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Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 10, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to B2Gold Corp. Second Quarter and First Half 2017 Financial Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the call over to Clive Johnson, President and Chief Executive Officer of B2Gold. You may proceed Mr. Johnson.

Clive Johnson

President

Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone to the call. We're here to discuss the results from the second quarter this year and also for the first half of the year and we've got the full executive team here in Vancouver or on the phone, and the idea is to of course, first of all, walk through the overview and for me to walk through the financial results from Mike, and then we'll talk about some of the things coming up. Things and then we're really, sure open up to questions and then see if we can answer the questions that you may have. So in terms of overview, the second quarter results and the half year results were strong in terms of the financial side. Obviously, as everyone is aware, we put out our release about 10 days ago, about a minor miss, modest miss from costs from Nicaragua, and we, on the basis of that, some of the things, we took a pretty conservative view, I think about coming up with a slight reguide. Now at the end of the day, I'll mention here today, we are pleased with the progress and what we continue to see Otjikoto and Masbate and we have quite a bit of time on analyzing Nicaragua and where we are and then the steps we need to take to continue to improve production and some of those are on the way now so we can speak to that as well. So at the end of it, in terms of the cost guidance of the year, for the full year has not changed and over all, another positive year as far as we're concerned from that perspective. In terms of the overview, the company today, obviously, the results are important as they always are and one…

Michael Cinnamond

Management

Thanks, Clive. So firstly, I'll walk you through the income statement. Revenues for the period were $164 million almost identical to the prior quarter last year, that's a function of 1% drop in the gold price, offset by a 1% increase in gold ounces sold. On the production side, for the second quarter in a row, we beat guidance again so consolidated production was 121 [indiscernible] ounces, which is just over 1,600 ounces higher than budget. The component parts of that, it was driven by, I think very strong performance at Otjikoto and Masbate, offset by lower production and originally guided numbers for Nicaragua's Clive alluded to talk about the individual man Otjikoto had 41,000 ounces over 5,000 ounces more than budget. This was mainly driven, the great from what Scheidt and Phase 1 has actually being models so far and we're kind of studying to see how long we think that will continue. That also drove higher throughput through the mill. And so as a result, we guided our production at Otjikoto to between now 170,000 and 180,000 ounces. We are now also looking at finding ways of how we think will fall in the main life of mine plan as we go forward. We expect to have that by the end of Q3. For Masbate, Masbate has just under 50,000 ounces for the quarter, which again was close to the 6,000 ounces higher than budget. Masbate was driven by higher driven mainly by higher outside content. We had some mill feed, which is 67% offset compared with what we originally budgeted, which is 22%, that's up to drove higher throughput resulted in Masbate had a very significant margin. So again, we guided upward for Masbate, and we're now guiding to between 180,000 and 185,000 ounces for the year.…

Clive Johnson

President

Yes, I think we'll take questions at the end. Thanks, Mike. Just a couple of nice, add a little bit to what Mike said. I think one of the positives about Fekola and that only the ability to do it and the kind of market we went through when it was still in common to be growing favorite is the fact that we actually funded Fekola with the equity and we didn't take on amounts of debt that and it made us or any of our significant or shareholders that I know of, so I think that was a great success, and that's Q2 our performance so I think I alluded to earlier that the platform production good performance, give us a platform and then obviously great construction, and all the blessings [indiscernible] et cetera. So I think that was quite an accomplishment to be able to do that and as Mike mentioned, we're in a strong position financially and there's no better indicator, I guess how your relationship with your banks is to have that continue to increase your facility. So obviously, that's been very successful. [indiscernible] bunch of banks who some years ago, we get back we were doing they stepped up and said, "We think you're going to be one of the significant gold companies of the future, and we're prepared to put our money our mouths are." So that's very much appreciated in recently, CFC added their name to the syndicate. So the ability to lead to work with that good banks and financial management also HSBC, Stockton, Nova Scotia in addition to CIBC. Okay, I think that we'll move on now and we'll get an update from Bill so we can have [indiscernible] Fekola and go head, Bill.

