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AvePoint, Inc. (AVPT)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 9, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the AvePoint Inc. Q3 2023 Earnings Call. Today, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jamie Arestia, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

James Arestia

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to AvePoint's third quarter 2023 earnings call. With me on the call this afternoon is Dr. TJ Jiang, Chief Executive Officer; and Jim Caci, Chief Financial Officer. After preliminary remarks, we will open the call for a question-and-answer session. Please note that this call will include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statements contained in our press release for a more complete description. All material in the webcast is the sole property and copyright of AvePoint with all rights reserved. Please note this presentation describes certain non-GAAP measures, including non-GAAP operating income and non-GAAP operating margin, which are not measures presented in accordance with U.S. GAAP. The non-GAAP measures are presented in this presentation as we believe they provide investors with the means of evaluating and understanding how management evaluates the company's operating performance. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, a substitute for, or superior to financial measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is available in our third quarter 2023 earnings press release as well as our updated investor presentation, both of which are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Lastly, we have added an Excel file containing our historical financial metrics to the IR website for ease of reference. With that, let me turn the call over to TJ.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Thanks, Jamie, and thank you to every one joining us on the call today. Q3 was another strong quarter for AvePoint, as we again meaningfully outperformed our guidance for both total revenue and non-GAAP operating margins while delivering total ARR growth of 25% after adjusting for the impact of FX. Jim will spend more time on our third quarter results and updated guidance, but I would like to spend today discussing the inflection point we currently face and why we are so excited about the many opportunities ahead of us. shifthappens:

SISO's

Analyst

I hear this concern in every conversation with customers and partners and more formal studies also back this up. 89% of executives say that high quality data is essential, but 75% of them don't trust their data and 66% believe they're below average in managing the information lifecycle, properly governing the data and ensuring its compliance. For AI projects to succeed, organizations must address these data challenges by applying key strategies to better manage, clean and enrich their data. This is where the power of AvePoint Confidence platform comes in and why we believe AvePoint can be a key enabler of generative AI adoption within enterprises in the coming years. On a daily basis, we manage more than 250 petabytes of data for our customers and partners, enabling them to modernize, control and apply resilience to their data management practices. And we have a proven time tested playbook to do so, which is only becoming more relevant with the desire to leverage AI across businesses of all sizes around the world. Specifically, these are the steps we take with the AvePoint Confidence Platform. One, we bring together data from all repositories and sources across the enterprise. Two, we ensure that the data is properly classified and intact. And three, we implement the correct lifecycle and access controls for that data. shifthappens: With AvePoint Opus, organizations can manage their information and ensure compliance, optimize cloud storage and streamline data management processes, all of which are essential to the AI focused ambitions of our customers and prospects. We're excited about our roadmap for AI Power Solutions and you'll hear more from us on new products and enhancements to our existing offerings that will drive even more customer value. Let's discuss a couple of customer wins and expansions in the third quarter that…

James Caci

Analyst

Thank you, TJ, and good afternoon everyone. As we review our strong third quarter results today, let me remind you that unless otherwise noted, I'll be referring to non-GAAP metrics. For the third quarter ended September 30, 2023, total revenues were $72.8 million, up 16% year-over-year and once again above the high end of our guidance. Within total revenue, third quarter SaaS revenue was $41.9 million as our fastest growing revenue segment grew 40% year-over-year and in Q3 SaaS comprised 58% of total revenues compared to 48% a year ago. Looking at the business geographically, our solid performance was once again driven by the growth in our SaaS business. In North America, SaaS revenues grew 28% year-over-year and represented 57% of North America revenues, which in turn grew 8% year-over-year. In EMEA, SaaS revenues grew 51% year-over-year and represented 72% of EMEA revenues, which in turn grew 14% year-over-year. And in APAC SaaS revenues grew 50% year-over-year and represented 43% of APAC revenues, which in turn grew 35% year-over-year. Total ARR surpassed the $0.25 billion dollar mark this quarter as we ended Q3 at $250.6 million. This represents year-over-year growth of 23% and growth of 25% when adjusted for the impact of FX. Net new ARR in the third quarter was $14.4 million representing year-over-year growth of 14% after adjusting for the $3 million of ARR that we added in the prior year period through the acquisition of tyGraph. And as we look at ARR geographically, we are pleased that year-over-year growth for all three regions was generally in line with total reported ARR growth as we saw another strong quarter of execution by our sales teams. Continuing with ARR and the metrics we assess against several key growth strategies, we ended the third quarter with 518 customers with ARR…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Today's first question comes from Fatima Boolani with Citi. Please proceed.

