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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 7, 2017

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Operator

Operator

My name is Kayla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Third Quarter Fiscal 2017 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Jay Koval, Director of Investor Relations, you may begin, sir. Jay Koval

Jay Koval

Analyst · Evercore

Thanks Kayla and good morning everyone. I want to thank you for joining us for Brown-Forman’s third quarter 2017 earnings call. Joining me today are Paul Varga, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Jane Morreau, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Brian Fitzgerald, Chief Accounting Officer. This morning’s conference call contains forward-looking statements based on our current expectations. Numerous risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated or projected in these statements. Many of the factors that will determine future results are beyond the Company’s ability to control or predict. You should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements and the company undertakes no obligation to update any of these statements, whether due to new information, future events or otherwise. This morning, we issued a press release containing our results for the third quarter of fiscal 2017. In addition to posting presentation materials that Jane will walk through momentarily. Both the release and the presentation can be found on our website under the section titled Investors, Events & Presentations. In the press release, we have listed a number of the risk factors that you should consider in conjunction with our forward-looking statements. Other significant risk factors are described in our Form 10-K, Form 8-K and Form 10-Q reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During this call, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. These measures and the reasons management believes they provide useful information to investors regarding the company’s financial conditions and results of operations are contained in the press release. And with that, I will turn the call over to Jane for her prepared remarks.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Thanks Jay. And thanks for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. Similar to last quarter, we have posted slides to our website that I will reference in my comments to help you walk through our two main areas of focus today, including, first, our year-to-date results, and second, our revised full-year outlook for fiscal 2017. After I complete my remarks, I’ll turn the call over to Paul for his comments, and then we’ll open it up to Q&A. So let me start with Slide 3, a summary of recent highlights. First, as expected, our reported results through January continue to be negatively impacted by acquisition and divesture activity, as well as FX headwinds. It’s worth noting that we recently lapped last year’s March 1 sale of Southern Comfort and Tuaca. So those headwinds on our reported results will abate in Q4, notwithstanding last year Q4 gain on sale. Second, we experienced another quarter of sequential improvement in our underlying top line results. The U.S. continued to deliver good results, while the sales growth accelerated in many markets outside of the United States, including developed and emerging, as well as Global Travel Retail. Third, we continue to continue operating leverage through reductions in SG&A. And finally, we revised our full-year outlook. Despite the sequential improvement in our underlying net sales growth, a challenging global backdrop has slowed the rate of acceleration compared to what we had been anticipating. We now expect full-year underlying net sales growth of 3% to 4% and underlying operating income growth of 5% to 7%. Given this one point reduction and where we are in the fiscal year, we tightened our FY’17 EPS to a range of $1.71 to $1.76. I’ll come back to our outlook in a little bit more detail in a minute.…

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Thank you. And good morning to everyone. To supplement Jane’s remarks, we were pleased to see that our growth rate and underlying net sales accelerated again in the third quarter. The underlying sales growth was just a touch below what we might have hoped for back in November, but I thought it was still an encouraging acceleration and pretty solid growth, considering two items. One is the deceleration that we’ve observed of late in the growth rates for spirits in the U.S. and the second one is the negative impact we’ve had this year from used barrel sales. When I add this to the observable quarterly uptick from our international business, most notably in emerging markets and Global Travel Retail, I conclude that we made nice progress during our most important quarter of the fiscal year. As Jane stated, we expect Q4 to build a little further on Q3’s progress and are hopeful to achieve a very solid 5% to 7% growth in underlying operating income when the year concludes. And while we are still amidst our internal planning for fiscal year 2018, our current bias is toward a continuation of the steady progress that we’ve been seeing in underlying sales growth rates. Assuming that the environment does not deteriorate in a manner that would change our minds, we would envision fiscal year 2018 underlying sales growth expectations to be more like the back half of FY’17 than the first half, and that is prior to considering any impact from Jack Daniel’s Rye, which launches this coming September. We will update you more fully on all of this when we discuss our full-year FY’17 results in early June. Importantly, though, the long-term growth ambitions that we have for the Company and which we discussed publicly at our December investor conference remain intact, and those ambitions are supported, in my view, by our continued belief in the global opportunity for Jack Daniel’s and American whiskey, our recent and forthcoming portfolio additions, our multi-year expansion of production capacity, our increasing supply of mature whiskey and tequila, strong and growing A&P investment, and the reallocation of organizational focus away from the brands that we divested and toward today’s portfolio priorities, most notably the Jack Daniel’s and Woodford Reserve trademarks. So that concludes Jane and I’s prepared remarks for the morning, and we’re now happy to take any questions that you have.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Brett Cooper from Consumer Edge Research.

