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Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Jun 26, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the BlackBerry First Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Results Conference call. My name is Carl and I'll be your conference moderator for today's call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. We'll be facilitating a brief question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn today's call over to Tim Foote, CFO, Cyber Security Division and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Tim Foote

Analyst

Thank you, Carl. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to BlackBerry's first quarter fiscal year 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me on today's call is BlackBerry's Chief Executive Officer, John Giamatteo, and Chief Financial Officer, Steve Rai. After I read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements, John will provide a business update and Steve will review the financial results. We will then open the call for a brief Q&A session. This call is available to the general public via call-in numbers and via webcast in the investor information section at blackberry.com. A replay will also be available on the blackberry.com website. Some of the statements we'll be making today constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the safe harbour provisions of applicable U.S. and Canadian Securities Laws. We'll indicate forward-looking statements by using words such as expect, will, should, model, intend, believe and similar expressions. Forward-looking statements are based on estimates and assumptions made by the company in light of its experience and its perception of historical trends, current conditions and expected future developments, as well as other factors that the company believes are relevant. Many factors could cause the company's actual results or performance to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements. These factors include the risk factors that are discussed in the company's annual filings and MD&A. You should not place undue reliance on the company's forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements are made only as of today and the company has no intention and undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of them, except as required by law. As is customary during the call, John and Steve will reference non-GAAP numbers in their summary of our quarterly results. For reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP numbers, please see the earnings press release published earlier today, which is available on EDGAR, SEDAR+ and blackberry.com websites. And with that, I'll turn the call over to John.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Terrific. Thanks Tim. And thanks to everyone for joining us today. I'm pleased to report another solid quarter for BlackBerry. We believe our strategy is working. This past quarter, we made further progress with establishing our IoT and cybersecurity businesses as stand-alone divisions, while at the same time driving additional cost efficiencies. We delivered our third consecutive quarter of sequentially better free cash usage despite the impact of seasonality. We also moved further along the path to profitability by improving both adjusted EBITDA and non-GAAP earnings per share. On the top line, both our IoT and cybersecurity divisions delivered better than expected revenue, and our cybersecurity business achieved improvements in its key ARR and dollar based new retention rate metrics. So let me begin with the IoT division. Revenue for the quarter was $53 million, above the top end of the range we provided previously. Gross margin remains strong at 81%. As expected, due to the timing of OEM programs, development seat revenue returned to a more typical lower level than the record set in Q4. However, both royalties and professional services remain strong and at near record levels. In fact, royalties were stronger than expected and largely drove the IoT revenue outperformance. Double-clicking a little further, automotive accounted for approximately 80% of the total revenue in the first quarter, above the more typical 75%, driven in particular by digital cockpit and ADAS. Our professional services team is operating at near record levels. To support our customers and their development programs, we continue to invest in scaling our services team. This not only helps drive near-term revenue, but also assist customers in starting production and unlocking our $815 million royalty backlog. Within automotive, this quarter we won a number of new design wins for digital cockpit and ADAS. Among the…

Steve Rai

Analyst

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. As a reminder, unless otherwise noted, all numbers provided during my remarks, except for revenue, will be non-GAAP. Total company revenue was $144 million, which exceeded the upper end of our previously provided outlook range. As John mentioned, revenue was comprised of $53 million for IoT, $85 million for cybersecurity, and $6 million for licensing and other. Software product was approximately 85% of revenue, and professional services was the balance at approximately 15%. Of the software product component, approximately 80% was recurrent. We're pleased that such a meaningful portion of our business is repeatable and reliable. Total company gross margin was 67%. As John mentioned, we continue to make great progress on cost reductions. Operating expenses came in $4 million lower, sequentially at $109 million. Research and development was 28% of revenue for the quarter. Sales and marketing 25% and G&A 20%. Non-GAAP operating loss was $12 million and adjusted EBITDA meaningfully beat expectations at negative $7 million. We beat expectations for net cash used in operations at $15 million, and free cash usage was $16 million, a $1 million sequential improvement compared to Q4. Given timing of some larger customer payments, we do expect a sequential increase in operating cash usage in Q2, although still significantly better than the $56 million used in Q2 last year. For the second half, we expect operating cash flow to improve sequentially in Q3 before achieving positive operating cash flow in Q4, as John mentioned. We expect adjusted EBITDA for Q2 to be in the range of negative $5 million to negative $15 million and non-GAAP EPS of negative $0.02 to negative $0.04. For the full fiscal year, we are reiterating our expectations. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of break-even to positive $10 million, and non-GAAP EPS to be between negative $0.03 and negative $0.07. With that, I'll pass the call back to John.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Terrific. Thank you, Steve. So why don't we go ahead and proceed now to Q&A. So Carl, if you don't mind opening the lines, we can take some questions.

Operator

Operator

Certainly. And we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question today will come from Luke Junk with Baird. Please go ahead.

