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BioMarin Pharmaceutical Inc. (BMRN)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the BioMarin Pharmaceutical's Conference Call to Discuss Third Quarter 2015 Financial Results. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the prepared comments, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. As a reminder this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Traci McCarty, Senior Director, of Investor Relations at BioMarin. Please go ahead.

Traci McCarty

Management

Thank you, operator. With me today from BioMarin management are Jean-Jacques Bienaimé, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Dan Spiegelman, Chief Financial Officer; Hank Fuchs, Chief Medical Officer; Jeff Ajer, Chief Commercial Officer; and Robert Baffi, Executive Vice President of Technical Operations. To remind you, this non-confidential presentation contains forward-looking statements about the business prospects of BioMarin, including expectations regarding BioMarin's financial performance, commercial products, and potential future products in different areas of therapeutic research and development. Results may differ materially depending on the progress of BioMarin's product programs, actions of regulatory authorities, availability of capital, future actions in the pharmaceutical market, and developments by competitors, and those factors detailed in BioMarin's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as 10-Q, 10-K, and 8-K reports. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to BioMarin's CEO and Chairman, JJ Bienaimé. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: Thank you, Traci. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on today's call. So today we announced that BioMarin's commercial organization delivered $652 million in total BioMarin revenue year-to-date resulting in 28% growth, compared to the same period last year. The primary drivers of this result were the continued robust global launch of VIMIZIM and strong growth in demand for KUVAN, which more than offset the negative impact of foreign exchange headwinds and uneven ordering patterns for NAGLAZYME. Global market penetration of VIMIZIM has continued, and we have been able to bring new patients onto therapy at a faster pace than we had originally anticipated. Significantly, we have also been able to achieve and maintain our target revenue per patient globally. As a result, we are in a position to increase full-year revenue guidance for VIMIZIM, and we now expect 2015 full-year revenue to be between $220 million and $235 million. While we expect Q4 2015 sales…

Jeffrey Robert Ajer

Management

Thank you, JJ. Persistent growth of patients on BioMarin's brands drove continued increase in the underlying demand across the commercial portfolio, resulting in strong revenue growth in the quarter and year-to-date. This result came in spite of foreign exchange headwinds and the impact of uneven ordering patterns in some regions that have the effect of skewing quarter-to-quarter comparisons. Starting with VIMIZIM, the commercial organization delivered $65.1 million in VIMIZIM revenue in the third quarter. Recall, we set a goal for VIMIZIM of being 80% penetrated of known patients in greater than 60 markets in four years, half the time required to achieve that level of penetration for NAGLAZYME. One and a half years from the first launch, we are 33% penetrated of known patients in 32 markets. So we're well on track, and making great progress against that goal. Moreover, with more than two-thirds of identified patients still potential new users of the drug, plus new potential patients still being identified, there's significant future upside as we make VIMIZIM available to the patients who are not yet on therapy. We now expect increased full year revenue for VIMIZIM of between $220 million and $235 million. This is in the face of a stronger dollar, which created headwinds for VIMIZIM revenue growth, and we estimate the VIMIZIM revenues would've been approximately $20 million higher in 2015 if rates had been the same as in 2014. In addition, it should be noted that third quarter VIMIZIM revenue included a large order from Latin America that is not expected to be repeated in Q4. We have historically experienced uneven order patterns for NAGLAZYME from Latin America and occasionally other regions, and we now expect this pattern to apply to VIMIZIM as well. Therefore, it will be important going forward to consider full-year revenue…

Daniel K. Spiegelman

Management

Thank you, Jeff. Earlier today, we issued a press release summarizing our financial results for 2015 third quarter and year-to-date, and I refer you to that release for full details. Starting with top line results, total BioMarin revenue for the third quarter of 2015 was $208.9 million, an increase of 18% year-over-year, driven by strong sales of VIMIZIM and KUVAN. Year-to-date, total revenue $662 million, which is 28% higher than in the same period last year. As a result of strong growth of VIMIZIM and KUVAN, combined with a solid base of revenues from ALDURAZYME and NAGLAZYME, we're raising full-year 2015 total BioMarin revenue guidance to between $880 million and $900 million. While reported revenues grew 28% year-to-date, the strong dollar and foreign exchange headwinds continued to have a negative effect on our reported revenues. The stronger dollar reduced total revenues by approximately $10 million and $38 million for the third quarter and year-to-date. Moreover, our full year total revenue guidance would have been $40 million to $50 million higher if rates had been the same in 2015 as they were in 2014. These pro forma results are net of the foreign exchange hedging program we have in place. Historically we've hedged a significant portion of our euro exposure, but only limited amounts of our emerging market exposures. Consequently, though the euro has stabilized against the dollar, continuing weakness in emerging markets currencies continues to negatively impact reported results. Moving to operating expenses, GAAP R&D expenses increased to $158.7 million, compared to $125.7 million in the third quarter of 2014. The year-over-year increase, which was consistent with our expectations and with our guidance, was primarily due to our new DMD program drisapersen, and to a lesser extent, our three Phase 2 exon skippers, BMN 044, BMN 045, and BMN 053.…