William Lytle

Management

Okay, as Mike indicated. Fekola continues to be on budget and on schedule, 3 months ahead of schedule are the original schedule. Just quickly, walking through everything, we're greater than 90% complete everywhere. That was at the end of June so actually right now, we're very close to 98% or 99% complete so the takeaways are basically everything is on-site and we're starting to commission. If you look at starting in the mine, the entire mining team is in place now, all the mining equipment is on-site. We've been doing hard rock drilling and blasting since May. We currently sit with more than 1.1 million tons of material on the ore stockpile. And then if you look at the actual milling circuit, all of the major equipment is in place. We're really talking about now is handing over the commissioning team, so some of the early commissioning has already started. The powerhouse is continuing to be commissioned. We have enough power now to start commissioning all of the middle piece. The water that we need to run the mill is being accumulated in the water dam. We have both an underground borehole and water coming in from the river. The milling team is growing everyday, all of the SLPs have been developed. They've been training on-site now for several months and we anticipate to have 4 in the mill in the first part of October. I don't know if you want to talk about anything else, Clyde.

Clive Johnson

President

Well, I think that's a good overview of what's happening. So, okay. Thanks, Bill and obviously, there'll be some questions coming up. Just as a couple of points about Fekola and listening to the I out talk about a little bit so I think that's of that they ever figure out Monday, but at the end of the day, I'm just what we've done there, the accomplishment, I think it's worth underlining and I think we should get more shareholders down there, we're going to go down next week, but we do everyday whether it's one of our mines or whether it's a project like this. So not only every 3 months we're ahead of schedule, which is a pretty tight schedule to start, 25 months, 3 months ahead of that, but in fact, don't forget we also decided to the expansion, trend construction so at Otjikoto, we decided alluded expansion and plan to do the year after we started production in great wrap up, 2 months and that was sort of a general plan here at Fekola was to map, be able over both things to be able to ramp 4 million to 5 million tons a year within their first year of production. Construction done so well that the guys answer anyway, but became and said to us well, we think we can do the same job. We'd like to do that so I think it's just a matter of you have to love this team and this quite remarkable team very few companies have the pleasure of having. It goes back to a long time, it goes back to Russia the anything I like to think it's an example of what we're about to go through, which is royalties and two-way street. So a remarkable team and…

Thomas Garagan

Management

Thank you, Clive. I'm just going to talk about a couple of the highlights we have an exploration and talking all the things we will be here for a few hours. So just we recently added an additional $2.5 million to the Nicaraguan exploration based on the results. So a total expiration budget now in Nicaragua is just over $14.5 million in total for exploration worldwide is now $55.1 million, that's an increase of almost $10 million from the original budget at the start of the year. Let's start with Nicaragua. Just specifically, as I alluded to at the AGM, we found a new area that seems to have some legs to it. We've been drilling with 5 drills nonstop now for about 6 months on it. New area is about 1.4 kilometers long, about 200 meters deep and it remain solid so within it, with the largest zone [indiscernible] 400 meters is all on the same structure. The zone dips above 30 to 45 degrees and so the preliminary look we had suggests that it's going to have us relatively strip ratio that a significant heifer advance the stem with a band width of 6 to 10 meters wide. We believe that the whole thing is going to be biddable so with increase in budget of an additional $2 million for their specifically, we're hoping to get most of this zone into inferred and indicated probably half of it is integrated so we started doing mine planning by year-end. As Clive said, we plan to come up with a release with the budget for during the next couple of weeks. Onto West Africa. The drilling is now shut down in Burkina Faso for the rainy season and will do the same information here shortly. In Burkina Faso, specifically Toega, we've drilled off a fairly large area that remains open to the North and Northeast regions on the north side of his own and around 250 meters of vertical depth and continuous with the mates of the we've seen so far. We've hit almost 90 meters and 2 grams. So the zone is still open. It still is fairly thick with grade and that will continue once it rainy season is over, we'll continue drilling in that area. At Fekola, we currently have 8 drills working plus an auger. The drilling is focused on the Kiwi area, both near surface and the extension of Kiwi into the Fekola Deep zone. We believe it's all part of one body and we're also drilling on the edges of Anaconda, the saprolite and now started drilling into the salt pile zones that we believe feed or created the Anaconda saprolite. As I said, this drilling will probably shut down within the next couple of weeks for the rainy season and once we started getting all the results back in, we'll come up with releases on those, probably I would guess September, October. So we're on that time.

