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Q1 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 29, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Birkenstock's First Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation we will conduct a question-and-answer session. The company allocated 60 minutes in total to this conference call. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Alexander Hoff, Vice President of Global Finance.

Alexander Hoff

Management

Hello, and thank you, everyone for joining us today. On the call are Oliver Reichert, Director of Birkenstock Holdings plc and Chief Executive Officer of the Birkenstock Group; and Erik Massmann, Chief Financial Officer of the Birkenstock Group; David Kahan, President Americas; Niko Bouyakhf, President Europe; and Klaus Baumann, Chief Sales Officer will join us today on the Q&A section to answer your questions with regards to the information we are sharing this morning. Please keep in mind that our fiscal year-end September 30, thus, our first quarter of fiscal year 2024 ended on December 31, 2023. You may find the press release and the supplemental presentation connected to today's discussion on our Investor Relations website, birkenstock-holding.com. We would like to remind you that some of the information provided during this call is forward-looking and accordingly is subject to the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to various risks, uncertainties and assumptions, which could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. These risks, uncertainties and assumptions are detailed in the morning's press release as well as our filings with the SEC, which can be found on our website at birkenstock-holding.com. We undertake no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements or information except as required by law. During the call, all revenue growth rates will be cited on a constant currency basis, unless otherwise stated. We will also reference certain non-IFRS financial information. We use non-IFRS measures as we believe they represent the operational performance and underlying results of our business more accurately. The presentation of this non-IFRS financial information is not intended to be considered by itself or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with IFRS. Reconciliations of IFRS to non-IFRS measures can be found in the morning's press release and in our SEC filings. With that, I'll turn the call over to Oliver.

Oliver Reichert

Management

Thanks, Alexander. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining today's call. It's great to be here with you to discuss another exceptional quarter. We achieved the highest revenue level for the first quarter in our company's history, driven by growing demand for our products across all regions, channels and categories. Accordingly, revenue grew by 26% versus our first quarter last year. We also successfully increased our production capacity as planned, penetrated our largely untapped white space areas and maintained our strong profit formula. Our revenue growth was driven by an increase in both ASP and units. ASP benefited from the continued shift to premium products, a favorable channel mix towards D2C and sales price increases. Additionally, units sold also increased as additional production capacity became available in Germany and Portugal to fuel our supply capabilities to meet the growing demand in our products. The strength of the Birkenstock brand is evidenced by continued high levels of full price validation across all points of distribution. We have observed that general consumer shopping has transitioned from shopping arbitrarily to intentional purchasing where consumers are seeking the key brands and products they love. Accordingly, we remain highly confident in our ability to continue our strong performance through fiscal 2024 and beyond. Our DTC channel was once again our fastest-growing channel in the first quarter of fiscal '24, resulting in a 53% share of revenue. Members of our fast-growing membership program are highly engaged and most to expand their purchases of our brand. As the average U.S. Birkenstock consumer owns 3.6 pairs, this growing membership base of loyal fans is proving to be fertile ground for our expansion and is a key focus for us in fiscal year 2024. Despite a challenging backdrop in the wholesale market, our B2B business achieved healthy revenue…

Erik Massmann

Management

Thanks, Oliver, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with Birkenstock's performance in the first quarter of fiscal 2024. While the broader consumer environment continued to be challenging, our brand once again proved to be extremely healthy and our growth algorithm to be firmly intact. Birkenstock is one of the few must-carry brands in the wholesale channel that also drive shoppers to retail stores and our DTC channels, particularly as consumers become more intentional in their purchases. This trend is reflected in our first quarter fiscal 2024 results, which includes the holiday season. Let's have a look into the details of first quarter results. Revenue was EUR 303 million, representing an increase of 26% versus prior year. Birkenstock generated double-digit growth across all segments and channels, demonstrating the desirability and resilience of our brand. We are particularly excited by our DTC performance, which was up by 30% versus prior year, driving DTC penetration to a 53% share of our revenue. At the same time, we increased B2B revenue by 22%. Gross profit margin for first quarter fiscal 2024 was 61%, down 70 basis points compared to prior year. While we successfully recovered inflation by increasing sales prices and optimizing our channel and product mix, a slight margin compression was mainly caused by our ongoing capacity expansion and an unfavorable currency translation. Adjusted selling and distribution expenditures were EUR 103 million, representing 34% of revenue in the first quarter of fiscal 2024, generally in line with the first quarter of fiscal 2023. As a reminder, our first quarter is typically the quarter with the highest DTC share. And therefore, generally shows the highest selling and distribution spend as a percentage of revenue. Adjusted general and administration expenses were EUR 24 million and 7.9% of revenue, up 110 basis points compared to…

