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Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the KCAP Financial Inc Conference Call. An earnings press release was distributed yesterday. If you did not receive a copy, the release is available on the company's website at www.kcapfinancial.com in the Investor Relations section. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Wednesday, November 7, 2018. This call is also being hosted on the live webcast, which can be accessed at our company's website at www.kcapfinancial.com in the Investor Relations section under Events. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to KCAP Financials most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that would cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. KCAP Financial does not undertake to update its forward-looking statements unless required by law. I would now introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Dayl Pearson, President and Chief Executive Officer of KCAP Financial. Mr. Pearson, you may begin.

Dayl Pearson

President

Good morning and thank you all of you for joining KCAP Financial for review of our third quarter 2018 results. Today, I will review key highlights and activities from the quarter as well as provide context for our direct lending business and the performance of our Asset Manager Affiliates. I will then turn over the call to our Chief Financial Officer, Ted Gilpin, who will provide a more thorough review of our operating and financial results for the quarter, we'll then open the line for the questions. Our performance in the third quarter was consistent with a year ago period and we're pleased with the stability of our business. We recognized that while we're continuing to execute on our strategy of lowering our borrowing cost, optimizing our balance sheet and positioning ourselves for growth. We're operating in a highly competitive environment. This is particularly true of good quality investment opportunities and as the management team, if we're continuing to evaluate a number of actions we can [indiscernible] put KCAP in a better position to put our capital to work prudently and efficiently. And we've recently touched on our sources of liquidity as what we call we have a credit line off $50 million of which approximately $27 million remained undrawn as of September 30 and we also had cash on hand at September 30, $27 million. So our September 30th dry powder was approximately $54 million. We have issued a redemption notice for the remaining $7 million of our 7 and 38's bonds which redeem next October, so that would reduce the dry powder to $47 million. We also have a large pipeline of potential new deals with a reasonably higher probability of closing in the fourth quarter and first quarter of next year. Fourth quarter has historically been one…

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Dayl, good morning everyone. As of September 30, 2018 net asset value stood at $4.66 compared to $4.87 as of December 31, 2017. As Dale just mentioned our net investment income was $2.9 million or $0.08 per basic share for the third quarter of 2018. Net investment was for nine months ended September 30, 2018 was $0.21 per basic share while the estimated taxable distributable income for the nine months of 2018 was $0.24 per basic share. Interest income on our debt securities for the quarter ended September 30, 2018 was $4.8 million or $0.13 per basic share compared with $4.3 million or $0.12 per share for the second quarter of 2018. Interest income on our debt securities was $2.4 million or $0.06 per share in the third quarter of 2017. Our debt securities portfolio contribution to total investment income for the quarter was 67% which compares to approximately 62% for the second quarter of 2018 and 39% for the third quarter of 2017. Investment income from CLO fund securities decreased to $1.3 million or $0.03 per basic share in the third quarter of 2018 from $1.5 million or $0.04 reported in the second quarter of 2018 and $2.8 million or $0.08 per share in the third quarter of 2017. We received distribution from our Asset Manager Affiliates of $300,000 or $0.01 per share in the third quarter of 2018 none of which is expected to be return of capital. The Asset Manager Affiliates distributed $800,000 or $0.02 per basic share in the second quarter of 2018, 500 of which was return of capital. For the three months ended September 30, 2018 total expenses were higher by $480,000 or $0.01 per basic share compared to the same period 2017 primarily attributable to increase in interest expense. The company…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our first question comes from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is now open.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open

When I look at your portfolio it appears that portfolio shrink third quarter, 2018 but the CLO investments increased with the new CLO you guys issued. However when I look at the interest income, it appears that the interest income increased while the CLO income feel quarter-over-quarter and I was kind of hoping that you guys reconcile the two, I mean are there any kind of one-time items fees or flowing through the interest income line to make that [indiscernible] so.

Dayl Pearson

President

Yes, I think the debt portfolio shrank primarily because of the repayment of the loan we make [indiscernible] the first loss in the warehouse since that warehouse closed out on September 27, with that $23 million is repaid on September 7. So other than that our portfolio was up a bit, if you sort of took that out. So I think you got to adjust for that, so we had the entire interest for the entire quarter on a $23 million at 9%, so that if you wanted to back that out you can sort of do a pro forma.

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

And conversely very little earnings on the new investment in CLO.

Dayl Pearson

President

Correct the investment in CLO closed on the same day, so that $10 million investment we had essentially no earnings on in the quarter, so you have to sort of take that $10 million and put into the numbers for the full quarter to sort of do the complete pro forma.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open

Sure now that makes sense, that makes sense. And then when I look at professional expenses I mean this quarter was around $900,000 or so. I mean is that a good run rate because we kind of consistently been a little bit under what you guys have put up their but, does $900,000 a quarter is that reasonable.