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Thank you, Dan. The third quarter was especially busy for the research and development organization. The regulatory team focused on preparations for a meeting with the Peripheral and Central Nervous System Drugs Advisory Committee of the Food and Drug Administration to review the new drug application for KYNDRISA on November 24. During the quarter, we've been asked by many of you about our confidence as we get closer to the December PDUFA date, so I'd like to share how we're thinking about things. Overall, since acquiring Prosensa in January, we maintain our confidence in a potential near-term approval of KYNDRISA. We have had very productive discussions with the agency, and there have been no surprises throughout the review process. We continue to believe the totality of the data demonstrates a favorable benefit-to-risk profile. Also during the fourth quarter at the World Muscle Society Meeting, investigators shared results of the Clinical Global Impressions Scale assessment from our Phase 3 patients. To remind you, the Clinical Global Impressions Scale is a research tool used to quantify and track clinical status and treatment response over time. This tool is used by our investigators to determine the well-being of KYNDRISA patients, and we were pleased that 30% of KYNDRISA patients were assessed as clinically improved compared to their baseline one year earlier compared with 5% of placebo treated patients. As we've talked about before, there are several things we believe may have influenced the equivocal results of the Phase 3 study that in our view have underestimated the magnitude of treatment benefit including: the lack of the loading dose, the inclusion of sicker patients, the use of non-Duchenne experienced clinical trial sites. Additionally, we've also found that randomization in study BMN 044, the Phase 3 trial, was imbalanced, and correcting for that imbalance improves…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Mark Schoenebaum with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Mark Schoenebaum

Analyst

Hey, guys. It's Mark Schoenebaum, and I've got John Scotti on with me as well who might ask a question. The Wall Street concern right now, I'd just like you guys to address this head-on, and that is this confirmatory trial. There's obviously the letter in the public domain that Prosensa received from FDA in 2014, and I think strongly encouraged Prosensa at the time to begin a confirmatory trial. And yet we sit here in late 2015; you guys have not yet started a confirmatory trial. The bears say uh-oh; the bulls say BioMarin knows what they're doing when it comes to negotiating the FDA around orphan diseases. But can you just give us any assurances that this is not – that the fact that that trial has not started by the time the PDUFA – or is not well ongoing should not be an impediment to approval. And John may have one follow-up.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Hi, Mark. This is Hank, and I'm strongly with the bulls here. BioMarin knows what it's doing. The issue of confirmatory trial as I've said numerous times before is that it must address the issues that are identified during the review, and I think those issues get to some degree, or to a large degree, peer-reviewed by advisory committee. We've made a lot of preparations for what that confirmatory program could be, but we don't want to initiate enrollment into a confirmatory study until we're sure that we have the issues that are in consideration addressed in the confirmatory study. Now, I should also remind you that we have ongoing a very large natural history study. We reported some preliminary results of that in April with the American Association of Neurology so we're already accumulating prospective natural history data on patients. And we clearly have been in discussion with the Food & Drug Administration about the nature of next steps of studies. We don't have anxiety about where we stand in regard to pulling the trigger, if you will, on a confirmatory study.

Mark Schoenebaum

Analyst

Okay. All right. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: And if I may, correct me if I'm wrong, Hank, but I mean so far, we've never heard from the FDA that initiation of the confirmatory trial was a prerequisite for approval of the drug.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

That's correct.

John Scotti

Analyst

Hey, guys, this is John. If I could just follow up; so, we all saw Sarepta's data released a month ago, their new data. I was just wondering to the extent, I'm sure you can't comment too much on Sarepta's data, but to the extent that we'll maybe some new data cuts from you guys from DEMAND 3, maybe in light of the science is (32:56) greater than seven years old and less, or what you said before about the clinical trial sites, but maybe with regard to six-minute walk test as a prognostic factor for benefit. Is there anything new that we'll see on DEMAND 3 during the adcomm, or something that could – in that vein, with regard to what we saw with some Sarepta data earlier?

Mark Schoenebaum

Analyst

And let me ask you more succinctly. Do you believe Sarepta put anything in the public domain that materially changes the debate?

