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Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, May 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Brixmor Property Group Inc., First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Stacy Slater. Please go ahead.

Stacy Slater

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Brixmor’s first quarter conference call. With me on the call today are Jim Taylor, Chief Executive Officer and President; and Angela Aman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, as well as Mark Horgan, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer; and Brian Finnegan, Executive Vice President, Leasing, who will be available for Q&A. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that some of our comments today may contain forward-looking statements that are based on certain assumptions and are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings and actual future results may differ materially. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Also we will refer today to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Further information regarding our use of these measures and reconciliations of these measures to our GAAP results are available in the earnings release and supplemental disclosure on the Investor Relations portion of our website. Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit your questions to one or two per person. If you have additional questions regarding the quarter, please re-queue. At this time, it's my pleasure to introduce Jim Taylor.

James Taylor

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thanks, Stacy, and thanks everyone for joining our call. I am very pleased to report that our team continues to execute on all facets of our balance self-funded business plan. In fact, we set new records in terms of first quarter volume lease and total ABR as we also deliver better tenants and better run and we continue to deliver our value of creative reinvestment on-time and on-budget. However, before delving into our actual results and outlook I wanted to offer some perspective on the retail environment overall. Recently announced bankruptcy coupled with a growing number of store closures, have cast a pall over the entire retail landscape. Many fear that what we are observing is a secular change and perhaps for some formats it is. It seems a week doesn't pass without some well placed media about the take no prisoners approach, including the prisoner named Mr. Prophet, a detailers impacting the profitability of traditional retailers. Concerns of also focused on the growing shadow supply of boxes and the functional obsolescence of certain retail formats. These are all valid concerns, but no means novel. Creative destruction has and always will be part of the retail landscape. In fact, the recent bankruptcies and store closures have been a long and painfully slow time coming. Low interest rates and capital available have kept certain concepts going that long ago had lost their relevance to the consumer. Seeing as coming is why in past quarters I’ve focused on Brixmor’s outperformance and releasing recaptured boxes such as those recaptured from A&P and Sports Authority. We did then and do now fully expect that they'll be more space coming back. So it may seem a bit ironic against this backdrop that I'm even more confident about the opportunities for Brixmor then when I joined…

Angela Aman

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead

Thanks, Jim, and good morning. I am to report a strong quarter, our financial and operational performance as we continue to execute on our balanced and self-funded business plan. FFO for the fourth quarter was $0.53 per share representing growth of 4.4% excluding non-cash GAAP rental income and lease terminations fees. This growth was primarily driven by higher same property NOI and a lower interest expense. As we've continued to refinance high cost secured debt and the unsecured market at a lower rate. Same Property NOI growth was 3.2% in the first quarter, well above the indication we gave on last quarter's call that this quarter's growth rate would be at or below the low end of our full-year guidance range of 2% to 3%. This outperformance was largely driven by base rent which contributed 250 basis points to same property growth during the quarter. Provision for doubtful accounts which contributed 80 basis points and percentage rent, which contributed 40 basis points. The stronger than expect to our original expectation we continue to see the benefit of organizational changes made over the last 12 months, including enhancements in our leasing, marketing and tenant coordination functions all of which are yielding economic results even in a challenging retail environment. The contribution from provision for doubtful accounts reflects both successful recoveries of previously reserved a written-off amount as well as a smaller impact from bankruptcy activity relative to last year. Overall across the portfolio the aging of our receivables continues to improve and the health of our small shop tenancy in particular remains strong. The outperformance and percentage rent this quarter with attributable to both the timing of payments received as well as significant year-over-year increases from a variety of tenants particularly in the entertainment and restaurant category. Network coverage detracted 40…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Alexander Goldfarb with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning.

James Taylor

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Hey, how are you Jim? First question for you, if you just step back and look at your results over the past year and the performance and then you read the news headlines, there's sort of a definitely diametrically opposed events that are going on between what you guys and other retail folks are reporting versus the newspapers. In your view, do you see this is sort of like the budding storm in a year or two from now? Or going to see a much bigger wave of retailer distress and therefore what seems to be that the industry is handling and you guys are handling is going to open up or from what you're seeing from the tenant discussions there is nothing in there that at all indicates any future rumblings of something bigger that's about to happen?

