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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 25, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the Popular Inc. Third Quarter 2016 Earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. And now I'll turn the call over to the Investor Relations Officer at Popular Inc. Brett Scheiner.

Brett Scheiner

Analyst

Good morning. And thank you for joining us on today’s call. Today I am joined by our Chairman and CEO, Richard Carrion; our CFO, Carlos Vazquez; and our CRO, Lidio Soriano, who will review our third quarter results and then answer your questions. They will be joined in the Q&A session by other members of our management team. Before we start, I would like to remind you that on today’s call, we may make forward-looking statements that are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are set forth within today’s earnings press release and are detailed in our SEC filings, our financial quarterly release and supplements. You may find today’s press release and our SEC filings on our webpage at popular.com. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Richard Carrion.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Good morning. And thank you for joining the call. I'd like to address the highlights and key events of the third quarter. Then I'll present an update on our business and our thoughts regarding the fiscal and economic situation in Puerto Rico. Carlos will comment on the quarter's financial results and Lidio will provide an update of credit trends and metrics. Please turn to Slide number 2. In the third quarter, Popular reported net income of $47 million, which includes the impact of the $55 million adverse award on the recent arbitration with the FDIC? Adjusted net income totaled $95 million, up $4 million from last quarter’s adjusted results. We continue to generate strong revenues with capital levels well above peer averages. Tangible book value was $44.86, up from $44.62 last quarter. Our net interest income was down $7 million from the prior quarter. Our net interest margin of 4.12% declined from last quarter’s 4.33% of the result of lower yields on the Westernbank portfolio. Lower yields on increased liquidity due to high public sector deposits and slightly higher funding cost in the US. Our spreads remain strong relative to peers with our Puerto Rico net interest margin of 4.49%. We’re also encouraged by the trends in our U.S. business, particularly the continued strong commercial loan production. Total NPAs this quarter up $805 million including covered loans were down $30 million from last quarter’s $836 million mostly due to the PREPA sale in the quarter. Non-covered NPLs were $579 million or 2.6% of non-covered loans, up $2 million from last quarter. NPL inflows decreased by $6 million mainly due to reduction in Puerto Rico commercial inflows of $40 million, offset in part by an increase in Puerto Rico mortgage inflows of $8 million. Our net charge-off were $35 million, or…

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Richard and good morning. Slide 4 presents our GAAP financial results for the third quarter. Slide 5 shows our calculation of adjusted net income with additional information available in the appendix. Today's earnings press release detailed variances in the second quarter with lower net interest income and higher operating expenses. FDIC loss share expense increased meaningfully due to the previously announced $55 million charge resulting from the FDIC arbitration. Net interest income for the third quarter was $354 million, down $7 million from the second quarter mostly due to lower balances and yield in our Westernbank portfolio. Our margin was 4.12%, down from 4.33% last quarter due to lower yields on the Westernbank portfolio and lower yield on cash and securities that result from increased liquidity mostly from higher public sector deposits. The average yield of our $1.8 billion Westernbank loan portfolio decreased to 8.65% from 9.94% last quarter, reverting to levels similar to those of the first quarter of 2016. As previously disclosed, a portion of the elevated yield last quarter was due to resolution of various cases. As was the case in Q2, changes in expected cash flows of individual relationships can make the yield and this portfolio volatile. Over time, we expect this yield to decline as a result of repayment and loan resolutions. Excluding the Westernbank loans, we benefit from relatively stable loan yields in the rest of our portfolio. The cost of our interest bearing deposits was up two basis points to 57 basis points on higher cost of time deposits in the US. We continue to deliver organic commercial loan growth in our US operation with quarterly growth of 4%. While 2016 loan balances would likely be stable, in 2017 we anticipate slight growth in overall loan balances with the US more…

