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British American Tobacco p.l.c. (BTI)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Sun, Feb 28, 2016

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Nicandro Durante

Management

So, good morning, everyone, and welcome to British American Tobacco's full-year results presentation. I am Nicandro Durante, Chief Executive of British American Tobacco; and with me this morning is Ben Stevens, our Finance Director. And as always, a warm welcome to those of you who may be listening on the conference call, or watching via our website, bat.com. As usual, after taking you through the results presentation, there will be an opportunity for those of you in the audience to ask questions. I am very pleased to say that BAT delivered an excellent performance in 2015 across all areas of our strategy. This was achieved in the face of unprecedented ForEx headwinds, and a difficult trading environment. The global recovery has been slower than anticipated with continued political economic turmoil in a number of our major markets. Despite this, we achieved very strong results, masked only by significant ForEx headwinds, both translation and transactional. Our share performance has been very strong in recent years, and the pace has accelerated during 2015 with the GDBs driving a record share performance. We grew corporate, GDB, and premium shares strongly, significantly outperforming the industry. Constant currency EPS was up over 10%, exceeding our high single-figures earnings growth commitment. This is an excellent result, given the significant transactional ForEx impact on the cost base. Excluding the 6% impact on operating profit, EPS would have been up 16%; one of our strong performances in the last 10 years. Once again, we are recognizing this strong underlying performance with an increase in the dividend of 4%, demonstrating our continued commitment to growing shareholders' return. Ben will now take you through the numbers in more detail.

Ben Stevens

Management

Thank you, Nicandro and good morning, everyone. As Nicandro mentioned, the Group performed very strongly in 2015, despite a challenging external environment. Cigarette volume was down only 0.5% in an industry we estimate to be down around 2.3%. Excluding the TDR acquisition, volume was down 0.8%. This is the result of particularly strong year of corporate share growth, up 40 basis points and another outstanding performance from the global drive brands with volume up 8.5%, and share up 120 basis points. Currency movements continued to impact reported numbers. However, on a constant basis, we grew revenue 5.4%; profit, 4%; and EPS, 10.1%. Excluding the transactional FX impact of 6%, operating profit would have risen 10% and earnings per share by 16%. Price mix was 5.9% and compares very favorably with the 4.2% achieved in 2014, reflecting a continued improvement in the pricing environment over the year. Underlying operating margin was up around 160 basis points, although on a reported basis, it was down 60 basis points, as I'll explain later. The translational FX headwind for the year was 10% at the EPS level, leaving adjusted earnings per share marginally higher at 208.4p. However, on a constant currency basis, we have again delivered on our commitment for high single-figure earnings growth. Currencies were obviously a key feature of 2015 and, based on current spot rates, they remain a challenge for 2016. As you can see from the slide, the impact of FX increased over the course of 2015 as rates deteriorated. Currency translation reduced operating profit by 7% in the first half and this increased to 16% in the second half; while the transactional FX impact increased from 4% to 8% over the same period. Although the translational impact is improving in 2016, given the delay caused by the timing of…

Nicandro Durante

Management

Thank you, Ben. As you have heard, the Group performed very well in 2015 with strong top-line organic growth. This was driven by improved volume and pricing across all the regions as well as a strong corporate share growth. Constant currency operating profit growth of around 10% excluding transaction of ForEx was an outstanding achievement in the current environment. GDB volume was up 8.5%, and their share was up a record 120 basis points. Their growth accelerated over the year and, premium and key segment shares continued to improve with good momentum going to 2016. The GDBs now account for over 45% of the overall portfolio in terms of volume. The GDBs have gone from strength to strength, and the investment we have put behind innovations and product quality is clearly paying off. More than half of our GDBs now carry some form of innovation. These demonstrate the underlying health of the business. And now, turning briefly to each of the brands. Dunhill delivered another excellent performance with volume up 6%, and share up 30 basis points, driven by continued growth in Indonesia, Brazil, and a strong performance in South Korea. In Indonesia, the launch of Dunhill Filter, a full-flavored kretek, in November 2014 has been the most successful launch in recent years and has already reached a market share of 2.4%. Overall, Dunhill volume was up almost 50% in Indonesia, reaching a national share of nearly 5% in December. Dunhill's strong performance in Brazil also continued with market share up 120 basis points to 13% in December. The brand leads the premium segment with a share of 34%. In Malaysia, Dunhill maintained its 47% share, despite down trading and volume decline in the legal markets as illicit continued to grow. In South Korea, an updated pack, product, and communications…

Q - Unidentified Analyst

Management

Hi. [indiscernible], Bank of America. Could you please give us an outlook on your core business profit? It was, if I remember right, they were about 20% of your earnings. And if we look at Brazil, it looks like it is taking share, but you said the losses in Canada regarding Imperial Tobacco. And in terms of South Africa, we saw an excise up to 7 billion, how do you expect revenues to be impacted by that? In Russia, if I understand well, you lost a bit of share. Do you expect that to [indiscernible]. What is your outlook on volume for the industry in Russia? And then finally, on Australia, inflations [ph] are changing, so please give us your thoughts.

