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Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 22, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Bazaarvoice Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Brian Smith, Vice President of Finance for Bazaarvoice. Please go ahead.

Brian Smith

Management

Good afternoon, and welcome to today's conference call to discuss Bazaarvoice's financial results for the third fiscal quarter of 2013 ended January 31. I'm joined today by Stephen Collins, Chief Executive Officer and President; and Jim Offerdahl, Chief Financial Officer. Following prepared remarks from Stephen and Jim, we'll have a question-and-answer session. Please note that we are simultaneously webcasting this call on our Investor Relations website at investors.bazaarvoice.com. The earnings press release, with our results for our third fiscal quarter of 2013, was issued earlier today and is also posted on our Investor Relations website. Please remember that certain statements made during this call including those concerning our business outlook and guidance, growth plans and opportunities, potential acquisitions, sales execution and our ability to capitalize on our opportunities are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are described in our SEC filings, including the Risk Factor section of our Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended April 30, 2012, our Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended October 31, 2012, Form S-1 as filed with the SEC on July 12, 2012, and other documents that we may file with the SEC in the future. Should any of the risks or uncertainties materialize or should any of our assumptions prove to be incorrect, actual results could differ materially and adversely from those anticipated or implied in these forward-looking statements. In addition, forward-looking statements are also based on currently available information, and we undertake no duty to update this information. Additional cautionary language regarding these forward-looking statements is further described in today's press release. Finally, some of the numbers that we will discuss during this call will be presented on a non-GAAP basis. Today's press release, together with the accompanying tables, contains the calculations of these non-GAAP financial measures and a full reconciliation between each non-GAAP measure and its corresponding GAAP measure. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen.

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Thanks, Brian. Good afternoon, everyone. First, I want to thank all of our global employees for their focus on and commitment to our clients. I'm extremely proud of the team's accomplishments that this quarter and absolutely believe that our company is exceptionally well-positioned and equipped to deliver outstanding value to our clients and outstanding returns to our investors. We began the quarter with the acquisition of shopper media company, Longboard Media, and a leadership change for the CEO role. These events reflected a fulfillment of and a commitment to the success of our strategy and represent our company's recognition of the amazing opportunity to build a highly valuable business in the dynamic and rapidly changing eCommerce marketplace. I spent my first quarter as CEO focused on digging into the details of our addressable market and talking to clients and evaluating our sales focus and performance in our business. As a result of that analysis, I'm extremely confident that our addressable market opportunity on a global scale is substantial and that focusing on new client acquisition in conjunction with existing client retention is our #1 priority to drive revenue growth and to build the most valuable company for the long term. Let me talk about our addressable market opportunity. From a brand standpoint, we've identified more than 50,000 unique brands in our data, selling their products to retailers within the Bazaarvoice network. Each of these brands could potentially be a client for ratings and reviews, connections, media solutions or all 3. Even with some of our largest and most mature brand clients, we are not yet half penetrated into their family of brands and we still only have approximately 1/4 of the Fortune 500 as clients. As a percentage of these large brands' total marketing spend, our share of wallet is…

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Thank you, Stephen. And thank you to everyone enjoying the call today. It's my pleasure to have the opportunity to be on the Bazaarvoice team and I look forward to spending time with many of you as we move forward. As a reminder, we are on a fiscal calendar year ending April 30. So today, we are reporting results for our third fiscal quarter of 2013 ended January 31. And all accounting periods that I will be talking about will be fiscal. Unless otherwise noted in my remarks, I will cover our non-GAAP operating results that correlate with adjusted EBITDA as a measure of operating profitability, including discussions in cost of revenue and operating expenses. Investors should refer to our press release for a complete overview of our financial results, including the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP operating results, comparative information to prior periods and key operating metrics. This is the first quarter in which Bazaarvoice generated media revenue. As Stephen noted, we are recognizing our media revenue on a net basis not growth as we had originally contemplated at the time of the Longboard acquisition in November, and as we had originally provided guidance on in our last quarter earnings call. We have concluded that recognizing media revenue on a net basis is the proper accounting treatment and is a reflection of how we operate the business. We believe that this will also result in financial results that are easier to understand. So while our revenue growth will not be as high as it would have been under gross revenue treatment, our gross margin percents will be favorably impacted. In this call and future calls, we plan to discuss 2 types of revenue, SaaS revenue and media revenue, the latter representing revenue generated by the acquired Longboard Media business…