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · RBC

Thank you, Carlos, and good morning. Despite challenging economic and fiscal conditions in our main market, overall asset quality remains stable during the third quarter. In Puerto Rico, credit metrics reflect lower net charge offs, lower NPLs, lower NPA and lower NPL inflows as compared to the previous quarter. In the U.S., credit metrics reflect stable NPLs, stable inflows into NPL and low net charge-offs. Key events during the quarter included the sale of return off credit cards and personal loans in Puerto Rico that resulted in $7 million recovery and the sale of the PREPA loan have resulted in a gain on sale of $8.5 million. As Richard covered on slide number 3, our current outstanding direct exposure to the Puerto Rico Government, municipalities and other instrumentalities is $524 million, decreasing by $58 million from last quarter mainly due to the sales of PREPA loan coupled with schedule principal payments received on existing loans. Our total outstanding exposure to the Central Government and public corporations is minimal, representing only 0.6% of total Tier 1 capital. As we have discussed in the past, most of Popular’s direct Puerto Rico Government exposure is in the form of municipal loans and not securities. Our municipality exposure consists of senior priority loans to a select group of municipalities whose revenues are independent of the Central Government. These exposures are carefully underwritten book of business with senior interest in the municipalities identified revenues and cash flow. Our top four exposures are to Carolina where the airport and several major tourist hotels are located. San Juan, the capital of Puerto Rico where now the municipality with the highest per capita income and by amount, the second most Popular’s municipality. These four municipalities comprise approximately 74% of our total municipality exposure and combined have operating surplus…

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Lidio. And please turn to Slide 10. Before we open the lines to question, let me conclude today's remarks by reviewing the actions we've been taking to drive shareholder value. Our healthy revenue generation and our leading market position in Puerto Rico allow us to earn above average margins. We're encouraged by the progress in our U.S. operation and by the strength of our Puerto Rico franchise. In spite of the difficult macro environment, we continue to see stability in our main credit quality indicator, or remaining attentive to fiscal and economic trends. This improved credit profile together with our strong capital levels creates a solid foundation for our strategy. We also benefit from our EVERTEC ownership and our stake in Banco BHD Leon, the second largest bank in the Dominican Republic. Given the fiscal and economic challenges we face on the island we're focused on the current situation, while continue to make long-term investment in new business initiatives. We've managed the Bank within this environment for the last 10 years completing several troubled loan sales, refocusing our loan books on lower loss content business line, raising approximately $2 billion of common equity and completing two in market FDIC assisted acquisitions, all while earning positive profits in our Puerto Rico business during the island's prolonged recession. In the past two years, we have repaid close to $1 billion in part; had two credits MOUs lifted, restructured our U.S. balance sheet and back office, purchased $2 billion of assets in the Doral transaction and reinstated our common stock dividend after six years. We'll continue to seek additional growth opportunities in the current environment. The actions taken by the oversight board in the coming months will be defining moment for Puerto Rico's future. We remain confident the Puerto Rico will emerge from the current challenges with the more vibrant and diversified economy and we will do everything in our power to ensure this outcome. Throughout its 123-year history, Popular has persevered through a number of challenges on the island. Although our company is intrinsically linked to Puerto Rico, Popular is also a story of a solid organization that has navigated through a complex environment and has emerged as a stronger, better capitalized and a more diversified institution. We look forward to reporting on our progress in the next few months. And with that, I'd like to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Brett Rabatin in Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Hi, good morning, everyone. Wanted to first ask obviously there has been a delay with the capital plan. Can you maybe share with us if you could, your thoughts on what you were hoping to do in terms of a buyback or any color around the initiative there?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, we'd rather wait till we finish our discussions with regulators. Obviously, we would like to return some capital and it will probably a combination of the two but we are -- we submitted our plan, we'll finish our discussions with the regulators which unfortunately the timing is not up to us. And we will announce it right away.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then if I heard it correctly, $320 million of quarterly expense run rate for 2017, right? Does that start in 4Q and then can you talk about what initiatives are driving that?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes. I mean as you know Brett we are -- our expense is tend to be rather volatile so different lines change quite a bit every quarter. That is one of the reasons while we -- when we give you some guidance on expenses we play at the aggregate level just because all the pieces end up moving quite a bit. The pieces that move this quarter were operational losses and personnel cost and goodwill in profit securities but there is other things that we expect to continue to move. As I mentioned the business thus continue to require some investment. That is part of the reason the expenses is going up. Again we are continuing to invest on our D2 channel. We are working on improving the capacity of our use operation to fund itself and fund itself more attractive rate by making the French network better.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

