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Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Mar 5, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Bazaarvoice Fiscal Third Quarter 2014 Financial Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Linda Wells, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Linda Wells

Management

Good afternoon, and welcome to today's conference call to discuss Bazaarvoice's financial results for the third fiscal quarter of 2014 ended January 31, 2014. I'm joined today by Gene Austin, our Chief Executive Officer and President; and Jim Offerdahl, our Chief Financial Officer. Following the remarks from Gene and Jim, we'll have a question-and-answer session. Please note that we are simultaneously webcasting this call on our Investor Relations website at investors.bazaarvoice.com. The earnings release of our results for the third fiscal quarter of 2014 was issued earlier today and is also posted on our Investor Relations website. Please remember that certain statements made during this call, including those concerning the business outlook and guidance, growth plans and opportunities, potential acquisitions, outlook on legal matters, sales execution and our ability to capitalize on our opportunities are all forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are described in our SEC filings, including the Risk Factor section of our Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended April 30, 2013; our Form 10-Q for the second fiscal quarter 2014; and our form S-1 filed with the SEC on July 12, 2012, as well as other documents that we may file with the SEC in the future. Should any of these -- the risks or uncertainties materialize, or should any of our assumptions prove to be incorrect, actual results could differ materially and adversely from those anticipated or implied in these forward-looking statements. In addition, forward-looking statements are based on currently available information and we undertake no duty to update this information. Additional cautionary language regarding these forward-looking statements is further described in today's press release. Finally, some of the numbers that we will discuss during this call will be presented on a non-GAAP basis. Today's press release, together with the accompanying tables, contains the calculations of these non-GAAP financial measures and a full reconciliation between each non-GAAP measure and its corresponding GAAP measure. I would now like to turn the call over the Gene.

Eugene Austin

Management

Thank you, Linda, and thanks to all of you for joining us on today's call. The third quarter was an eventful quarter for Bazaarvoice, as we successfully transitioned to a new CEO and completed another chapter in the lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice. At the same time, I was pleased with the overall progress we made in executing our business as we produced our highest sales quarter of the year, drove strong new client growth, greatly improved our dollar churn and exceeded both our revenue and earnings guidance. Today I will provide you all with the latest update on the DOJ process, as well as review our financial results for the third quarter and highlight the operational improvements we have made across the organization. We were disappointed and frustrated by the court's decision in the DOJ case. However, despite the result, we have transitioned to the remedy stage of the litigation. As you may know, on February 12, the DOJ filed a proposed motion for judgment calling for a wide range of actions, including among other things, a divestiture of the PowerReviews business. Earlier today, we filed our opposition to the DOJ's brief. In terms of next steps, as noted in the court's scheduling order for the remedy phase, the DOJ's reply brief is due by March 12 and a remedy hearing is scheduled for April 2. In light of the potential outcomes discussed in the briefs, we have been in discussions with potential divestiture buyers of PowerReviews and have received significant interest from multiple parties. In the event that we divest the PowerReviews business, we are hopeful that we will quickly be able to reach an agreement on terms acceptable to the potential divestiture buyer, the court and us. At the same time, we are evaluating whether…

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Thank you, Gene, and thank you to everyone who joined the call today. As a reminder, we are on a fiscal year calendar ending April 30. So today, we are reporting results for our third quarter of fiscal 2014, which ended January 31, 2014, and all accounting periods discussed will be fiscal. Unless otherwise noted in my remarks, I will cover our non-GAAP operating results that correlate with adjusted EBITDA as a measure of operating profitability, including discussions of costs, revenue and operating expenses. Investors should refer to our press release for a more complete review of our financial results, including a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP operating results, comparative information to prior periods and key operating metrics. I will first provide commentary on our third quarter 2014 financial performance, and then we'll conclude with our outlook for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2014. As Gene mentioned, we achieved total revenue of $48 million in the third quarter, up 12% year-over-year, exceeding the high end of our guidance range of $46 million to $47 million. We achieved SaaS revenue of $45 million, up 10% year-over-year. Net media revenue was $3 million, up 53% year-over-year on an as-reported basis and 47% on a pro forma basis. As a reminder, our media revenue is quite seasonal, with the majority of revenue achieved during the months of November and December. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was a loss of $1.2 million, a significant improvement from a loss of $5.5 million in the third quarter of last year and better than our guidance range of $2 million to $3 million. As a percentage of total revenue, our total -- our adjusted EBITDA loss continues to improve year-over-year, driven primarily by higher revenues and improved operational efficiencies. Our non-GAAP net loss per…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll go first to Greg Dunham with Goldman Sachs.

