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Barrett Business Services, Inc. (BBSI)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 28, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in today’s conference call to discuss BBSI’s Financial Results for the Third Quarter Ended September 30, 2015. Joining us today is BBSI’s President and CEO, Mr. Michael Elich; and the Company’s CFO, Mr. Jim Miller. Following their remarks, we’ll open the call for your questions. Before we go further, I would like to take a moment to read the company’s Safe Harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides important cautions regarding forward-looking statements. The company remarks during today’s conference call may include forward-looking statements. These statements along with other information presented that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those implied by these forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company’s recent earnings release and to the company’s quarterly and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. I would like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay through November 28, 2015, starting at 3 PM Eastern Time this afternoon. A webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in today’s press release, as well as available on the company’s website at www.barrettbusiness.com. Now, I would like to turn the call over to the Chief Financial Officer of BBSI, Mr. Jim Miller. Sir, please go ahead.

Jim Miller

Management

Thank you, Audra and depending upon where you are dialing in from, good morning or afternoon everyone. As you saw at the close of the market yesterday we issued a press release announcing our financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2015. The company delivered strong results in Q3 with sales up 17% and passing the $1 billion quarterly revenue threshold for the first time in our history. These results were driven by the addition of 150 new client companies and strong same-store sales growth of 10.6%. This was tempered by a slight year-over-year decline in our staffing business due to some seasonal and episodic fluctuations that can be experienced from time to time in the staffing industry. We will expand upon this later in our prepared remarks. Before taking you through our financial results I would like to mention that yesterday's earnings release summarizes our revenues and cost of revenues on a net revenue basis as required by Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. Most of our comments today, however, will be based upon gross revenues and various relationships to gross revenues because we believe such information is; one, more informative as to the level of our business activity; two, more useful in managing and analyzing our operations; and three, adds more transparency to the trends within our business. Comments related to gross revenues as compared to a net revenue basis of reporting have no effect on gross margin dollars, SG&A expenses, or net income. Now turning to the third quarter results, total gross revenues increased 17% to $1.1 billion over the third quarter of 2014 primarily due to the continued build in our co-employed client count and same-store sales growth, partially offset by a 4% decline in staffing revenues. Overall, PEO gross revenues increased 19% over…

Michael Elich

Management

Good morning and thank you for taking time to be on the call. Very pleased with the results of the quarter. For the first time, we crossed the billion dollar in revenue mark in a single quarter. I only mention this as we considers this a significant milestone, representing the contribution of many people over many years. In the quarter, we continued to see progress through the maturation of our brand as measured by the consistency of growth we experienced across all markets. We continued the process of maturing our organizational structure and the process by which we attract, develop and retain people. Based on our rate of new client adds in organizational bench, we still believe we have at least 18 months runway in our organizational structure today. We also continued to mature systems and internal matrices designed to support predictability in the model, while bringing increased efficiencies to operations. And looking at the quarter, we added 210 new PEO clients. We lost 56 due to accounts receivable or collections issues, nine were cancelled for non-AR issues and lack of tier progression, 15 businesses sold or closed and 20 left due to pricing, competition or have moved away from an outsourcing model by taking payroll in-house. This represents an approximate net build in the quarter of 160 new PEO clients. PEO same-store sales increased 10.6%. This specifically measures hiring - increase of hours worked and wage inflation. Measured sequentially, second quarter 2015 versus third quarter 2015, 44% of our client added headcount, 29% of our clients reduced headcount and 27% of our clients remained unchanged. As mentioned in Jim’s overview, we did see softness in the staffing business during the quarter. We see two drivers in the softness. First, leading into September, we experienced delay in seasonal employee ramps…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll go first to Jeff Martin at ROTH Capital Partners.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Good morning Mike and Jim. Mike, could you touch on the California market with respect to the current employee model, if there is any particular trends that you’re seeing either from an economic standpoint, from a business standpoint or the insurance environment?