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Jim, thanks, and I'm delighted to have you as my partner here and as part of the team. So welcome aboard again. I'll turn it over to questions now. So, operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And first, we'll go to Mark Murphy with Piper Jaffray.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Jim, welcome aboard. I realize you've only been there for a few weeks but I'm wondering if there's any way you can help us in terms of your multiyear growth rate for top line for Bazaarvoice. I know you've not given guidance for the out-year yet, but is there any guidance you can give us qualitatively or quantitatively on just what might be an appropriate level looking out over the next couple of years?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes, I'll -- we're just really -- Mark, we're in the middle of our planning process, and we're not giving guidance at this time for 2 -- beyond the fourth quarter. The company is typically divided at that time after the fourth quarter, and that's what we expect to do the same.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Okay, that's fair enough. Stephen, I wanted to ask you in terms of the DOJ lawsuit, do you feel that it's had any impact on your operations? It sounds like you had a good quarter in some ways. But I'm just wondering, have you seen any tangible effects on either the pipeline or the growth rates or anything in terms of how customers or prospects are interacting with you because of that DOJ lawsuit?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Well, I mean, no, not exactly what you asked. But obviously, we're spending a lot of money for good lawyers, so I'd rather spend that on our clients and on our salespeople for sure. I can't really comment on the effect of the DOJ one way or another. Our clients are happy with us. I think the PowerReviews clients are happy with us, and we're going out to market and carrying the flag for all the great things we do. And I think that, that message resonates and outweighs whatever might be happening with the Department of Justice. So we're operating our business on the front lines the way we always have and in a good way and also with an eye towards really adding those new clients. I feel very optimistic about that in spite of the fact that we have this Department of Justice issue. And Bryan Barksdale, our inside counsel and our legal team are really taking the lead and carrying the burden of handling this matter and really trying to keep it from affecting the business to the greatest extent possible. I think they're doing a great job there.

Mark R. Murphy

Analyst

Okay, great. And then Stephen, the last one. I'm wondering quantitatively if you can comment on how Q3 sales from a bookings perspective in dollar terms. What I mean is that it sounds like you -- I believe you said you booked a greater number of new enterprise clients during the quarter. It sounds like some of those might carry a lower ASP. So I'm just wondering maybe how it manifested itself in terms of bookings and dollars through the quarter? And then just also on a related topic, how do you think the business performed in terms of the existing customer expansions that you've been seeing recently?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Yes. Well, as you know, we don't talk about dollar bookings but as I mentioned in my remarks, our on-boarding prices with new clients has been quite consistent throughout our history. And this last quarter was no different in that regard. But to the extent, if you want to think about dollar bookings, to the extent that the mix of dollars is greater for new versus existing, that means that the SF will be lower. And then our clients, as you know, from our cohort analyses, grow over time, and also I mentioned in my remarks, we did not build the new client cohorts in 2012 and 2013 that we needed to provide that inventory of upsell and cross-sell opportunities that would allow us to grow the way we like to grow. And so that's why I really almost put a maniacal focus on new account acquisition right now and told the team I'm not worried about the dollars right just now. Now that's not -- that shouldn't be taken to reflect that the dollars were good or bad. It's only that your first priority is to win a new client. And to the extent that we want to work on pricing, it's more about scope and focus instead of trying to sell everything we've got to a client on the first day, as opposed to discounting. That's not really our strategy here. But we've also opened Aperture, the size of clients certainly with the PowerReviews acquisition. We're looking at the market more broadly now. We used to look at it a little bit more narrowly with larger clients. And that's a good thing, because we have connections and media opportunities that give us other ways to monetize clients of all sizes. So I'll conclude by saying more new clients is a good thing and more new clients will help us grow dollar bookings in the future.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll move on to Tom Ernst with Deutsche Bank.

Thomas Ernst

Analyst

First question. The network numbers look good for second quarter in a row. I'm curious, are you adjusting in any way how you approach the business given that you have the lawsuit? Are you emphasizing one platform over the other in terms of Bazaarvoice and PowerReviews?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

No, we're not. I mean, Connections is not really part of the issue, I think, with the Department of Justice. So no. I mean, now we are iterating in terms of what's the best way to go to market and accelerate the business, but that's because it's new. But we're pretty much on track with the way we saw this business going. And we added a lot more retailers and I've been on quite a few client visits, explaining what Connections is and the importance of linking suppliers to the retailers. And the light bulbs are going off. So I think this is your classic kind of s-curve situation where you start moving, getting momentum and hopefully, you're not too far down the road you hit a tipping point. But all signs are good so far. No, the Department of Justice matter is not a factor as we pursue this strategic opportunity.

