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Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 9, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the StoneCastle Financial Corp. Second Quarter Financial Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Rachel Schatten, General Counsel of StoneCastle Financial. Thank you. Please proceed.

Rachel Schatten

Analyst

Good afternoon. Before we begin this conference call, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made during the call may be considered forward-looking statements based on current management expectations that involve substantial risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the results stated in or implied by these forward-looking statements. This would depend on numerous factors, such as changes in securities or financial markets or general economic conditions; the volume of sales and purchases of shares of common stock; the continuation of investment advisory, administrative, and service contracts; and other risks discussed from time-to-time in the company's filings with the SEC, including annual and semiannual reports of the company. StoneCastle Financial has based the forward-looking statements included in its presentation on information available to us as of June 30, 2018. The company undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statement made herein. All forward-looking statements speak only as of today, August 9, 2018. Now, I will turn the call over to StoneCastle Financial's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Josh Siegel.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, Rachel. Good afternoon and welcome to StoneCastle Financial's second quarter 2018 investor call. In addition to Rachel, joining me today is George Shilowitz, President and Pat Farrell, our Chief Financial Officer. I'd like to start the call today with a review of StoneCastle Financial's quarterly results and then provide updates on the company. Then, I will turn the call over to Pat who will provide you with greater detail on our financial results before I open up the call for questions. Net investment income for the quarter was 2.6 million or $0.40 per share. Total assets were approximately 190.9 million and the value of the invested portfolio was approximately 187 million. During the quarter, the company invested an additional 5.26 million into community funding 2018, which was announced on last quarter's call. The net asset value at the end of the quarter was $22.01, up $0.43 from the prior quarter, due primarily to an increase in the value of Chicago Shore and community funding CLO. We believe no meaningful credit issues currently exist within the portfolio and the majority of the investments continue to be scored investment grade by Kroll Bond Rating Agency. Now, let me turn to the portfolio review. This was a quite quarter outside of the company's additional investment in community funding 2018. This pooled equity vehicle closed in April 2018 with total assets of 57.2 million and StoneCastle invested 22.3 million in the preferred shares. We closed with an estimated effective yield on the preferred shares of 9.34%. Of the 11 holdings in the vehicle, the largest investment and single state exposure was First Bancshares, located in Mississippi, totaling 10 million. We continued to discuss this type of financing vehicle with large institutional investors, but we have no plans to execute another investment at…

Pat Farrell

Analyst

Thank you, Josh. As I do each quarter, I will present the financials by going through the detailed components to help you understand the value of the company. The net asset value at June 30 was $22.01, up $0.43 from the prior quarter. The NAV is comprised of four components. Net investment income, realized capital gains and losses, the change in value of the portfolio's investments and finally distributions paid during the period. Let me walk through these components. Gross income for the quarter was 4.4 million or $0.67 per share. Net operating expenses for the quarter were 1.8 million or $0.27 per share. Net investment income for the quarter was 2.6 million or $0.40. The second component affecting the change in NAV for the quarter is realized capital gains and losses. The net realized capital gain for the quarter was approximately $34,000 or less than half a penny per share. The first third, changes in unrealized appreciation or depreciation of the portfolio relates to how the value of the entire investment portfolio has changed from the previous quarter end to the current quarter end. For the second quarter, the unrealized appreciation of the portfolio increased by approximately 2.6 million or $0.40 per share. The majority of this increase was due to increases in the values of Chicago Shore and community funding CL. As I know each quarter, the vast majority of the portfolio continues to be independently marked from broker dealer quotes. For the quarter, over 99% of the portfolio prices or marks reflect a minimum of two quotations or actual closing exchange prices. These quotations represent an independent third-party assessment of the current value of the portfolio. At quarter end, the closing stock price of StoneCastle treated at a 4% premium to the actual market value of the…

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, Pat. Now, operator, we would like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Christopher Testa with National Securities.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

Josh, just wanted to discuss potential significant changes and how you're viewing the pipeline. I mean, last year on the earnings calls, you guys were kind of offering the ability of somebody to participate in a pipe. And then today, originations are just a bit over 5 million. I mean, what's kind of been I guess the biggest factor or factors that have caused, I guess, much lower originations than I think you had thought the prior year.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

It's really the ebbs and flows of the industry. I mean, we actually - as we mentioned on the call, we have a number of deals we're working on this quarter. So it really just depends where the demand is at a point in time. There is also deal flow but there are rates that we don't think are particularly economic. They're just not attractive. So, sure, I mean, if our investors are happy, dropping our yield from 7% to 6%, we can do a lot more paper, but I don't know if that's the most prudent thing to do, because I think that given the size of our vehicle, there's enough - very accretive opportunities that we can be selective and find the ones we want.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

And what's caused this - I guess kind of sudden onset of kind of spread compression in the bank lending. I know that this had been kind of immune to it, while the middle market cash flow lending was compressing for two years and it seems that this kind of happened pretty quickly. Has there been new entrants in the space? I mean, what's helping banks drive terms to that point?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