John Scotti

Analyst

Right.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

I'm going to answer the less succinct question, and I'll leave the more succinct question to JJ. We've mentioned that the DEMAND 3 study included sicker patients, and we're sharing analysis with the Food and Drug Administration. And I would expect that we will, at the advisory committee, have an opportunity to discuss the impact of the inclusion of those sicker patients in the study. And texturally, there's nothing substantially different about that today than when we, BioMarin, took over the program, to say beyond that, we believe that it takes longer for sicker patients to have a benefit. They have less remaining muscle tissue for targeting of an exon skipper, and therefore to achieve benefit takes longer. I did mention a new piece of information that I did want to highlight for you, or two new pieces of information that I want to highlight for you. One is, we found that randomization was pretty meaningfully imbalanced in DEMAND 3. We'll share that information with the advisory committee, and you'll have a chance to see that in a bit more detail. And we shared with you also that the clinician's global impression of improvement is meaningfully benefited by KYNDRISA compared to placebo. I think these are all things which give me growing confidence in the medical value for patients of receiving KYNDRISA. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: So what was the second question again?

John Scotti

Analyst

Oh, JJ, I was just wondering, all this paper introduced in the marketplace from Sarepta over the last couple of weeks. Did you see anything in those data sets that materially changed the debate around the approvability of the drug? Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: I presume you're referring to the data analysis that was presented at the WMS meeting.

John Scotti

Analyst

Yes, sir. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: Well the new post hoc comparator group of 13 patients, if I understand?

John Scotti

Analyst

Yes. Yes, the new natural history comparative group. Yup. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: So I understand that 13 patients came from two centers in Europe, one Italian center, one Belgian center. So that group was made over three years after the completion of the trial. So I would say we don't believe it changes the landscape in any way, shape, or form, based on our interaction with the FDA. And also, there's another issue which is, we don't – it's still unclear what is the data in terms of walk distance. Whether it's the original analysis or a new analysis, what is the data for 30 milligram? Because we understand the data was presented lumping 30 milligram and 50 milligram. And it appears – although we don't know, it appears Sarepta has been filing for 30 milligram, not 50 milligram. I think – we understand there were questions about it at the WMS meeting, I think the answer I heard from management was that the dystrophin production was about the same for 30 milligram and 50 milligram. But at the same time, it looks like they couldn't really show a relationship between dystrophin and walk. So we don't believe this has a substantial impact on the landscape. But then, I think Hank has another...

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Yeah. I mean I just – the only other thing I'd add is, I'm glad that – it's impossible to compare studies apples-to-apples, not head-to-head trials, et cetera. So, making no comments about the quantum of evidence that came from our trial versus the quantum of evidence that's come from anybody else, but to say that I'm glad that BioMarin has, in addition to 3.5 years of long-term safety and efficacy data from 12 boys treated in which we demonstrated a maintained – maintenance of ambulation, I'm glad we have three other randomized placebo-controlled trials to independently bring to advisory committee consideration, with an additional group of patients that have been filed in open label extension studies. So we just have, beyond our own long-term open label extension study, we just have a lot more trials, and I think that's going to be a very important consideration as the advisory committee works its way through understanding the total body of evidence.

John Scotti

Analyst

All right. Great. Thanks for taking my question. Nice to see you last week at the Evercore mixer, JJ. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Raymond with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Christopher Raymond

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hey. Thanks. Another drisapersen question, if you will. There's been a decent amount of talk on this confirmatory trial. I think I've heard some speculation from you guys that it might be in non-ambulatory patients. I'm just kind of curious, you mentioned sicker patients being a confounding factor in the Prosensa trial. Can you maybe talk about that, maybe reconcile that?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Well, I think there are two different issues. One is, the inclusion of patients who are more advanced in the course of their illness has the potential to dilute the treatment signal. And you know that the placebo studies, 876 and 117, had essentially negligible decline in the placebo group. And yet the DEMAND 3 044 study had about a 50 or so meter, or maybe more, decline in the placebo group. So the placebo group was sicker in DEMAND 3 then it was in the other – 117 and 876 studies. And that, the inclusion of those sicker patients, because they have advanced fat and fiber tissue infiltration into their muscles, diminishes lower extremity muscle that is the target for exon skipping. And so therefore, it's not surprising that six-minute walk distance improvements in that group of patients are of a smaller magnitude and take a longer time to achieve. I keep mentioning the lack of the loading dose. We learned, subsequent to the completion of all these trials, that it takes about six to eight months to get the steady-state tissue concentrations of KYNDRISA. It's actually pretty amazing that we're able to observe improvements in the 044 DEMAND 3 trial at 48-week time point, considering the patients were only at steady-state tissue concentrations for a relatively short period of time. So the dilution of treatment benefit, if you will, is one important consideration. And I put that, by the way, in the context; PTC recently reported, with Ataluren, a resolution of a question that had been outstanding for a while, and that is, it looked like their data said, works better in sicker, and their confirmatory trial resolves that dilemma by saying there's a sweet spot for effectiveness that's probably north of, or healthier than, the lower limit of inclusion in the BioMarin 044 trial. So I think biological data, external data point us in the direction that says that if you have lost a lower extremity function, the benefit is going to be there, but it's going to take longer to see, and it's going to be of a lower magnitude in regard to ambulatory function endpoints. The other thing I mentioned was that because of the inclusion of sicker patients, that meant that the trial was vulnerable to imbalances and randomization. And I'll go through that at the advisory committee. But the short version of that is we always assume randomization works perfectly, except that it doesn't when you don't stratify randomization for key prognostic factors. And because these findings – the knowledge of the natural history Duchenne has only really emerged in the last five years, and unfortunately the study wasn't designed with those elements in mind, and therefore the study is, to some extent, partially compromised by that as well. So two factors influence the interpretation of the equivocal results of the Phase 3 trial amongst others: dilution of treatment benefit and balance of randomization.