Brett Cooper

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Good morning. Two questions for me, I guess, both on competition. First, I was wondering if you guys are seeing any of the scotch producers using advantageous exchange rates to be more competitive in the marketplace? And the second one is some of the larger competitors are seeing improving growth rates in sales, matching that with increasing rates of brand support or A&P. How does that inform kind of what you guys need to do going forward and how do you fund those higher levels of investment, if that’s in fact the case?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

We missed the very first part of your question. So if for some reason you had asked something that we didn’t pick up, just repeat it again. But I thought the first question was around have we observed anything in the U.S. marketplace related to using currency to the scotch producers’ advantage. And I haven’t seen anything in terms of reduced prices. I mean, I know the category for specifically the higher end expressions, the single malts, et cetera, continues to be pretty good in the U.S., but I haven’t noticed that at the consumer level. I mean, it would make sense that, because the products aren’t perishable, that if the U.S. wholesalers were to stock more of those inventories, you could envision that occurring, but we wouldn’t have any visibility into that. I think the second question related to investments in line with increasing growth rates for our competitors, and we’re observing some of it. I don’t have as much insight into their A&P investment as we do to their improving rates over the last year and a half or two years. In some of those instances, they’ve been seeing that at, from what we can tell, in emerging markets, and from what we recall, a number of our larger competitors had experienced pretty deep drops in that business for them going back a few years. So their recoveries, we believe, were ahead of where we might have seen. And mostly the reason for that’s because we don’t have large local businesses there. We are almost exclusively, in many of these emerging markets, a Jack Daniels-led portfolio, and so the dynamics around the portfolio development for our competitors in those markets is so different. So it’s hard for us to know what they’re supporting and how it might be driving any improved performance for them. I can say for us that our A&P has been tracking in line this year with the underlying sales growth rates of the Company, in some cases even just a touch ahead of it. Some of that is attributable to the investments we’re making much longer term behind some of these newer portfolio additions.

Brett Cooper

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

So Paul, if I can just follow-up. I guess the scotch question wasn’t just U.S. Are you seeing it anywhere globally?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

No.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

No.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Not that we’ve seen anything.

Brett Cooper

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Okay. Thanks.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

That may have been the part we missed.

Brian Fitzgerald

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

Yes.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research

I’m sorry.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Vivien Azer from Cowen.

Vivien Azer

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Hi. Good morning.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Good morning.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Good morning, Vivien.

Vivien Azer

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Paul, I was hoping that you could expand, please, on your commentary towards the end of your prepared remarks around the deceleration in the U.S. and if you could speak to some of the factors you think are driving that. And then as a follow-up to that, how does that dovetail with your commentary around preliminary expectations for 2018? Thank you.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Yes. We’ve seen, as recently as even this week, some top lines that extended into the February for Nielsen. I haven’t seen anything for the NABCA markets in the United States. And yes, I mean, this has sort of been a steady sort of reporting observation going back to sort of the fall from Nielsen. And at this stage, I mean, we really don’t have a strong sense for what’s going on. The one thing that I would observe, of course you have all the post-election uncertainties in the world, et cetera, as policies are being contemplated to change and everything, so maybe that’s having an impact. But I think one of the things that we noted is that when you see departures in the trends between NABCA and Nielsen, it catches your attention. And that has, in fact, been the case here of late that the Nielsen markets have trailed off a little bit here in these more recent four or five months, whereas the NABCA markets have held in pretty good. And then that enforces you to consider is there something in the channel dynamics, because the NABCA markets actually pick up on premise, they pick up all of the off-promise volume, so whereas many of the Nielsen markets aren’t picking up a lot of the independent liquor stores that don’t scan. And so it makes you wonder whether there’s something going on. Now, I mean, I haven’t seen anything or even heard anything anecdotally that the U.S. distilled spirits business has been making any shifts between off to on. I mean, of course, the trend in this country for the last several years has been the opposite of that, as people have moved more of their consumption off-premise. It does make you wonder a little bit, Vivien,…