James Taylor

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Alex remember that within our segment, our core retailers are strong and they're growing sales, so as I look out at the future for Brixmor now in the open air format, generally I feel pretty good. I do think that the pace of bankruptcies has picked up and as I mentioned in my remarks I expect more to come in part because there are a number of concepts that have lost their relevance to the consumer that have been able to continue to survive based on low interest rates and capital availability. We're getting ahead of that. And for us in particular for Brixmor, we see those that turnover and volatility really is an opportunity to drive accelerated leasing and replacement of those tenants. And as it relates to what we're seeing behind some of those weaker concepts, we see continued innovation in growth in all those categories I mentioned whether it's grocery, fitness, entertainment, restaurants, value and importantly we offer those types of tenants a compelling format in which to do well. So we don't have a lot of full price fashion, in fact I think fashion full price probably represents less than 3% of our ABR. And I think there are other retailers who struggled a bit in this environment to remain competitive by losing sight of what it is their customer really want. I'm a strong believer in the retail business generally, its ability to continue to innovate and adapt and thrive, and I feel real good about what our business plan looks like over the coming years

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay. And then as a follow-up to that, again looking at the releasing spreads the you guys have been able to maintain, are you seeing – what's the competitive set like from your competitive landlords, are you seeing them become more aggressive and therefore you think that maybe these releasing spreads aren’t maintainable or I guess that’s not really worked, but maintainable when other landlords are trying to fill vacancy or in your view the tenants are really sticking to the better centers and therefore even someone with a lower rent it's not really having the impact on your ability to push rents and maintain these releasing spreads?

James Taylor

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

I think it's always been a competitive landscape and it gets down to the actual location in terms of who you're competing with, but when I look at our pipeline which remains very strong and that's several quarters of transaction is a very healthy spread, and I think importantly about our basis which gives us a great competitive advantage with which to compete in our well located retail nodes. I still feel pretty good about our ability to drive that double-digit roll over growth. And again, it's asset by asset and specific, but generally we feel real good about what we have in the pipeline looking forward and again it's always been competitive Alex. So I don't see that changing.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Ki Bin Kim with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thanks and good morning.

James Taylor

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Good morning.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

So following up on the Alex’s last question, if I think about the bricks and mortar value proposition to investors, it was always about A) part of it was about under cap lags portfolio that with a lower TLC can grind out higher leasing stats in NOI. But in today's retail environment what are you seeing on the edges of – maybe in your pipeline or how your kind of negotiations are going? Is there any hints of hesitation from tenants that even with CapEx that maybe going into less demographically attractive locations might be, there maybe less willing today than they were maybe couple years ago? Are you seeing any hint of that?

James Taylor

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Well I’d first say that our locations are very attractive to the retailers that were doing business. I mean we're doing better volumes than any of our peers and we're driving I think really compelling growth as we negotiate those deals with the tenants. And importantly, if you think about our business plan as evolve we are more aggressively capital of recycling you have been so that as we're selling out of some of these markets where we see last robust retailer demand and reinvesting in markets that we do see it - that will be a continuous thing that we're always doing and I think any discipline steward of capital in this segment should be doing. But what's also different about how we're approaching the business going forward and what I'm really excited about is we're not simply pursuing occupancy, but we're actually making these well located centers better we are making them more relevant to the consumers they serve. So if you look at what we did for example with the H-Mart, an old A&P box in Yonkers, New York. We've totally transformed that center and we're not only going to drive great returns on that specific deal, but we have great out parcels and new in line space that we can add there or the new urban target that we added Ivy Ridge outside of Philadelphia. Again transforming that center getting great incremental returns or the reposition of the Winn-Dixie at Miami Gardens with the fresh going off. These types of value of creative transactions that we're doing, our tenants are finding pretty compelling and all you need to do really is just look at the volume and the types of tenants that we're doing deals with and you'll see that we're attracting best-in-class tenants in each of these segments and I am in particular excited about how we're growing and we're measuring our market share with some of these new and expanding concepts that we think are very relevant. So I think again we're well-positioned to outperform here and I would just suggest you that our locations are proving themselves based on the leasing activities that were generating don't just listen to me look at the arm's-length transactions we are executing every quarter to refill the space that we're getting back.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. And Jim you mention a couple of things on operating stat or market share or volumes that your tenants are doing? Any of those stats that you can share with us that might provide a better light.