Christopher Raymond

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Thanks. If I could ask a sort of follow-up question on the commercial side, so, kind of struck by your comments on NAGLAZYME. I know order patterns especially in Latin America are choppy, but another company with a rare disease portfolio highlighted macro issues in Latin America, sort of a longer lasting headwind. But conspicuously, I don't think I heard that from you guys. Can you sort of talk about what you're seeing there?

Daniel K. Spiegelman

Management

Yeah. So I think the main elements for us in Latin America are the change in the foreign exchange rate, that's hit the Brazilian real very hard. It's also hit the Columbian peso this year. That's the main one. Then we have these very large uneven order patterns that are coming from Latin America that are – they're making the quarter-to-quarter comparisons very difficult to keep track of. They could also spill into year-over-year comparisons based on the timing of these big orders. And finally, like this other company you referred to, we're watching macroeconomic conditions in Latin America and other regions, and I would say we're watching, we're concerned, but we have not yet seen that be a negative influence on our business. It could happen in the future; haven't seen it yet.

Christopher Raymond

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Okay. Thank you very much. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: But despite these issues, I mean – Chris, despite these issues, again a number of NAGLAZYME patients all around the world has increased in Q3 over Q2.

Christopher Raymond

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Great. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: But definitely, the collapse or the dramatic reduction of the value of some Latin American currencies as compared to the dollar obviously hasn't helped us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Geoff Meacham with Barclays. Your line is open.

Geoffrey Meacham

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open.

Thanks for taking the question. I've got a few for Hank. One, vosoritide. I guess when you think about the next steps, how much exposure to the high dose do you really need to see before starting a Phase 3? And then what's the getting factor beyond that? And I have a follow-up, just to continue to beat the dead horse on drisapersen.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

That's a living thoroughbred stallion. The next steps on how much exposure. So, we believe that when we reported the six-month findings – we believe that normalization of growth at six months portends very well. Obviously you can follow patients longer. You can always ask the question about how well that efficacy is sustained. We believe that the vosoritide efficacy will be sustained because we saw a sustaining of the biological marker of CNP's activity, urinary excretion of cyclic GMP from beginning to end of the study. And so we think the data will hold up, but obviously we're continuing to follow those patients. So we believe we have enough evidence to date to pivot to Phase 3, and then the next gating items are really lining the health authorities on the design of a global registration program. It's very important in the rare-disease space because the rareness of the patient populations and the desire to get meaningful clinical outcomes in clinical trials means that your sample sizes tend to be on the larger side and the availability of patients is to be on the smaller side because of the rareness of the population. So that pushes us to want to make sure that we dot our Is and cross our Ts with health authorities around the world. We've initiated that process. We're feeling good about this process, and I'd stay tuned as I mention my prepared marks for an update at R&D Day in April. Exactly what we'll be able to tell you at that point in time will depend on the amount of progress we've made, but we'll provide what update we can. And then you had another question about the stallion.

Geoffrey Meacham

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open.

Yes. So just on subsequent studies. Clearly you'll get input from the panel and obviously ahead of the PDUFA date on what the design of those studies to finalize that. But I wanted to kind of ask you what the venue or mechanism was to get European input. Clearly, you want to have a trial that works for both geographies. Or if there's any other input from health authorities globally to what they may ask for when you think about what a confirmatory study may look like.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Yeah, that's really a (47:31) question as well. And we're in registration in Europe and the United States simultaneously. So we're able to – the process in the EU is structured a little bit differently than the process in the United States. But we're able to have dialogue with each of the agencies in this MLE. They're well aware of the rareness of the patient population; they're well aware of the need for considerate use of patient resources in the post-approval setting. They're both well aware that the questions that get posed that are part of whether they're post-marking (48:16), post-marking requirements, or confirmatory states, they need to be important because it's a lot of effort, it's burden on patients, it's a very rare patient population. So it's really through our dialog independently with the agencies that we're able to try to line up and come up with a global post-approval program. There's kind of another factor where while we don't want to rush into one thing until we're sure we know what the issues are globally.

Geoffrey Meacham

Analyst · Barclays. Your line is open.

