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Brookfield Infrastructure Partners L.P. (BIP)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 6, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome to the Brookfield Infrastructure Partners 2013 Third Quarter Conference Call and webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. (Operator Instructions) At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Tracey Wise, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead Ms. Wise.

Tracey Wise

Management

Thank you, operator and good morning. Thank you all for joining us for Brookfield Infrastructure Partners' third quarter 2013 earnings conference call. On the call today, is our newly appointed Chief Financial Officer, Bahir Manios, who’ll review our financial results and key business and operational highlights; and Sam Pollock, Chief Executive Officer, who will discuss our growth initiatives and the outlook for our business. Following their remarks, we look forward to taking your questions and comments. At this time, I would like to remind you that in responding to questions and in talking about our growth initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results may differ materially. For further information on known risks factors, I would encourage you to review our annual report on Form 20-F, which is available on our website. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Bahir.

Bahir Manios

Management

Thanks, Tracey and good morning everyone. In my remarks, I will focus on FFO which is a proxy for cash flow from operation. I'll also focus on AFFO yields, which is a measure of how effectively we deploy our capital. Our results this quarter were strong as virtually all of our operations performed better than the prior year. Organic growth across most of our operations and incremental earnings on capital that we deployed over the past 12 months more than offset the impact of asset sales. Funds from operations or FFO for the quarter were $167 million or $0.80 per unit representing year-over-year increases of 48% and 38% respectively. We generated an AFFO yield of 12% and our payout ratio remains conservative currently at 59%, which is below our long-term target range of 60% to 70%. Our utilities business generated FFO of $97 million in the period compared to $80 million in the third quarter of 2012. The increase was primarily due to the impact from the investments made in our UK regulated distribution business and our Chilean electricity transmission systems at the end of last year. Excluding the contribution from these investments, our underlying performance was solid, benefitting from inflation indexation and additions to the rate base of our existing operations as well as lower financing costs. We also continue to advance a number of priorities in our utilities business. During the quarter, we closed on a $150 million financing at our Chilean transmission business which related to an expansion project we commissioned earlier this year. The financing was completed at an attractive rate of 225 basis points of our LIBOR and matures in 2028. In October, we commissioned the second segment of our Texas transmission system which we expect to have fully commissioned into the rate base by…

Sam Pollock

Management

I would like to begin my remarks by addressing an issue that's been asked about a lot recently. And that is the potential impact that rising interest rates may have on Brookfield Infrastructure's financial and unit price performance going forward. We don't profess to know when or if interest rates will rise further, however, we can state that we have for the last several years, during this historically low interest rate environment, operated our business on the assumptions that rates would return to more to more traditional levels. In addition, we do not believe that higher interest rates are necessarily bad for infrastructure assets; in fact, we believe the opposite, as higher rates will in all likelihood be accompanied by higher inflation and economic growth which are generally beneficial for our business. So let me start with how we operate our business. Since our inception we have deployed a consistent investment strategy whereby we target acquisition opportunities where we could invest on a value basis and earn attractive total returns of 12% to 15%. We consciously ensured that we did not reduce our return requirements when interest rates declined dramatically nor did we assume that interest rates would stay at these low levels in perpetuity in our valuation models. This may have put us at a cost of capital disadvantage for a period of time compared to the approach taken by some other investors, but we felt it was a prudent investment approach. From a risk management perspective, we predominantly finance each of our operations with long-term, fixed rate debt on a non-recourse basis to Brookfield Infrastructure and utilize investment grade structures to provide us resiliency through economic cycles. Furthermore, we have been extremely active over the past several years, extending maturities and locking in low interest rates. Our current…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now being the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Our first question is from Young Ku with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Young Ku - Wells Fargo

Analyst

Sam, you made a pretty convincing agreement regarding your assets being protected against rising interest rates from cash flow generation perspective but just wondering if you can comment on kind of the impact on asset value perspective, I mean historically speaking how the infrastructure multiples characterizing the interest, rising the environment.

Sam Pollock

Management

I didn’t quite get the full question there but if I can paraphrase and correct me if I’m wrong, I think you question was in rising interest rate environment multiples tend to come down, was that basically your question or do they?

Young Ku - Wells Fargo

Analyst

Yes. Whether that’s kind of [indiscernible]?

Sam Pollock

Management

I actually didn’t go into all the various components of driving a multiple but I think the main takeaway you should have from my comments was that more often not people just do one way changes when they look at dais (Ph) for businesses, if they see rationalizing interest rates they just assume that this is just a corresponding reduction in investment return requirement and reduce multiples but what they don’t take into account is that on the revenue side there is significant changes that are going on and in many cases a lot of the reasons why we would pay higher multiples as more we do with the grow profit for business than the actual cost of capital that we’re driving to. And so, it’s just not a very simplistic valuation equation and our main points for investors is don’t just assume values decline because interest rates are going up. In fact in many of our assets we think they’ll rise, there will be businesses and ones that we have sold are the ones where we felt that they were in particular very sensitive to long term interest rates.