Oliver Reichert

Management

Thank you very much, Erik. Let me summarize our discussion. We are very pleased with the strong start to fiscal '24, with continued strong consumer demand for our products both classic and new emerging products. We are executing on our proven engineered distribution strategy, ensuring high levels of full price realization across all segments and channels. We remain committed to building on our foundation for success and driving long-term sustainable growth guided by our principles of function, quality and tradition. The exceptional first quarter results demonstrate the resilience of our business. In the Americas, we gained further growth momentum by deepening our DTC footprint while building on the loyal and steadily growing following. In Europe, our transformation plan is now paying off. At the same time, we are entering the next chapter of our growth trajectory as we tap into our largest whitespace market, the APMA region, increasing brand awareness and taking market share while following our playbook of disciplined engineered distribution. We believe this will catapult us on a new growth trajectory in the future, as demand continues to outpace supply in all segments and channels. Given our continued momentum, we are even more confident in the guidance we provided you just last month, while our strategic investment in sustainable growth temporarily impacts our profitability in mid-term. We are fully committed to steering our business in line with a gross profit margin over 60% and an adjusted EBITDA margin in the low 30s percent mid-term. We are carefully tracking costs on the sourcing and production side as our capacity expansion is proceeding as expected. We continue to recover the impact of inflation through selective price increases. So in short, we are very pleased to report that we have never been in a better position to grow our business. Birkenstock is 250 years strong and we have a long runway for growth ahead. I would now kindly ask the operator to open our Q&A session. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. We ask that on today's call you limit yourself to one question. [Operator Instructions] And the first question today is coming from Dana Telsey from Telsey Group.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

Congratulations on the nice results today. Last quarter, you had mentioned some of the impacts of inflation and the AUR increases that you were taking? What are you seeing on those inflationary impacts? And it sounds like the new manufacturing facility how -- what's happening with capacity utilization? What are you seeing there? And how do you think about leverage?

Alexander Hoff

Management

This is Alexander. I will take that over. So first of all, for the cadence of our earnings, we aren't going to guide on quarterly margins. But what I can tell you is that we are very pleased with our margins, especially in a situation where we took the strategic decision to substantially increase production capacity. And please be reminded that it's not only [parseval] we opened in September. It is also our expansion in Goerlitz and our expansion in Portugal, and we are very happy to see that expansion because it gives us possibility to meet future demand. We already touched on that, that those effects will slightly impact our margins in '24. This is clearly a temporary effect. We fully accounted in our guidance and our plans for and on the installation side. Oliver mentioned, we are heavily tracking the cost of sourcing and production. We see for this year, low- to mid-single-digit cost inflation, mainly labor and raw materials, which we expect to mitigate through our selected price increases. Again, all those are reflected in our guidance. And to sum it up, we are fully committed to steer our business in line with the gross profit margin over 60% and an adjusted EBITDA margin in the low 30s in the mid-term.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Ed Aubin from Morgan Stanley.

Ed Aubin

Analyst

So just on the mix, the closed toe, I think you said that it's the sales now exceeded the sales of sandals. Are you talking about more than 50% of sales just to clarify, because my recollection, but maybe I'm wrong was that close to penetration was about 30% of sales last year. So that would be quite a steep increase. And then just related to that, Oliver, you mentioned that a number of products did well in closed toe. But could you provide a little bit more color between the sneakers, sleepers, boots and the Boston? Is the Boston now exceeding 20% of your sales or not?