Gregory Dunham

Analyst

First off, I want to hit on dollar churn, because that was a source of strength here, relative to the past couple of quarters. You mentioned it on the call. Perhaps, could you expand a little bit on what specifically you're doing to improve dollar churn? And do you feel that you've put the mechanisms in place for that to improve going forward, next quarter and all through FY '15?

Eugene Austin

Management

Greg, the reason why we commented about the strength of dollar churn is not only the improvement that we saw sequentially from Q3, Q2, but we also saw a nice year-over-year improvement from Q3 of last year. So -- and we had a really strong churn result for the third quarter. And really, to -- the reason why we're starting to see improvement is because we've taken a very holistic approach to the client -- a customer's life cycle. It begins in the sales cycle, we're setting great expectations and preparing the customer for how they can make the results superior once they deploy Bazaarvoice. Our implementation teams have revamped the entire implementation process. And on the back end, we are managing customers much better, everything from our methodology, from our client services team, all the way through investments in technology that allow us to see ahead of time. Key metrics within each customer that will alert us that a customer may be going in the wrong direction, if you will, and allow us to go in preemptively and take corrective actions so that they can get back on track. As anyone knows a SaaS business, it's very important to manage clients -- the client churn area proactively. And that's something that we've put in place over the last 9 months. I feel very good about where we are at this point.

Gregory Dunham

Analyst

All right, that's helpful. And then maybe one clarify -- I mean, clarifying factor on the metrics. If I look at the new enterprise client additions, it's a net number of 19. You talked about the 75 launched and you talked about a record -- a number of new clients signed in 3Q. I guess, talk through the puts and takes there. And is the number of new enterprise clients, on a net basis, just not a great leading indicator on the number of signings in that quarter?

Eugene Austin

Management

So the number of launches, less the clients that left us, is the net new number. So what we signed is not a part of that equation. So what we signed are customers we expect to be in the pool of launched candidates for the next quarter. So the record number of clients we signed in Q3 are launch candidates for this quarter that we're in right now. Okay? So we did see a slight uptick in clients that we lost. As Jim outlined, we had a good handful of clients that became part of merger and acquisitions. That revenue is still part of the company, but we lose the logo, if you will, the client name. And then we did see a slight uptick in the PowerReviews base from a number of client churn. And so that -- and we've balanced that with launches of 75, which is up from Q3 significantly of last year, but down sequentially. We had a little bit -- we had lower net client addition than we've had in past quarters.

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Greg, this is Jim. The good thing is, as Gene indicated, we had -- we're signing new accounts at a record pace. And over the next quarter or 2, that should start showing up at launches. And our general trend of launches has been up until this last quarter, and a lot of that is seasonal because of retailers and brands just don't want to mess with their sites too much over the holidays.

Gregory Dunham

Analyst

Right. And I guess the follow-up real briefly. I mean the M&A component, you don't lose the revenue, but you actually -- it hurts you on the number of clients that you actually have. I mean, how significant was that M&A component to that churn?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes, it was not all that significant. It was just a little bit -- we always have a few of those, but we had a few more than a few this last quarter.

Eugene Austin

Management

Single digits.

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jennifer Lowe with Morgan Stanley.

Jonathan Parker

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

It's actually Jon Parker calling for Jennifer. I guess, first, I wanted to sort of dig in a little bit to the question that's on everybody's minds. Given the timing of the DOJ trial, you talked about how you filed your opposition to the brief earlier today and that their reply, I guess, is due back. Can you talk a little bit about, first, sort of what's contained within that opposition and sort of the summary of your views? And, I think it'd be appreciated, you also mentioned a number of companies and conversations you've had with potential parties in the event of a divestiture of the PowerReviews business. Can you maybe talk a little bit about, at a high level, obviously, the type of companies that are expressing an interest? Large companies, small companies. So I think one of the concerns people have had is, in the event that you have to divest that business that potentially gets sold to our larger party, let's say, that has a lot of money that they choose to invest in the company, ends up becoming a bigger competitor for Bazaarvoice over time, so I think people might be interested in trying to better understand what sort of that could theoretically look like.

