Luiz Carlos Angelotti
Analyst · Itau BBA
Thiago, first part of your question - basically, I think we shouldn't really compare the cycles. 2008, 2009 - it was a totally different moment. Basically, we had a sudden stop in terms of credit growth in 2008 and 2009 and we were growing very strongly. The system was growing very strongly at that moment. And this time, we have been growing more moderately over the last few years. Also, when you compare the portfolios, we had a major change in mix in terms of the types of loans and have migrated to lower-risk. Also, we have had improvements in terms of credit scoring and our systems, incorporating actually how the evolution in the perception of credit in Brazil and also having systemic improvements. And also, there are major improvements in size of each line. Actually, when you look our loans today, it's better than it was in the past. When you look each line, you can see sounder - a sounder portfolio. So, in our view, as we had said in the presentation, credit card came a little bit worse than we expected. We have been slightly more positive. There were some specific cases in the corporate portfolio. The seasonality expected to be the fact of increasing the short-term NPLs, didn't materialize as we expected, but, as I said, we're seeing improvements in the short-term credit quality ratios and maybe we'll revert that in the future. So, with this scenario, it's a portfolio that is different from past cycles, that has been formed in a much more cautious way and with more moderate growth, that gives some comfort even considering the economic conditions that we see as very tough. One important thing, I think, with this question about the asset quality, is that our NPL increased, but when we look for decreased the short starts to decrease, then we believe that the effect of the seasonality that we had in the first quarter continues a little more during the second quarter. But now, that shows that the decreases ratio because the NPL start to decrease. About Cateno and Cielo, this quarter, the number the effect of Cateno the net increase that we have indicated, the first quarter and the second quarter, is around BRL120 million. The majority of this increase came from the Cateno services increased the participation that we improved during the quarter. It has very small effect, when you talk about these revenues.