David Kahan

Analyst

Edward, this is David. I'll take this. Yes, I mean, during the holiday season, which is more of a sell-through than a sell-in season, results for closed toe footwear in general were quite significant. D2C 53% were non-sandals. That's across all closed toe categories from sneakers to slippers to clogs. Some of the sell-throughs on our new boots like the Highwood and the Prescot we're exceeding all expectations. And just to give you a little bit more color, absolutely, the Boston is what you would call the hot clog. But within the clog category, sales of everything other than Boston, including the Tokyo, which is basically a backstrap plug, the Newser MOD 360, the Buckley all exceeded expectations. Sales in clogs other than Boston, we're 75% higher. So it's a broadly based closed toe business right now. And I think that's quite significant to say that this was the first time that non-sandals were the larger percentage of our business.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is coming from Mark Altschwager from Baird.

Mark Altschwager

Analyst

Congratulations on the strong results here. So the sustained shift to premium products is nice to hear. How should we be thinking about ASP growth both this year and longer term? Is mid-single digits still the right expectation? Or are you gaining some confidence that it could be higher than this given the success you're seeing in the premium price points?

Alexander Hoff

Management

That's a great view. You're absolutely right. And you saw that also in the Q4 numbers we reported just a month ago that we see a great shift towards premium products. Boston is helping clearly, but also other products, colleagues already mentioned that. Overall, it's a fair assumption to be in the mid- to high single-digit ASP growth. And we already mentioned that we allocate roughly 1/3 to the product side to the channel side and to the pricing side. Between the quarters and between the years, there can be some little shift. And yes, maybe this year, there's a little shift towards the product side. But overall, in the long run you should be good with this third number.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Matthew Boss from JP Morgan.

Matthew Boss

Analyst

Congrats on another nice quarter. Oliver, could you elaborate on your increased confidence in this year's guide? Or have you seen any change in top line momentum post-holiday relative to the more than 20% constant currency growth that we saw last quarter, just as you think about demand exceeding supply.

Oliver Reichert

Management

As you know, Matt, demand of our products has exceeded our supply for years. We have had to invest in our growth capacity which will lead to a planned moderate margin compression, as we said and as we showed in our model in the short- to mid-term. However, this will be more than compensated for in the mid-term by further qualitatively growth in all regions and channels and the higher overall efficiency in production. So for the moment, we stay with our outlook and our guidance we just gave you a month ago. Just keep in mind, Matt, that the first quarter is our weakest quarter normally. It's pretty strong already. So yes, you can see us smiling and very confident.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is coming from Louise Singlehurst from Goldman Sachs.

Louise Singlehurst

Analyst

Just on that point of the greater confidence in a particular region, which has made you feel a little bit warmer about life as we look at the year ahead since January, and particularly, on Europe given the big acceleration there, is there anything on the timing of deliveries or phasing or anything that we should think about as we go through into Q2 as well?

Nico Bouyakhf

Analyst

Luoise, this is Nico speaking heading up Europe. So first of all, we are very, very delighted to see Europe completing the transformation plan. We shared the details with you during the IPO and shared more details with you in the last quarter's call. Q4 fiscal '23 was impacted by transformational efforts. Now as we almost completed our transformational plan, these impacts become smaller, almost minimal. And we are very, very confident with our current position in the European market. The overall market is soft, as you know, but we are very, very strongly positioned and two years of hard work in our transformation plan are now paying off. So Q1 is another quarter, we substantially increased our ASP. It's another quarter where revenues significantly outflow units. And it's another quarter where our closed toe shoe business is growing faster than our sandals business. As Oliver mentioned, in this quarter that is bridging two seasons, we had two consecutive price adjustments, no signs of rejection and our full price realization is superior to the market. So that shows you that we have done our homework in Europe and we are very, very confident about how we look into the future.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Sam Poser from Williams Trading.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

I got two questions. Sorry, I'm going to break the rule. The first question is about your inventory levels that at the end of the year -- at the end of last year represented about seven -- the sales that followed in Q2 and Q3 last year represented around 73% of the inventory you had at the end of Q1, your cost of goods. Is that -- was that accurate? Because -- or should we expect that same kind of thing this year? Or are you expecting to slow down the turn a little bit? I mean, because if I'm looking at it from an inventory productivity perspective looking forward.

Oliver Reichert

Management

That was number one.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

[inaudible] because I got cut off last.