Michael Elich

Management

I'll start with the insurance environment, we're not really seeing movement there. We may be are seeing a little more competition as it relates to some of our competitors be it, TriNet has been more aggressive over the last five, six months, ADP even has been a little bit more aggressive but as it relates to comparables, true comparables we're not seeing more competition is that much of a headwind but maybe more of a market disruption. Also related to workers comp insurance, we're not seeing big swings in rates, I think that part of that is stabilized to a large degree. Related to just overall trends, one of the things that I've watched over the last call it seven years since 2008 is everybody has been trying to get back on their feet and it seemed like this year, the economy is doing well, you see kind of a step-up in just overall hiring as a whole but this summer seem to be more of a - I don't know if people just took more vacations or whatever, but it just seemed to be maybe a little bit of a market stall, more so seen in California than in other markets. I would - I think that the Dow dropping a 1000 points in August probably doesn't help either when look at business owners making decisions to structurally ship their business to go with us. So that's more anecdotal noise related to what we may be seeing in the market we're not seeing really a huge shift but I think overall our average branch in California was growing somewhere between 15% and 21%. And as we have lot of bigger branches in that market, it kind of evolved, so you’re running up against some large numbers. So it’s kind of hard to blame that on an economy more than anything else.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

And then in terms of the net client build in the quarter, is there anything specific to your strategy that has changed or might be because I know you did some vetting of non-progressing clients dating back probably over a year now but was there anything internally that you did that might have affected that or is it purely kind of a market low?

Michael Elich

Management

No, I would call it a market low, in fact I would say that from a consistency of operations. We've been pretty - very consistent, you might be able to isolate a branch or two that maybe it’s going through its own inflection point, which is a stall against the growth that they've been experience until they recall a little bit but there is nothing systemic related to that. I think our value proposition is accelerating. One of the things that we have been doing over the last probably a year is we educating the market on who we are and what we’re really about and ensuring that we are driving our value the right way coming in which is actually supporting the adoption of who we are more effective effectively and so that's why you're not seeing that vetting process that we have to go through before or we are not having to cancel as many clients as we had in the past. One of the things that we see that’s been an opportunity for us and it’s been a little bit of a rightsizing of how we - of a sector of our pipeline is where a lot of PEOs have come in the market offering a healthcare option. We have now found new pipeline sources with healthcare brokers because we don't offer healthcare option, are actually prone to bring business to us to be able to compete in that market. But that's too you’re going through an educational process is you bringing online those resources. So you're yield on enclosures from those pipelines isn’t going to be as high as first until they mature how they interface with us.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

And then, any developments of note with your partner ACE?

Michael Elich

Management

It's going well, we’re scheduled to have our annual review with them and it’s going well. We’ve got a good partnership with them, we spend time with them probably three or four times a year and just to make sure that we’re staying calibrated and we got to make sure that we stop that open dialogue if there are issues but as far as we know the relationship is very strong.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Thanks for your time Mike.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Matt Blazei at Lake Street Capital Markets.

Matt Blazei

Analyst

Hey guys, on the workers comp side where are you in terms of the pre-2012 closures. You said you were at 650 last quarter?

Jim Miller

Management

Yeah, so that, we've now closed 725, so that's 75 in the quarter.

Matt Blazei

Analyst

Alright, so you're getting close to the 60% to 70%.

Jim Miller

Management

I think we've actually closed about 56% of those reserves strengthened claims, continue to see positive improvements there.

Matt Blazei

Analyst

And where those closer to credit as well?

Jim Miller

Management

Yes, so those 75 closed at credit was about 1 million bucks.

Matt Blazei

Analyst

Okay thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Brian Hardon [ph] at Sidoti.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi guys, thanks for taking my call. How much new client capacities do the existing branches have?

Michael Elich

Management

We look at our pipeline which is, our pipelines are very strong right now. We would look at cap utilization of flow being that probably it's different every market but as a whole we would say that we are still only running probably close to about 50% capacity as a company. Better said that we would probably say that we have 18 months of runway in front of us, even though we’re continuing to build, if we shut off our build today for new capacity, we would have probably about 18 months before we would start to enter a stress point.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And can you talk a little bit more about your plans for new unit growth in the East Coast?