Nicandro Durante

Management

I'll try to answer everything, maximum three hours, so let's see if I can. So let me start with Canada. First of all, the five biggest profit providers of BAT are the same: the Canada, South Africa, Brazil, Russia, and Australia. They were 40% of our profit some years ago, two years ago, now it's 36%, 36.5%, so the change is not significant. I see this -- we want these companies to grow fast, but also to have a better spread of the profit is not that bad. But there are some inaccuracies in your question. Let me start with Canada. We have been growing profit in Canada strongly four years in a row. We are doing very well in Canada. We lost some share last year in the very low-price segment, that's something that we want to compete, but we don't want to compete so strongly there. So Canada is doing extremely well. And profit has gone up in the last four years and Canada had a very strong 2015 in profitability terms. So going to Russia, in which you mentioned that we lost share, we are the only company growing share in Russia for three years in a row. Last year, we grew market share in 2015 against 2014. And if you look at exit share in Russia in 2015, against exit share in 2014, it's a better measure over the last 12 months, we grew share, 1 share point; so 100 basis points. So we are doing very well in Russia. Of course, the profit in Russia has been affected by translation and transactional Forex, and excise increases as well. As you know, in the case of Russia we have a volume decline. I think that Russia declined last year around --- I had the number here…

Unidentified Analyst

Management

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Nicandro Durante

Management

Yes. You want more answer on that, Jerry, would you answer the question. Jerry's our General Counsel, so he can give you a more detailed answer on that.

Jerry Abelman

Management

I think you're asking about the Quebec transaction, yes. So we had a security order issued in October requiring Imperial Tobacco Canada to make clearly deposits of – well, totaling 758 million, broken up over seven quarters. The first deposit went in at the end of December, and will continue until such time as we win the appeal. The appeal should be argued this November. And we remain very confident about the appeal. And yes, so the big difference is there was an order earlier in the year that would have required the money to go out from the defendant to the plaintiffs. The order that came in October, the money is held in court and will be returned if and when, we hope, we win the appeal. Okay?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Can you take dividends out of Imperial Tobacco's hands while the tobacco case is not to the plan [ph]?

Jerry Abelman

Management

The payment of dividends is a matter for the Board of Imperial Tobacco Canada.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

[indiscernible]

Unidentified Company Participant

Management

[indiscernible] largely being used to pay the money into the escrow account.

Nicandro Durante

Management

But you could have dividends, yes, if the Board decides that they have enough cash to pay dividends then the answer is yes. I think that was your question? Thank you, Jerry. You had a question. Can I just go for others, and then go for you, James?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

So the real question, or the other question, can you give us a little bit more detail about TaO? I think you said in the statement it's pretty much everywhere apart from one or two months. I was just trying to think about how the cost savings here. My understanding is there will be efficiencies that come in, in the next couple of years. Is there any way you can quantify that, whether the 160 bps underlying margin will continue? And that's really the question. Thank you.

Ben Stevens

Management

Okay. We have deployed SAP globally in the largest and fastest deployments ever done, and the successful deployments, I have to say, it's on time, it's on budget, and it's on spec. So that in itself sets it apart from most SAP deployments, I'd say. The speed of deployment of SAP is tremendous news, so we just went live in South Africa and Brazil a couple of weeks ago. But obviously, we've then got to stabilize the system, and the savings comes through after that. I'm confident that even though we've deployed SAP we're not actually necessarily reaping all the benefits of it yet, so I think the savings from SAP will continue to flow through. This year, whilst we finished the first deployment we're going round and sweeping up all the other countries that weren't part of the original plan. So we've got to do TDR, obviously, we've got to do Indonesia, we haven't done, which will be a really big deployment this year. So there's more SAP to come. And once SAP is deployed there are more savings to come from SAP.

Nicandro Durante

Management

James?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Hi, two questions, actually. The first one is linked, which is of the 160 basis point margin expansion in 2015, can you give us a feeling for how much of that was, let's call it, organic-organic versus SAP-driven cost savings?