Clive Johnson

President

Okay, great. Thanks, Tom. And just a couple of things I'll touch on that perhaps might be germane and maybe you won't take questions on, but you can the questions on. Let's talk a little bit about where we are in the Philippines, just a lot of discussion about the government and that [indiscernible] for the last while and we've made our point clear before that we've -- we are the gold standard and one of them for sure in the gold mine space in the Philippines as we move everywhere, but that's not lost on the government. We recently got a pretty major award from the DENR, so we see some positive changes there, in changes in some administers and we also see a positive view from the government including the present conference, you've had each to the mining industry the, question a couple of weeks ago and suffice to say about mining and role of mining is merrily responsively and taking care of local charities and creating jobs, et cetera. So we stack up very well overall, but we think it's just important to remember that with the Chris got a look at the came up very quickly [indiscernible] stop people tried to signal that they work realize role to play in the Philippines, but another poster they just wanted to be done by readily responsively and as I said to creating good jobs and paying taxes taking care of the social podium et cetera. So we view this recent speeches as a positive sign. Some sometimes it's just confusing. We understand that sometimes it confuses us, but the core reason is that because there are some large mines in the Philippines of other metals. I know, other than gold at our perhaps some of the ones that…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question today comes from Rahul Paul from Canaccord Genuity.

Rahul Paul

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Great to see Masbate and Otjikoto continue to do very well, I look forward to Fekola coming online soon. On the cost performance, all-in sustaining cost, looking specifically at Otjikoto, look likes I see was 725 -- $726 an ounces below budget. Cash costs was $200 an ounce below budget to that part of it. Was the remainder entirely to do with capital difference and if so, should we expected to be incurred in Q3 with some of that be deferred to Q4 or possibly in the next year as well?

Clive Johnson

President

There are two components to it. One in our mobile equipment purchases, that we comes through the next 2 quarters so that's the timing issue only. And the other component was there were some stripping cost that we literally felt we can capitalize, but since it's for the operating cash cost so we gain that was being incurred and will be incurred for the full year. So it's really just the timing issue.

Rahul Paul

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Okay, fair enough. And then Tom, the exploration results at Limon, I know you mentioned the book value a little bit and I guess we're still waiting, you said you'll be putting more information soon, but at this stage, does it change the way you view the asset? Or is it too early to say at this point?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

I think it definitely changes the way we look at the asset, absolutely. Behind the scenes, there's a fair amount of work now being done by the engineering group. We've given them a none publishable resort, which they can start to play with and they're starting to do studies of that as we talk.

Clive Johnson

President

And I guess that is the conversation really we believe that impact there's a minimally -- as a minimum accretion, but again pretty dramatic, that's been things will always be looking at is what about potential expansion, et cetera. So can the month keep some of the bigger ideally it was bigger the year 2000 and produce 100,000 ounces of gold because the grade was almost double so that was with the mill, not even when it is now so will be looking various things decrease management also potential expansion so I mean that's had a big mine, but it is a pretty potentially pretty good development for us.

Rahul Paul

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

That's great to hear. And then last question at Fekola. Bill, how do you see this -- has the rainy season commenced in West Africa yet? Mean what's the duration like? And do you expect the stockpile to continue to build during the rainy season? Or do you expect things to slow down and draw down and then it will start again?

William Lytle

Management

Yes, so the answer is we're in the rainy season now for sure. The rainy season typically starts kind of end of June, beginning of July and then goes through, let's say end of September and mid-October. One of the things that we did do, which was very valuable is we actually put the GM and the mining manager on-site early on in this project, so they actually adapted the roads and made sure that they were all weather roads. So we've been running right through the rainy season. For example in July, we added an additional, I think 400,000 or 500,000 tons to the stockpile so we will continue to see that to grow, certainly there's days where we're going to have hours off, but we've been able to run mostly through the rainy season.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ovais Habib from Scotiabank.

Ovais Habib

Analyst · Ovais Habib from Scotiabank

Great quarter, guys. Just wanted to have -- ask a few questions. On more, Mike if you could give me a couple of updates on how things are moving along with ownership agreement at -- for Fekola? I mean, first 10% is carried, you guys were actually negotiating on the second 10%?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

We have evaluation agreed we're just in the process now hopefully in the next couple of weeks just finalizing the mechanics of the agreement how will pay for it and how we'll deal with it so I think that's very close to fruition and finalization on the second 10%. And similarly, the shareholders agreement that we have with the governments will also be finalized in the very near term.