Great. Okay. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Cory Kasimov with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Whitney G. Ijem

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Hi, this is Whitney on for Cory. First question, I'm going to stick with drisapersen here, is just on the ISRs. We've had a couple of conversations with doctors recently where they sort of independently brought up the ISRs, both the rate and severity, and talked about it potentially being – duration is therapy-limiting. So just wondered if you can kind of remind what you're seeing with the injection site reactions, and whether, or not you think that's going to be a particular issue looking toward the outcome?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

In two years of study of 100 – close to 200 patients, call it, we've seen one discontinuation due to cutaneous toxicity of drisapersen. As you follow patients for longer there is evidence that the frequency and the severity of the skin reactions can evolve to the worse. That leading edge, if you will, of patients were patients who were on the study that we call 673. We have now 3.5 years of data on those boys, and those boys were started on therapy before a rigorous program of injection site rotation was undertaken. And we know that injection site rotation is an important element to manage the occurrence of injection site reactions. It's imaginable that there will be a need for let's call it an alternative route of delivery for some boys, if the cutaneous toxicity in year three, year four, year five, year six gets to the point where it's unmanageable. So therefore we'll be working on, for example, an IV formulation. But the subcu formulation really provides a lot of convenience for patients. It can be handled safely by patients and their families, and has – does not – has not risen to the level of an overt toxicity requiring discontinuation, except for in very rare circumstances, in the first two years of therapy. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: And then also the subcu route reduces the cost of administering the therapy substantially. We understand our competition requires about a one hour infusion which all in all is about two hours to three hours in the physician's office. Which with the added requirements for infusion, suites in the physician's office, or DMD centers, and we understand they're not equipped for that. But that Hank says, for the very few patients that might want to evolve from subcu therapy over the long term, we've an active plan to work on that, including the ability to give the drug intravenously, and we have a few patients already on IV therapy in Europe.

Whitney G. Ijem

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Thanks. That's helpful. And then just a quick one. Can you remind us how much you've been doing sort of at risk ahead of the PDUFA? And how quickly you could be ready to launch, if approved on December 27?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Yup. So just to clarify, when you say, how much we're doing at risk, are you talking about market preparation? Or how fast we can have finished goods on the shelf, ready to ship?

Whitney G. Ijem

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

I guess both.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Okay. Well in terms of market preparation, this is not BioMarin's first launch of a drug to treat an ultra-rare disorder. We've been working on this one all year long. We're conducting the normal and appropriate market characterization and also market conditioning. We're preparing our team in the United States and our support systems. So if we get an approval on, or around our PDUFA date from a commercial perspective, we're basically ready to go subject to the interruption of the holiday season. And maybe I'd ask Robert to comment on the product.

Robert A. Baffi

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Yes. So this is Robert Baffi, Head of Technical Operations. And we have been, over the course of the years since we acquired the product, building up inventory, both from an API perspective and drug product perspective, and we'd be available to launch drug shortly after our approval. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: And also on the related topic, we'd like to emphasize that as far as we're concerned, we have no long-term manufacturing capacity constraints, and we believe that we should be able to supply market demand with our product.

Whitney G. Ijem

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Terence Flynn with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Terence C. Flynn

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. Just a few on the hemophilia program. I was wondering, you mentioned an update at your April R&D day. Do you expect that to include only a single-dose cohort? Or can we expect more than one? And then any more details you can share around your vector? And anything in the protocol around the use of steroids? Thank you.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Vector we're going to talk about at the American Society of Hematology at the end of the year. And I kind of want to answer your question about whether we'll give you more than just the single-dose cohort by saying we only ever plan to treat patients with a single dose. But I think you're asking about additional dose levels. We're just starting the program. I think it's premature to talk about what the dose ranges are, or what data might be available in April. Stay tuned. And to the steroid regimen, we're highly sensitized to the – highly aware of the issue that brief transaminitis can markedly attenuate the transgene expression, and we believe that we've a program in place that actually protects patients during that period. And we'll just have to get more patient data to share with you, hopefully at Analyst Day, that can speak to how that program worked, or what modifications might be needed.

Terence C. Flynn

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Thank you.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Yep.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joseph Schwartz from Leerink Partners Your line is open.

Joseph P. Schwartz

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much. I was wondering if you think a REMS will be required for KYNDRISA, and how that might work.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Well, it's premature to talk about what the post approval requirements are going to be, especially ahead of the advisory committee, because there's still a fair amount of review still to go. One thing I'd say is generally is we've looked at, our regulatory group has done some research on utilization of REMS. And a couple of things have come out of that review. One is they seem to be declining in number. And also the agency is reluctant to introduce those late in the course of programs, because there's a lot of internal lining up that has to on at the agency to implement the REMS. So notwithstanding those trend patterns, we do still think it's premature to talk about whether, and what type of REMS could be required. I think it's important to say that we're going to do what will be necessary to assure safe and appropriate use of KYNDRISA in the commercial arena. We'll do what it takes to make sure the patients get a benefit and are safe.