Michael Elich

Management

The way we grow new units or go to new markets is that we pivot around already successful markets. So what we found is our first, excuse me non-California $100 million branch showed up in Baltimore Maryland and it took us many years to build that. What was happening now is, you reached these levels of operation, you start getting pulled to alternative markets. And so we've been getting pulled more south towards the DC region and that's what leads towards peeling off a block of those clients that we’re supporting from Baltimore and now established a new hub in Alexandria. So we’ve hired our new manager there, that person is working actually out of the Baltimore office until they get up to speed and then ultimately that person will go down and see it and start and support that branch. Where we have opened a new branch in Charlotte this last year, we didn't have that critical mass, it was a more of a Greenfield start-up and so it's been a little bit slower in the build process but we do have the right person in place and we’re seeing momentum at least pipeline wise and we'll see more closures coming. As I continue to look at just the East Coast in general, we’ll continue to do those stair steps around our successful branches as well as capitalize on markets that make sense to start-up Greenfield.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And I could just ask one last question. Can you just talk a little bit about the debt repayment timetable?

Jim Miller

Management

Sure, yeah, so again we’ve out of the original $40 million loan, we paid off $10 million to-date, we have $15 million payment due at the end of December of this year and there are three repayments of $5 million each scheduled for next June 30th, September 30th and then the final $5 million due December 31 of 2016.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll go next to Bill Dezellem at Titan Capital Management.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Thank you. First of all, would you please repeat the PEO same customer change?

Jim Miller

Management

Yes, so same-store sales growth on the PEO business was 10.6%.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

And because that has been growing each and every quarter this year, that leads to the question of why and - maybe I’ll just leave it at that, why is that happening?

Jim Miller

Management

It’s typical - if you compare - the better way to compare it is not so much sequentially, but just on a year-over-year basis because there is a seasonal effect in our PEO base as well where you have a little bit more hiring in the third quarter compared to first quarter and second quarter. So if you were to go back and look at subsequent orders and do that comparison, you would probably see that little uptick in third quarter traditionally.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Okay. To make sure I'm clear, wasn't the first quarter in the 8s, the second quarter in the 9s, and here in the third in the 10s in terms of percentage increase versus the prior year, so it really is taking into account the seasonality?

Jim Miller

Management

Yeah, I think that what we’re seeing is that in our markets, customers are continuing to do well and it’s really the overall economy effect on our customers and business.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Okay. Well, congratulations on seeing that acceleration. And then, two additional questions. Number one, do you see any regulatory proposals or any other phenomenon in that area, is that worth watching closely? And then secondarily, you’ve been talking about the pre-2012 claims now for a period of time, is there a point here where you shift to the pre-2013 claims because then 2013 and prior will be more mature?

Michael Elich

Management

Yeah, so ‘13 at the end of this year will now fall into that called ‘12 and prior group. So what you look for is a 36-month window from the beginning of - so '13 - at the end of this year, ‘15, you'll have 36 months in ‘13, so now it will fall into the prior year's block. And so '13 will become part of the ‘12 and prior block by next quarter. And so that's the first –that answers the first question. And then the second question, we’re not seeing - it goes - it sits and starts as far as regulatory distresses, so one of the things that I would say that it's been probably the bigger one in this last year and even right now, what's going on is the ACA, Affordable Care Act and now the onset of reporting for ACA, because there is a whole new set of rules that every company has to comply within ensuring that they meet certain deadlines to report a lot of employee data back and that's been a stress point related to employment and small employers. As far as the industry goes, it comes and goes. One day you hear that there is going to be some kind of regulatory driver that could change what PEO business looks like and then it fades off that you don’t care much about it for a while. But I anticipate that that will be something at some point down the road that we’ll have to look at. One of the things that we’ve tried to do is build our model and we’re really very close to this as to reach a point where we’re independent of regulatory distress, I guess it would be as it relates to the PEO industry. So we can become actually non-compliant and run our exact model that we run, and that's probably work - that’s the work that we’re getting now and it will be the work that we’ll round out in 2016 to offset that risk.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

That’s very helpful. And then circling back to the healthcare reporting requirements that actually works to your advantage because it does create more complication stress on the customer base and prospective customer base?