It's not so much - there is no new entrants that we're aware of. It's really - and if not bank specific. I mean, as we look across all corporate spreads, I mean, being an investment advisor, we talk to all the different, just on with one of the senior people, they're having the same issue, right. Everything is ridiculously tight, which if you're prudent, you'd say, that can last and so why do you want to rush into that. So, a lot of the smart money out there, kind of pulling things off the table, that is being more judicious about what they buy. I hear that from private equity firms. Normally, they're buying things for six or seven times EBITDA. Now, they are achieving 10 times EBITDA. The cycle is growing a little longer than it should and I'm a big believer and so are everyone here that we're sort of immune reversion model to the financial markets. So, wanting to put a bunch of non-call five on because, it looks Sandler O' Neill was able to print a few trades at 5.90 for much, much larger banks, it has some smaller banks sort of saying, well, why don't I get that one, because you're not public, you're not rated and you're small. So we're just being judicious. I mean, it's not that we're not seeing a lot of deal flow coming in the door, just our committee is saying, nice credit, but we're not interested at 6.25, we'd be interested at 7.5. And we're getting some and we get some things at 9 or higher. It's just - we just have to be judicious and find the best risk return, because our one and only goal is to maintain a steady dividend and steady earnings right and with our current portfolio yield at about 9.09%, when you take out just our cash equivalent, we're trying to maintain that as best we can, that may have to come down over time, because you can't fight the markets, but we are fighting it right now and we're still finding enough to keep ourselves generating enough income for investors that we're easily covering our dividend and that's our primary goal.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

That's definitely a fair answer. And would you say that the yields are still high enough that they would make sense in a community funding type vehicle where you get some synthetic leverage?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Yes. We are still exploring those opportunities to do more vehicles of a similar kind, not in a rush, but yes, there's still - it is the same side of the market, the financing rates are better than they were a year ago because spreads compressed on that as well. So that value is still there, we're looking at that and we're exploring and in discussions, but there is nothing happening in the short term.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

And we're about roughly a half year since CECL was originally announced or so. Just wondering are the banks still just sitting on our hands waiting for the last minute or has there been some pickup in discussion that you've been hearing about this?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Oh, it's like what's the old adage of the seven stages of denial or something like that. The banks are waking up and what they're realizing is, I'm not going to sit on my end, I'm going to argue. So, there's been some chatter at American Banker and ABA Banking Journal about banks, saber rattling to the Fed and to anyone they can of, well, what can we do about this. And one insight is nothing is likely going to change, you can ask, but this is a gap issue. It's done, it's decided. So this isn't a regulator issue, this is a FASB issue. Now again, what I mentioned it for the first time six months ago, we were very, very clear to say, this is like an 18-month window before things begin, because the implementation date isn't until another year or year and a half from now. So it's going to take time, but yeah, people are getting a bit more anxious about it and so that is a good sign. They're thinking about it now, they are starting to quantify it. And they're vocal, if that's a real word, is because they're starting to realize, wow, I really would have to raise some capital here and, yeah, I don't know, it's going to cost me, well, yeah, it's going to cost you, but it's also going to make you a safer institution. So - and that was part of the article I think in the American Banker today or yesterday about the same issue is it actually does get banks thinking more prudently about, am I earning the proper rate of return for the risk I'm taking on a given loan and the duration I'm taking, which they innately did, but not in such a quantitative way. So, yeah, I think, it's improving, starting, but improving.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

And just curious, what are the banks saying about the 210 yield curve that seems like, it's on the cusp of converting.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Two schools of thought from banks I talked to. One is, there's no way the Fed is going to forcibly invert it, because right now, it's more of the short term being forced up deliberately where the long end, hasn't really moved all that much, just come in and up and down a little bit, hasn't moved a lot. So it would seem odd to a large group of bankers that the Fed would willfully put banks in a negative carry position. That said, it can still happen and then the other half is where that it will happen temporarily, has it has historically. That would bring in some NIM compression, but credit quality is knock on woods, still quite strong out there, so it's not an immediate concern. And then the question is something's going to have to give at some point, right. I mean, the Fed is pulling liquidity out of the system. China has a moratorium on increasing its treasury positions, Russia is liquidating everything, who really knows. But it's not panicking anybody, the greater concern in the banking space right now is access to deposit funding. That's the topic that it's getting harder and harder to find the deposits to fill the loan demand.

Christopher Testa

Analyst

So if they're starting to be, maybe a potential for deposits like now, that short term rates have ticked up for so long?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

It is an issue. You're seeing more money, move back in the money funds, because the rates you can earn on a money fund, government money fund are up at sort of, worth the top of bank rates are and so that's having some bank customers explore their options. You're seeing because of where still the equity markets are, the cash balance in most brokerage accounts is near sort of long term loads, so there is less cash in those to be redirected to banks and that's $1 trillion market. Plans for the larger banks, the prime money funds are 800 billion smaller than they were a couple of years ago. That used to be a huge buyer of sort of bank commercial paper, sort of uninsured deposits and that's not there. So, yeah, there is - it's not a concern, because the nice part is, banks can choose not to make loans. So, don't find themselves in a risk position, but it hampers growth. And so they're having to pay more for deposits to the extent that they're comfortable paying more for deposits.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Devin Ryan with JMP Securities.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities.