James Taylor

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Well, in terms of the tenants that we're doing deals with you know we are the largest landlord to T.J. Maxx and Kroger, but we're continuing to grow our share with those concept also we did our first Sprout deal this quarter we're doing more transactions with LA Fitness also continuing to grow our exposure with Trader Joe's, Burlington Coat is rapidly growing and anybody who is following what that company is doing is quite impressive in terms of how they really understand the merchandising end of the business and how they're drawing in more and more affluent customer into the stores. I think they're doing a phenomenal job to specialty fitness concept like Orange Theory, we signed a deal there to what we're doing on the restaurant front chipolata. We're going to be doing some Shake Shack deals going forward. So we're getting great penetration into the quick serve concepts where we have I think a tremendous growth opportunity in part because we have over a couple 100 outparcel opportunities that we’ve not attack within this portfolio to what we're doing on the entertainment side and you know my hats-off to Brian and Mike in terms of responding to my challenge when I came in here that we have to broaden our leasing coverage not just to cover the core tenancy that I referred to in Kroger, Public, T.J. Maxx Ross et cetera. But also some of these concepts that are growing. So as I look at our market share which we measure, Sprouts opens up 25 locations this year how many did we get I see as improving measurably in each of those three categories.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Well, I guess that's what I was referring to more so maybe like I occupancy cost transfer whatever you're measuring for whichever times you're measuring or where sales volumes and I was wondering more particularly those kind of stats, If you had any…?

James Taylor

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Oh! Yes I am sorry, yes, we are as I mentioned in my remarks our tenants are growing sales with then the portfolio and when you guide into that the occupancy cost specifically by tenant which I'm not going to share where in very healthy territory. Our average is in the mid single-digits. Importantly for our grocer tenants, which is the one you really need to look at then on our average occupancy causes around 2%. So and we have great productivity out of those grocers you continue to see some good sales growth. So again productive locations well occupancy cost low rent basis gives us a lot of flexibility to respond and upgrade our tenancy and make our centers better.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you.

James Taylor

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thank you, Ki Bin.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Todd Thomas of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

James Taylor

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Hey, Todd.

Todd Thomas

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning. So on the food and beverage side, either quick service or a full service restaurants, where is that as a category in terms of exposure of GLA or base rent and then your comments around seeing demand there, where do you think you can take that exposure within the portfolio? And then it also – is it your sense that these are net new units or they moving from other centers and consolidating to your portfolio and other well located centers?

James Taylor

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yes, our overall exposure to restaurants in particular many of those categories, I would characterize as why mid single-digit, I think it needs to be higher. I referred to the fact that when you look at our portfolio, we do have a number of out partial opportunities that remain to be harvested and we're aggressively getting after that. But importantly we're also making sure that we're growing our average as some of the growing quick serve concepts, I’ll let Brian talk a little more about that.

Brian Finnegan

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Todd, hey, this is Brian. We talked about before growing restaurants is important in our portfolio and we did 32 this quarter, we continue to see good franchise concepts entering new markets. We did our first deal with all guys in Southern California concept here, of New York – as a Philadelphia guy, checking and feeds for feedings new local concepts, we put them last quarter at malls. And so we are challenging the team both with local concepts and as well as Jim mentioned in terms of the challenge to our team corporately, we are looking at deals with Shake Shack. We are seeing deals that bringing happens from the West Coast to the East Coast. We're working with some larger concepts like Yard House. So we feel like there's a lot of room to run and we have more – as we invest more in our centers we'll have plenty more opportunity for new and exciting restaurant concepts.

Todd Thomas

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay, and then just a question on investments for Mark maybe, have you seen any change in cap rates or buyer expectations around where they would be willing to transact as you bring more assets to the market? And then just given where your cost of capital is and obviously it's been a volatile market. How does that impact your capital recycling efforts here either on dispositions or for new acquisitions just given where pricing is in the private market?