Ben Stevens

Management

Well, we've always said about half of the margin improvement comes from pricing, and about half comes from cost savings. I don't think there's any reason to assume that was particularly different last year.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

And then secondly, on Japan, obviously a market where we've had, let's say, irregular pricing over the years where the market leaders just moved, okay, not in their whole portfolio, but on half of it. How do you think about the pricing environment in Japan now, obviously, with regard to your own portfolio there?

Nicandro Durante

Management

Well, we don't see prices moving for JT's competitors. They have $0.10 in revenues, and we are not going to follow it, because brand reposition just $0.10, with not only us but other competitors in the market of JT are not moving. I think that the price environment in Japan is pretty dependent on excise increase, because you usually take prices there when you have an excise increase. And probably, your bet is as good as mine, and when you have one. They keep saying that at the end of this year, or maybe next year, so we don't know. As you know, it's difficult to move prices there without government agreement. And you can reposition a brand, but then you have to have government agreement to do the repositioning. So it’s not in our intention to move brands to more price. Yes?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

I’m sorry to make the point on margins, but I know you said 50 to 100 is going to be challenging this year. But given current rates, would you expect margins to be down again, or could you commit to them being positive? And then secondly, given the aggression of some of your competitors rolling out their heat-not-burn product, I know you said second half of this year for yours, Ben, but could you be a bit more specific and maybe how many markets you intend to be in by the end of the year? Thanks.

Ben Stevens

Management

I mean, look, it's late February. If I knew where FX rates were going to go for the rest of the year, I wouldn't be sitting here on a cold February morning in London; I'd be sitting on a yacht in the Caribbean somewhere. So it's hard to judge, yes. Some of the -- so the current estimate on transactional FX rate is 7%. Some of those costs we can hedge, but obviously hedging costs, in fact the ruble/dollar hedging costs are very expensive. So you can't hedge all of your cost base. So one of the reasons margins were a little bit worse in the second half of the year than we thought was the fact that exchange rates went from a 7% translational hit to a 16% translational hit in the second half. Now, I've no idea whether sterling is going to strengthen or weaken. If sterling strengthens, it's not necessarily a particular help to transactional FX, but it's a big help for translational FX. What affects transactional FX is more the strength of the dollar and the euro against the strength of market currencies like the ruble, the real, the Canadian dollar, the Australian dollar, those sorts of exchange rates. So it's a very big and difficult sort of mix to pull out. So, we are hopeful. We'll certainly grow underlying margins this year, whether it's enough to offset the transactional FX rate, we'll just have to wait and see. It's very, very early in the year to be able to predict that, I'm afraid.

Nicandro Durante

Management

Okay. On the tobacco heating products, let me start by saying that we have two platforms. One is the electronic tobacco device that has been launched, as I said. So it was launched six weeks ago in Romania and the results are encouraging. So this is one of the platforms that we have that has been launched already. I think that was - probably went flat. So it went six weeks ago. It's doing very well, encouraging. And we intended to expand this to Romania during the year. And then, we will see how we expanded to other markets, because the initial results are very encouraging, and the volumes are a little bit higher than we were expecting. We thought this was going to be a little bit slower. So we need to see manufacturing capabilities, and so on so forth, but we should expand it until the end of the year to other markets as well. And the second one is platform two, is the electronic heating system. And this one will be at the end of this year, the launch. We are still fine-tuning the product, the manufacturing capabilities. We think that this will take the product to another level. And we are already testing the product in our R&D, and we think that it should go for one or two markets at the end of this year; and then expansion 2017. But let me tell you that the way that BAT approaches NGP is we look at these under the three categories, not just one. So we are doing a lot in EHP, but I think that you should not underestimate the work that has been done in the vapor area, in which we think that has a fantastic potential. And we are already in six markets doing extremely well, as we highlighted here. We have new products coming to the market. We bought CHIC that has 65% market share in Poland with outstanding trading capabilities. We think that it can expand very fast our portfolio. They have some good products as well, and we are expanding this very fast. We are not going faster, because we wanted to have a controlled geographic spread. We don't want it to go too fast. We are going for six markets in the first half of the year, evaluate and probably do some more markets in the second half of the year. And the third category is the medicinal licensed products. We are the only company in the world that has got one with Vogue, approved by MHRA. We are also fine-tuning the manufacturing capability. It should come to the market during this year. So it is an approach that look at the three categories, not only THP. But TPH one of those was launched already. The second one is going to be the end of this year. Okay?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

[indiscernible] Can you please give us the initial consumer reaction because obviously its credit reversion or in the way you distributed as in any of your products? And more general information on your products, do you see margins want to still - or is this bigger potentially it was highest for convertible tobacco?