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

Thank you. And thank you for taking my questions. TJ, I wanted to start with you with respect to Opus and really delve into your philosophy around commercialization. In other words, I want to get an understanding of is this going to be a discrete incremental monetization opportunity for you or is it going to be used as a strategic and competitive maneuver to drive better retention and expansion velocity in the base? I would love to unpack that with you in terms of monetization strategy. And then a follow up as well, please.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Thank you Fatima for that question. Yes, so last earnings we already discussed, we had preview customers with government agencies that's already deriving productivity improvements with this product. This is actually the new generation of our cloud archiving and record management product. So it's actually both. It's both of incremental revenue go getter for us as well as the expansion of emphasizing the platform play that we have around the whole end-to-end lifecycle management of business data. So that's part of it. It's also related to second part of your question.

GenAI Rush

Analyst

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

Thank you for that. I just wanted to shift gears into your performance by geographic theaters. I mean, the United States performance stands out to me. It's growing at a fraction of the rate of your rest of world regions. And it's actually, based on what I see, has seen the most deceleration in the last several quarters. So I kind of wanted to understand why the disconnect in the North American markets versus your international execution?

James Caci

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Fatima, for the question. So may be a couple of thoughts. Right? One is, we're seeing, as you mentioned, it's 8% growth in terms of revenue growth. But if we think about that, it's really a revenue mix issue that's driving that. And what we're seeing is in North America, we're seeing significant growth on the SaaS side. So we saw 28% growth year-over-year on SaaS. And then our term license revenue was actually down 10%. So it's a little bit of a mix. So the most important thing that we're looking at is really our ARR growth in North America. And what we see there is growth that's in line with the overall company growth that we reported for the quarter of 23%. So we're right in line with that. And so for us, we don't look at it as necessarily deterioration. We're just looking at really as a mix shift. And in the long run, I think that helps us.

Fatima Boolani

Analyst

I appreciate that color. Thank you.

James Caci

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Gabriela Borges with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.

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Tianyi Jiang

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Got it. That's helpful. And you raised your operating income guidance again for the year. What's driving that operating leverage? Is that primarily associated with your shift to the channel or other factors that might go into this?

James Caci

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Max. I think it's really across the board, right. That is clearly a factor. I think we are getting leverage really across our sales and marketing teams as well as our general and admin expenses. You can see that really across the board. So I think the channel is playing a component. We're able to see some leverage there. But I also think we're able to take advantage of really leveraging some of our G&A expenses as well. So, I think we're looking to continue that really into Q4 and beyond. The focus this year has really been on profitable growth, and I think that comes from the channel is helping that in terms of leverage. But we're also examining all parts of the business and ensuring that we're as efficient and effective as possible.

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Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Kirk Materne with Evercore ISI. Please proceed.

Chirag Ved

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please proceed.

Hi, this is Chirag Ved on for Kirk. Congratulations on the strong quarter, and thanks for taking the question. I first wanted to ask about the broader demand environment, whether anything has changed from the past quarter and how that compares across the customer segments you sell to whether enterprise mid-market and SMB. So any commentary on the general macro spending environment and customer budgets would be very useful. Thank you.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please proceed.

Yes, thanks for the question. So we're seeing, it's still a very challenging macro environment and pretty uncertain. We're still seeing the same scrutiny around budgets, so we see that continuing. We don't think it's gotten worse. When we think about the demand, we actually – I think last quarter we referred to it as stabilization, and I think I would continue to use that terminology when we look at our deal cycles and how long it's taking to get deals through the process, that doesn't seem to have changed much. This year is longer than the past, but it hasn't been getting worse as we've gone through the year. So I think that's kind of stabilized. And when we look at the three segments, our SMB segment is our fastest growing segment that continues to be, but all three segments have been healthy in terms of growth. So again, we're not really seeing any one particular segment overly affected. So again, we were really pleased with the quarter's performance, and it's really across all three segments.