Michael Elich

Management

It does. It’s just - even for us, it’s one of those things that we’re getting it done, but it is - it's pretty convoluted right now and I think it will be interesting to see as it goes through one cycle, what the cycle - what it looks next year because I don't think that everybody really have a good grasp on the rules or mechanically how to get it done. We're in good shape. We're - we've made a lot of progress there, we’re getting it done, but it takes a number parties to get it done. It takes the business owner, it takes the healthcare broker, it takes some kind of - somebody to do administratively what needs to get done and so that's the trickiest part of it. So we're working - we're serving one of those elements, but we also have to work with the other elements as well. But you’re right, it creates stress and it makes it being important [ph] and that much more difficult year-over-year.

Bill Dezellem

Analyst

Thank you, both.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Matt Schwarz at Maze Investments.

Matt Schwarz

Analyst

Hey guys, how are you doing? I know, obviously you have braches at different stages of growth and revenue levels, but can you talk a little bit about how the incremental margins change at your branches as they ramp to higher revenue levels?

Michael Elich

Management

So if you look at a maturing branch, think of a branch is in three stages, you’ve got a developing branch, which is a start-up to just getting some momentum going where you’re just trying to get to a breakeven. You’ve got an emerging branch where all of a sudden, you have margin come through up against operational overhead and it starts to reach operational efficiencies, but as it reaches operational efficiencies, you actually are adding infrastructure. So to scale, so you kind of this installed a little bit until the branch really reaches a more of a true, maybe a developed level. So in the emerging stage, consider that a branch that’s maybe somewhere between $30 million and maybe $70 million to $80 million in revenue. That branch itself as it grows will kind of have to reinvest, so you'll see their flow-through of margin maybe being closer to 50% and as they’re investing, it might actually grow to 40% and then they can get it to 60%, but it tends to fluctuate a little bit. One of the things that we see is that we get a large branch be it, $70 million, $80 million, $100 million. $100 million is a good crossover point. We don't see that fluctuation as much because there's enough margin - there is enough dollars and margin coming through in volume and even the maturity of the teams are to a level where all of a sudden we see an increase in flow-through that can be closer to 60% to 70% flow-through. An interesting part of where we're at today in our developmental cycle as a company is, if we were to go back five years ago, it took us 40 years to get to our first six $100 million branches. Today, we have - we’ll finish this year with around 13 $100 million branches, which means that if you take 13 up against that 54, we're getting closer and closer to maybe that 50% critical mass of branches that are starting to lever. We today also feel like we have another probably six to seven branches probably in position to reach those same level. So that’s - as you look at stages and branches that’s how incrementally you see more margin flowing through and that’s where you see leverage start at the branch level and ultimately start showing up at the company level.

Matt Schwarz

Analyst

It’s great. So it sounds like that’s quite well to hopefully generate some leverage next year as more branches cross over that $100 million level, is that fair way to think of that?

Michael Elich

Management

Yeah, that is. And one of things that I would say is, as we keep learning a lot along the way, we took what we had known, what we had learned in the last probably three, four years and we've started a branch in Southern California and that branch is already in a short period of time doing - reaching those levels of leverage and we'll see that branch get there probably inside of maybe four years, five years where it's starting to flow-through where the other branches that have come before and they took 20. So we're becoming more efficient on how we get more branches to that level as well.

Matt Schwarz

Analyst

Okay, great. All right, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Elich for closing remarks.

Michael Elich

Management

Again, thank you for being on the call. Looking forward to rounding out 2015 and looking forward to 2016. We feel like things are going in the right direction, we’re working on the right stuff and future looks good. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference. Again, thank you for your participation.