Mark Horgan

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Sure. A couple of questions there, the first one I think was, changing cap rates. We really haven't seen a changing cap rates across the markets and one thing to think about when we see some of the single asset markets, we don't think we've seen cap rates to change in those markets for some time. What we transacted on in the first quarter, we sold three assets as you mentioned in those 7% cap rate range in three single markets, more rural markets. And to give you a sense for demand on those assets, one asset is actually preempted above the high end of our price and expectations. And the second one was actually spurn a bit of a mini bidding between local investors, which a lot of the push pricing. So I think if you look at those kind of single market assets, we’re going to continue to see that kind of execution given the low equity checks, financing and very attractive financing environment. And frankly interest own best-in-class assets, which we own many times in the single asset market both from local investors and institutions broadly from as we've gone through the sales processes, we've seen assets continue to sell strong pricing in a number of markets including suburban Atlanta, where we saw an asset very close to other asset settled down in the low five. We saw an issuing trade Mobile, Alabama for a power center. We've seen good trade in Southern California, Houston, Philadelphia, Chicago, mid-Atlantic. So we've seen interesting trades in many, many areas across the country. So we think we'll take advantage of that as we bring more out of the market over time and one area we're seeing some pricing differential generally is for those larger traditional regional power centers, five to 10 years old, but generally flat NOIs. We do see smaller bit lists for that assets, but that's really offset by heavy demand for gross anchored assets that have value added opportunities or large rental market opportunities and I think we're going to continue to see that kind of pricing bifurcation in the market today. And ultimately as we think about our capital recycling is as you mentioned in his remarks itself funded. So we're going to be selling assets at what we think we have talked of pricing and finding good reinvestment opportunities either for internal in our portfolio or for external acquisitions.

Todd Thomas

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you.

James Taylor

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thanks Todd.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Samir Khanal with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Samir Khanal

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead

Good morning, guys. Just on your guidance, when I look at that 2% to 3% number, I’m just trying to understand how much occupancy loss sort of beyond what we know now is baked into guidance, especially kind of the low end of the range the 2%. And Angela you spoke about hhgregg, Payless, rue21, I'm just trying to figure out what other occupancy loss could get you sort of towards the low end?

Angela Aman

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead

Yes. Thanks for the question Samir. I would just say that given where we are in the year, we still have maintained 100 basis point range on same property NOI growth. When you step back and look at it, obviously we have a set of circumstances as we know them today from all the retailers I mentioned, but the range would incorporate both better outcomes in terms of later store closings or fewer store closings as well as at the lower end. Accelerated store closings or more than is currently anticipated or additional retailer disruption. So we've been able to absorb everything that's happened in 2017 very comfortably within the range do in part to the outperformance in Q1, but also because our range at the beginning of the year certainly contemplated that we would see an elevated level of retailer disruption. And we're comfortable that based on what we know today from the retailers we mentioned as well as potential additional distress in the market we should be able to comfortably maintain that range for the full-year.

Samir Khanal

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks guys.

James Taylor

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead

Thank you, Samir.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Christy McElroy with Citi. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Good morning. This is [indiscernible] on for Christy. Can you walk us through your total exposure, the retailer sort of announced bankruptcies or large closures so far in 2017, and how much of that space do you now have – that you expect to get back at this point?

Angela Aman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Yes. Our total exposure from the names I mentioned is about 125 basis points of ABR for the full-year. Obviously, the impact to 2017 is much more muted given that most of that space won’t come back to us until the late second quarter or early third quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then can you talk about the difference in timing and capital required three tenant a larger sports authority type boxes versus smaller source like Payless. And maybe you provide some color on the back sell demand you're seeing for each of those formats?