Luke Junk

Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question, John. I'm hoping on near term if you could just unpack what's driving the improvement that you're seeing in the IoT royalties? Is it the new launches coming online? Is it ramping the prior launches? And given what's driving it, just how sustainable would you think that improvement that we're seeing in the royalties is right now? Thank you.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Yes. No, I -- that's really being driven by -- obviously the $815 million backlog. We've got a number of major design wins that have some pent up demand. But it's a bit of both. It's existing design wins, things that are rolling off the line as well as some new implementations. So overall, we're really pleased to see kind of more broadly across both sides of the business that volume had picked up a little bit in the first quarter.

Luke Junk

Analyst

And then for my follow up, maybe a bigger picture question. There's been some investor concern emerging about auto software suppliers and compute and whatnot being supplanted by OEM partnerships potentially in the wake of VW and Rivian last night. I'd just be curious to get your perspective on that. And especially, this is pretty real time, but I'd be maybe even more curious about just your insight from ongoing dialogue with your customers and what the OEMs you're engaged with are thinking and saying? Thank you.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

I think in a lot of ways our customers kind of look to us as a trusted advisor who understands the software side of this business better than anyone. So we work really closely with them. We're definitely collaborating with them on future designs, both from EV as well as internal combustion. But overall, we kind of feel like we're becoming an increasingly more trusted advisor to them on these kind of matters and going deeper into their organization. We're providing a little bit more value around software defined vehicle capabilities.

Tim Foote

Analyst

And I just probably add to that, Luke, if I may, that I don't think those recent announcements really change anything. The moat -- the competitive moat around this QNX business continues to remain very deep. And to John's point, if anything, we're in a fairly strong position here that OEMs are coming to us and asking us to do more. So I don't see any significant headwinds as a result of announcements like last night's.

Luke Junk

Analyst

That's helpful color. Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Paul Treiber with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Paul Treiber

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question. Just a comment in regards or a question in regards to the cost reductions. It's good to see more progress. And I think you're at year up to $125 million. How do we think about the path or the opportunity to achieve the remaining $25 million to reach your target of $150 million?

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question, Paul. We feel really good about it. I think we've got a comprehensive program around it. We've obviously executed on the $125 million. We're taking further actions to simplify some of the more complex things. I think, I mentioned before things like our IT systems that are kind of hardwired into both of the divisions as we get to the next level of unwinding some of that and building capabilities that are just right for the size of those businesses, we see a good line of sight to getting to that additional $25 million. So just as you said, $50 million in Q3, we did an additional $55 million in Q4, $20 million in Q1, and we feel really good about our line of sight to get to the rest.

Paul Treiber

Analyst

And then a follow-up on the IT systems, is that the bottleneck or the constraint in terms of the separation of the business units at this point? And then once you get through that, will you be effectively ready to separate or split the two units?

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Yes, I think so. I think when you have systems like Microsoft or Salesforce.com or NetSuite from Oracle that permeates both parts of the businesses, unwinding -- we have existing agreements at the parent level, unwinding that, aligning them into the divisions, I think is the next step of really firmly separating the two. But that being said, I will tell you where we are now from where we were in the beginning of the year, these are systems that kind of connect the two business units to one another because of the nature of how the parents licensed them over the years. But operationally, we've got the separate leadership teams with their separate governance structures. They're operating, I would tell you, faster from a decision-making perspective than we've ever seen them operate. And in my mind, that's the bigger -- honestly, that's the bigger lift and the bigger benefit is the fact that these teams can be much more agile and quicker to market opportunities than maybe we were when we were all one big kind of integrated BlackBerry.

Paul Treiber

Analyst

Thanks for taking the questions.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Thanks Paul.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Todd Copeland with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

[Technical Difficulty] continue along the lines of the split of the business. When would you expect to provide segmented results for the two units below the revenue line?

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Yes, Todd, that's a great question. Top of mind for us. Honestly, we've kind of got some pro forma things here in the room right now we're working on. And we're getting them ready for prime time and planning on introducing it to all of you at our analyst update in October.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

Okay, great. So you'll break it out, I guess, with the summer quarter's results, and you'll present that at the Analyst Day?

Tim Foote

Analyst

So we'll have an earnings call, Todd, as normal. So that will be at the end of September. And then just a couple of weeks later, you can kind of run the wrap for John's prepared remarks actually, which is, that we'll have an Investor Day on October 16th.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

October 16th. Okay. And October 16th is when you plan to unveil the segmented reporting below the revenue line.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Correct, absolutely.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

Okay. My second question is, I didn't quite understand the headwind comment in IoT. So I got the upside from royalties in the quarter, but then you went on to talk about mix of drive trains and that's a headwind to the business. And so, I just wanted to make sure I understood what's causing that and is that going to cause the IoT growth rate to settle below the 18% as we go through the year? Just talk through that again, please, thank you.

Tim Foote

Analyst

Yes, of course. So I'll take this 1. So the point there, Todd, was that we're agnostic largely to the drivetrain. And there's obviously a lot of talk at this point around some softness on the EV side of the house. The point there was, if we see some softness in EV, that almost certainly means it's going to be strength in hybrid or ICE engines. So, we don't actually see that as necessarily a headwind due to the diversification that QNX enjoys. We did reiterate, however, though, that the programs that we've been talking about that have been delayed. Well, we still see that. We'd say there's some signs, some encouraging signs that things are getting better on that front, but it's still very much a headwind. So when we reiterated our four-year outlook, you need to keep those headwinds in mind when thinking about it. Does that help?