Eugene Austin

Management

So I guess, the first thing I'll do is respond to -- give you a little bit of color of our filing today. So the DOJ filed, back on February 12, with a long list of requirements. One of those was divestiture, but they went way beyond divestiture. And so the -- our filing today recognizes that divestiture is something that may need to happen, but we are -- we take a lot of issue with the other points in the DOJ's filing. We think divestiture, as a remedy, may be a reasonable outcome. But again, we think the DOJ's request was far-reaching and something we could not agree with. Now, the parties that have expressed interest are a wide range of interested parties. The -- I think the most serious folks are in the ratings and reviews business and so I'll leave it at that. I'm not really at liberty to comment about the size of the organizations because the parties' names are confidential. But at the same point, I think when I look at the list of interested organizations, it is a good outcome for the customers in the PowerReviews arena. It's a good outcome for the marketplace. And I think it sets up a reasonable environment for everybody moving forward.

Jonathan Parker

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then you did note some increased churn on the low end of your business coming from sort of that PowerReviews business, does that impact that potential divestiture scenario or remedy at all? And what's driving that? Are those customers that are concerned about a potential change in their provider? And how should we think about that over the next couple of quarters?

Eugene Austin

Management

Well, I would classify the churn in the PowerReviews -- I mean, just like any organization, churn fluctuates quarter-to-quarter. So it was a little higher this quarter, but I would not say that it was abnormal for PowerReviews. I mean, PowerReviews is a SaaS business. Those customers have been reading the headlines on this trial since it began. And you can imagine, they churn. The -- I think, at the same time, the most important thing that can happen is a quick solution to the situation. And we have been encouraging the court and the DOJ to move as quickly as possible because it's -- the people losing in this situation are the PowerReviews customers. And there's nothing we can say or do to the PowerReviews customers right now. The most important thing is to reach a remedy as fast as possible.

Jonathan Parker

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Great. And then last, I think it's certainly really encouraging the large deal that you called out with the Fortune 50 customer and sort of the cross-sell that you saw there. Maybe talk about sort of how they were using -- how were they using the platform before? How are they thinking about going forward using it? Sort of what they've added on? And then I'm also curious about, and I don't know if it's related to this deal or not, but you have spoken about trying to better monetize the platform in some instances by moving to -- from a fixed-fee arrangement to something more variable and performance-based. I'm sort of curious, is that -- given sort of the range that you said, from that being $2 million to $3 million, is that sort of -- a part of this deal or not? And how are you thinking about moving more towards variable or performance-based deals going forward?

Eugene Austin

Management

Sure. I'll talk about the enterprise deal for just a second. I think, as you can imagine, a Fortune 50 organization is very large on a worldwide scale and, frankly, has most of the organization working very independently on a worldwide basis. However, the organization has found so much value from using Bazaarvoice and the content that their consumers are generating about their products that they are basically issuing a company-wide program that says, "We want everyone to standardize on Bazaarvoice for ratings and reviews because of the ease-of-use, the power in the product, the network that we provide and all of the compelling value that Bazaarvoice has brought to that organization." In terms of pricing, yes, we continue to be -- to focus on how to monetize the growth on our network. And we're having a lot of conversations about how to do so. As you can imagine, there are a lot of things to cover off when you look at pricing changes of this magnitude, where we go from a fixed-fee to some type of hybrid, which would be fixed-fee and variable. As I indicated in the last call, we've been running a number of experiments in this area. We're starting to get some decent data back, and we're using that in our planning process as we look forward going forward. So we're excited about the network growth, it's just outstanding. The amount of content in the network is very strong and the commitment by worldwide organizations on Bazaarvoice is very reassuring of the strength of what we provide as a business.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Stephen Ju with Credit Suisse.