Clive Johnson

President

I think at this point, we categorize this negotiation some of the agreement. So this was we see right now, and that's indication that's the same for both, now we've been doing shortly after next week, looking to take the final documentation steps to finalize.

Ovais Habib

Analyst · Ovais Habib from Scotiabank

Perfect. And then just Mike, also, second question for you. In regards to the prepaid's goals sales of -- we've seen over the last quarter and then you did the larger one previously as well. is this something you guys are looking to use going forward as well? Or is that the last kind of what we've seen?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

Well, what we did was we put on originally 120 million in 2016, as you know, and funds for Fekola in just over 100,000 ounces and that was based on the gold price to around 4.50. We actually like the gold price that we saw in the first half of the year, couple of locations over all over here was relaunched get ready to were back goal of 120 million, [indiscernible] 100,000 ounces so it's more opportunistic it's not that we need to do it, but without we just reload back to the level we were in.

Clive Johnson

President

Our long-term view when it comes to any part of hedging is the fact that we didn't really -- given that was a corporate facility, the Fekola, we did not have to go there and when you're building a low-cost mine like that, you obviously we believe in the meaning that for shareholders so there's no change at the end of the day, it was a great instrument, I think everyone knows the not to equity on the month that we were, tied of equity to raise them in the very innovative financing for both space and it was great for what we did it for opportunity to raise them out and we've got that was something that was worth doing.

Ovais Habib

Analyst · Ovais Habib from Scotiabank

That make sense. Just moving on to Bill. Bill, we have had some discussions on and Tom as well, we've had discussions on the TV zone next to Fekola and how that could be impactful to the Fekola overall? Can you guys give some color as to how you guys are moving along there? I mean, is there more expiration work as necessary you guys don't start including QE into Fekola or is there other studies that are going on that you guys are working on?

Thomas Garagan

Management

The drilling is still aggressively going on. There are preferred QE isn't so to a point that we can do a reserve on it, but the zone between the upper part was Kiwi and Fekola is long ways away from having a resource on it. It's going to take a lot of drilling and we're not there yet.

Clive Johnson

President

In terms of some goals from that type of drilling.

Thomas Garagan

Management

Yes. Again, as I said earlier in the timing September-October from results start to get that pretty good indication of what's going on.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Lawson Winder of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Lawson Winder

Analyst · Lawson Winder of Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Just on the Fekola stop outs from me again. I believe I read in the MD&A that the average gold grades were in line with the geological model. I'm curious when you say geological model, do you mean the average reserve grade? Or might be the original mine plant? Because the mine plant has obviously changed a bit since the mills has been upsides there.

Thomas Garagan

Management

This would be the reserve grade model.

Lawson Winder

Analyst · Lawson Winder of Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Reserves? Okay, so in line with reserves, that's great. And then you'd said that you added something like 350,000 to 400,000 ounces -- tons rather to stockpile in July and you said that you would continue adding going forward, but is that a fair rate?

William Lytle

Management

Yes, it is.

Lawson Winder

Analyst · Lawson Winder of Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, that's great. And then just finally for me, on Libertad. So my understanding is that San Juan, San Diego and Mohawk underground would be currently defined as an inferred resources in the year-end 2016 reserve and resource statement. Is that correct? And if so, have those been upgraded? Do you have more confidence now in the grades of those deposits?

Thomas Garagan

Management

That's correct that's how it's reported in the PSE. The only one that's been upgraded to indicated and that hasn't been published yet, because that's internal for us or for the planning, is Topay, which is now called San Diego.

Lawson Winder

Analyst · Lawson Winder of Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. And if you just, sorry quick follow-up for me. There was something like 400,000 ounces of gold in the year-end inferred resource statement. So if you take Tope, San Juan a ball on underground, would that be -- would that add up to the total 400,000 ounces? Or these are just a small, smaller proportion of those?

Thomas Garagan

Management

Those are smaller professions the big proportions at 400,000 ounces comes from Montana. I will make a comment to your question about that. Mahon underground and Antenna underground, the inferred resources there, they're drilled off to from an up and perspective would be easily indicated is so there what we call soft indicated, internally we call them soft indicated so from a classification point of view, they would be inferred some companies would have them indicated, we're a little more conservative here.