Oliver Reichert

Management

No big -- had no second one, Sam. Depends on the length of the answer, no. As you see -- as you saw that changes certainly the inventory level, but you're always aware that 20% of the inventory would be raw materials and work in progress. And the vast majority of the carryover products and already contracted value and the healthy inventory shown by the full price more than 90% especially due to the classic styles and so on. The ratio actually came down if you compare to Q1 last year, 42% inventory to sales ratio versus 35% last year that is higher than end of Q4. Now this is obviously due to the fact that in Q2, we do the whole sale shipment and we pre-produced to be ready and prepared for the big shipments, which we do in Q2. So it's a, in line with the development in the past, and b, getting better year-over-year because we work hard on this. And as you see, successfully it was 3% downturn already in Q1 this year.

Samuel Poser

Analyst

And then secondly, the average selling price increase, how much -- can you break that down of the mid- to high-singles whatever it's going to be by pricing -- by the actual taking of price and then channel product and geographic mix that may be helping or hurting in the those places.

Alexander Hoff

Management

Yes, this is Alexander. I will take that over. We saw just a little effect in channel mix. Last year's quarter was even that strong than this year's quarter. So there's a slightly positive effect, but you can reject that. The other two are more relevant, which is the pricing point, Nico touched on that, especially in the Europe and APA region with price increases and let's say, the other 50% is related to the product piece.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Sharon Zackfia from William Blair.

Sharon Zackfia

Analyst

I just wanted to come back to the full year guide. I mean you've obviously started with a really strong December and I think the implication would be growth would moderate to 15% to 17% top line for the rest of the year, which is very, very healthy, but obviously below the trend you've been at. Is there any particular part of the world or wholesaler DTC, where we would expect to see some deceleration because of what's happening with capacity expansion or anything else as we think about the rest of the year? Or is it more a reflection of it? It's still early in the year and there's inherent uncertainty just generally in the environment.

Oliver Reichert

Management

It's really about having -- just assuring the guidance four weeks ago. And on the other hand, it's just the first quarter. We see a lot of demand in the markets, all channels, all geographics. And so honestly, we will just feel much better as we stay with our guidance for the moment. As you know, we already have some information about Q2, of course. So you may see us changing our position, but for the moment, we are good with the guidance.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is coming from Simeon Siegel from BMO Capital Markets.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Could you elaborate at all on the increased shelf space for the European B2B? Is that gaining new partners deeper with specific existing partners, both? Just any further color there because that was really great to hear. And then if you could quantify the main gross margin drivers this quarter, perhaps just isolating one time-ish ramp costs versus the underlying performance and how you're thinking about those within gross margin going forward?

Oliver Reichert

Management

I'll take the first part. The good news is, and that's really something which is really super strong message. I would say that we did this 26% growth more or less with 95 of the existing doors. So you can really imagine that we grab shelf space in the different doors. And we really expand their interest in the brand and their sell-out and their overall behavior towards the brand is super, super positive. And we are very proud that we can generate such a huge growth with existing partners. So you can imagine that once we add other doors and go in different categories because you know that we have a lot of white space categories in our back end. This will deliver a massive view to growth. That's why we are so confident about our long-term outlook and our profitability. And that's why we're investing that amount of money in doubling the capacity, again, really keep in mind that this company is doubling their capacity. It's not just slight increase. It's a doubling of the whole thing. So that's heavy lifting and we're planning to do this within the next three years. So yes, we are super confident.

Nico Bouyakhf

Analyst

This is Nico. So to add a bit to what Oliver just shared, yes, B2B was very, very strong in Q1. In fact, it outgrew our DTC business but yet DTC increased revenues high double-digit. So actually, that's the magic thing with us. One doesn't go at the expense of the other. If I look at the B2B growth, basically, three things drove that growth. One, we had a very, very strong order book for autumn-winter '23. For B2B, our closed toe business grew 5x harder than our sandal business. So that shows you that we are also taking the success from DTC with our postal business into B2B. And then for even for spring-summer '24, we even had a stronger order book. So what's currently happening is retailers are not just increasing their orders with us. They're also over proportionately increasing their orders on earlier delivery days in order to be ready to serve consumers earlier. That's the second thing. And then, as Oliver just shared in his intro, we enjoy currently a very high growth rate of our professionals product. So you saw the product. It's an expansionary category. We shared with you the product in unique fully certified, presented as the biggest trade fair and are now getting a really strong demand from retailers in which is helping us to push our business again beyond the sandals category.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is coming from Brian Hutchinson from Bank of America.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Analyst

This is Lorraine Hutchinson for Bank of America. I wanted to just ask you to comment a little bit on the Asia growth trajectory. What are you hearing from consumers there? It sounds like the product acceptance closed toe has been great. Have the price increases been greeted with the same level of success as Europe? And how do you envision that business growing over the next several years?

