Vernon J. Nagel
Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets
Matt, that question is a fantastic question because it brings -- it highlights for us the difficulty that we are having in trying to identify sales volume versus price mix versus channel and product mix. The world is coming together as we had predicted, if you will 5 years ago, and the integration of Lighting Controls into the luminaire and how we control that is occurring. Our ability to send -- to sell integrated lighting solutions as part of a holistic package are continuing to grow. Virtually all of our LED luminaires have some type of lighting control element as part of them, and so those LED luminaires now represent 20% of our revenues. When we look at some of the discrete components that we would sell into the marketplace, we continue -- from a controls perspective, we continue to see growth. We actually see growth accelerating pretty significantly in our nLight program, the ability to again tie luminaires together in a holistic lighting solution that then further gets tied into energy and building management. So we are experiencing again solid growth there. The issue on the margin side -- and we're very pleased, by the way, with our margins. For us to have delivered 41% gross margins, a 12.2% operating profit margin while seeing the LED side of our business continuing to grow, I think it’s pretty robust. There are reports out there that others have made that suggest that based on what Zumtobel is doing, we should see a decline in our margins. To be clear, at least yet to see the significant turnaround in new construction that I think is before us, and yet we continue to grow our top line meaningfully in that renovation area broadly defined, small, medium, large-type renovation projects, which typically -- or tend to have lower overall margins. So all of this is working as we have planned, and I think that we are, again, uniquely positioned to leverage our platform and portfolio.
Matthew Schon McCall - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: And maybe as a follow-up, Vern, my second question, you talked a lot about mix, whether it be project or some of the stock and flow, whether it be renovation versus new. And you talked about the mix impact from renovation. What -- is there -- have you provided any detail about the estimated margin impact from that mix, from more renovation? And if you have -- and if I missed it, I apologize. But just curious, as that shift moves, if we can kind of point to a margin improvement trend based on mix shift toward more construction?