Clive Johnson

President

Bill, can you just clarify the stockpile a little bit we talked about July. Can you just talk about where the stockpile is supposed to be, when and where we are obviously, the question is I think a little ahead, but what do you see for the stockpile as we look forward to the next few months and what it should suppress to be at when we're supposed to get there?

William Lytle

Management

Yes, no problem, Clive. So originally, when we brought forward the mining fleet, the concept was as you pointed out earlier, to make sure that we have enough feed to feed the 5 million ton per annum mill. And so internally, we decided on a number of around 1.6 million tons and so that's what we're shooting for in October. At the end of June, so the end of Q2, we had about 750,000, [indiscernible] about 740,000 tons. The end of July, we had 1.1, and we continue to go along on that schedule so if you look at it, we should easily make the 1.6 million tons.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Chris Thompson of Raymond James.

Chris Thompson

Analyst · Chris Thompson of Raymond James

Great, great to see such solid quarter. Congratulations. Just got 3 quick questions. I will start off with Masbate. I'm just trying to get a sense of what the mine plan's going to look like sort of post Colorado. My sense is obviously that's going to be depleted next year. I recall, we're looking at Montana and Pasio over the next, I guess deposits to be mine. What can you comment? Can you comment on metallurgical characteristics obviously to? Are they comparable in any meaningful order or more like the Main Vein?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

A comment on Montana, which will be the next permit process. That would be more characteristic of similar characteristic to maintain. Flat held should it come in to first it will be more outside.

Chris Thompson

Analyst · Chris Thompson of Raymond James

Okay, great. And so is Montana permanent then, that point are now? Are they ready to go?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

We're ready to resubmit the permit. We submitted the permit last June and we're ready to resubmit it under the new DENR regime.

Chris Thompson

Analyst · Chris Thompson of Raymond James

Okay, perfect. Then just quickly moving on to Fekola. This is, Bill, this is one for you. Fantastic news. Everything's going along nicely there year, anything that keeps you up at night there?

William Lytle

Management

Well, it's more operational stuff. I mean, certainly the team on-site has done a good job of getting everything on schedule. I mean certainly, you want to make sure that the powerhouse continues on, and on schedule you want to make sure the lasso drip drops and dribbles will show up, but overall, we got a very high degree of confidence these things going to work.

Chris Thompson

Analyst · Chris Thompson of Raymond James

All right, perfect. Finally, Tom, this one's for you. I mean it's good to hear that the positive exploration news is coming from Limon, but is there anything that excites you about Libertad at the moment from an exploration perspective?

Thomas Garagan

Management

We're not exactly having a lot of joy at Libertad. We're better, lose all things, but nothing -- I can say that we've got another Montana or I'm sorry, another Mahone or heavily. I think everything that we're getting right now is similar sort of size as Tope. It doesn't mean we're not trying. We're spending a fair bit of money at this point, and I can say there's anything big

Clive Johnson

President

As we know it, from the recently [indiscernible] this infrastructure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Killeen from CIBC.

Jeff Killeen

Analyst · Jeff Killeen from CIBC

I'd like to start with Bill, if I could. Lots of questions asked on the stockpiles at Fekola, certainly looks like a pretty consistent growth within that number. Could you give us a little more color just on the mining itself? It seems like it's been going well, but just in terms of the blasting, really the blasting unit cost. What's the overall blast sizes that itself reconciling to your blimp?

William Lytle

Management

Well, certainly I mean let's start with the unit cost. There's no way at this point we can talk about unit cost, which is now getting into the hard rock. So we don't really have a handle on that, but certainly, all the initial work that we've done has borne out, but we had in the feasibility. We don't see anything, which is outrageous. We did adjust a little bit originally the design was that we were going to mine just in the Phase 1 pit. But what they decided to do to give themselves a little bit of optionality is actually opened up the phase 1 and Phase 3 pit, so we have about almost 10 million tons of material to include waste and ore that we've taken out of Phase 1 and Phase 3 pit and it all seems to be going very well.

Jeff Killeen

Analyst · Jeff Killeen from CIBC

Okay. And then just a couple of follow-ons. Not thinking about grade numbers or anything like that, but just in terms of being able to recognize ore versus waste as a mining and the transition from oxides to the fresh rock is that pretty much in line with your expectations?

William Lytle

Management

I think -- I'll let the geologist talk a little bit about it, but certainly, everything we've seen has been in line with our expurgation. I don't know as we go deeper what the geologist would say.