Klaus Baumann

Analyst

Klaus here running the APMA region. First of all, I think it's very important to understand that we are growing everywhere in the APMA region. So we are right now setting up Greater China, Japan, Indonesia, Southeast Asia, and we are now opening a lot of partner stores and we see very strong sellout growth in existing stores. And also, we are building our own fleet and also optimizing our DTC business there. So DTC business, for example, we have very strong results on the last 1111 event. And with this, we can see and we keep building a lot of confidence in this sector. So teams are all on ground and we are heading forward. Price increase had no effect at all. Generally, the prices are like 10% to 15% higher in this region already and mainly there is a history on our product in the key markets. So on that side, no negative trends or any rejection from the consumers. I think we are very beginning in this region and there is a huge white space everywhere. So we're looking very confident towards and continuing this growth path.

Operator

Operator

The next question is coming from Randy Konik from Jefferies.

Randy Konik

Analyst

I just want to talk about elaborate -- talk more about the closed toe strength. And it appears, David, your comments earlier that there's just a higher acceleration in adoption of this part of the bids. So maybe give us some perspective or remind us where you think closed toe penetration, where you had said it would be previously? And does this kind of thing make you think that closed toe penetration can become even higher part of the business than you previously might have thought. And remind us maybe what are the differentials in ASPs of closed toe versus sandals because you might get a benefit there potentially with mix as well.

David Kahan

Analyst

Yes, the response to closed toe and the adoption to our closed-toe products has been even better than I think we expected. And again, you're in a holiday season where we're talking about a quarter that used to be when Birkenstock was pretty dormant as you remember in the market. No longer are we dormant in fall winter. Right now on our own direct-to-consumer, to put it in perspective fall winter is over 50% of the mix, which is driven by closed toe products. I think the beauty of it is closed toe includes everything from clogs to boots and every style that we have put in the market, whether it's direct-to-consumer or whether it's in our best retail partners has been performing very, very well. Obviously, there is a significant mix impact, which will increase the ASP overall. I just think the consumer adoption has been very, very high. Again, you have to remember our membership represented 49% of our direct-to-consumer business. And when you start to share things like closed toe products with members, who have a 2x click-through rate versus non-members. You're starting to see the return on investment be much higher and the higher adoption rate between returning customers. So I think what we said originally in our roadshow and pre-IPO about the potential of closed toe product probably might be conservative based on what we're seeing right now and that's a good thing.

Alexander Hoff

Management

Just to add to this one. Thank you, David. For Europe, what we can see is among the top 10 revenue driving models, five are closed toe and three are boots. And one of this boot is the boot that we just introduced. So the boots are the Highwood, the Stellen, the Bryson and these are higher price points, so we can migrate consumers into higher price point product and also into non-sandals products. What we are currently seeing is during the autumn winter '24 B2B order intake, retailers are going with us that part. So they're really believing us that we can transition the success from DTC into B2B. So we are very confident about the closed toe business but also the closed shoe and boots business.

Oliver Reichert

Management

And this is like ultimately the answer of, okay, how can you grow 26% on the same amount of doors? How is this possible? So this is really like it shows the strength of the brand and as we said, in during the roadshow and we saw some skeptical faces there. This is a new category for this brand having this closed toe shoe option. And now in a very relatively short-term, you see like we're performing super well in this segment.

David Kahan

Analyst

And just to add one last point there because obviously, the U.S. market is fairly developed to grow at the rate that we grew when 95% of that revenue growth is coming from not only existing accounts but existing doors that really shows the strength of retailers and consumers in expanding our brand way beyond the sandal category.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question is coming from Paul Lejuez from Citi.