Thomas Ernst

Analyst

Okay. Great. And Jim, you highlighted the disconnect in your billings from bookings. But we have seen the deferred revenues decline as a percentage year-on-year. So I'm curious what's driving that. I know we were driving towards standardizing annualizing payments. Is that trending the other direction or why are we seeing a decline in deferred as the net effect?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Well, it's obviously grown in a dollar basis. On a percentage basis, it may have declined just because of the mix of types of billings and the timing of billings, whether it's new or existing clients. That can change certainly from quarter-to-quarter.

Thomas Ernst

Analyst

Okay. So specifically, maybe to average prepayment terms, are you still driving an increase there or is that leveled or backtracked?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

There's no change in our approach to business. And -- well, if I'm the CFO anymore, maybe I didn't look at billings as much as I should have this time around. But I think, certainly, our sequential revenue change this quarter, it was better than last and the underlying long-term drivers of growth were superior this quarter, I mean. So I think that as we've said, both periods where deferred looks better versus worse, you're not necessarily getting to the right conclusion there. So I like the momentum that we were able to grab this quarter. We've got a ways to go, but we certainly made a move in the right direction, and I was pretty gratified with that.

Operator

Operator

And next, we'll go to Karl Keirstead with BMO Capital Markets.

Karl Keirstead

Analyst

A question, Stephen, you mentioned a couple of times your focus on new client acquisition. When I look at your headcount and I back up the Longboard folks that you took on, it looks like your headcount may have declined just a little bit sequentially. So your focus is on new client acquisition but the headcount's going down. So normally, to grab new clients, it would take more feet on the street, more sales reps, so maybe you could just take a minute how you'll achieve that goal with sort of a flat or modestly declining headcount. Maybe you're redeploying people. A little color there might help.

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Sure. Well, off the top of my head, we went -- the SaaS company went down less than 10 employees. And as you might imagine, my coming in this quarter, I looked at where we were producing results and where we weren't producing results and started allocating people to the frontline. So our frontline sales capacity, in terms of feet on the street, red-meat eating, quota-carrying salespeople is going up, and it's going to continue to go up. So we're making investments there globally. And what we have an opportunity and responsibility to do as the stewards of our investors' capital is to get the proper return on our investment. And it is my conclusion after going in and certainly after first quarter as CEO that we have the opportunity to deploy our capital in such a way that it produces a greater return. And so my direction to the team is put more people on the front line and focusing on our core and focusing on carrying quotas and delivering results to improve our revenue and client acquisition cost and get back to basics and fundamentals around new client acquisition and not try to do everything at once. And so I think we, again, have an opportunity and responsibility to spend our shareholders' money wisely. That's all that's going on here. It is not a reflection of a lack of confidence or an investment in our sales capabilities around the world. It's not the case at all.

Karl Keirstead

Analyst

Okay, got it. And if I could ask a follow-up. Jim, you mentioned that you -- you sort of encouraged us not to put too big a focus on DR and billings, so I guess I'd like to ask you and I guess the question can go to Stephen as well. What metric is not DR and billings would you encourage us to focus on as a proxy for momentum, because it seems like the annualized revenue per enterprise client is flattening a little bit and you mentioned it might downtick a little bit? Headcount has obviously down ticked a little bit, so is it new enterprise clients that you would suggest we focus on in terms of a proxy for momentum?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes. I reflect what Stephen said is the new client adds is the key here, to continually increase the new client adds so that our cohorts every year continue to grow because then we -- the company, from what I have seen, is these cohorts grow. So the whole key is to build these cohorts with new client adds and then let them grow. So I think that's the key metric to look at.

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Yes, and Karl, since our IPO, since dating back to the roadshow, a couple of key points, we've advised investors and analysts to look at new client acquisition as the first component of building your model, and that's no different. New clients, we've said historically, tend to come in at about half the portfolio average because we've got 8 years of cohorts now that have varying degrees of maturity. And our average revenue per client was pushing up at a pretty steep rate over the last several quarters. Let's say perhaps too steep because of the mix of new account dollars coming in that was driving that up was juxtaposed with a shortage because of a deliberate focus on the sales team nonexisting, if you will, and that pushed that up. So I think we're getting back to a more normal scenario here, but to revert to the mean, again, we focus the team on adding new accounts, and to the extent that starts happening more, the portfolio average may -- that curve may have been down a little bit, don't know that it'll go negative but I'm not worried about that as long as we're adding great new accounts that are going to grow over time. That's been at the foundation of our economic model, and it's the key to long-term attractive revenue growth rate.

Operator

Operator

Moving on to Stephen Ju with Crédit Suisse.