Brian Finnegan

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Sure, Katy. This is Brian. In terms of capital we haven't seen that measure of a pick up in terms from an anchor perspective and we're really happy with where we ended up on the sports authority is really with the range of uses that we have with home, grocery and entertainment. So we really haven't seen an elevated level of capital there and particularly on the small shops there's typically less capital spend in those spaces as a percentage and where those locations are in the center and the demand we're seeing for Payless in the 3,000 square foot range as well as for rue21 in 5,000 to 10,000 square feet with pet stores with home accessories, operators like Five Below. We feel the demand is overall pretty good. And I think our team’s track record as Jim has mentioned is, this team has performed very, very well when we're getting spaces back. As Jim mentioned, we've already addressed roughly 80% of the bankruptcies last year, our sports authority rents as close to the 70% spread. And we feel pretty good about the demand that we're seeing in hhgregg so far with the categories that Jim mentioned. And also those that we're starting to really have more progress like entertainment with our first day in bolsters that we did at the end of the year. We opened our first main event in Orlando. So feel good about the progress we're making and we'll be back to you soon on how that ends up.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Vincent Chao with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Brian Finnegan

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Hey, Vince.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Just wanted to go back to the acquisition side of things, you talked about the cap rates on the dispo side, the deal for the Arborland, I mean I think that was a marketed deal, but I guess can you talk about a little bit what you see in that asset, it seems like it's pretty full from an occupancy perspective, so guessing that there's a mark-to-market opportunity, but just if you could talk a little bit about the opportunity there longer term?

James Taylor

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes. Let me start that and I'll hand it over to Mark. We can’t be excited about this asset which by the way was one of the early assets on our targeted acquisition. As we looked at our retail nodes and assets with which we are competing that we thought would be compelling. Arborland was on that list, so we were able to be opportunistic when it came to the market as part of actually a package of five or six centers being marketed by AM cap and their partners in the State of Utah, ultimately we did just on Arborland convinced that the portfolio would break up which in fact it did and the pricing that we got on Arborland was just under a six cap. But what we see there is an incredibly well located these of real estate with the ability to get after this mark-to-market opportunities throughout the center because we do believe that the rents are well below market and improve the offering that they're for that great location on watching on road. So it both about then mark-to-market opportunities in terms of some of the existing boxes as well as redevelopment opportunities particularly if you look at the right side of the center and the left front. So more to come there stay tuned and I can tell you where hard at work there but we're really excited about Mark and team being able to capture that in the focus and intention really of having identify that asset as being something that was critical to our presence in Arbor.

Mark Horgan

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

The only other comments I would add is that you know that the quarter whereas positioned you know has really shown great improvement the last 10 years and so we're excited by the tenant demand we're seeing at the site today. And frankly that the site today is over apartment is done in perspective we think over time we'll be able to take advantage of that as well.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay. And then maybe going back to the retail side and some of the disruption that we're seeing today. You talked about 125 basis points just from known bankruptcies that would hit later in the year, but I guess as you think about the additional potential bankruptcies it sounds like you anticipating some more is that also a mixture of bankruptcies and closures and I know you don't give termination guidance or you don't provide that in your guidance, but is it reasonable to think that terminations will be up, it's stores are closing as opposed to going bankrupt? Is that part of the…

James Taylor

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

As Angela mentioned that 125 basis points that's our total exposure to the announced bankruptcies. I wish we could get all that space back the likelihood as we want. Some of that will be the same and some of them will remain opening - open through the 11 New York as many of these locations are profitable and they have low occupancy costs. And as we look beyond that you know I don't want to comment on specific retailers of course but what we're doing aggressively is when we have a chance to get control of the box for a category or a concept that we don't think is vibrant or compelling to that particular center we're aggressively re-tenanting that and if you look at our track record as I mentioned in our in our prepared remarks at replacing a lot of the big boxes I would stack it up against anyone. And as we think about 2017 and 2018 and beyond where we feel very good about the position that we are in to capitalize on this turmoil. So you know it may cause near-term volatility because it's impossible to predict accurately what will happen through New York and how many of the stores will be assumed or not and et cetera, et cetera, but where marketing all that space is if we have full control of it. So that when it happens we're in a position to respond quickly and you know just look again at what the team did with those 16 bankruptcies most of which were controlled in the latter half of 2016. We were able to practically get after and retenant more than the risk that was there 80% of the GLA and again bring in much more relevant concepts across a variety of uses. So I fully expect and market forward to be a bit more bumpy in terms of retailers finally getting it but again the core of our tendency remains incredibly strong and we see far more new concepts and many more segments being interested and moving into the open air formats that we like our position.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay and just one last one if I could here just we all talk about sort of the macro picture in terms of retailers and all these pressures facing them and acceleration of closings. But as you look at sort of the bottom of the portfolio you look at your watch list today and maybe incorporate some of the maturities - debt maturities that they may have coming due it seems like you know as we look at sort of Moody's do you think that that could be on the rise in the next couple years. As you think about that exposure, this 2018 feel like it's going to be better than 2017 or could it be worse?