Paul Lejuez

Analyst

Two months in through the second quarter. Just curious if you can share how you're thinking about top line growth in 2Q, given what you've seen to date and how should we be thinking about gross margin? Not just in 2Q, but as we move through the year, I think first quarter came in a little bit better than what you were thinking. If you can give us any color there in terms of how gross margin looks relative to last year, as we move throughout the year?

Erik Massmann

Management

I think I can reference to what I said before. 24 ' the transition year, we talked about margin, EBITDA and gross margin. Clearly, we see the effects from capacity. There are also some other effects, which influence or could influence our margins you saw in Q1, just with 110 basis points from currency translation, just to a weaker U.S. dollar compared to prior year's number overall. On the margin side, what we can say, you see us outperformed the [Sarcoma Financials] Q2 margin is always -- gross margins always a little bit below the other quarters due to the high wholesale share. But on an annual basis, we will stick with the numbers we gave out. And let's see, we are absolutely positive on that but let's see what will come out.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Michael Binetti from Evercore ISI.

Michael Binetti

Analyst

Let me just follow that one really quickly with you, Erik. If I just follow the work on the IPO and the consensus numbers here, it does look like a pretty meaningful step down in gross margin in 2Q as expected. Is that -- it looks like 600, 700 basis points. Is the change in B2C versus B2B growth rate that drastic when we look at 2Q versus 1Q or the other quarters in the year to explain that big step down? And then I was just wondering on the gross margin, if you could help us quantify a little bit. Just the how much you thought the mix effects were, but more so, do you have any way to quantify the impact of the factory absorption on the gross margin in the first quarter so we understand that? I'm curious if the unit growth rate in the quarter was maybe above what you planned. If we see that continue, does that -- does the accounting for that mean that you're pulling forward incremental units that have a higher per cost unit from the new factories? Or do you see better leverage if you pull forward unit growth? I'm trying to understand how to model forward the factory absorption component on the grosses?

Erik Massmann

Management

So it's clearly in Q2 without giving a concrete number, but you're absolutely right, with such a high wholesale share we will see a lower margin. This is typical seasonality. We have it in every year. You saw it also in Q1, where you have a generally higher D2C share, which gives you better gross margin. The other way around in Q2 on the EBITDA margin level, there's not that much impact from the channel perspective. And on the second one, so do we see -- or did we already see some absorption from the new capacity in Q1? Actually, these are also products we produced some months ago. So this is not a material effect in Q1. And we also opened parcel in September. So with ramping up currently, we are in the ramp-up phase, which will last until '25. So you have not seen it substantially in the numbers going forward on a full year basis. This is the main effect on ' 24 numbers, gross margin and EBITDA margin. So the capacity expansion, but again, a temporary effect.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is coming from Edward Yruma from Piper Sandler.

Edward Yruma

Analyst

I know one of the big product priorities has been EVA and really kind of more water sports. I would love a quick update on performance there, particularly in APMA. And we noted that you're introducing more kind of water sports sandals in the Americas. Curious if you have any early reads this season.

Klaus Baumann

Analyst

Hello, Klause, again, I'm not sure if I understood you right, but you're asking performance for EVA in the APMA region. Obviously, the territory in APMA is a very good region for us and we are building on that. These non-core sandals especially for the territories with rain time and stuff. This is in the plan. Absolutely. In this moment, we are really doing kind of balancing our very well how much product we are putting into this region also for controlling our ASP and also, yes, well building the qualitative part of the brand on the product side, too.

David Kahan

Analyst

Ed, I think you asked also about EVA in the Americas, just as reference. And just as a reminder, we've said this before, but that's all incremental product footwork. There is not a pair of EVA that takes away a pair of cork. We've seen absolutely the opposite. We see this demand flywheel, where every product that we continue to expand in the market drives more and more demand across the line. So whether it's water sports, whether it's after performance sport use, it's purely incremental and it's additional use occasions. And any time we can open up our brand to additional use occasions, it's more pairs than somebody's wardrobe and it's more top line revenue. And just to remember also, regardless of the ASP on EVA, it may carry potentially a higher EBITDA margin. So it's not directly related to ASP when it comes to that product.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's Q&A section. And also, this concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

Oliver Reichert

Management

Thank you.