Vivien Azer

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

That’s really helpful, thank you. And if I could just follow-up on that. Some of the commentary that you offered in terms of the decel, in particular Nielsen, makes an awful lot of sense to me. But kind of with that backdrop, I mean, your business slowed, right, and that’s not a channel issue, per se. So how does that inform your thinking about pricing, in particular, as you look across the aisle to what’s happening in vodka? Because looking at Diageo and Pernod’s reported results, it looked like price mix was negative for a lot of your key vodka competitors.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Yes. I mean, our U.S. business – actually, the U.S. had had a very solid first half and was just a touch below it in the holiday period for Q3 – but to me, it didn’t travel in direct correlation to TDS. And then, of course, more broadly, our third quarter business, as Jane commented, was up 4% on an underlying basis, which compared really favorable, we feel, to the 2% in the first half. But your point about the pricing is, I think, real. With all the increased competition, particularly in the U.S. market from new entries, I just find that pricing right now, with all of this competitive supply and all this competitive distribution, is a little more challenging for brands to get. But that has been the case, frankly, for about the last year. I don’t know that it’s increased in any significant way in the last quarter. I know at our company, we’re a little bit more cautious, and even in the instances where we took pricing this past year with Woodford Reserve and Old Forester, in the short-term, they felt the impact on the shelf once the prices got in there, and I think it’s a reflection of the fact that there are alternatives out there. I mean, there’s just a lot of competition in this U.S. bourbon and spirits market, and when there’s a lot of choice, it makes pricing a little bit more difficult.

Vivien Azer

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Very helpful. Thank you so much.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Vivien Azer from Cowen

Thank you, Vivien.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse.