It looks complex.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

That implies -- that includes moving some branches -- opening some branches, remodeling some branches, making some branches smaller, a number of activities. And then technology compliance and back office continue to require additional investment and that is obviously true of us and maybe other bank. So some of that is going in that those lines as well.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

And then I want to make sure I heard you correctly. Your body language I think sounds more optimistic than I think I have heard it on the economy. Was just wanting to make sure I kind of got that read right? And then as far as loan purchases go, can you talk about your plans there and what you did in 3Q?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Well, I guess if we sound more confident is because we continue to see the stable credit metrics and as the pieces of PROMISA Board start following into place. We at least see some movement in a direction. That's not to say everything is rosy. There is a plenty of concerns that one -- the board really starts getting down. We will also see some cuts in government expenses and that will impact the economy if it is not offset on the other hand with new investment. We are also encouraged by what we are seeing in the US in terms of a lot of growth particularly in C&I loans which runs counter to what we've been seeing from other mac so we are encouraged there.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

With regards to loan purchases, there was no significant loan purchase in the third quarter, Brett. And it is something that we are always looking and if good opportunity shows up we are ready and capable to move on them but nothing significant in the third quarter.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Brian Klock, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods.

Brian Klock

Analyst

Hi, good morning, gentlemen. So, Carlos, I just wanted to follow up on the expense side of things. I know you mentioned that you think that even though the expense number may be a little volatile and higher close or near that 320 level that came in at the third quarter. So when I think about the fee income, there is some noise in there was some of the indemnification reserves and you said there would be a lower loss share. And I guess what is the rate efficiency ratio we should be thinking about or what is the right level of fee income that you think we could be at to help partially offset the higher expenses?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

At this time, the way you look any brand is pretty much what I mentioned in my comments and while you are correct in -- we see higher running rate on expenses. We also see in 2017 higher income to compensate for the higher expenses. We believe more so that will come from again it lower at the lesser expense, some higher net interest income and also some higher service charges in Puerto Rico, those will be principal contributors to offset in the additional expenses. As usual there will be others, there will be surprises going both way but if anything the more important message is that while the expenses would probably be slightly higher, we are also seeing some income to offset that.

Brian Klock

Analyst

Okay. Maybe just a follow-up. I know you guys have talked about -- obviously with had a couple of the quarters in a row from the asset quality side, charge-offs and provisions that beat my estimates in the last few quarters. I think when you put all of that together I guess what do you think, what kind of an ROA do you think you can generate in next year with that as the kind of expectation or guidance? Is that something that could get you back in the mid-90s and closer to a 1% ROA in 2017?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And I think you guys in the industry are always right so I'll go whatever you guys are saying.

Brian Klock

Analyst

Well, I'm not sure about that but I guess is that something that you think is doable. I've got a 91 basis point ROA this quarter, do think it is possible to enhance that towards the 1% next your?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I will never contradict to Brian. If that's what you think we will do our best.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Ken Zerbe at Morgan Stanley.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Good morning. Just going back to the capital plan, maybe this is just more for my benefit because I understood the whole DFAST process which you submit your DFAST plan, you get a non-objection. I guess your capital return is not necessarily a requirement of DFAST. I guess I'm just surprised by the delay in the announcement. Like what am I missing here that it now becomes that the regulators have I guess is that they have not non-objected if that makes sense to you. I'm trying to figure out why there is a delay.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I think that you got it right. You are missing the difference between theory and practice. And it is then not objecting, no. So we just have to wait it out, it is their timing not ours unfortunately. If it were to up to us believe me we would move a lot faster.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I mean you are right, Ken, fortunately or unfortunately it depend on which side you want to take, there is no formal processing in our case. So there is no set timetable nothing like that so it is just ongoing regulatory dialogue. And it takes some time. As I mentioned we had hoped this would move faster than last year. But our hope has not proving to be right. We will continue to work on it. Discussions continue and as soon as we know we'll let you know.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And I'm assuming you can't tell us any of the details and that is fine but at least are you able to tell us have they come back to you with sort of detailed or specific issues that at least they are addressing with you or are you literally in the dark in terms of what they are looking for?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

