There are unquestionably several players out there that we've actually talked with who are struggling significantly on the pricing side of things, especially with the smaller players, if you're quite a smaller player, you need to be able negotiate and get the additional price and they're having deal that living through this cycle, well they're in their contract period. So it's put some stress on the industry and the industry itself knows that this kind of pricing activity that's going to be going on is something that the customers are going to need to expect.

Brendan Popson

Analyst

53:29 Great.

Operator

Operator

53:30 Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman from JPMorgan. Please Andrew, your line is now open.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst

53:37 Hi, Andrew and John. Two questions. The first one have to do with seasonality on the maintenance side. So after the first quarter, fiscal quarter that you just guided for, help us think about just kind of sequential organic revenue growth for maintenance, should we expect kind of normal seasonality building loss that first quarter base, or do you expect maybe better than normal seasonality because there's still some rebounding nature to the Maintenance business. And I have a second question.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

54:10 I think when you look at overall growth in the Maintenance segment that the things that we've invested in our sales team will continue to drive contract growth. What the seasonality will be is, how much the ancillary growth really pulls through. So the fact that we may have base levels of growth in our seasonal markets. It's relatively low. And so we don't have the extra push that we have in the ancillary bucket. So, I would say that well, in the winter months in the Q1 -- our Q1 and Q2 we'll have a little tempered seasonal growth as we take out really a good portion of the contract maintenance in those segments, and then you would expect to see little higher than average growth happening in the Q3 and Q4.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst

55:00 Yes. And John, think about the revenue that's still being dragged residually by COVID both on the maintenance and the development side. When that revenue comes back, do you have a sense of the incremental margins on that rebounding revenue?

John Feenan

Analyst

55:18 Yeah. We are working very hard Andy on the maintenance side I gave that measurement of our results in fourth quarter versus twenty nineteen. And so we're encouraged by that, that thirty basis point increment that we saw this quarter in maintenance versus fourth quarter of twenty nineteen is very encouraging. We are moving aggressively on pricing. We're managing our labor aggressively, fortunate for us on that part of the business, the material component of our P&L is less spent on the development side. So less of a headwind there. And so where we're encouraged really hard in the quarter that this coming quarter that Q1 that you put to see if we can have that continued incremental improvement because of the impact of snow, but we are encouraged by what we're seeing, we're certainly confident that we can get that in the back half of the year.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

56:21 And when you talk about margin Andrew, what you see is, in the Q3 and Q4, you'll see the double impact of number one, the pricing initiatives that we're putting in place so that should have a help on margins. And then secondly, well it's not near as much that was here in twenty twenty one, you'll see a slight pick up of the ancillary as that normalizes completely back to pre-COVID levels if it does.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst

56:48 Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

56:51 Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question come from Shlomo Rosenbaum from Stifel. Please Shlomo, your line is now open.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

57:06 Hi. Thank you for me sneaking me back in. I want to clarify something that I didn't catch well in the call. You said something about getting, was it acquisitions in higher growth housing markets? If you wouldn’t mind just clarifying what you're talking about in terms of higher growth housing markets?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

57:24 Yeah, absolutely Shlomo. If you look at three acquisitions that we've done Bay Tree, GTI and WLE in Austin, Las Vegas and frankly, down in Charleston, Atlanta, but also in Charleston, South Carolina. These are really good housing markets. And we typically have had less activity in our Development segment on housing. And with those acquisitions, they have really introduced us into those housing markets, working on new developments for landscaping development in those housing markets. And then also allows us to have a little bit of drag along or pull along with our maintenance contracts at those development projects in those housing developments complete. We’ve seen an interesting segment because again we kind of not put aid as much attention to those housing development markets, and we see taking those examples and actually we've launched an initiative at several new markets that we are starting to see good traction on with the learnings we’ve had from those M&A acquisitions.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

58:24 Well I'm trying to understand are these like condos, so it’s more HOAs, so that what kind of pull through activity is there after there's like if it's just residential homes, under skin and initial landscaping what happens after that?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

58:40 HOA, so what's happened in the industry. Yes, you develop a new Home Owners Association, you have the infrastructure maintenance but also what happens in many of these is the front yards also get maintained in an HOA contract, so at HOA of two or three hundred homes might include within their HOA dues maintaining the front yard to -- in a regular manner, but only dealing with one customer with the HOA. And then let them using HOA Connect BV Connect, which is the service ticket management software we have that allows the actual resident through the HOE to communicate how our performance is doing, it kind of it really lends itself to really push it harder into that segment and we're seeing some really positive initial signs of a couple of new markets of growth.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

59:34 Got it. Okay. And then just wanted to piggy back one of the little questions that was asked earlier, in terms of the COVID costs year-over-year, could you break down that like eight point eight million dollars and just kind of explain what the costs are for like I on the ground, what are you spending the money on?

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

59:55 Well, the biggest part Shlomo is the PTO without a doubt. And as I said in my earlier comments, with the Delta Variant there’s been another resurgence. But when you look at the fourth quarter the biggest chunk without a doubt was PP&E between masks, gloves, sanitizers just because we have so many people in the field in extensive branch network. The other big driver was exactly what I just said PTO and the sick pay for folks. Those are the predominant costs that we've seen and again, those were up slightly versus fourth quarter of last year, but again, when you look at the numbers through the year, we had about seven point five million dollars in the first quarter tapered down in the second quarter slightly under four, under three and the third, but that ramp up again because of the variant. But again, as I said in my comments, we certainly hopeful they go down and we'll see.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

61:05 Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

61:08 We have no further questions. I will now hand it back over to Andrew Masterman for any final remarks.

Andrew Masterman

Analyst

61:19 Thank you, operator. Once again, I want to thank everyone for participating in the call today and for your interest in BrightView. We look forward to speaking with you when we report our first quarter results. Stay safe and be well.

Operator

Operator

61:35 This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines and enjoy the rest of your day.