Laurent Grandet

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Yes. Good morning, Paul and Jane, and thanks for the very detailed reporting, as usual. I do have two quick questions. One on innovations. Could you please update us on recent and upcoming innovations? I’m thinking more specifically about BenRiach and Glenglassaugh? But also, if you could give us some quantitative or qualitative, I mean, first results of your Coopers’ Craft regional launch. My second question is about China. I know it’s not part of your top 10 countries, but I was surprised by the double-digit negative numbers there, as your major competitor seems to be enjoying some growth again, so if you can help me understand what’s going on there.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Okay. I will start off, and Paul, I’m sure, will comment here. On Slane, which is our Irish whiskey, we’re getting ready to go to market here soon, so we’re pretty excited about it. Just as a reminder, let me tell you what we did here. We actually bought Irish whiskey that we took and we’ve refinished ourselves, using our R&D folks here, and our expertise and our barrel making, and finished it into very nice products. It’s going to be hitting the shelf first in duty-free. So we’re going to start in Ireland duty-free, starting in April. That’s when we’ll first launch it. And then this summer, we’ll be launching it in Australia, the U.S. and the UK. So we’re very excited about that. In terms of the actual facility and so forth, as you know, we’ve been investing roughly $15 million behind this facility, which will have its own home place, bottling facility and distillery. And we’re about ready to have that commissioned, I think in the springtime, it’ll be commissioned. What I mean by that is we’ll be producing our whiskey. So it will be ready to go to the market in three or four years from now. So we’re excited about that. We’re on track and stay tuned, you’ll be seeing it soon. In terms of Coopers’ Craft, we introduced it just as a limited introduction in eight states in the U.S. and it still is just in eight states. We’re pretty optimistic about it. Right now, it’s still very early in the process, and as Paul noted, there’s a lot of competition out there. There’s some things we’re adjusting and tweaking with it in terms of how it’s positioned, pricing and so forth like that, but we’re optimistic. It’s still early, as I say. I thought I might just touch on one other of our new things to our portfolio this year, which is the BenRiach, or the single malt scotch, which is our Glendronach, Glenglassaugh and BenRiach itself. And we, in the third quarter, actually launched them in the United States. Our own field employees at sales force are very excited about it, as is the trade. So we’re excited to have those products in the U.S. and under our control now.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Yes. And I think, if you’re sitting and thinking about expectations for the range there of Coopers’ and Slane and the single malts, I mean, I think they could be modestly helpful to sales going forward, but we’re going to be investing pretty significantly behind them. So I wouldn’t expect them to be dramatically impactful to the bottom line like we saw in some prior years with Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Fire, Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Honey. They’re going to be much more slow billed we think. And it’s just the reality that anything that is launched from the Jack Daniel’s distillery has such initial interest from its large consumer franchise and it is why we sort of have mentioned Jack Daniel’s Rye prospects out into FY 2018. I would expect that particular expression to have as much or more impact going forward, just because we’ve been waiting for the product to mature and now we’ve got an ample supply to be able to take out, in particularly the U.S. market here. And we’re kind of late comers to the rye phenomenon that’s been occurring, but expect it to be a very nice positive impact under the umbrella of innovation. And as you know, I mean, FY 2017 was in some ways a bit of a transition year for us for all the positive introductory work we’re doing on Coopers’ and BenRiach distillery brands, et cetera, going up against the Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Fire launch, net-net, we just had less impact from innovation in this past fiscal year than we’ve had in some prior years, even though Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Fire has launched very nicely into some of the international markets. But we’ll be updating you further on the plans around innovation when we get out to June.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Just a follow-up on one of your questions, you were asking about the double-digit decline in China.

Laurent Grandet

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Yes.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

So first of all, just to let you know, China is not a large market for us. It’s less than – significantly less, I should say, than 1% of our sales. What we have been experiencing there, we had a route to consumer change, so we had some disruptions there. We think we’re stabilizing now, so I think as we look forward, we look for more stabilization out of that market, but there was a route to consumer change. We had some new product introductions that were, from an RTD perspective, that had some disruption, too. So it was more a disruption than anything on our part, as we transitioned.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

I think the other thing, too, that our competitors would have noted, they are – I don’t know which exact competitors you’re talking about, but to the extent they’re in the Cognac business and that they’ve seen some recovery in that particular category, of course we’re not in that business, and as an example at least one of our competitors, they also have a presence in a local bijou business. So I think category skew, in that case, has an impact on relative performance, so that might explain what you’re seeing from some of our competitors relative to us.

Laurent Grandet

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

Well, thanks, very helpful. Thank you very much.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Laurent Grandet from Credit Suisse

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs.

