Pascal Claude Roland Soriot
Analyst
Thank you, Aradhana. On the MFN, maybe I can take this one. And we've had, as you can imagine, many interactions with the administration at different levels. The industry has had all the companies. And we, as a company, have had several interactions that certainly personally had many interactions. And we've basically shared what we think could be done because I do believe a rebalancing equalization, if you want to call it this way of pricing, a rebalancing of pricing around the world is necessary. The U.S. can no longer pay for the R&D for the world. I mean it's not sustainable. So we need to have a fairer sharing of the cost of R&D in our industry across which countries. And of course, poor countries, we need to be more flexible with price, but which countries need to share and then share -- and you have to consider GDP levels, et cetera, for sure. So we've actually made a number of proposals. Of course, as you know, the pricing structure in the U.S. and the U.S. market is a huge market. It's a complicated market. Pricing is very complicated. So there's a lot of technicalities involved. But we did make our proposals, which we believe could achieve what the President is trying to achieve, but we also need Europe to increase their share of GDP allocated to innovative pharmaceuticals. I mean if you think about it, today, the U.S. spends 0.8% of GDP in innovative pharmaceuticals, 0.8%. The U.K. and many countries in Europe, Germany is better, but many countries in Europe spend 0.3% of GDP. That's not enough. They need to increase it. And actually increasing it would be good not only for patients because we talk about price, but it's not only a question of price, it's a question of access. In many countries in Europe, people, patients wait for years to get access to medicines that could save their lives. So it's a question of access, not only price. The second reason that would be good for Europe is we believe our sector is a great sector in terms of science, innovation, creating jobs and economic value. So today, innovation -- I mean, I started in the industry a long time ago. And at the time, innovation was driven out of Europe, and we were selling pills really. Today, innovation is driven out of the U.S. There is an explosion of technologies, as you know, that is driven by all these investments that has taken place. China is ramping up, as we've talked about before, very rapidly. And sadly, Europe is falling behind. So I think this rebalancing needs to take place, not only for the industry, but also -- and not only for the U.S. pricing level, but also so that Europe can actually contribute to this innovation and then benefit from it in terms of value creation and economic development. But the administration is considering all these things, and we'll see what comes out of all these proposals that different companies may have made. On the C5 data, I'll ask Marc to comment, but I want to make a quick comment. We really want to be respectful of congresses and data presented at the Congress. We don't want to disclose data ahead of the Congress because -- we want to be respectful of the processes that are in place and the right of Congress to keep the data until it's presented. But maybe Marc in a minute wants to make a few points. The last point I will make about the so-called obesity. I've never really liked, as I said, the word obesity for me, it's about weight management because actually, at the end of the day, for me, it's not about how you look. I mean, you look the way you want to look, quite frankly. The question is how much abdominal fat do you have and how much inflammation do you create around your liver, around your pancreas, around your heart in your body and how much that drives multiple conditions, in particular, metabolic conditions. So our approach has always been to target this central fat, this abdominal fat and the -- I mean, metabolic syndrome is not the right term because it's never been a recognized indication, but let's say, this insulin resistance. And that's really what we target. We believe it's a big market. We believe it's a market that needs to be addressed with prices that are affordable. And then payers and patients around the world should benefit and then should be reimbursed because if you address that, you're going to really help patients. But at the end of the day, these are chronic treatments. And essentially, you have to be easy to take and you have to be affordable so people can take these medicines for a long time. Sorry to talk a little bit long. But Marc, over to you for the C5 data.