Joseph P. Schwartz

Analyst

Mhm. Okay. That makes sense. And are there any metrics that you can share from the kNOWyourDuchenne initiatives since it was launched? And how do you anticipate this program might evolve upon potential approval of KYNDRISA?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Jeff?

Jeffrey Robert Ajer

Management

Yeah. Well, what I can say qualitatively – I don't have metrics to share on the phone today. But what I can say qualitatively is the program has been well received. We've gotten inquiries from patients, caregivers, and also physicians across the United States. Many of those inquiries have translated into those patients enrolling in the program to either get additional testing results, or to have their testing results interpreted by an independent analyst. And so, we're pretty happy with how that program is going. As I stated in the prepared remarks, one of the things that we learned very quickly here is that, while it's true that patients and physicians, for the majority of patients with DMD, have had a molecular test that's generally been to confirm the diagnosis of Duchenne muscular dystrophy, and it's not the case that the majority of those patients, caregivers, or physicians have done the interpretation recently and are aware of the status of those test results, and whether or not that patient would be amenable to treatment with an exon 51 skipping therapy, any other exon skipping therapy, or any other genetically targeted therapy that might become available. As a result, we see that there's a big need, and BioMarin has jumped in to address that need. There are other programs out there that are available also to address the need of getting appropriate testing and interpretation. Honestly, I see this as something that's going to be important, not only this year, but certainly in 2016, probably 2017.

Joseph P. Schwartz

Analyst

Are you able to do the same thing outside the U.S., where the privacy laws might be a little bit more strict?

Jeffrey Robert Ajer

Management

No, the specific program that we have in the United States really applies just to the United States. But the overall concept can be tailored to certain other countries, and based on the response that we've gotten, and the inquiries coming in from outside of the United States, we believe it's appropriate to put together programs that are compliant with those local laws, but that would also provide some assistance to patients who don't happen to be in the United States. So we're working on that.

Joseph P. Schwartz

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Nadeau with Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First, just a couple of commercial housekeeping items. Jeff, you mentioned that there's a large Latin American order for VIMIZIM during Q3. Can you give us some idea of how large the non-recurring part of that order was? So how much we should anticipate taking out of future quarters?

Jeffrey Robert Ajer

Management

That's right. So, in the range of $5 million to $10 million.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Okay. Great. And then second, on the impact of that FX, you mentioned that the impact of FX was on the top line. Obviously you have some operations overseas. How much more would expenses have been if FX had been constant?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Expenses in total would have been around $20 million to $25 million more over the course of the full year.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Okay. Great. And then a couple on the pipeline. First on reveglucosidase, we're going to get interim results, I guess, later this quarter. Hank, what type of data will be in those interim results? And in particular, my guess is, people are going to interpret those as a proxy for what the final results are going to show. Is there any reason why we shouldn't do that?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Well, it's a little premature to talk about that, just because we haven't finalized that data package. But the type of results will be the safety parameters, which will basically be things like confusion, associated reactions, or potential for hypoglycemia, or anything unexpected. And then, on the efficacy side, we focused on respiratory muscle strength parameters, maximum inspiratory pressure, maximum expiratory pressure. We've also measured six-minute walk distance. So I think you'll get – we'll try to give you enough of a look at the data, interim to six-month data point, to be able to inform of you as to the road ahead.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

And do you know approximately how many patients will be in the interim?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Not off the top of my head.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Okay. And then just one last question, back on drisapersen. You could see a skeptic in the FDA panel saying that the collection of data that you have that shows efficacy is interesting, but it's a theory based on post-hoc analyses. And you should go and do another study to prove your theory. I guess, if that's asked, how would you answer it? And in particular, were any of these analyses predefined? Like, how do you answer the post-hoc question?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Well, there isn't any real great answer to the post-hoc question as it pertains to the conduct of the 044 study. I'd – I'm going to pivot to, good thing we had two other randomized trials that were run essentially concurrently. So this isn't one of these programs where there was a bunch of studies done, and then a bunch more studies done, and then they did one big Phase 3 trial, and rolled the dice on the Phase 3 trial, and then they had to make chicken salad out of all of that. This is a program where GSK for better, for worse, ran contemporaneously three randomized placebo-controlled trials, and unfortunately, because of the well-motivated desire to make the largest of the trials the – have the broadest eligibility, the broadest number of centers included – that all was well motivated, but entirely backfired. So, when I talk about the totality of evidence, it's informed by guided analyses of the Phase 3 program, but strongly supported, if not pivotally dependant on, the other two randomized trials in the portfolio.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

That's very helpful. Thanks for taking my question. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: And then maybe another illustration of this, and an aspect that cannot be managed by sub-group analyses of the Phase 3 data, is things like the fact that the centers in – most of the centers in the Phase 3 had no experience with six-minute walk tests or Duchenne muscular dystrophy in general. And in fact there was no loading dose in the Phase 3 trial. When Hank tells you that it takes, you know, six months to get maximum tissue penetration with the drug, the absence of loading dose probably had a pretty significant impact on the results of the Phase 3 trial, and that's – you cannot analyze this with sub-group analysis.