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

It should come back down again, there's a few items in the third quarter which raised that, it was about $130,000 [indiscernible] in the third quarter they don't, aren't normally in the quarter. And as you know we've had some other higher expenses through the year, mostly in legal fees. But so we expect that to come down a little bit more.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open

Okay and lastly, this quarter you guys just a pretty good yield on your JV I think, was around 14.1% annualized yield which is very good. I mean is that, I mean is it reasonable to expect that's what we can get going forward on your JV investment there.

Dayl Pearson

President

Obviously that's somewhat variable, I think when we upsize the JV in the fourth quarter of 2017 in order to be fully invested we had a fair amount of broadly syndicated loans in that upsize of by about $100 million so those have a lower yields in it and over the course of the last three quarters we've rotated out of some of those lower yielding loans and therefore substituted for those with middle market loans which have higher yields on them. So I think that's why that yields have move up over the course of the year. Now we get repayments and then we want to get repayments and another 500 loan we have to keep, so we got to keep fully invested obviously and we would buy L350 broadly syndicated loan that's going to have an impact, so it's going to subject sort to the repetitive repayments and the pipeline of new senior loan middle market loans. That pipeline news picking up in the line - few weeks and so we would expect to continue to rotate out of some lower yielding loans, but then again they're probably going to be some prepayment, there already have been some prepayment since the end of the quarter. So but we think it's going to be in that.

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

Range.

Dayl Pearson

President

That range of what it's been up till now, we like to keep it there. But as you know spreads are under pressure to some extent. You do pick up a little bit with rising LIBOR because your liabilities are not 100% match with your assets and the equity here is a pretty big chunk, so rising LIBOR has a help side as well.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open

Thanks those are all my questions. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

Ted, what's the weighted average portfolio yield in the quarter I didn't see in the Q?

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

Minus 40 [ph].

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

And I guess well Ted looking for that, Dayl are there any plans to redeem the 6.125 Notes?

Dayl Pearson

President

Well they're not callable until September of 2019. We're always looking at alternatives and so there's a potential to redeem those notes next year so that we can take advantage of the higher leverage number, but there is - we are not anywhere near our leverage limit at this point. There is not a rush and we can't call them until next September.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

And then on the leverage question, your leverage is still pretty low, is the plant, is the headwinds to you just repayments and so forth. Or are you sort of just other things?

Dayl Pearson

President

Yes, well as I think I mentioned you know there's a bit of seasonality in our origination business, third quarter and first quarter being the worst, probably third quarter being the worse in than the first. So we did have some repayments in the quarter and we would expect that in the fourth quarter we have a pretty robust pipeline of deals and so we expect to start to tap more significantly into our credit facility. We do have the ability and we've discussed with our banks that they're all very happy and we could potentially upsize that credit facility from 50 to something higher in the future, but obviously that's subject to their approval and subject to our having the assets that we like available to do that.

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

Sorry it's on the weighted, the yield is on Page 63. That's CLO [ph] portfolio but as of September 30 the weighted average contraction [indiscernible] on the loan to debt securities is approximately 10%, if you just ask for things on partial nonaccrual is more like 8.9%.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

Great thank you Ted. Last quarter you had two picked partial nonaccruals, are those still there?

Ted Gilpin

Chief Financial Officer

Correct.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

And then group of HEMA [ph] I mean it continues to be a nonaccrual you marked it down a little bit, I mean what's the outlook for that given everything going on in Puerto Rico.

Dayl Pearson

President

Well the company has performed reasonably well, the leverage is quite reasonable. It's I think somewhere south of five times leverage, total leverage which is not unreasonable for a hospital chain, they survived the hurricane last year quite well. I think part of issue they've had has been a liquidity issue, a lot of their accounts receivables folks have been harder hit by the hurricane than they have so there's been a slow to that, they're negotiating through that. I think we're pretty confident that there's a way for there. I think they just need some time to deal with the receivables, which they're doing a really terrific job of managing, so we're pretty positive on that. the first lien is particularly well positioned we think the second lien again a total leverage of less than five times is pretty well covered at this point.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

Great, thanks Dayl.

Dayl Pearson

President

Well that being said, there's a lot of uncertainty in Puerto Rico and so that's why we've marked it down and that was also [indiscernible] that is reviewed by our outside valuation advisors, so.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

Yes to support the economy down there, have an Analyst Day next year down there.

Dayl Pearson

President

There you go, not in the summertime though.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Dayl Pearson for any closing remarks.

Dayl Pearson

President

Thank you all and we'll be speaking again soon. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude your program and you may all disconnect.