Stephen Ju

Analyst

So Stephen, can you give us some sense of the incremental uptake rate of Longboard solutions, along your existing eCommerce clients, and how you see that ramping on a go-forward basis? And I guess, another way to ask the question is as you look at your eCommerce clients' footprint as of the end of January quarter, how many new needs do you think you have right now? And out of those you need, how many are actually seeing Longboard ads? And also, if you can give us, again, the number of clients, I guess, losses, as well as sort of, I guess, the sort of gross additions during the quarter?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Sure. Let me talk about Bazaarvoice Media first. So prior to acquisition, Longboard advertised an audience reach of about 100 million uniques across shopper media, sites like Buzzillions and FindTheBest, mobile shopping tools, if you will, and also retailers. They have some retailers in their network that aren't Bazaarvoice clients, and we have some clients that are mutual, and we certainly have lots of retailers that we want to add to their network. That's the first focus of integration is to really help our retail SaaS team complement its quiver of products, if you will, by coming in and saying we have a site monetization solution in addition to an authentic word-of-mouth solution and they're very complementary. So that's where we're going to focus first. And as we add publishers, we'll add impressions. And as we educate our great brands on what we can do with shopper media, that's going to start increasing sell-throughs and grow the business. Classic network economics peers. So we've got good inventory, and we just need to keep working that supply demand equation and start with the supply side. And also, one of the things I'll be doing as an area of my focus this year is really working on building robust agency relationships. That's fundamental for the SaaS business as well, as agencies are beginning to be much more of an influence on our brand's social and coop advertising strategies online. That's fundamental to our success in an area where I think we can really drive demand. Also Bazaarvoice Media, we're already working with a number of the top ad age advertisers. But there's a lot of room to run here. This is an emerging company, but they had a darn solid quarter with greater than 100% year-over-year revenue growth and they beat their margin targets, and it's a good quarter. So as far as the client losses that we had, we lost 31 this quarter, 31 enterprise clients. That's a client churn of, oh, just under 3%, about 2.8%, that's favorable to the prior quarter. And dollar churn from terminating clients, lost clients is less than that percentage, which is consistent with historical levels. So in terms of client churn from losses, kind of same story there as it's been historically, but sequentially favorable.

Stephen Ju

Analyst

And is there any way to isolate any impact from, I guess, the lower entry-level ASP for Connections into the overall annualized ARPU?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Not yet. No, not yet, because this is a 4-figure entry point. We have a premium aspect of it where you can answer some questions and things for free. It's the review response, it's the first kind of killer app, we think. We talked about launching that this quarter, we did. So suppliers can respond to negative reviews. Very importantly, we're seeing that when suppliers and brands answer questions, and they do it quickly, it creates a positive impact for the retailer and for the consumer. And so we're still in the R&D phase and the launch phase on this, but we're getting a lot of adoption. I visited a couple of very large retailers who were not on the program and when they really understood what we were trying to accomplish here, they were incredibly excited about a way, a mechanism to get their brand and suppliers more involved, for them to improve their conversion and their consumer experience. So the logic that was behind this concept was certainly getting validation. And I made a point in my remarks that what we started doing this quarter is really digging into our data set. And in fact, our CTO or EVP of Technology is sitting across the table from me, he's been working with our new SVP of Media and Data, and we found over 50,000 unique brands that are on our platform today. Every one of those should be a Connections client because people are talking about their products. It's very exciting because we can really draw a boundary around our TAM, our addressable market here, and we can use our own data set to target the market and build various direct marketing and inside sales capabilities around this offering as we go forward. So we remain very bullish on the long-term prospects of this initiative.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brendan Barnicle from Pacific Crest Securities.

Brendan Barnicle

Analyst

I wanted to look a little bit at what we've seen in SaaS revenues. So the last -- this quarter sequentially grew slower than we've had in the past where you're guiding next quarter to grow sequentially a little bit slower and you mentioned that the difference in the cohort analysis -- or the cohort group. As we think about the next couple of quarters, should we be looking at sort of the sequential type of growth that we've seen last quarter and that you're guiding to this quarter? And how many quarters out do you think it is before we return back to kind of historical sequential growth we've been seeing on the SaaS revenue?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Yes, again, we're in a process of putting our plan together next year. So the math does say that our revenue growth rates will probably be lower next year than this year. That's what the math says. So we got work to do in the operating plan. And what we're doing on a net client add standpoint will eventually turn that right back up again.