Judy Hong

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Good morning. So I guess I had a couple of questions on the margin side. And Jane, I’m not sure if I missed this, but just in terms of the modest gross margin pressure that you saw, can you just remind us the drivers? And then I think you talked about this was sort of the peak in terms of the gross margin degradation. So what sort of gets better going forward, from a gross margin standpoint? And then I guess in terms of FY 2018, I know it’s early days, but if we think that price/mix is sort of challenging in this environment, are there any other levers in terms of the gross margin drivers, and how do we think about the margins in 2018?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Okay. Yes, I’ll take that. Judy, just again reiterate what I said in my script today, I said that we do think that the worst is behind us in terms of the gross margin pressures. And you’re looking at it on a reported basis, so let’s make sure that we’re all in sync there, so we did see our margins on a reported year-to-date basis decline 210 basis points. The biggest piece of that is M&A related. And we talked about the M&A last quarter, just to remind you what the pieces of the M&A are. First of all, it was the Southern Comfort Tuaca margins from last year. They were high-margin brands at a gross profit level. Second piece being our transition arrangement that we had with the buyer for the brands, which was a low-margin agreement, if you will. And the third piece being the acquisition of BenRiach, without getting into the technical aspect of things, but there was a technical expense that came through from our – from an accounting perspective of a write-up of inventory, if you will. So those things have all taken place. They’re behind us, except for one month of the Southern Comfort Tuaca profits, if you will, their business for the month of February, and that will be behind – essentially behind us. So what I’m saying is the M&A impact becomes, is essentially over. And then the other big piece that had hurt us in the quarter – year-to-date – has been the FX headwinds. Just to remind you that because we’re single source and our products are made in the U.S., essentially what happens is that the revenue line item, when you sell it overseas in foreign currency, you don’t have a buffer or an offset to that. It goes straight down. So that, of course. And as we roll into our hedges, we’re going to have FX around for a period of time. But as I pull back and look at the full year, or what I’m expecting to happen in the fourth quarter, I’m forecasting our margins to essentially be unchanged from last year in the fourth quarter. So that’s why I’m saying the worth is behind us. As we’re looking ahead, we’ll be providing that information. We’re still early in our planning process, and so I prefer to give you more robust information in June. It’s pretty early in that process, so we can wait for that.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Yes. And with the case here in FY 2017, if you stopped at the gross margin line, you have the explanations that Jane talked about, but we also, particularly during this period of investment we’ve been making, have also just taken the visibility all the way down to the operating income margins, which for us become important. And that’s where I think Jane has mentioned the continued focus on discretionary costs and have been reflected in SG&A. So we’re trying to get some offset to some higher costs at other parts of the P&L, as well.

Judy Hong

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay. And then just in terms of looking at emerging markets and maybe Global Travel Retail, obviously the first half has been pretty challenging and it seems like trends are getting better, but it’s a little bit hard to I guess discern whether the improving trends or just more from a comparison standpoint, or are you really seeing the underlying momentum building in those markets? And in Global Travel Retail specifically, how much of the improvement is also restocking of inventory versus some of the underlying trends that you’re seeing from an improvement standpoint?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Yes, first, I’ll take the Global Travel Retail, versus last year, where we were declining, and versus where we are to date, which is a 7% increase in underlying net sales growth. Some of that as I said in my script, is due to just new distribution, so getting some of our products out there that weren’t out there before, such as Woodford Reserve, so we know some of that. But we also have seen the actual underlying trend turn positive, too. So we are back into low single-digit growth in Global Travel Retail. As it relates the emerging markets, we’ve talked about this in the past. This is kind of a mixed basket, if you will. So some markets are doing very well, continue to do well. The Poland and Mexico, of course, Mexico, there’s a lot of uncertainty down there around – with all the geopolitical stuff going on. But they are growing nicely, they’re up into double digits, we have seen – so they are growing. There’s other markets where there’s nice growth going on, and then there are some that are just soft comps. And you can see that, we showed on Slide 12, where you see the declines last year in the third quarter, even more declines in the fourth quarter, which also is one reason why, when we look at our fourth quarter this year versus last year, one of the accelerations we expect is some continued easy comps in the emerging markets. So it’s a mixed story there, Judy. So some are continuing to grow, some have turned back into growth, and some are still tough.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Yes. Judy, I’ll add too that, just like for right now the example of the other question related to China, our portfolio doesn’t match up some with where the recovery is. In the example of Global Travel Retail, I think our portfolio matches up very, very well with that channel’s recovery. Because we are, amongst our competition, we are so premium skewed, and that channel tends to be a great showcase for the premium brands. So I think that’s a benefit for us. And then differentially, just as you go along, you just really have to look at the portfolios for the various companies and you almost have to payer back the emerging markets where, particularly some of our competition are doing well, they have very large local businesses, and the local businesses, the local spirits, are doing particularly well. That’s something we – I mean, for the most part, don’t particularly participate in, those sort of – I’d say, value level or slightly lower pricing than the premium level where we are. We have not tended to be in those. So for us, recoveries in emerging markets would be most directly related to any momentum built around premium whiskey. And in our case, it’ll be led by Jack Daniel’s.