Nicandro Durante

Management

You are talking about Vogue, or Vype?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Vogue, the medicinal products.

Nicandro Durante

Management

The medicinal, we haven't launched yet. We have tested, and the test is very positive. We have a small pilot and the initial results are very positive. We just want -- we think that it's going to be a product that is going to be very well received. And you want to guarantee that when you go to the market and have enough capabilities in terms of volume to go not only for UK, but for other markets as well at the same time. So I cannot talk about that, but as soon as we launch it I will come back.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Will it be retailed in pharmacies and --?

Nicandro Durante

Management

Sorry?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

It has to be described by a doctor, right?

Nicandro Durante

Management

No, it doesn't need to be prescribed by a doctor. It can be prescribed by a doctor. We can end up having NHS paying the product for us; that's a first for a tobacco industry. The margins of course is not going to be the same margins of tobacco. The whole vapor, THP, and the medicinal tobacco products they all have a lower margins. But it will be lower margin percentage terms. It will be around 20%, 25%. I cannot be precise now. But in absolute terms, be similar to cigarettes, because it starts with a higher price. So, in absolute, it's not going to be so different per ml, the same comparison, but relative, percentage wise, it will be more of an over-the-counter medicine margins, 20%, 25%.

Ben Stevens

Management

You've got to remember that in tobacco, if the consumer price is 100, 70 disappears as excise, and we measure margin on the remaining 30. But, of course, with a licensed medicinal product, if it sells for 100, you measure the margin on the 100. So a 15% margin on 100 is the same as a 50% margin on the 30.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Do you think it might start to deduct at some point?

Ben Stevens

Management

It may start to deduct at some point, maybe a good thing.

Nicandro Durante

Management

The licensed medicinal products we don't believe so, that's going to be taxed. If you're asking the question about vapor and THP, yes, I think that vapor should be taxed, and we are recommending to regulators to be taxed. We want to be taxed according to risk continue. So we don't pay the same tax as tobacco, should be lower tax. So we should let the risk continue for the consumers and taxed in a different tax rate, so we are engaged with regulators trying to convince them to do that.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Just a quick one from me. I've noticed Americas had a very strong profit growth performance, 11% at constant currency. I was wondering, did hyper-inflation markets actually make a big impact on that, i.e., what was the growth excluding Venezuela and Argentina?

Ben Stevens

Management

I'm not going to quote figures excluding particular markets. If we did inflation accounting for Venezuela, which we don't do in the constant currency results, it would have taken profits down by 18 million this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Just a couple of questions. First one, just following on from your comments about regulation, obviously, one of your competitors is trying to get modified risk status with the FDA. Are you talking to regulators in that way? And is their proposal on an industry basis, or just for their specific product? Are you looking for modified-risk status? Secondly, just a quick one on CapEx. Obviously, if TaO has now been effectively rolled out you're saying the gross CapEx is going to be broadly similar. Is that all down to NGP? And would we expect, therefore, that to come down quite quickly thereafter?

Nicandro Durante

Management

Okay, I will go for the first question. It's just for their products, because we have to do product by product, it cannot be by category. We are analyzing our options now, if we should follow the same route or not. It takes years and years and years to get the approval, and piles of research to get there. So we are preparing our case, and we'll decide if we should go for the same route or not in the coming months.

Ben Stevens

Management

Yes, CapEx will be higher this year than last year. Remember, we haven't finished the roll out of TaO. We've got to do Indonesia, we've got to do Croatia this year, so we've got all of those costs coming through. We've got NGP costs in terms of preparing for the launch of Vogue. And we've got operations costs, where we've been keeping Alan pretty tightly bound down over the last few years while we pay for TaO. But he's finally escaped and we'll be spending some more money in terms of driving the CapEx that comes with innovation, which, of course, is the start of the share growth for all of our brands. So you'll see CapEx, and it’s a bit on exchange rates, but around the GBP700 million maybe next year, gross.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

I'd like to ask a question about mix. As I look at results straightaway, you're growing really fast in Rothmans, and that suggests down trending. But you've kept on saying, a couple of times, you're doing very well in premium, as well. I was just wondering if you could somehow – if I think about BAT as a whole is premium – I mean, how is it working? Is premium becoming a larger percentage of BAT or is value for money becoming a larger percentage of BAT?