As you know, we don't -- we usually don't comment on regulatory discussion. And we are never going to start today. But we describe what's happening at the dialogue and that was not by chance. So we are in discussion and when those reached their conclusion then we'll let you know.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

For the lawyers, it is a dialogue but it is somewhat asymmetric okay. Let me get that in before the lawyers slap me down.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Understood, that makes sense. The offset to the expenses because I know you repeated a few times the lower FDIC expenses and that is fine. But then the higher NII and the higher deposit service charges in Puerto Rico, I guess my question is what gives you the confidence that you are going to be able to get those higher deposit service charges in Puerto Rico or the higher NII? Because I know obviously with NIM down and asset growth fairly muted, is it fair to assume that those particular items are a much smaller piece of the offset versus the FDIC?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

No. We haven't given you -- we haven't broken it down for you. I mean the higher net interest income, we also commented that we expect asset growth slight low growth in loan balances next year, that is including everything the run off with Westernbank and everything else. So no more course of business if our loan book goes up which is the higher net interest income and the service charges to some -- large extent I relate to higher deposit balance. And by the way the higher deposit balance is while we prefer to deposit from the public sector frequently, the higher deposit balances are actually across all our client, our retail clients, our individual clients, our commercial clients, we have seen deposit growth in all types of deposits not only public sector deposits.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gerard Cassidy at RBC.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC

Good morning, gentlemen. How are you? Can you share with us -- and I know it is hard to say in normalized times considering what the island's economy and fiscal situation has been going through as well as yourselves. But when you look at the amount of capital you think you are going to need to run this organization from a CET1 standpoint, obviously your capital is very high today. What would you consider to be a normal level if things were more normal down in Puerto Rico?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · RBC

That's a tough question, hard to answer as you know. We currently think it is lower that is now. And in all probably it will always be higher than our peer banks slightly higher.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC

Agreed

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · RBC

Exactly how, where you draw the line between those two boundaries, there is where the magic comes and that line actually is not static. It might be dynamic given your discussion with regulators.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC

Okay. Can you also, you guys touched upon the FDIC loss sharing, you lost that claim. On slide 18 you give us what is remaining and there is still another claim in dispute of $87 million. Can you share the difference in these claims versus the ones that you just lost or are these I assume these are not the same ones?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · RBC

Yes. They are not the same ones. It is a different arbitration panel, different issue. We have one for 82 that in essence a final argument will take part next week. So we should get some resolution there before the end of the year and sure that, that's the big one .The other one is, it is a smaller one roughly around $6 million. So that has even been scheduled for the final argument.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · RBC

But different set of pack as Richard mentioned different arbitration panel so essentially it is a pretty different process.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · RBC

Not only one

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC

And the issue of dispute is the issues as different as the whole process meaning one may have been over claims for losses on loans and another one is on taxes? How about the core dispute, I mean is it different?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · RBC

Yes. The core dispute is different one, completely different one. One was related to NAB restructure and another one is related to section 4.1 wholesale authorizations, so those are the issues, two separate issues.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC

Great. This is probably not an easy question to answer. It is more subjective than objective but clearly it appears that Puerto Rico economically and fiscally has hit bottom and now you are starting the long process of hopefully coming out of these troubles. Is there any evidence yet that the population has started to slow -- the outmigration of population to the states particularly to Florida, has that slowed at all or do you have any sense of where that is going at this time?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · RBC

Well, we have no evidence that it has slowed. In fact, if anything it is slightly more this year than it was last year. No real evidence and I think they are coming -- the coming month will determine the course of that. I don't know Lidio you may want to add something.

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · RBC

Yes. I'd just say that population migration has -- the affect not the cost so I think it will reverse and we see improving our economy

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Alex Twerdahl at Sandler O’Neill.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Good morning, guys. A couple of questions. First, just heading back to the capital discussion, you guys said that there is no set timeframe on how these discussions will play out. But based on your conversations last year leading up to the announcement of the dividend and the DFAST, et cetera and based on kind of where you know you are today, can you assign a degree of confidence when you say that you hope to have an announcement by the end of the year, can you assign a degree of confidence that we will get some sort of announcement pre-Christmas?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