Phil M. Nadeau

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Thanks for all the detail. That's helpful.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Peters with UBS. Your line is open.

Andrew Peters

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Thanks, guys, for taking my question, and I appreciate the comments from JJ around drug pricing. I think it's helpful to frame the discussion around you guys. But as drug pricing continues to come under scrutiny in general, does that affect how you think about pricing, both for drisapersen and for cerliponase alfa, especially in the context of CLN2 being kind of a bit of a smaller indication where a higher price point could be expected? And how do you think about kind of the increased focus on pricing in the industry in general as you go about making those pricing decisions? Thanks. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: I mean, I'll start, maybe Jeff can give you his perspective. I would say the scrutiny so far has been mainly on large price increases rather than large prices in general, high prices. I think the scrutiny on the large price increases, I mean, it's difficult not to agree with that, and specifically when a company buys an (1:06:55), doesn't do any research, and jack up the price hundreds of percent overnight, this is not our business model, this will never be our business model. And I think I've said on the CNBC that we have never in the past increased the price of a product beyond inflation in the U.S., and we have no intention to do that in the future. We still believe that for the value-added therapies, when there's a very large unmet need and limited competition, we still – there's still pricing power here. Obviously, we are in the process of doing pricing research for KYNDRISA, and the environment will be taken into account, but I would say the past few weeks environment of the pricing is more of a political environment than a real environment. Also, I just want to highlight that most of our sales, except for KUVAN, but the vast majority of our sales are ex U.S., where we've been dealing for years with single payers, government payers, where there is price control, and the price of our products outside the U.S. is not significantly lower than in the U.S. Actually, in some countries it is higher. And I would say as a last point is that the VIMIZIM launch, which is happening in the context of this pricing headline, is going very well. I mean, obviously there are the usual pushback in some countries, and there'd be countries where you could get the possible price you can get. That's not unusual. I would say for us in the short term, what we talked about all year, the foreign exchange headwinds have a bigger impact on us than the pricing environment, not to say there is no pricing issue whatsoever. But Jeff, do you want add anything on that?

Jeffrey Robert Ajer

Management

No. That was great, JJ. I guess I would just add that by now the – it is a well-established and a well-accepted fact that the economics of drug development and manufacturing for drugs that treat ultra-rare disorders result in high prices. That much is no longer disputed. That one was settled a long time ago. Now, discriminating careful buyers of those drugs, single national payer systems and government and private insurers in the United States, they care a lot about the strength of the clinical value proposition and the degree of support that these drugs bring to the market, and against the price that they're claiming. And so BioMarin knows that. We're well aware of that. We take all of those considerations seriously, and into account when we price our drugs. And the evidence so far is it's been pretty positive for our commercial portfolio. And I expect that we'll continue to do the right – a good job pricing our drugs going forward.

Operator

Operator

Our next question come from Michael Yee with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Michael J. Yee

Analyst

Hey. Thanks for the questions. A couple on still trying to beat the dead horse. I hope it's not dead yet. But Hank, on drisapersen, can you just remind us sort of where you stand on the dystrophin debate, whether you can comment on whether your data is – whatever data you have this quarter would be directionally related, or whether that's even in any of all the discussions with the agency? And then second of all, can you just comment about whether or not you actually filed for accelerated approval or not? And whether there's any distinct difference as to how I should interpret a "confirmatory study" versus just post marketing, and maybe that's differentiation that I should consider to whether or not a confirmatory study is even needed? Thanks.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

Yeah. So let me do two easy things first and just say I won't comment on ongoing discussions with the agency about a particular facet of data review or a particular consideration about whether some such thing as a post marketing commitment requirement, or a confirmatory study. I've tried to lay the landscape of talking about the potential that any or all of those might apply post approval, but that we're not at a point in time where we can be specific enough about the nature of the approval, or the types of requirements that will ensue. But turning to the very first question you asked about where are we in the discussion of dystrophin, I'd say we're adequately convinced that we can document in patients treated with KYNDRISA that there's exon skipping, and that a novel dystrophin that is made that is a result of exon skipping is a result of the truncation of the pre-mRNA, and the restoration of the reading frame. We are very clear that we cannot – we've not identified a parameter or a measurement of dystrophin that is a predictive biomarker of change in clinical outcome. And that's a very important – those two things are very important to distinguish. We make dystrophin. Second question, how much dystrophin do you have to make to be clinically relevant? No one knows the answer to that question yet. And our data don't change that, and we're not aware of any trial that's under way that could even possibly address that. It'll take a while to validate a measure of dystrophin as certifiable marker of clinical outcome.