I guess first question here, just on the Chicago Shore detail, if you don't mind, maybe given a little bit of a re-explanation around the new marquee vehicle and I guess really why go through the effort to create that and delay the realization of the dividend, if I heard correctly and then just with the acquisition of Chicago Shore closing at the beginning of the month, given that you're so close to the situation, do you have any sense or expectation on timing of when it could be called.

Josh Siegel

Analyst · JMP Securities.

Let's do that in reverse order. No, they gave us the notice, the notice period has come and gone and they haven't yet, I wouldn't expect it to be terribly delayed, I mean that's to get regulatory approval. But they've already long given their notice that's required which was a 30-day notice. So I don't know when they're going to do it and in the meantime, we're still at 9%. So okay, take all the time you want. In terms of first marquee, when we and the board were sort of reviewing the situation, one thing when it was a couple of hundred thousand of a crew, but having gotten to this point of multiple years of deferral and 1.7 million of dividend, we sort of said, look, our job is to benefit the shareholders over a long period of time, stable, predictable income. So we've sort of talked to lawyers, talked to the accountants and said, what are our options here, because this was supposed to be, originally somebody would be paying 9% current and would have benefited investors over all of these years, since what, 2016 or so when we bought it. So we said if - look if we can basically put this into a vehicle, like we do with other vehicles and have the benefit of all of that back interest plus still earning on the corpus, spread that over time and generate a very nice rate of return for multiple years. That actually benefits shareholders across a longer period of time than whoever was lucky enough to own it at the very moment.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities.

And then just a follow up here, on the ETF assets, ended the quarter at about 20 million. That's roughly flat from last quarter, love to just get some thought around how you're thinking about the trajectory of the ETF investments over the next couple of quarters, just based on your comments on the pipeline, not trying to get too granular on how big the pipeline is, but if you just would think about replacing those or using some of the kind of capacity on the credit facility for us, just trying to think about kind of where you would go next in terms of funding that.

Josh Siegel

Analyst · JMP Securities.

[indiscernible] as we close these new investments, we will be liquidating the PFS to roll from a 5.5 yield into whatever it might be, 7, 8, 9 plus percent yield. So while we can't say exactly how much, because we don't know, I mean, we have a lot in the pipe, but it depends on the timing on when they close, the goal is to work that down, but - our goal is to make sure that is invested in a way that maximizes the return for investors and for the quarter, having generated $0.40 just of NII, it seems to still be balanced, but we're going to work that down as we can roll into these investments.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris O'Connell with KBW.

Chris O'Connell

Analyst

So I just had a couple of follow-up questions on kind of the slower demand recently or slower pipeline and how it's going to pick up from CECL. How much of the current investments that or investment range of the companies that you guys are looking at, are going to be implementing CECL kind of on day one and how many are going to be the small public entity filers or I think that there's potentially even another delay being included for private banks going out two years past, the initial implementation date, can you just give some detail around that?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Well, there is not much detail, because much like what you just said, there's discussion of, but not much is decided and even bank to bank, it's unclear. I mean, most of our portfolio are either private or small public, right, just by definition. We have very, very few if any that would sort of qualify as very actively traded public banks. So most of them will be on the longer term cycle. Whether they adopt before or the first second, I think they'll try to wait as long as they can, unless they feel they have got a good handle on it. But I'd be guessing, there's no way to know exactly what they're going to do in terms of the timing. I do want to sort of give some context and maybe reframe one of the things that I think I heard on two of the questions that is, the smaller pipeline. The pipeline isn't small, the pipeline of deals we want to do that meet our return and credit profile is smaller, but don't confuse that with the pipeline, we always have a flow of deals coming in. We have active credit committee every week reviewing things. We're just not thrilled with what we're seeing mostly from a rate standpoint. So again, if we want to put more money to work and sort of bring the average rate on the portfolio down a bit, that's not a problem at all. We feel very good about the credit, right, and be nice stable returns, just not as high a return as we're generating at the moment. So there is plenty of pipeline, there is just at the moment not a plethora of deals that help us maintain our kind of ballpark 9% average yield, which is we've been trying to do, but keep in mind, that hedge fund territory and we're doing it with investment grade credit. It's not the easiest thing to produce that. But that said, we have a number of deals in the pipe and we have pretty high confidence we'll get some deals done this quarter. That will be accretive and be sort of in line with what we've done, but we're just right now making the conscious effort just to turn away some of these lower rate deals and let them get done by insurance companies who are fine sort of just owning the lower rate of return.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. Allow me to hand the floor back over to management for closing remarks.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, operator. So thank you everybody for listening. Have a good rest of the summer and we will speak to you in November.