About 73.5% is probably will be -- no, really, I mean we really can't, I am sorry; I don't mean to be flip. It is frustrating for us as well frankly. But it is their timing. We do think that it will be in the next couple of months but we really can't put a number on it.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. Better than 50% though would you say?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

73.5% plus

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. That is going in my note.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

You are going to forecast the result of elections too in the meantime.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

And then is the whole process you are going through right now with the capital return is that a once per your process? I mean could you announce something in December and then revisit it in June or is it really just kind of -- it has to be done only once per year?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

See there is no set process, Alex. The technical answer to your question is that it could happen in any time. But being practical one of the more important inputs into discussions or the decision is the stress test. So the stress test will tend to be the gating issue or the gating item to a discussion being more productive. But again since there is no process, it technically could happen in any time yes.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then in the past you guys have given some good trends on just debit card and credit card swipes on the island. I was wondering if you have any updated trends over the last couple of months.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Pretty stable but nothing, auto loans I mean auto sales have been up but in general retail has been stable. No major change in new direction.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then you had a huge amount of inflows of deposits this past quarter I think a lot of them were government related deposits. Should we just assume those stay basically money markets for the foreseeable future? Or I mean how do you project or anticipate or plan for inflows and outflows of $1.5 billion of deposits in a quarter?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

We are kind of keeping it very short term for the time being so we get a better feel of how things will run in the next -- over the next year as the new fiscal plan takes place how that will play out if there is any debt restructuring changes and how the cash flow, needs of the government change, we are sort of keeping it short term so we get a better feel for what we think will be rock solid, bear in mind most of these are operating account with the big one being the treasury TCA account. So we will get better feel for it but for the time being we are keeping it with very short maturity on the asset side.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Are you paying interest on those deposits?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes. It is a minimal amount. You have to pay interest on all government deposits.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

In some, yes, in some of them -- this is one of the reasons that our margin suffered to touch while is net interest income accretive, we make more dollars in interest income, it is actually margin dilutive. But as other part of the business we obviously get service fee for providing services to this client as well. So it doesn't all come to the margin line but as Richard said as we get a better reading on what the right and continue levels of the deposit will be, we will make calls on our investor portfolio. But again don't lose sight of the fact that it is not all public deposits, about a third of the increased deposit this last quarter was non public deposits, was client deposit, corporate and personal deposit.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. And then just a final question for me, Lidio, do you have early stage delinquency trends?

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · RBC

Yes. Give me one second; on a quarter-over-quarter basis our early delinquency numbers are stable around 3.1%, with $30 million improvement in Puerto Rico offset by slight deterioration in the US, the deterioration in the US mainly driven by administrative delinquency.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Matthew Keating of Barclays.

Matthew Keating

Analyst · Barclays

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I appreciate the color on the loan growth expectations for next year being slightly positive and also the color on deposit trends being pretty robust. If you had to put a number on where deposit growth could trend, because it seems as though deposit growth has obviously been the principle driver of the Company's average earning asset growth over the past couple of years. Do you think you could still see mid single-digit or better deposit growth next year given sort of the puts and takes you might see on the public deposits, et cetera? Thanks.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Barclays

No. It is hard to call it now. I'd say probably two things .First of all, it is always important to make the point the public deposits are not a liquidity issue for us since they have to be collateralized with all deposits to go down we get our securities our collateral back and we can either repos that later so it is not a liquidity issue. But it is a big number and again it is very hard to forecast exactly where that numbers going to go. So actually that makes way to balance overall. I mean what gives us more peace of mind is the fact that our non public deposits are going up. And we have been successful and saw continuing to grow the positive NIM of business together with the balance sheet. So if you look at the big piece is there is unknown in deposits in Puerto Rico. You have the US growing to balance sheet and hopefully growing deposits with it. And some core deposit growth on non public deposit peer. The big delta would be the public deposit and it is very hard for us to product that right now.