Thomas Garagan

Management

You should be able to see it.

Jeff Killeen

Analyst · Jeff Killeen from CIBC

Okay, very well. May be switching to Dale in Masbate. You noted in the MD&A that you're transitioning out of the main thing number one. So for the second half of this year, would it be fair to say that you'll see some movement downward in terms of grade, in terms of recoveries as you get out some of that more lower oxide material out of that Main Vein then to.

Thomas Garagan

Management

The main driver on our throughput and recoveries has been material coming from Colorado Pit and that's going to continue. Remember, we done that we build through the front end of this year, we forecast based on that and held through our forecast numbers. We see 65% to 70% off site processing through the year the majority of that coming from Colorado Pit so that will remain unchanged. So sources go from Main Vein 1 to Main Vein 3. That provides primary ore, the material that was transitioned [indiscernible] off site and its the impact that we see in the oxide content [indiscernible] .

Jeff Killeen

Analyst · Jeff Killeen from CIBC

Okay, very well. So it looks like you could finish very strong there. And then lastly, perhaps for Mike, just on the upsize revolver. Would you expect that you may dip into that any further over the course of this year just to maintain help your cash balance? Or would you look to that just as a potential back stop if there's any hiccups?

Michael Cinnamond

Management

I think we'll accelerated Fekola, the construction schedule. They'll bring it online on October 1. I think we'll different at a little bit more just until you get to that sort of earlier start date at the end of September, start of October because we don't have the balance the last room as operating cash flow so I think we'll dip into a little bit more, but we'll still have a very healthy margin on it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Butler from GMP Securities.

Steven Butler

Analyst · GMP Securities

Guys, the 1.1 million tons at the end of July, Mike, what would be the, Bill, excuse me, what would be the grade approximately in the stockpiles for Fekola?

William Lytle

Management

Well, I think we've been a bit, or a bit dodgy about what the grade is, simply because we don't want people to take the tons and multiply it by the grade and think that's what we're going to produce because it's not a 1 to 1 obviously. Some of it will be blended with hard rock as it goes in. What we are saying is that it certainly is in line with our expectations and we're very confident on what we've got there.

Steven Butler

Analyst · GMP Securities

That's fine. We stretch I think on the last conference call, you said near 4 grams, but we'll take your comments here into consideration. At the Limon, Tom, this new area where you're drilling, remind us again on the I'm looking at the plan map from that to Investor Day, where we located here on this new area of open pit potential?

Thomas Garagan

Management

That's the wonderful thing about Stephen. We didn't actually shown where it is. As you're well aware, Nicaragua has issues with landowners, service landowners and has issues as well with small miners so we tend now to tell people things are hopefully [indiscernible] .

Steven Butler

Analyst · GMP Securities

All right, that's fine. What are you seeing? Are you seeing wider veins than normal here? What sort of more unique or about it? Some upgrade?

Thomas Garagan

Management

It's a little bit wider, the biggest thing about it is because it's shallow dipping and a bit wider, it's all going to be. And as well within the striking distance of the mill, everything that we need.

Steven Butler

Analyst · GMP Securities

There's been history of some open-pit mining or not on the Limon, historically, no?

Thomas Garagan

Management

Well, certainly, Limon has always had an element of open-pit mining to augment mill throughput.

Steven Butler

Analyst · GMP Securities

Okay. And then lastly, at Toga, the Toga party, twega project resources coming here at the end of third quarter. Is that likely to be a combination against year of inferred indicator? What's your kind of characterization of thinking?

Thomas Garagan

Management

It'll be a combination as indicated. Especially in the last [indiscernible] the rate on the edge so they're not going to get indicated.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from Geordie Mark from Haywood Securities.

Geordie Mark

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Just maybe some questions to bill, If I can. On Fekola, when we're looking at the commissioning size, what are you looking as a reasonable time through sort of commissioning through the crushing circuit then? And then a reasonable time once materials have been introduced to the mill to get it through the, I guess leeching and into charge for the carbon throughput?

William Lytle

Management

Yes. So I would be happy to give you my opinion here, but I think John Rajala is on the line and he's probably the most appropriate to answer that question.