Judy Hong

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Judy Hong from Goldman Sachs

Thank you for questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group.

Tim Ramey

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

Thanks so much. Paul, you mentioned you’re going to have an increasing supply of mature whiskey and tequila, and I was just trying to better understand how you think about that. Is that a new product development opportunity? Is it a distribution opportunity? I hope it’s not a pricing opportunity, but as more supply becomes available at the high end, how do you think about pushing that out?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

Yes. I mean, I think that comment directly related to these forthcoming supplies in rye whiskey that can support the Jack Daniel’s trademark at a – what I’ll call, a premium level. We’ve already been out there with Jack Daniel’s single barrel rye, but it’s been up at a very elevated price point. It’s done pretty well. I like that product a lot.

Tim Ramey

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

I do, too. Yes, it’s really good.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

It really is – Woodford Reserve rye has done very, very well, and is another one that has received great critical acclaim. I actually like that product a lot, too. And rye has been so helpful to this classic cocktail trend that’s been going on in the United States. I mean, I just feel like with the Jack Daniel’s name and at a more affordable premium price point, it’s an exciting, you know, TAM for the trademark to be able to enter in, we would have loved to have some of these supplies available, a couple three years ago, what we just didn’t and so these maturation and the available stocks that I was referring to relate very directly to that. But it’s also, you have to remember, every day we are making the product and laying it aside, and it’s also a reflection that we’re planning for growth in the future. Part of what we did in December with our investor conference, we looked out, I think, to 2025, for the most part, the ambitions we’ll have there, we will have pretty much, by the time you get out to 2019, 2020, 2021, you’re going to have to had that product in the barrel in the case of tequila in the ground with the agave plants. So I actually just always – and just a reminded to everybody who covers this industry, you have to make those forecasts in advance, and those plans, building the warehouses, putting the barreled inventory, become part of your, they have to sync up with the ambitions that you’re expressing. So part of why I said that is that we continue to be pretty bullish about what we see for the opportunity for Jack Daniel’s and American whiskey and our premium tequilas, some of these new products we’ve bought out to that time frame, despite the fact that you might have challenging circumstances around any 90 or 180 day period.

Tim Ramey

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

Great. And one more for Jane, if I have a second. I know it’s early, you haven’t got your 2018 forecast yet, but should we think about advertising and product support likely accelerating or maintaining from current levels?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

Tim, again, as I said in the script today, I think we’ll continue to invest thoughtfully behind our brands. I think if you wanted to do something, I would not assume – it will grow in line with our sales growth.

Tim Ramey

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

All right. Thank you.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Tim Ramey from Pivotal Research Group

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bryan Spillane from Bank of America.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Good morning.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Two quick ones from me. First, just a clarification, in terms of the sales not accelerating completely to the levels where you were expecting at the beginning of the year, that’s really just barrel sales and the U.S., right? Those are the two main drivers of the acceleration not being as high as you thought it was going to be?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

It’s mainly the U.S. The barrel sales we had fairly anticipated. So we had a little bit of slowdown in the U.S. in the third quarter and a little bit in a couple other markets. Australia was a little bit softer. But it’s mainly the U.S., in terms – of you’re talking about versus our second quarter? Just let me clarify. Not versus the first – our plan at the first of the year, because if it’s plan versus the first of the year was emerging markets.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Yes. No, no, no, this is versus the guidance that you gave at 2Q.