Matthew Keating

Analyst · Barclays

That is helpful. Thank you. Then I guess forgive me if I missed this, but mortgage banking has been sort of a volatile line item over the last couple of years. But it seems to have stabilized recently around $15 million, $16 million range. Do you think that is a decent run rate given what you are seeing within the Puerto Rican economy for mortgage banking results as we look out? Or should we see that continue to decline or actually expand going forward? Thanks.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Barclays

The main delta you will see in that business is going to be -- if we have more nations would have more gain on sales. The bark has been pretty steady and slightly lower this year. So that improbably right now. And the other big delta is the value of the MSR and that's going to -- as you know gets affected by a whole bunch of stuff to the prepayment rate assumptions changes, interest rate changes. Thus there is a bit more volatile and harder to predict line. So the core business is slightly smaller than it used to be. And these two lines are the more volatile line. So the line of gain on sale should be fairly steady and something happens and the MSR depends on interest rate, requirement rates, repayment rate, speed and bunch of other stuff so that was hard to figure out.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Joe Gladue at Merion Capital.

Joe Gladue

Analyst · Merion Capital

My question is I guess wondering if you could give us a little bit of color on the two different market areas in the US, just sort of how they are doing in terms of loan and deposits and expectations between the New York and Florida markets?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Merion Capital

Well, they are both doing pretty well. Obviously, we have more coverage in New York in a bigger business, a book of business in New York but Florida is doing well where we have a pretty specialized line of business there in terms of association lending economy, new association lending and that business is doing extremely well as well. So I think it's equally good, obviously we have a bigger base New York or covers in New York so it is that what in terms of both dollar terms it is growing more but relatively they are both doing well.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jesus Bueno at Compass Point.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst · Compass Point

Thank you very much for taking my questions. I appreciate the color earlier on loan growth for 2017. Just looking specifically at the results in the Puerto Rico unit, it was encouraging to see the commercial balances up quarter over quarter. Could you just discuss some of the puts and takes there? I'm just trying to understand whether it is origination driven or perhaps if there is something there, maybe slower paydowns that impacted that?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Compass Point

We have the issue it was that you know well that while the headline and the financial equation of government continue to be very challenging in Puerto Rico. The economy is actually not doing horribly; it is essentially fly around zero. When you look at our bankers, our bankers are really busy and they are thinking a lot of loans and proposals and they are doing, they are trying to do a lot of business. So far the business they have succeeding in doing to allow just refill the bucket from normal run off but it is not because there is not lot of happening. So the market is active. Market continues to be competitive. We are very busy, so our client are making strategic move, our buying competitors are expanding their business. And we are trying to play a role in all of that. While the balances have tended to be flat. The composition changes a lot and client pays us back, new clients borrow and we continue to be very active and hopefully we can add more than subtract more moving forward but it is -- when the economy is around zero and your bank our size will tend to reflect movement to the economy.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst · Compass Point

Thanks for the color. Just staying on kind of loan growth, I know you mentioned that part of your US growth will be supplemented by purchases. But I guess as we are thinking about balancing organic growth versus purchases I guess what do you anticipate your mix is going to be? And as it relates to that, the purchases you made earlier in the year, I know you were testing out the vintages to see the loss rates. But how exactly has that -- how have the loss rates played out relative to your initial expectations before you started those purchases?

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · Compass Point

I think when we initially undertook let's say the tests and we started some of buying some of those loans we had a built a model to try to project expected losses, I'll say so far they are behaving as we expected when we initially embark in the test.

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Compass Point

So there is no surprises, Jesus is the answer. So proof of concept has been positive and we will probably make a call in the next few weeks or whether we wanted go back to that but so far no surprises, it has been positive so far. We haven't had third party purchase in the US for quarter and half to the second quarter. So all of what you see this quarter has been organic growth. And my commentary on low purchase is actually mostly it was directly Puerto Rico more than the States. And we will continue to look but those opportunities come when they come and then we just make a call on whether it is risk profile and return profile make sense for us or not. And move it if feels right.

Jesus Bueno

Analyst · Compass Point

Understood, thank you. If I could just slip one more in. Could you remind us -- if we were to see a rate increase in December, what would be the benefit to your NII just based off of a 25 basis point move?

Carlos Vazquez

Analyst · Compass Point

We are slightly asset sensitive so it will be good for us. I don't know we will make big bet on interest rate on our balance sheet, so it will be plus something probably either ballpark of $10 million, something in that ballpark. It is not going to change the date, we will be nice. So if you have a vote on rates going up go up go with us.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. And the conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.