Brendan Barnicle

Analyst

Great. And Stephen, you mentioned in your comments on the DOJ, that you might have to adjust to whatever the DOJ suit is. What are the ranges of adjustments? And you also mentioned the lawsuit is set for going to trial in September. Does that mean you're not open to settlement or negotiation with the DOJ, there's nothing to do on that side in advance of the trial?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Well, I can't and it's certainly not prudent to comment on anything with regard to how we're going to pursue the litigation settlement, et cetera. And I think I was pretty clear in my remarks about how we feel about the merits of the suit. Obviously, the DOJ feels differently and they're doing their job as they think they should. We understand that, and we just have to present our case as vigorously as we can. So I'll let my remarks speak for themselves in that regard, and I think I was pretty clear. The trial is set for September, that's good, that's a known date and we sure hope we prevail and that would be great for the business, our consumers, our clients, et cetera. But again, I can't really comment on how things are going to progress beyond that.

Brendan Barnicle

Analyst

Understood. And then I just want to try and reconcile the customer account numbers. So I had active customers of 1,109 at the end of last quarter and now we're at 1,179. But the net additions that you called out were 22. So what's the difference between the 70 that I'm showing between those 2 numbers and the 22 that you guys are citing?

James R. Offerdahl

Management

Brendan, this is Jim. We picked up 48 customers when we bought out the license, the ShopZilla license agreement with PowerReviews in Europe. We picked that up.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go to Adam Holt with Morgan Stanley.

Adam H. Holt

Analyst

I wanted to focus on a couple of items around driving the new customer adds. First, I believe you've added a significant amount of capacity even just since last quarter. Could you talk about how your sales capacity is ramping? And then secondly, are you doing anything proactively in terms of comp structures and/or other changes in the force to drive more new customer adds?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Yes, let me answer the -- it's nice to talk to you and let me answer the last part first. We are, and have made changes in our comp plan. I've directed the teams to more radically incent the sales teams for new client additions. The economic support doing exactly that, if you look at the ROI, and you model it out. And so they're implementing that right now. It started with my -- and during my first quarter really an alignment exercise, really first verifying the thesis that new client additions were at the root cause of why we weren't able to grow more quickly and more sustainably over the next few quarters than we had been. Now we're a fast-growing company, we still are. I believe our sequential revenue growth actually went up in percentage terms this quarter. But the key is what you do for the long term, and so I think we achieved, I know we achieved alignment on that front and now alignment strategically is being converted into operations. And so yes, absolutely, we're changing the commission plan. On the sales force side, we added a formidable new sales leader in Europe, Cedric Pech, who was a tremendous addition. We did a press release on him. He's bringing on new team members, so we are definitely adding strength on the leadership front. The other thing is it's 3 months later and some of the hiring we did a few months ago is that much more ramped. So our ramped capacity is also improving, while we continue to look for top talent in the field to work under our strong sales leaders. So in summary, we're focusing our teams clearly on new client acquisitions as the number one priority. Number two, more talent, especially in leadership area and ramping of salespeople and we're going to continue to invest behind that. And I think that over the next few quarters that, that's going to pay off great.

Adam H. Holt

Analyst

If I could just ask a quick follow-up on that, what did you see in the kind of the mix between retail and brands in the quarter? And as you look at the pipe, what should we expect that mix to look like going forward over the next couple of quarters?

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Sure. Well, look, brand drives growth for us and that's been proved for the last couple of years. We're now at a point where if you look at our revenues, brand revenue is about equal to retail revenue. Of course, the brand business started much later because retail was at the beginning. And in fact, our revenue growth rate is a blended growth rate between our brand business and retail business. So brand is growing substantially faster than retail. That's inevitable because that's where the addressable market dollars are. But at this point, it's also by strategic design and that we feel that what we can do with brands in terms of product extensions, data analytics products, media products, it's just there's just much more of a rich opportunity there. And so we look at the retail side as certainly a core component of our business, but the key way that we can ultimately offer audience, and that's value to brands. So I said on a number of occasions that our goal for retail is one of these days, who knows, maybe we're cutting them a check. And we're here to make those guys a lot of money and the best way we can do that is to build a robust network of brands and retailers. So land grab, retail audience acquisition is definitely our objective there. But the majority of our growth or the predominant share of our growth has been more recently and will continue to be on the brand side. And the better job we do bringing more new brands in and getting that growth, the better -- the faster we're going to be able to grow this company.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Stephen R. Collins

Management

Looks like the queue has been handled. So I want to thank everybody again for joining us. I want to welcome all the new team members to Bazaarvoice, and thank our employees for a tremendous effort this quarter. I'm very excited about our future and I feel very privileged to have the opportunity to lead this great team and serve our great clients. Thank you, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Once again, this does conclude today's conference. We do thank you all for your participation.