Chirag Ved

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please proceed.

All right, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Great. Thank you. Great quarter, guys. Any specific skews driving the slight improvement to the net revenue retention rate?

James Caci

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Yes, well, I think it's a couple of things. Right. In terms of we definitely have seen TJ pointed out a couple customer acceleration or additions in the quarter. I think those were very helpful. I think we're seeing customers really look to reduce costs. So we've seen some consolidation. We've seen some of our products that are helping them do that with existing customers. So I think that's really been the key call outs. I think we're still in this macro uncertain environment. Right. So we're pleased with the quarter's performance, but again, we're being very cautiously optimistic when we think about the rest of the year.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

And if I may, for calendar 2023 ending, you're guiding to 22% ARR growth as is. What's the FX adjusted expectation with current rates?

James Caci

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Well, again, for us, it's interesting, right. We've got a very global business. So we've seen this year, if you look at the FX impacts around the globe, we've seen EMEA kind of come back in terms of the euro against the dollar. That's gotten stronger, but we've seen the Japanese Yen continue to get weak against the dollar. And for us, those kind of offset each other slightly. So we're going to see slight improvement on the ARR in terms of this 22 probably gets us another two points in total for the year. I mean, you can see that as we were in Q3 2023 and 2025, I think it's probably similar for the year somewhere in that 1% to 2% impact of FX.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Derrick Wood with TD Cowen. Please proceed.

Derrick Wood

Analyst

Oh, great. Thanks for taking my question, TJ, we're hearing more and more that cloud optimization efforts are something here to stay with workload governance and cost management. A core part of your value proposition, just curious, is the level of the buyer that you're engaging changing at all? And how do you feel about positioning for larger budget capture? And I guess I'd ask the same thing for AI I mean as companies perhaps view you guys as critical in helping train models against private data, do you think that new buyers to engage with surface?

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Hi Derrick. Great question. The first part of that is cloud Ops cost control really plays into our wheelhouse, our platform advantage, especially with control suite around operation management, entitlement management, and of course this whole lifecycle management, including low code, no code platforms, that's PowerApps is in high demand. So that part is really well. And with AI, I have so much conversation now with the CISOs and CIOs around, rolling out copilot to make sure that there's copilot readiness. So that means making sure that folks don't have over privileged access to suggestions from Copilot in terms of drafting answers and leveraging corporate data. So that's a very, very active area and topic. We actually see tremendous opportunity to expand our value-added strategic offer there. So that's why at my earlier comment, we think that that will drive a lot of the business growth in the coming quarters and years. So yes, both of those platform play, as well as the necessity around proper information management to drive a better outcome with AI is going to be the major theme going forward. And by the way, we're not a stranger to AI. We've been a longtime consumer of cognitive services on Azure, which is basically the front end to OpenAI for a number of years now. We have solutions that does these detection of ransomware attacks, for example, and auto classification taxonomy generation, as well as data analytics services using previous paradigms in AI, of course, now infusion of Gen AI architecture, so yes these are things are major themes that's going to carry forward in driving momentum for the business.

Derrick Wood

Analyst

Got it, thanks there. And a follow up for Jim on the ARR guidance. If I look at what it implies for net new ARR, it's down quarter-over-quarter in the Q4, and I think the same thing happened last year. But could you just remind us why this is the case in a Q4? Does it have something to do with spiking government strength in Q3, or what are the dynamics that have net new ARR going down sequentially?

