Pascal Soriot
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Over to you, Mark
Thanks, Dave. So the -- let me try with your second question, actually, Seamus, a great question and then maybe Ruud or Sharon, if you want to add. So let me just make two overall points, first of all. First of all, we look at this beyond obesity. We actually look at it in the context of what has been recently called CKM cardiac, kidney, metabolism. So you really have to look at the patients holistically and that is what we have been working on for years. The pipeline we have today, not only for weight management, obesity, but also for hypertension, for kidney disease, etc, is actually a pipeline that we've been working on for quite some time, of course, also the oral PCSK9, which we think has enormous potential. So that's the first comment. The second is we have a plan. We have a plan for weight management, obesity. And I'm really excited because we have already the plan for phase 2, phase 3. We've approved this plan. Of course, we will unlock phase 2 at the appropriate time when we see our phase 2 results, but we're very confident we have a plan. I'm also very excited because the person in charge of that plan is the person who built Crestor historically to and develop a fantastic clinical plan and same person who led the team who actually developed Farxiga in renal disease, in heart disease and built it to -- essentially from a clinical viewpoint, of course, built it to what we have today. And now she is going to do with -- together with the team in charge, doing the same. I'm sure is with this franchise. So going into more details, the way we look at it is that there are really two markets, in our view, in my view. One is what I would call the weight management, weight management is people who have a BMI below 28, 30, that's actually many of us above maybe the edge of 45, 50 we need to lose a few kilos, and maybe people have additional risk factors. It could be hypertension, it could be diabetes, could be dyslipidemia. And these people, they really need a simple regimen, oral regimen with a simple dose and then combine this with a number of medicines we have in development, whether it's back prostate, DAPA, and a number of others, of course. So that's one part. The other market is what people call obesity and everybody calls the old group of patients or obesity. Obesity is clearly defined. It's people who have a higher BMI. And in that group, you need a titration up. You need higher doses of GLP-1. You need combinations because you need to improve the quality of the weight loss, more fat loss, less weight loss. And in that context, we need combinations, and that's what Sharon was talking about, we're looking forward to presenting new data, additional data for some of our other products in this franchise. So really to two separate parts. And then the last part is, of course, diabetes, traditional diabetes for GLP-1. So we have a plan for all those segments. We're ready to go. Phase 2 will start very soon. And then as soon as we have the results, of course, we unlock phase 3. And our team has proven in the past that they are really excellent at delivering cardiovascular studies. We've done it with [indiscernible] many times. We've done it before in the old days with Crestor and other medicines, and we are really -- you have a great team to run this. So that's really how we see it. And sort of we have optionality around the pipeline. But really, what we're trying to do is what we presented to you at the Investor Day is leverage the strength of the pipeline. Some people say you have a broad pipeline. Well, it's on purpose because we want to -- in cardiovascular disease, we want to treat patients holistically, not only help them lose weight but also treat the other factors, the same as we do in oncology. Anything you guys would like to add Ruud or Sharon?