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Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 9, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the KCAP Financial Inc., Third Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. An earnings press release was distributed on Thursday, November 8, 2012. If you did not receive a copy, the release is available on the company's website at www.kcapfinancial.com in the Investor Relations section. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Friday, November 9, 2012. This call is also being hosted on a live webcast which can be accessed on our company's website, www.kcapfinancial.com, in the Investor Relations section under events. In addition, if you would like to be added to the company's distribution list for news events, including earnings releases, please contact Denise Rodriguez at (212) 455-8300. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections and we ask that you refer to KCAP Financials' most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that would cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. KCAP Financial does not undertake to update its forward-looking statements unless required by law. I would now look introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Dayl Pearson, president and Chief Executive Officer, of KCAP Financial. Mr. Pearson, you may begin.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Thank you, and thanks to all of you for joining KCAP Financial for a review of its third quarter 2012 financial results. I will open the call with some broad commentary about important highlights and activities during the quarter including the performance of our asset manager affiliate and our investment portfolio. I will then turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Ted Gilpin, for him to provide a brief -- a recap of our 2012 third quarter operating results and our financial condition at the end of the quarter. We will then open the line up for your questions at the end of the call. First, let me provide a brief recap on some important highlights from the third quarter. In the third quarter, of 2012, our NII increased from $0.23 in the second quarter to $0.27. Our dividend remained unchanged at $0.24. During the third quarter, we completed the final phase of the integration of Trimaran Advisors, which we acquired in February, with our pre-existing manager, Katonah Debt Advisors, by streamlining our management team. Trimaran is well down the road in finalizing the terms of a new $400 million CLO, which we believe will price before year end. KCAP will be a minority investor in the equity tranche in this new fund. As we mentioned on our last call, we expect to realize incentive fees from the CLO funds managed by our asset manager beginning in the fourth quarter. The incentive fees could significantly increase the income available for distribution to us, beginning in 2013. While the incentive fees will reduce the distributions on a related CLO equity -- fund in equities we own, our ownership in these CLO fund equities only represent approximately 17% of the total equity interest. Because Trimaran, which is wholly-owned by us,…

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Thank you, Dayl, and good morning, everyone. I will first cover some high-level financial information and then go into a little more detail on some specific metrics. As of September 30, 2012, our NAV stood at $7.82 per share, this compares to $7.66 at the end of June 2012. The increase can be attributed to a net realized and unrealized mark-to-market gain of 2.2 million on our investments in the third quarter and a decrease in the number of shares outstanding due to the cancellation of some restricted stock shares. The company declared a dividend of $0.24 for the third quarter of 2012, unchanged to the $0.24 dividend for the prior quarter and an increase from the $0.18 dividend for the third quarter of 2011. The component pieces of the dividend can be found in our operating results for the 2012 third quarter. First, interest income on debt securities for the 3 months ended September 30, 2012 was $3.6 million or $0.13 per share, compared to $2.8 million or $0.12 per share for the same period, 2011. The increase can be attributed to more invested assets and the receipt of some prepayment interest. Second, dividends from the investments and CLO securities was $5.8 million or $0.22 per share in the third quarter, compared with $3.9 million or $0.17 per share in the same period, 2011. The majority of the increase can be attributed to the acquisition of the equity in 4 Trimaran CLOs. And finally, the third revenue component, our asset manager affiliates, dividended up to KCAP Financial of $925,000 or $0.035 per share in the third quarter of 2012 as compared to $510,000 in the third quarter of 2011, or $0.02 per share. The increase resulted from our acquisition of Trimaran Advisors earlier in 2012, and the respective net…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Troy Ward of Stifel, Nicolaus. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: I may have missed this in your prepared remarks, but did you mention what was your prepayments in the portfolio in the third quarter?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

I didn't mention a specific amount. It was approximately $300,000.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

It's gains we're talking about? Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: No, I'm talking about repayments in the portfolio. The amortization and/or early exits?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Well, we had one partial prepayment of a loan of about, including a prepayment penalty, about $3 million. And some other broadly syndicated loans that paid off, but probably another $3 million or $4 million. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: So call it $6 million or $7 million in total?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

$6 million or $7 million, yes. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then I was noticing on the income statement that the comp expense in the quarter, did you mention why that was so much lower than previous quarters?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, and it's actually -- I think we may have talked about it prior to this, but we had, due to the management alignment in our asset manager affiliates, we had some restricted stock here that we canceled. So that was -- resulted in essentially a negative expense at KCAP for those restricted shares that were canceled. It would've been offset on the income statement of the asset manager affiliates with severance and bonus and all that stuff, so it looks like a positive for KCAP, and it was -- it actually resulted in less available for dividending at the asset manager affiliates.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

I mean, effectively -- essentially, it was a $300,000 positive for KCAP, but it also reduced the income at the asset manager from $1.9 million to $1.6 million, roughly, so it could've been dividended up. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: But without that, it looks like close to $700,000 in, in comp expense in the quarter, is that kind of -- that's below your previous run rate? Is that a good run rate going forward on the comp line?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, I mean, the run rate will be slightly less than where it was before, but it's probably a good proxy. And we'll probably go up a bit as we grow here and we add some additional people, but it's probably not going to be until 2013. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And then just a little more clarity on the CLO market and kind of what your expectations are. Dayl, could you repeat kind of what your expectation is for the incentive fee? Did you still think that was a Q4 event, or is that a 2013 event for incentive fees from Trimaran?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

We'll get a -- we actually have gotten an incentive fee in the fourth quarter, correct, Ted?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, we already started to receive some, but...