Young Ku - Wells Fargo

Analyst

Maybe this is for maybe this is for Bahir or Sam. So you previously talked about kind of FFO per share going up by 10% plus per year hence why you kind of increased the distribution growth to 5% to 9%. I’m just wondering if whether that still stays intact and why once you raise kind of to 5% to 9% higher since historically you’ve been able to increase by 10% plus as well.

Sam Pollock

Management

I think when we said that the targets and when the Board ultimately decide what the distribution levels will be, we look at a number of factors and it isn’t necessary the past and it’s not looking at one year, we tend to take a much longer term perspective when setting these targets and our view is that we can generate a 10% long term annual FFO growth in the business and based on our structure with the maintaining parallel levels at the levels that we have met today that results in distribution growth in the mid 7 which is in the middle of range and so we just decided to give ourselves a band slightly below and above to take into account unforeseen wins or losses. And thus that was the rationale for that level. We obviously hope to over achieve that and that’s what we’re paid to do. But we thought that was a reasonable target to set for ourselves and convey to our unit holders.

Young Ku - Wells Fargo

Analyst

So, in the letter to shareholders, you talked about transition from capital recycling mode, kind of capital deployment mode and I know previously you had some noncore assets that you are looking to sell. Could you just let us know what kind of magnitude in terms of dollar amount that noncore assets remain within your portfolio and when would you expect to be out of these?

Sam Pollock

Management

When we look at recycling assets it really is a reflection of where they are in their lifecycle and what our capital requirements are. So, currently we have significant amount of liquidity and so we are focused more on capital deployment and reason for the liquidity. In addition to that the obvious candidates for us to look at regarding non-core asset sales would be those investments that are either very tiny and don’t have significant growth and I guess probably our distribution business in the Channel Islands would be one that was fallen to that category. And then we have a number of investments where we don’t have the level of operating control that we would typically like to have. And so I would say in the near term we don’t have plans to dispose of any of them from a dilation perspective, I don’t think they are all operating at their full potential and there is still recovery underway. But I think over the next three to five years it wouldn’t be unreasonable that we would consider [indiscernible] throughout the businesses.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Cherilyn Radbourne of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst

You did mention in your prepared remarks that you didn’t reduce your return requirements when interest rates declined and that may have put you at a disadvantage relative to others. Can you just give us a bit of perspective on whether you are seeing any change in the way others are underwriting transactions, either in terms of economic growth assumptions or their interest rate assumptions? TD Securities: You did mention in your prepared remarks that you didn’t reduce your return requirements when interest rates declined and that may have put you at a disadvantage relative to others. Can you just give us a bit of perspective on whether you are seeing any change in the way others are underwriting transactions, either in terms of economic growth assumptions or their interest rate assumptions?

Sam Pollock

Management

I think the change is relatively recent; so the move up in long bonds really just took place a number of quarters ago. So it’s probably premature for us to have enough data points or examples where we have seen that change. I would say just in my discussions with peers my sense is that as we have been saying for quite some time the pricing level for utility type assets has become quite aggressive. And so I think there are a lot of investors who recognize that now so I think you may see some people take a more balanced approach in that regard. And I think we have been advocating acquiring more GDP sense of assets for some time now as a counter balance to that. And I think others are thinking along the same lines. So I wouldn’t want to say we were the ones leading the charge but I do think that there is may be a little bit of shift towards some of the things that we have been talking about the last couple of quarters or years.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst

Could you just comment on what your FFO would have looked like this quarter without the benefit of your foreign exchange hedging program? TD Securities: Could you just comment on what your FFO would have looked like this quarter without the benefit of your foreign exchange hedging program?

Bahir Manios

Management

Hi Cherilyn, this is Bahir. So we did have a positive impact from our FFO hedging program in the quarter. It wasn’t very material I think where we see some tailwinds in or positive results coming from that program will be in depositions that we have put on for the next 24 months in fact especially for Australian dollar FFO. So we see going forward a bigger positive impact, although in the current quarter it was positive but yet not all that material to them.

Cherilyn Radbourne

Analyst

And then last one from me, the supplemental refers us to large scale projects that NGPL; can you just elaborate a little bit there? TD Securities: And then last one from me, the supplemental refers us to large scale projects that NGPL; can you just elaborate a little bit there?