Stephen Ju

Analyst

So I think you cited a seasonal 4Q, the usual factor is on the media outperformance here. Just thinking about this longer term, are your retailers incrementally more comfortable about showing advertising on their pages? Is there any change in stance there, either positive or negative?

Eugene Austin

Management

Yes, Stephen. We have definitely seen, in the last few months, more interest by retailers. So as we indicated in the last call, the slowness of retailers to adopt -- to become -- to sell inventory on their sites was a concern, and the reason why we were cautious about media growth. And that has taken 1 or 2 clicks in the positive -- more positive direction. We're not ready to call it a force yet, but I've been encouraged by the movement forward in that area. That being said, as Jim mentioned, Q4 will be -- because of the seasonality of media, we will see a decline in media revenue in Q4.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Mark Murphy with Piper Jaffray.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

I think most of my questions have been asked at this point. But, Gene, I wanted to try to clarify one of the comments that you made. You said you have experimented, I think, with variable or hybrid pricing and that it's been in the beta test phase. I'm just curious. Have you been able to sign any new clients on variable pricing? Whether it's been tied to the number of reviews or a number of uniques or a number of impressions or anything else. Is anything -- is there anything that's been contracted recently that you would call variable or hybrid?

Eugene Austin

Management

Yes. I mean, Mark, in the beginning of the year, we consciously launched an experiment, I'll call it, and all of the deals that we did in this experiment were new to my knowledge. I might be wrong, but I believe most, if not all, were new. And they ranged all over the map in the types of variability. Some were content-related, amount of content. Some were impressions-driven and some had even other types of variability to it. And those -- and some had a hybrid approach. So I would tell you, though, that they're not large deals. They're more in the small, medium business arena. So -- but they give us a pretty good indication of the value and also what areas -- what leverage we have at our disposal as we look at it.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

If the C back [ph] comes back positive and the customers like what they're getting out of that arrangement, could there be a future opportunity to begin to sprinkle in some of the variable pricing at renewal time, for more of the mid- to large-sized customers that you have?

Eugene Austin

Management

Yes, most definitely. But I would tell you that I don't believe we would switch a fixed-fee relationship to an all-variable relationship. I think what you would see is that we would have a fixed-fee but once they hit a certain level of performance, perhaps it's impressions, that we participate in the overage of those -- so it was x billion and they got to that amount and they went higher, we would participate in the over-performance from an impressions standpoint. So I would call it more of an overage model than a variable pricing model, just to be clear at this point.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And then, Jim, I wanted to ask you. I believe when it comes to your churn rate disclosures, the numbers that we see or the numbers that we're able to calculate are really tied to the customer count. And we saw that there was a little increase there that, I think, you've walked us through. And you're speaking to -- or you've begun speaking to, recently, this concept of the dollar churn rate. Is there any consideration for changing the disclosure there to actually give us a dollar churn rate over time so that we're able to quantify that?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Mark, the answer is that's a likely -- we're considering that for fiscal '15. We haven't decided fully. And if we were to decide, it could be qualitative during the year and more quantitative after -- a year-end type of thing. So we're considering it.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Okay. And then -- that's helpful. Gene, coming back to you. The M&A in the marketing software arena, obviously, it's been running at a frenetic pace. I'm just curious how you think through, I guess, how you would protect against that from a -- you're trading at a valuation that's a little over 2x sales, which is -- it's towards the lower end of the SaaS software spectrum. And I think, especially seeing that you're reporting a wide range of parties that expressed interest in PowerReviews on a, presumably, on a fairly compressed timeframe, it would seem to speak to the idea that there's M&A interest, specifically and precisely where you play. So just kind of a high-level question on maybe how you would protect against that.

Eugene Austin

Management

Mark, that's a question I don't think I can fully answer. I will tell you that the interested parties in PowerReviews are not of the size that you may be thinking at this point, right? They are much more geographic or regional in nature. And so I'll just leave it at that.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. And then I wanted to ask just one last one. Could you clarify the commentary that you expect increased revenue growth rates some time in FY '15? I'm just -- I don't know exactly how specific or how general of a comment you wanted that to be, but I guess I'm wondering, increase above what? Do you mean it would be increased above the 12.5% level that you just reported? Or do you mean something else with that comment?