James Taylor

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes, I expect it's going to be about where we are right now. I mean so more elevated and what you saw over the last couple of years, but I think certain concepts are going to adapt and thrive and others are. I don't see it materially accelerating and 2018. I think though it's going to be higher than it was really for the five to six years coming out of the recession as you had a number of these concepts just fail to stay relevant to the consumer. What I'm actually excited about the innovation that's occurring and they're growing demand for a broader array of uses for well located community and neighborhood centers that are near where the customers live and the relevance of the uses, the customers that continue to drive traffic and sales. So we are looking out well beyond this year. We're looking at 2018 and 2019 and making sure that as we run this business as Stewart's for your capital that we're thinking about it. But I don't see a market uptick in activity, but I don't think we're going to be as quiet as we were for example in 2014 or 2015.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

James Taylor

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

You bet.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Craig Schmidt with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Justin Hicks

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Hi, this is Justin actually on for Craig. One question, as you and new anchors to your centers that are hopefully a more compelling trough for the consumer than what was previously there, have you seen a shift in or to the type of demand from the small shops like more of a quality type retailer, then other centers?

James Taylor

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

It's a great question and thank you. The short answer is, yes and you're seeing the improvement already in our small shop tenancy based on the help of those tenants, our collection, the dropping number of past due accounts and importantly when we do put in a new anchor, we see an uptick and occupancy in those centers of 600 to 800 basis points in the small shop. In fact the average occupancy for the centers that we have in our redevelopment pipeline, but active in shadow is several 100 basis points below our portfolio average. So we're looking forward to capturing that kind of follows through benefit that frankly is not factored into our initial returns on the space that we're touching. So I really appreciate the question, because I think its part of what sets this up for a great long-term growth.

Justin Hicks

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Great, thanks Jim. And then maybe just one for Angela, you mentioned a pickup in dispositions in the coming quarters. I'm just curious like as you look at these centers you're targeting for dispositions, are there any common traits that you see across the centers whether it be regionally or demographically or the types of kind of makes you have?

James Taylor

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Let me add start, I may actually handed over to Mark, but we are focused on making sure that over time we continue to cluster our investments and retail knows that we think have good overall supply demand characteristics, as we did in Ann Arbor as we did in Escondido, California. And as we look at our assets that we have in single asset markets that represents kind of a having decision, right either we're going to grow in that market or we should accept because I don't think just having one asset in the market is a good long-term strategy. I’m going to let Mark talk a little bit more about the nature of those assets under the 10%.

Mark Horgan

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yes, I think what's important to say when you look at some of those single market assets, the number one thing we try to do as is maximize the value. We're not just looking to sell them – just to sell them for example at – in Perry marketplace. We have an anchor box where we double the rent upon a rollover. We have the grocer to renew and then we cut that max value, so we sold that and we kind of great interest. We also look at future NOI growth. So when we have flat NOIs, we will certainly try this NOIs when we have a chance and we also look at assets where we think over time, we may not see growth and we will talk at those dispositions, but it's not just selling a single market because or single market that's when we can maximize value for those assets.

Justin Hicks

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Thanks, that helps a lot. I guess just one last follow-up to that would be if you have a retailer watch list for future bankruptcies or store closures to those retailers does that bump up a center if they have that particular retailer for disposition?

James Taylor

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

It certainly could, but it really depends on where we see the rent mark-to-market on those opportunities. And when we see large rent mark-to-market opportunities, we would rather hold that and generate that rent mark-to-market opportunity and just sell it. If we see a center that has a weak demand and we're worried about it that it will certainly come up closer to the top of the disposition list.