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Okay, yes. Okay.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Thanks for that. And then the second one, and this is I think a follow-up to some of the comments you just made, Paul, about inventory. Inventory levels are, on the balance sheet are much higher today than they were at the end of last year, and so could you maybe explain a little bit the dynamics there? How much of that is you’re laying more products down for future growth, or are there any other dynamics that have affected it? I guess as we’re looking forward, would inventory, as we look into 2018 or 2019, does inventory maybe as a percentage of sales go up from here, or is this a good base to use?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

I mean, I think generally we would anticipate these foreign, you know, significant changes in your route to consumer or something that, you know, might have an impact, we generally see the inventories grow in line with your sales expectations. That’s generally what it is. Is there something, Jane, in the…

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

There’s two things, Bryan, I just want to make sure that when you’re looking at the numbers, you’re pulling out BenRiach, the impact of BenRiach, which is $400 million, $450 million out of that number. We also have some Slane whiskey in there, the fibers that are $1 million in there. So then when you just look at the broad numbers, you’re seeing two pieces, one being volume, which is what Paul saying in terms of what we are forecasting and what we anticipate our growth to be in the out years. But we also have talked about this in prior calls, that our costs have gone up somewhat, too. And we talked about the front end with the barrels of those costs, the cost of wood, if you will to make our barrels has gone up. And so that what are the two pieces when I look at the increase once you strip out the BenRiach and the Slane impact. So the volumetric impacts in this is about half of what it is.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Is it half? Okay.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

All right. That’s very helpful.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Does that get you what you needed? Okay.

Bryan Spillane

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

Thank you.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Bryan Spillane from Bank of America

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus.

Mark Swartzberg

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes. Thanks. Good morning, Jane. Hey, Paul, the dollar, you touched on this, Jane, in your prepared remarks and how the strength of the dollar is impinging, at least a little bit on purchasing power in some emerging markets. A few questions, one is, is it right to think that your planning assumption for the dollar has shifted, when you look at these multi-year plans you’re making, towards a comparatively higher, comparatively stronger dollar than what you might have had prior to November? That’s one question. And then if that is the right assumption, and it might be the wrong assumption, but if it is the right assumption, can you give us some sense of how that’s affecting the way you think about the emphasis you placed on the United States, for example, where you don’t have that issue, or the emphasis you placed on a particular market, whether it’s an emerging market or a developed market? And then my final question is, to what extent does dollar strength and your history dealing with dollar strength and strength from here give you some insight into how to deal with this?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes. I think there’s three in there. I think the first one is that – Jane, you add to this – my view of – we just reflect the current rates in our planning. I mean, we try not – while we do the hedging programs in order to defer the impact which we continue to think is smart, I mean, we’re trying not to play the currency market with our plans is the way I say it. And so occasionally and particularly on very significant devaluations or changes in local currency you’ll see us enact some pricing activity. But for the most part we just trying our plans to reflect what we know at that time. And then going forward as it relates to what we have learned over the years from, the dollar – I mean, it has been now for a couple of years outside the band of what we historically would have experienced here at the company, and in the same vain, Jack Daniel’s over the last 30 years has become even more important to Brown-Forman. And the impact on – and as our export markets have increased as part of the Jack Daniel’s business that exposure increased, so as far as we’re concerned, we’re operating today outside the historical band that we would, one, would have expected whether that is some kind of cyclical event or secular remains to be seen. As it relates to investing, I think there’s two offsetting factors. I mean, one is, yes, the more you can drive your U.S. business right now, the more you minimize that currency exposure. I do think the U.S. is such a competitive environment right now, because of all of the particularly at the premium level plus with all the crafts that it requires investment,…