Eugene Austin

Management

Well, let me answer it in a couple ways. So first of all, as we've said, we believe Bazaarvoice can achieve 15% to 25% revenue growth over the long term. And what I -- what -- as you all note -- have noted, our revenue growth rates have been decelerating each quarter. We came in at 12% this quarter. We've guided to single digits next quarter. And what we're saying is we expect that trend to reverse some time in 2015. We're not ready to call it yet, but the reason why we believe this is -- we're on our way to that point is because of the improving operating metrics we've seen quarter-to-quarter, month-to-month in our business. So having done this for many, many years in SaaS, what you -- how you perform today is what you end up -- how you end up in revenue and operating results tomorrow. So the changes we put in place to improve the overall performance of Bazaarvoice are taking root, and we expect that to yield fruit from an accelerated growth rate standpoint sometime next year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll go next to Brendan Barnicle with Pacific Crest.

Brendan Barnicle

Analyst

Gene, you made some nice progress with enterprise sales and across the organization. As we start to think about what your plans are for the sales force going forward, what are you thinking about where would you look to add and build out the team?

Eugene Austin

Management

Brendan, I have been -- we certainly had some good enterprise results, and I think I'm excited about our product portfolio to expand our share of wallet in enterprise. So that's one. Number two, the brand business, in general, has had nice growth all year, so I'm very excited about that. And I would expect us to continue to focus on brand as a business. And for those of you that obviously know us having a strong retail presence, they're so synergistic that, as we add more brands, the retailers are happy because they get more and more content. So it's really what we do to drive more brands only makes our retail network that much happier. We have seen great success in the small and medium business arena. Jim talks about our revenue -- our average revenue per client will probably dip -- continue to dip. Well, in my opinion, that's a great thing because we are signing up some nice medium-sized, even small-sized, brands that I think have a great opportunity for us going forward. So there's no real one area. We've added a lot of capacity. We will add a lot of capacity this year from a sales standpoint. Next year, it will be refinement and we probably won't add as many heads next year as we have this year. But we -- I still think we will have the ability, both from products, productivity improvements, et cetera, to add some nice top line bookings growth next year.

Brendan Barnicle

Analyst

Great. And then, Jim, you mentioned in your prepared comments about trying to draw down the line of credit to give you a little more flexibility. What are the types of things you want to have more flexibly for?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes. I mean, we decided with -- before the full clarity the DOJ remedy to maintain that flexibility by drawing it down to continue to support the business. And between that and the growth of the business, we just want to have that kind of flexibility and to be able to continue to invest.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Nandan Amladi with Deutsche Bank.

Nandan Amladi

Analyst

Some of the elements of this question may have already been answered. But how hard would it be for you to divest PowerReviews in terms of separating out your R&D and sales teams and any sort of data center, those kind of things?

Eugene Austin

Management

Yes. It's -- well, this is certainly an area that I have never been through before. So I'm going to have -- but we have looked at it very, very carefully. And divesting a company that's been a part of you for over 1.5 years is no easy matter. That being said, though, the technology is easily "cleaved off." The customer contracts are, obviously, still on PowerReviews's paper and easy to do. The staffing and resource allocation towards that business is an area that we would obviously have to work with a potential divestiture buyer on and how that would -- how they're going to staff it, help them with the transition in some ways. So I don't think it's going to be a "one day we wake up and it's completely done." It's going to be -- have to be a transition of some kind because, frankly, the most important thing here are the customers involved. And at times, I feel like -- during this process and, obviously, I haven't been involved in the whole thing, but we have lost sight of the customer needs and what's in the best interest of the customers. So as we head into this remedy phase, I'm pretty focused on making sure it goes as well for the customers as possible. But it's not -- on many areas, Nandan, it's fairly straightforward. In a couple areas, it's less so, and we'll work our way through it. I do want to make sure that the investors realize that I have a team that can pull this off. This is not going to derail the company. And if divestiture is what lies in our future, we'll make it happen while continuing to make progress as a business.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in queue. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any additional or closing remarks.

Eugene Austin

Management

Okay. Thank you all for attending today's call. We will see many of you tomorrow, here in San Francisco and in New York, and look forward to speaking with you on our Q4 call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.