Justin Hicks

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

That's clear. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Karin Ford with MUFG. Please go ahead.

Karin Ford

Analyst · MUFG. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning. Some of your peers have discussed a more radical approach to redevelopment in excess land and infill locations, things like densification, multifamily, can you just give us your thoughts on that?

James Taylor

Analyst · MUFG. Please go ahead

Thanks for the question. I think we have a number of locations that may ultimately and profitably, okay, profitably support that type of use whether it's the mall and you see data 163rd in Miami, Mira Mesa down in San Diego. In fact, one of the things that excited to be most when I came into the company was I saw a number of assets that might longer term support additional densification and other types of uses. But I think that in the near-term, we have a lot of much lower hanging fruit to capitalize on. And I want to make sure that we've got a lot of that good investment activity under our belt before we attempt to transfer more of that upside from the assets and locations that we own, but just because you don't hear us talking a lot about it right now. I don't want anybody to conclude that these locations such as Roseville and Philadelphia wouldn't support much higher density. I just think we have the time to be patience and we also have a lot in our pipeline that we can execute upon now, it's much simpler, shorter duration, higher return, and I think much more attractive from an overall risk-adjusted return perspective.

Karin Ford

Analyst · MUFG. Please go ahead

That makes sense. Thanks for that. And my last question is on in the last quarter’s call you said you’re very focused on Sears and Kmart boxes that might be for sale, can you just give us an update on your discussion with Sears?

James Taylor

Analyst · MUFG. Please go ahead

Yes. Thank you for that question as well. Our discussions with Sears continues. They are a great partner. We have nothing concrete to report on this call, but we are very focused on identifying those locations that we might be able to recapture early. I'm real pleased with what we did this quarter, in fact if you look at the transaction Elizabethtown, Kentucky is a real out of that store to an at home which by the way looks phenomenal and it’s drawing big crowds to the sale of Macon, Georgia where we had another Kmart. So we're steadily working on proactively reducing our exposure and if they tune on the Kmart discussions, again can't report anything right now, but we're very focused on being able to tap into this under rent boxes.

Karin Ford

Analyst · MUFG. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Linda Tsai with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Linda Tsai

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Hi. Taking a step back given oversupply in the apparel and other commodity products like electronics and office supply, the industry is seeing the closures play out now, but it also seems like Amazon Fresh is getting more aggressive. There's the possibility that grocery chains who aren't adequately investing in their distribution systems could also be vulnerable. Are you seeing anything here in the market that would suggest over time you might dedicate less square footage to grocery stores?

James Taylor

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

I'm not seeing anything globally like that. I’m seeing many of our stronger grocers respond very well in a low margin environment in a very competitive environment to the competition they face, and in the process they're in fact grabbing market share from some specialty grocers. I think Kroger’s quick list initiatives which we're very active and implementing in our portfolio is a great way that they're valuing the time of their customer and responding to online competition. And in doing it they're greatly improving the productivity in their stores that’s overall supported and are actively partnering with Kroger in that regard. But look I think it's an industry that has been competitive and always will be competitive. Recall 10, 15 years ago as Supercenters were threatening traditional grocers’ space, it eliminated a lot of weaker performing grocers. So as we think about our grocer box inventory if you well and the potential for future grocers were always focused on making sure that those grocers are productive that they're generating sales and importantly that we have reasonable occupancy costs. So that that really is what goes into our mix rather than sort of industry call if you will all about the state in house of grocers generally, as I think there are great platforms that are going to continue to evolve to meet the needs of their customers and I'm also very excited to see them implementing some of the technological initiatives that make the overall in-store experience a lot more customer friendly. And as I see Amazon investing in some of these concepts, don't forget that great merchants like Kroger and Publix and others are going to be taking those and figuring out what are the better technologies to implement in their stores to continue to attract and grow market share.

Linda Tsai

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Thanks.