Michael J. Yee

Analyst

But the data's surely distinct from the placebo in that report in terms of dystrophin regardless of (1:13:08)?

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

We believe in aggregate that's the case. Now, some of the things that we've learned are one has to compare pretreatment to post-treatment in the same patient in the same muscle group to properly interpret the drug-induced change in dystrophin. One must measure a reasonable-sized sample of muscle, and there are a lot of challenges technically in handling conditions. But when you can measure pre and post, do it independently, objectively, and quantitatively, then our belief is that you can adequately demonstrate that the intended effect of drisapersen is occurring in patients treated with KYNDRISA.

Michael J. Yee

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Ying Huang with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Ying Huang

Analyst

Oh. Thanks for taking my question. Just one – Hank you mentioned there's imbalance in baseline for the Phase 3. Could you just shed more light about exactly what imbalance was there across different metrics? And then I know you guys have been saying that you have a very strong IP position for drisapersen against Sarepta's product. Hypothetically, if both are approved in the U.S., would you really go to the extreme and potentially blocking them in U.S. or in Europe? Because that would create some bad will from the patients and other organizations. So I'm just curious your thoughts about that. Thank you.

Henry J. Fuchs

Management

So the first part, age, baseline walk, and six-minute difference – I'm sorry, age, baseline walk, and rise-from-floor time are all important prognostic indicators of the change in walk, and they're all imbalanced that is against drisapersen in the 044 placebo controlled study, interestingly not in the other smaller studies, probably due to the width in the eligibility criteria in the Phase 3 trial. And correcting for that confounding improves the treatment benefit. So as we sit here today, age, baseline walk, and rise from floor. And if JJ wants to... Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: Yeah. On the IP, I think we've been asked this question several times. What I need – kind of go back to the facts – I mean Europe, we have an immediately enforceable patent because the regulations are different from the U.S. and we want – I mean if you ask Prosensa that's back in 2011, I think late 2011, we won the proceedings there. Sarepta has appealed but in the European regulations your patent is issued and immediately enforceable even during the appeal. In the U.S., we just won the patent in the first case with the Patent Trial and Appeal Board. We did it through our method-of-use patent. There are other patents that are being evaluated. But I just wanted – just some points of clarification is that in the U.S., whatever happens to the other patents that are being skewed – and by the way, we're pretty confident in the leading of our composition of the other patent in the U.S. similar to the European one where we won the case. But even if we lost there, everything else, it had zero impact on our freedom to operate in the U.S. or in Europe, and it has zero impact on the validity of the current patents in the U.S., and assuming that the patent is maintained on appeal, our ability to protect our intellectual property. That being said, so I don't think we need to make a decision as to what we'll do to defend our intellectual property. It is our intent to aggressively defend our rights here, but let's wait, and see what happens as to who gets approved when, and then we'll determine what is the best strategy going forward.

Ying Huang

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes the Q&A session. I'll now turn the call back to JJ for closing remarks. Jean-Jacques Bienaimé: Thank you. Thank you operators, thank you for being on the call today. We are in summary very pleased with our results for the quarter and for the year-to-date. So we increased our top line revenue guidance for the second time this year to between $880 million and $900 million for the full year in terms of total BioMarin revenues. And that's driven primarily by the continuous successful global launch of VIMIZIM and the strong growth of (1:18:14) KUVAN. So our commercial team will continue to focus on driving further market penetration with VIMIZIM worldwide, as well as taking over the global KUVAN franchise beginning January 1, 2016. So anyway over the next six months, we have numerous development and regulatory opportunities to look forward to, including our advisory committee meeting on November 24 for KYNDRISA, and our PDUFA date of December 27, followed by an anticipated CHMP opinion in the first half of 2016 in Europe, on our marketing authorization application with the EMA, and the potential approval decision in the second half of next year. Also in the fourth quarter, we should – we'll communicate the results – top-line results for our single-arm Phase 2/3 study with the reveglucosidase alfa for Pompe Disease. Then the completion of, and the results of our Phase 1/2 study with cerliponase alfa for CLN2 disorder. And if the data is supportive, anticipate this filing for approval in the first half of 2016. If we do accomplish that, we'd have gone from first in human to filing in basically two-and-a-half years, which is a record, I think, in the industry. And then in March/April of next year, we anticipate communicating results of our pivotal study with pegvaliasefor the treatment of PKU, and the submission of a (1:19:36) for pegvaliase in the second half of next year. And finally, we anticipate – we're planning on a R&D day on April 20, in New York, and we'll update you on all our programs, and more specifically BMN 270 for gene therapy in Hemophilia A, and the vosoritide for achondroplasia, including the Phase 3 plans, and the final Phase 2 updates. So, importantly, we also maintain our goal of becoming profitable on a non-GAAP basis in 2017, assuming an interim approval of KYNDRISA. So we thank you for your continued support, and thank you for joining us on today's call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect, and everyone, have a great day.