Mark Swartzberg

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Right. Very helpful. And then just one more on the U.S., it’s been helpful to hear your take on the industry overall. And I think we’re all trying to figure out why we’re seeing this comparative slowdown. But when you look at your own share performance and you’re dealing with all channel data that I think the rest of us don’t have. When you look at your own share performance, and I’m really interested in JD specifically, could you give us a little more color on the share performance of that label, and then the role specifically of innovation and its impact on the label? Of course, Fire, Honey, just looking for a little more detail on the U.S. And, of course, rye will help, but just trying to get a sense of where we are in the innovation evolution here in the U.S. against that brand?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes. I’ve been reasonably pleased with the – I’ll call it multi-quarter, or even multi-year, Jack Daniel’s Black Label share performance in the United States. I mean, we’ve been getting a little less pricing these last couple of years. I think it would be unrealistic to expect that Jack Daniel’s would today grow at the rate of premium whiskey, premium bourbon, just because it’s so big. I don’t have that expectation. We have all oftentimes tracked ourselves against total distilled spirits, which Jack Daniel’s has held up pretty good at various times. I think the thing that’s so remarkable about the Jack Daniel’s share performance in the United States, when you isolate the Black Label brand, is how well it’s done when you consider the additions of Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Honey and Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Fire, as well as Gentleman Jack, as they continued to grow in the United States and Jack Daniel’s continued to grow, as well. So many trademarks would have experienced very direct cannibalization of a magnitude that we have not seen. So this balancing act of developing Jack Daniel’s along with the portfolio additions we’ve had is a really encouraging sign in my view. And so we don’t often go out and declare some specific share ambition for a particular trademark in a country. We monitor all of them – people here are used to looking at five to six different competitive sets for the Jack Daniel’s Black Label. We look at the share of the top 10 brands in the United States by volume. We look at share of whiskey. We look at share of premium whiskey. And then we even look at occasion share of shot brands or share of the – and coke occasion, there are all different kinds of ways we look at it. And I feel like we’ve done, in my view over these last few years particularly with the innovation, the Jack Daniel’s brand has held up extremely well. And you have to consider that the booming American whiskey market in this country, while it help as well to American whiskey brands to the established – most established brand and the leader like Jack Daniel’s, it’s also a source of competition.

Mark Swartzberg

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

That’s great. So what I’m hearing you say, and I want to be sure it is what you are saying, that the U.S. disappointment in the third quarter is something you put more on the category than on your own share performance?

Paul Varga

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes. I feel like, we’re probably getting some impact from the slower TDS growth in the United States. We tend to travel, brand like Jack Daniel’s tends to travel with a lot of macroeconomic factors as well as significant category trends. But there was nothing that I saw in terms of execution. I thought the communications and media we had behind the Jack Daniel’s brand during the holiday period was particularly good. And so this tick down that we’re seeing, as we said from the very beginning of this call, we’re trying to get our hands around it more at the macro level, but I don’t think that we’ve seen anything from the standpoint of that’s very specific to the Jack Daniel’s brand that causes us to be alarmed.

Mark Swartzberg

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Great. Okay. Thank you, Paul.

Paul Varga

Analyst · Mark Swartzberg from Stifel Nicolaus

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our final question comes from the line of Eric Serotta from Evercore.

Eric Serotta

Analyst · Evercore

Good morning. Quick question in terms of your used barrel business. You guys gave the – or I think Jane gave the comment that you aren’t expecting an improvement in the near-term. The comps there certainly get a lot easier as you get into early fiscal 2018. I know that business tends to go in terms of annual contracting. Should we still expect to see some steep declines in that business as we enter fiscal 2018, or do you expect to see more of a leveling off at the low levels that you’re at now?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Evercore

Yes. You hit it. It is a cyclical business. But we also have, as you know, that we have insights already into what we can do for the next 12 months, or the calendar 2017. And we know we’re going to continue to have pressure on pricing. And so we are anticipating to still have a drag, if you will, declines on the business. Will they be as drastic or as heavy on the top line as they were this year? They may be a slight bit less. But again, what we were pointing to was not seeing this business stabilize or growing. It’s going to continue to decline over the near term.

Eric Serotta

Analyst · Evercore

Okay. And could you remind us where you expect that business to end fiscal 2017, or where it was in terms of fiscal 2016 in terms of size relative to the rest of your portfolio?

Jane Morreau

Analyst · Evercore

Yes. I don’t have that information in front of me. It’s less than 2% of revenues, as I recall. But if you want, we can always do this off-line. But it’s less than 2% of our revenue.

Eric Serotta

Analyst · Evercore

Great. My other questions have been asked and answered. So thanks.

Jay Koval

Analyst · Evercore

Thanks, Eric. And thanks Jane and Paul. And to all of you for joining us today for Brown-Forman’s third quarter earnings call. And please feel free to reach out to us if you have any additional questions. Take care.

Operator

Operator

This is the end of today’s call. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.