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

But they're not full. The full fees, they're just sort of a stub period. If I can just go back, I did misspeak, Troy -- the $6 million I was talking about was sort of a net number. The total prepayments were about $12 million. Most of those were in sort of broadly syndicated stuff, which we then replaced to some extent. Stuff that was in the CS credit facility. So the gross number was $12 million and that number was about $6 million. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay, and then back to the CLOs, like you said, they're starting to come in, but they won't kind of hit in full force until the first quarter?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, that's when they really start to be significant, but you will see some of this in the fourth quarter. Troy L. Ward - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then real quick, Dayl, kind of just on the CLO market, in general, kind of where the current AAA pricing, where is that coming in, and how is the demand for the AAAs? And what's your -- you said a minority ownership at KCAP of the CLO equity, kind of what's your expectation there?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

I'll answer the last question first, it will be less than 25% of any fund. And in terms of the AAA market, there's a fairly robust demand, a number of players out there, more than a year ago. The latest price -- that being said, they've been pretty disciplined on pricing. And so LIBOR 1, 40-ish is sort of where the market is today.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John Stilmar of JMP Securities. 214486422

John W. Stilmar - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Just wondering if you can help me. So as look at the scheduled investments, you put $8 million to work, I think, this quarter, showing a lot of prudence and probably some timing with regards to the liquid loan market. But if I did my schedules of investments correctly, it looks like most of the new capital was put to work in the Trimaran CLOs. Does that -- can you talk a little bit more about the capital allocation? Is it more of a timing issue? Is it, hey, we knew [ph] the securities -- just a little bit more color there would be really helpful.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Well, we didn't put anything in the Trimaran CLOs in the quarter. So we did buy -- we replaced some broadly syndicated loans with new broadly syndicated loans. I think, again, the summer quarter always is a bit slow; you don't see a lot of originations in July and August. We had one significant position that closed, essentially, in the last day of the second quarter. We had a lot of activity in the second quarter, I think we closed 4 or 5 deals. My anticipation is we'll probably put anywhere from $15 million to $40 million of work in the fourth quarter, but that's sort of a guesstimate at this point. Most of that will be in the more traditional middle market assets. And we'll probably put some money to work in Trimaran in the fourth quarter, vis-a-vis the CLO -- the new CLO.

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Which should be about 10.

John T. G. Rogers - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Okay, it will be about 10? Perfect.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

And roughly, 8 to 10 will probably be the equity investment we'll make. In the meantime, we may need to make some other -- we may need to fund the warehouse for short period of time. So that could be a bigger number for a short period of time. 214486422

John W. Stilmar - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Perfect. And we should still be thinking about CLO equity in that, like 12% to 15% range?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · JMP Securities. 214486422

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Stuebe of Hillmark Capital.

Kevin Stuebe

Analyst · Hillmark Capital

Can you comment on the swing in realized investment losses in the quarter? It went up to, like, $3.8 million. Has there been an upsurge in nonperforming loans, perhaps?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Hillmark Capital

No. This actually was a nonperforming loan for many years that finally got written off. Bicent Power; that had been in a nonperforming loan for probably at least 2 years now. There was really very little change in terms of nonperforming loans. And the realized losses tend to be sort of a significant lag to when the loan itself gets into trouble.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from J.T. Rogers of Janney Capital.

John T. G. Rogers - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Janney Capital

Actually the question was on the prepayments you saw on the quarter, were there any fees associated with those prepayments that contributed to interest income?

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Janney Capital

Yes, I mean, that was the $300,000 I mentioned.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Janney Capital

Yes, that was the $300,000 that Ted mentioned earlier.

Edward U. Gilpin

Analyst · Janney Capital

We do, from time to time, see prepayments. We would expect to get some here and there, so it's not...

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Janney Capital

We're probably going to get some in the fourth quarter as well, some prepayment penalties.

John T. G. Rogers - Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Janney Capital

Okay, great. And then, just looking through the schedule of investments, is International Architectural Products, is that your credit you expect to come back on accrual or will that be exited?

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Janney Capital

I don't -- I would say neither of those in the quarter that I expect. No, it's not the one.

Operator

Operator

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back to Dayl Pearson for any closing remarks.

Dayl W. Pearson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Well, thank you, all, very much. And we look forward to speaking with you after the end of the year. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect and have a wonderful day.