John Rajala

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Yes, John here. We're actually commissioning the crushing circuit this week on the waste rock. We have the crushing manufacturer at site so that's going to be completed this week. Most of the work that we're still completing on the process plant is around the grinding mills, and we're expecting to have what we call cold commissioning completed by about mid-September and then after that, we will start feeding the rock into the plant, and we're expecting 0 7 to 14 days on waste rock and then low-grade rock and we should start feeding ore into the mill about October 1, that's our target date. The ramp-up, we expect to be at design capacity by about the end of the year, possibly sooner, depending on how things go.

Geordie Mark

Analyst · Haywood Securities

And then moving over to maybe to Toega, maybe following on from Steve's question there. In terms of the obviously the recent drillings, you showed some interesting results at pit. When you're talking about the breakdown of, I guess indicated from third resources, you're look at ultimately acted that in part effectively being at that and along with that strike extent, is that where you should sort of the see this sort of onion skin or there are other parts [indiscernible] to?

Thomas Garagan

Management

There's got to be a little bit zone, but most of the [indiscernible] downward.

Geordie Mark

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Okay, excellent and with the work on the conduit, if you're looking at the materials, is that similar salt mineralization to what you're seeing at Fekola? Or maybe QE? Or maybe that is something different again?

Thomas Garagan

Management

Well, we're seeing several different -- we've seen something brand new that we've never seen before in that area. We are seeing Fekola well, folder/kiwi mineralization and we have seen a little bit of the sort of vain being style with small miners historically miners do it.

Geordie Mark

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Okay, does that give you a sense of like scale for struck length or width size? What's kind of dimensions you're looking at, is it too early to tell yet?

Thomas Garagan

Management

Its way, way too early to tell you. We have lower grade sections up to 30 meters wide in shear zone mineralization some of the higher grades, 5 to 6 meter range.

Clive Johnson

President

Maybe just, I clarify one thing and that's Steve's question about a greater stockpile if you want to make sure that doesn't mislead at all. So -- and Bill, jump in here, but just maybe I think we need to talk about affirming the models we use today and we have seen some better results than that. We said it before and we need to consider clarifying that. We're confirming our model, but dude also seen areas of better get us we obviously took discussion in the last conference call for Steve's alluding to maybe just cut that would maybe just clarify that because I don't want you to think that we have a high-grade lower graded, so maybe we just need to clarify that. Hopefully, that clarified it's a little bit.

William Lytle

Management

What you're seeing is exactly what, quite. We're not saying that there's anything wrong with the model. We're not saying there's any this is what we're saying is that we're very confident we've got every for as we said last time, we have seen grade above what was expected, and we continue to be very positive on what the model is showing. Certainly, it's reconciled with as at least as good as the model has shown.

Clive Johnson

President

It looks like, okay, operator, there's no further questions?

Operator

Operator

That's correct.

Clive Johnson

President

We want to thank you, all for coming on, and we realize [indiscernible] and thanks for your continued following of B2Gold and your professional reports and your good questions and some of our on the length obviously thanks for them for the support we should be hitting a very exciting time. I have a question for you, the analyst, but I'm not going to put you on the spot. But my question, up at the question to you and then I would maybe have follow up conversation just because my question is about when you have a situation like this and something like Fekola coming on, what point do analysts start to step out a little bit more and start to say yes, after PF today, you can argue the value of value appears at 550,000 ounces, but when way when they get to the next two months these guys call it on I don't think many of you have been betting against our ability to get this mine going to have a lot of ounces for sure. So I guess as I said, I'm not putting in this, but maybe begin talk about this after, but I'm just really curious how you guys see that when you have such a huge impact coming up so to assume here that if someone shows some of our shows, that our clients you talk to sometimes I just like to get a sense of what you're hearing back is that the time so we need to get through to 6 on your belt, relationship, this is the real or directly set this year at some point starting to happen, sooner or later, you've got gold price moving and as I said, if you look at our chart and line up where with obsessed with a present if you look at our chart for the last explicable to see what did that given the time closer to Fekola and given our relatively very good performance and not equity et cetera. So that's quite a bit, I'm sure you're reading it right now. Maybe we can some of the if you want to invite you to give me a call, and I like your feedback into that that kind of thing, so we have a bit of the right idea of what to expect maybe there's a better way we can position ourselves or at least communicate to people because I know you understand on this call, but it's obviously so we'll leave it there. I would ask you to call me, so okay. All right, well, thanks, everybody, thanks for the participation. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.