James Taylor

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

You bet.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Hey Haendel.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Good morning. So Jim I have a question for you. So I guess looking at Page 28 of your sub and comparing new lease net expected rent, clearly there is a slowing trend the last couple of years, I understand that some of that is a function of late cycle, slowing growth. But I’m wondering how much of that might be mix of perhaps in responds to just increase tenant leverage today, maybe a higher CapEx type that was involved? And then what is the suggest for prospective read of returns or perhaps the targeted returns you seek in your underwriting?

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

I’m going to let Angela to take that, but there is a bit of noise in this quarter.

Angela Aman

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Yes. As you look at the last couple of quarters, I would note that one on mix between anchor and small shop has definitely changed that number. So last two quarters have been about 50% anchor as opposed to the two quarters before that which were more 30% to 40% percent anchor, and so that's definitely skewed the number down a little bit. I'd also note that the transaction that Jim mentioned a couple of times the replacement of Kmart with At Home. We've got a very significant rent spread 30% to 40%. But that also skewed the number down. So the $12.7 you see on the net effect of front page would have been over $12.80 excluding that one transaction.

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

And then what we did have a fitness still the quarter from a capital perspective that skew that number off and certainly as you think about fitness uses, they traditionally well require more capital per foot, particularly LA Fitness and getting to their prototype. So we're not seeing a trend in terms of the numbers that we're reporting, but as you can imagine, it's always been competitive. And the good news is we're going into some of these discussions with great locations in a rent basis that even if we have to get incremental capital to win a particular deal we can do it profitably, but we're not seeing material change and that trends as Brian alluded to in his comments the CapEx for numbers are holding pretty steady. And I would say that our net effect of trends, which many of our peers front and close but what we do are very compelling on a relative basis.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Okay. I got a lot out of that, but just to understand clearly. So we should expect that number to continue to moderate perhaps slowly over the next couple quarters, but it's not necessarily indicative of anything too particular in your portfolio and it's not impacting your redoes returns and so it's somewhat of mix at this point?

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

No again, I don't think we expect it to moderate. I think it will change as the mix of tenancy changes as Angela alluded to so we're doing more or less anchor spaces that will drives the number up and down. But in terms of what we're seeing up for redevelopment and you can see we added a bunch of additional projects this quarter. Importantly, we're getting the opportunities at least and we're getting them done at great incremental returns. So I've actually pretty excited about the shadow pipeline and the activity that you're going to hear from us on future call. So again it's something that I've been saying a lot. Just watch what we're delivering, watch what's moving through our pipeline and watch what we're adding to our shadow pipeline you can see that that is not moderating that the pace and the attractiveness of those return is increasing and I think quite compelling.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Okay. And the one follow-up if I may, you talked about the potential pick up accelerate disposition just curious beyond the desire to acquire asset fund read off? How are you thinking about stock buybacks these days now that Blackstone is out of the stock your stock is well more valued today and your balance sheet metrics are materially improved versus a couple quarters back?

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Well, I think you hit on in your last point our first consideration which is balance sheet we want to make sure that anything we're doing is responsible from a capital flexibility standpoint and would be leverage neutral, but yes we have and will continue to consider as an incremental capital allocation tool, share repurchases and addition of the capital recycling we've talked about and a lot of that's going to be driven by or continued success asset sales which we - as we've alluded to expect the ramp in the coming quarters.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

Thank you.

James Taylor

Analyst · Mizuho. Please go ahead

You bet.

Operator

Operator

The next question is a follow-up from Ki Bin Kim with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thanks. A quick one here. You're straight line rents increased a little bit this quarter is that any reason for that and is that the kind you were run rate going forward?

Angela Aman

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Hey, Ki Bin, this quarter really has a lot to do not number can be a little that volatile and has a lot to do with the pool of leases that are starting commencing straight line versus the pool of leases that are rolling off I think you should expect to see that number trend back to where it's been over the last three or four quarters, starting next quarter. And again we did increase full-year expectation for all non-cash rental income by about the amount of the straight line outperformance this quarter.

Ki Bin Kim

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Stacy Slater for closing remarks.

Stacy Slater

Analyst

Thank you everyone for joining us today. We look forward to seeing many of you at the upcoming ICSC annually conferences.