Bahir Manios

Management

Sure Cherilyn, it’s Bahir again. So there are, we have been very focused this year just repairing doing a lot of stress crack and corrosion work in older parts of our pipeline. And so we don’t think these are non-recurring, we, 2013 if you look at our maintenance CapEx that we spent in the energy segment which predominantly comes from that business far exceeds where we think sustainable levels will be. So shift relates to our circle of those projects which we expect will reoccur again in Q4 and may be into the early part of 2014 before we reach more sustainable levels there.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Paul Tan with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Paul Tan

Analyst

Regarding your Arteris investment could you clarify how much percentage of Arteris is owned through the - before the joint venture and is there a proportion that is owned directly by BIP or Brookfield entity? Credit Suisse: Regarding your Arteris investment could you clarify how much percentage of Arteris is owned through the - before the joint venture and is there a proportion that is owned directly by BIP or Brookfield entity?

Bahir Manios

Management

Hi Paul, it’s Bahir. So the combined joined venture owns about 70% of Arteris and then Brookfield and other institutional partners own an additional 15% or 14%. So combined between the Brookfield led consortium and our partner of [indiscernible] we own approximately 84% of the operating company Arteris.

Paul Tan - Credit Suisse

Analyst

And secondly with that, does that put you over, obviously the 75% with regards to the choices that you have to make with that going forward whether or not it’s to decrease below 75 or to do an outright takeover the whole entity. What your thoughts or plans going forward with being 84%?

Sam Pollock

Management

Hi, Paul. I guess our current view is in fact at we don’t go that level because a portion of the shares held within the Brookfield consortium are in relation to institutional investors that invest along side of us and consequently that’s the position we’ve taken with the regulators, but we’re waiting to hear back from them and see if they have different view. So it’s unclear at the moment and I think in the next little while we will be informed of the situation by [indiscernible].

Paul Tan - Credit Suisse

Analyst

Great, thank you. And lastly, with regards to one of the items that you have on your outlook with exclusive negotiations for a large general cargo infrastructure, could you confirm if that is Vale’s VLI’s assets?

Sam Pollock

Management

Yes, we can confirm. They made a public announcement hence the reason why we not comfortable in referring to it. But that’s really all we can say about the transaction at this time.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Bert Powell with BMO Capital Markets. Please go head.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Here just back to the toll roads for a minute; this was a good quarter for FFO, a good sequential increase, can you help us understand how much of that was just organic improvements in the Chilean toll roads, the Arteris versus what the bump was from the increased investment that came in the September?

Sam Pollock

Management

Sure Bert, thank. So we recorded approximately $6 million of FFO relating to the partial contribution from the step up in our interest in that company that happened in the second week of September. So that aided our results, if you took that out we were at $20 million which I believe was relatively flat to Q2. So going forward in Q4, you’ll see obviously the bigger contribution coming out of that business once we get the full benefit of the step up in Arteris coming to our results and then looking into 2014, we will then achieve higher levels as our Chilean toll road continues to step up its earnings perform.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

How should we think about that sequential six, is that a third is it one month that’s in there or should we bump that to an additional 18 million a quarter? Just try to think what the six represents, is it a third or is it more, I’m not sure?

Sam Pollock

Management

Bert that’s not about assumption although I would caution that anytime you do these partial quarter contributions, there is always maybe some noise that may come through you results. But in all material respect if you did exactly what you said, I think you would get to a good run rate at least for Q4.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then just with respect to capital opportunity on widening the roads and increase traffic, is that material at this point?

Sam Pollock

Management

I would say, the benefits of that are probably more backend loaded to years 20, 16, 17, 18, I think the capital project are in mid swing and it will probably take at least two years to break the back most of them. But we do think that there are great opportunities for us.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay thank, can you also maybe give us just your thoughts in terms of how much equity BIP would be comfortable with in this Vale asset assuming you are successful?

Sam Pollock

Management

I guess what I can say is, we obviously invest in business alongside other institutional investors. As you know or may have seen that the scale of the transactions is about 2 billion, which is anywhere between $800 million to $900 million. And we typically take anywhere between 40% to 50% of a transaction. That would probably give you a ballpark size; it will be reasonable but obviously not gargantuan for us.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

And then just back to your comments last time we talked about assets that are out of favor with capital markets. Were you referring to the cooling asset or were you, did you have other assets you had in mind?

Sam Pollock

Management

Generally when we we’re talking assets that are out of favor, we're these days normally referring to the shipping sector and the mining sector. Those are the areas where we see lots of businesses are capital constrained, and who are large owners of infrastructure assets. And so we have been building our relationships with companies in those sectors for some time.

Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

And that pipeline still looks fairly robust at valuation that you think are in, kind of where you delineate them?

Sam Pollock

Management

It does yes.

Operator

Operator

This concludes time allocated for questions on today's call. I will now hand the call back over to Mr. Pollock for closing comments.

Sam Pollock

Management

Thank you operator. With that I would just like to thank everyone for participating on today's call and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter to view our progress. Have a nice week.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.