Todd Copeland

Analyst

Yes, that does help. And those headwinds for the programs, that's not new. That's been going on for a little while, right?

Tim Foote

Analyst

Yes, we've been talking about that for several quarters now.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

Yes. And what breaks the logjam on that with what you see today? Just talk through how you're thinking about that. Thanks very much.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Well, it's going to vary by OEM and ultimately we've described it as really they're having to go through a huge transformation from being traditional automakers to having to be software developers. And what they've had to do is ramp up software development team style and that comes with huge challenges and it's not an easy task. So, yes, we've been talking about this for some time. I think ultimately this is not going to be a problem forever. The OEMs will get their hands around it and they will make progress. And I think we're seeing some early signs that that's happening. On our side, we're definitely committed to helping all our customers and the demand for our professional services is possibly an indicator of that. And we're helping to fire that engine by adding some additional headcount into that side of the business. So we're doing everything we can to help lighten the load for OEMs, but ultimately they're going to get there in the end regardless. So, yes, stay tuned on that one.

Todd Copeland

Analyst

Great. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from Kingsley Crane with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Kingsley Crane

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So between CylanceMDR and MDR on demand, can you talk more about the expansion opportunities you have with respect to endpoint outside of bringing more endpoints under coverage? A - John Giamatteo Well, I think, obviously, a multifaceted approach that we from a growth of the Cylance business. Certainly we've got a large installed base of Cylance customers that many of them which are just licensing today our software directly and upselling and upgrading them to MDR services is one kind of track that we're running hard on. Another is focusing on particular verticals where we tend to perform exceptionally well. I think on OT, I think on healthcare customers, customers that have old operating systems that have a variety of different devices, healthcare devices that need to be secured with a small agent and the AI capabilities that we provide is another very, very focused target for us to do there. And then third, I would say, is kind of that mid and small level market. These are smaller companies that are, say 2,000 seats are smaller. They generally don't have the cyber talent, the cyber resources to manage those environments. So we see that as a huge opportunity. It's a growing market. MDR is a growing space because they're looking for vendors like us to provide more of that capability. So those are probably the three main tracks that we're focused on to keep that Cylance business, the renewal rates and the ARR moving in the right direction.

Kingsley Crane

Analyst

Right. Okay. That's really helpful. And so on the cyber business as a whole, you've done a remarkable job rationalizing costs. Can you talk about what product initiatives you are excited about investing in and how you expect those could drive growth?

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Yes, I mean I would say, everything we just talked about within Cylance has been investments over the course of the past few years. But one thing I would call out that maybe we don't talk enough about is our SecuSmart. Our SecuSUITE portfolio, which has been really working well for us on that, is we pivoted that business from a very hardware-centric type of approach to a more software token based approach, which we found has opened up a tremendous amount of new use cases and a tremendous amount of new opportunities. So, this was a business when you look back a few years, it was primarily coming out of this special relationship we had with the German government. When you look at the overall diversification of that business globally with some of our deployments in Canada and the U.S. and Malaysia and Bangladesh and others that we've got some interesting pipeline. That's an investment that we made in the SecuSUITE platform to really address a completely different segment of the market. That would be another one, I would say, above and beyond that. And then we're very excited, AtHoc, we're releasing our geofencing capability. It's a unique capability that differentiates our solution from other solutions that are out there in the market. And we've seen a tremendous amount of demand in governments, police organizations, emergency services. So, it's probably something we haven't talked enough about, but investments we've made in AtHoc and in SecuSmart that have driven growth and driven some nice pipeline for us.

Kingsley Crane

Analyst

Thank you. Appreciate the time. Great to see the progress.

Operator

Operator

And this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to John Giamatteo, CEO for BlackBerry, for any closing remarks.

John Giamatteo

Analyst

Terrific. Thank you, Carl. So let me just quickly one more time summarize the quarter. We still have a lot of work to do. We know that. But we do believe our strategy is starting to deliver results. We made significant progress in separating our IoT and cyber business and towards profitability. Cash usage in the quarter was better than expected and we improved both adjusted EBITDA and non-GAAP EPS. Revenue for both IoT and cyber beat expectations. IoT had a number of design wins in the quarter, including SDP 8.0, and we saw further small but important improvements in our key metrics like cyber ARR and DBNRR. So before we end the call, I guess we kind of preempted this in one of the previous questions, but we do want to let you know that we're excited to be hosting an Investor Day at the New York Stock Exchange on October 16th, where during this event we'll perform a deep dive on the products, the markets, some of the financial profiles that we talked about before of both divisions, and I'm sure you're going to find it valuable. The event will be hybrid with the sessions being live streamed on the day. So thanks again for joining us today. We'll look forward to seeing you next time.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.