Nicandro Durante

Management

So, let me try to explain. If you go back up to two years ago, we always have the pricing moving extremely well. And you have the downside offset by geographic mix, because, as you know, we grow faster in emerging markets, which is part of our strategy. We think that is a sound strategy for the future and we had some tailwinds on portfolio mixes as well. But last year, we had some down trading in the world because of the challenging economic conditions and overall, we had some headwinds on portfolio mix as well. So that's the first part of the answer.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

2015?

Nicandro Durante

Management

In 2015. We had some headwinds on portfolio mix as well, because we see a lot of down trading around the world. You see in places like, for example, Russia, UK, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Australia, Japan, we saw some down trading happening. So there was a decrease in down trading. And they play that -- the role that Rothmans play in our portfolio is that the value for money segment was the one that was growing. We were not so strong there. We had been able to deliver a product with fantastic quality, we've got lot of innovations, and that consumers are loving. So that's why the brand is growing so fast, because it is in a segment that is growing and that brand is doing fantastically well on top of this. What I mention about the premium segment is that inside the premium segment has declined a little bit this year. BAT grew 150 basis points, despite the fact that the GDBs grew 120. Why? Because we have some premium brands that are not GDBs across the world, as you know, as we call the shadow brands in the past, like the MAURIER in Canada, which – that is not our trademark there. In Canada, it is a shadow brand of Dunhill, is doing well in the premium segment. So our share in the premium segment is growing 150 basis points. But because the segment is declining, overall there was a small headwind in portfolio mix, which, up to 2014, we had always a tailwind. So how's it going to play out in 2016 depends a lot on how much you are going to grow your premium portfolio. We are doing very well. We are leaving ‘15 with a very good share growth behind our brands. Our premium brands are growing very fast. You saw what we take about brands, for example, like Dunhill, in places like Indonesia, in which five years' ago 10% of the portfolio was behind Dunhill Club Mild, that was a strategic brand, now it's 90%. So it just shows that you can have a better share, it shows that the brands are growing very well. Dunhill is the only international brand that's playing in the kretek segment, and was able to establish itself in the kretek segment has been Dunhill. We had in Dunhill Mild kretek, now have Dunhill Full Flavor. We launched the one year and two months' ago 2.4 shares in Dunhill, you know how hard it is to get there. So it's doing very well. So it depends a lot if you are going to have headwinds in terms of portfolio mix next year, or not. It depends a lot over the performance of the premium brand. But they are doing extremely well. I hope that they keep doing extremely well. We entered the year in a very good and strong position. So I hope that I encapsulate your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Yes, could you talk a bit about momentum and drivers of momentum? You accelerated your organic sales growth through the year. I think Q4 comes out with volumes up 2% and organic sales growth up 8%, 9%. So, first of all, are there any kind of any sort of funnies in there, any kind of pre-excised loading? And so how clean is that number? And probably, could you give us a bit more color on where that acceleration of growth is happening for you, and how sustainable into 2016 is it?

Nicandro Durante

Management

Okay, regarding Q4, there is no funny there. Using your expression.

Ben Stevens

Management

Yes, TDR, you've got - 40 million turnover off TDR.

Nicandro Durante

Management

TDR, of course, but is not something that will be in numbers for ’16, but eliminating TDR, was a strong quarter 4. But I keep saying, and I said at the interim, during the first half, the second half it was going to be stronger, remember that, because of – it depends on your marketing investment, first half, second half. And we had a lot of launches in the first half. We had a lot of investments in NGP in the first half to have the benefits throughout the year. And the same shift you are going to see in 2016, by the way. So we have a lot of upfront investment. I don't think that you can read it too much on the quarter. But there is no loading there, there is no funny number, the numbers are very clear. You want BAT, how it's come to the year, very clean, because you want to have a very strong next year. So we're not going to jeopardize next year with unloading, so it never happens with us. We have some small loadings at the end of ‘14, ‘15 because of TaO, so markets that were introducing TaO in January, for example, we had some loading in prior years, but very small numbers that is not possible to notice. Also Q4 ‘15 was very strong, because Q4 ‘14 was a weak quarter. So as comparable base, if you compare ‘15 against ‘14, ‘14 was very weak, and then it looks like that ‘15 was stronger than it was. But the numbers are very clean. We come for 2016 from the volume side, from the share side with strong numbers and we are working very hard to keep like that, I can guarantee this to you. Mike, can I have one more question? We are out of time? Is there any burning questions you may ask? No?

Unidentified Analyst

Management

If you want another question, I will –

Nicandro Durante

Management

No, it’s not for you.

Nicandro Durante

Management

So, guys, thank you for coming, and appreciate – you have a question? No? Okay. Thank you for coming. Appreciate that. Thank you.