James Caci

Analyst

Yes, good question, Derrick. So yes, part of that is what you just said. That's definitely part of it. I think the second half of that really deals more with the macro environment we see. When we came into Q3, we kind of set the expectation that we'd be somewhere between $24 million and $25 million of incremental ARR in the second half of the year. And so we still feel really good about that. And obviously we're pleased with how we performed in Q3. I think some of it is a little bit of the government sector, the public sector. But again, we're just thinking about the macro environment, the uncertainties, and again, still feel very comfortable with that original set of getting somewhere between 2024 and 2025. We have a small raise for ARR for Q4, and we feel comfortable about that in light of the macro environment right now.

Derrick Wood

Analyst

Thank you.

James Caci

Analyst

Thanks, Derrick.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jason Ader with William Blair. Please proceed.

Jason Ader

Analyst

Yes, thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Just wanted to ask you, on first off on the revenue growth guidance for Q4 12% that would be quite a bit lower than where it was in the first three quarters of the year and certainly lower than where it's been historically. Is there something unique going on in Q4? Is it just Macro? Maybe just help us square why the revenue growth would decelerate as much as that.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Sure. Thanks, Jason. So maybe it's two factors, right? One is what you called out in terms of the macro environment. Again, just trying to plan for uncertainties. And then the second piece might be that in Q3, even though our term license revenue is down 10% year-over-year, it is higher than what our expectation was coming into, really the second half of the year. And so, in essence, right that term license revenue is going to pull a little revenue out of future periods and have it land in Q3, which helped a little bit with the beat we saw in Q3, but it also then negatively impacts Q4. So again, I think it's more the macro, but we're trying to take those factors into play.

Jason Ader

Analyst

Understood. Okay, great. And then on the gross revenue retention, you're in the mid 80s right now. You're primarily an enterprise focused company that's definitely on the low end of companies that sell into the enterprise. Can you help us understand why your gross revenue retention isn't higher? I know you have aspirations to get it to 90% plus. What needs to happen for you to get to that 90% plus? And then also, when somebody does churn off, like what's the main reason somebody's churning off?

James Caci

Analyst

Yes, good question, Jason. And you're right. Our focus has been that our long term goal here is to be 90 plus in terms of our gross retention rate. That's our stated focus. We've got multiple initiatives working on that from everything from customer engagement, all kinds of different retention scenarios around that, including some of the things that we're talking about here with AI and really looking at behavior of customers, all the way through their lifecycle with us as a customer. So I do think we have a lot of things that are in place that we're working on that are going to reap rewards and improvement for that. I do think this year in particular, we've talked about this uncertainty, and I think we are seeing it show up in terms of some of our activities. And keep in mind that most of our licensing is seat based or employee driven. And so we are seeing that impact a little bit this year as well. And so I think when you factor in the macro and our kind of licensing base today, I think we're pleased right now that we're in that 87% range right now in terms of growth retention. But again, we are initiating a bunch of things that we anticipate over time will definitely improve that gross retention.

Jason Ader

Analyst

All right, thank you.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Jason, I would just say that.

Jason Ader

Analyst

Yes, go ahead, TJ.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Yes, Jason, I would just say that in 2020, our gross retention is 83%. So we're sitting at 87% now. It's a market improvement. Also, enterprise is about half of our business now, with mid-market being 30% and SMB being 20%. So given that mix, we're actually decently happy with the current mixture. Of course, we'll continue to work to improve that, but we do have quite a sizable non enterprise business now.

Jason Ader

Analyst

Would you say the gross revenue retention for the 50% that's enterprise is north of 90? Would that be fair?

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

It is definitely higher, as you would expect the tiers are the way you would expect. Our enterprise group has the highest retention. Mid-market is slightly lower, and then SMB is the lowest. So, yes, you're directionally absolutely correct.

Jason Ader

Analyst

All right, thanks, guys. Good luck.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Thanks, Jason.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. TJ Jiang for any closing remarks.

Tianyi Jiang

Analyst

Thank you. First, I want to thank the entire AvePoint team for delivering another strong quarter. We're laser focused on advancing the digital workplace, capturing growing markets, and prioritizing profitable growth. After speaking with many of our customers and partners at our #shifthappens Conference last month, more energized than ever about the opportunities ahead of us to help companies harness the full potential of AI in their business processes. Thank you for joining us today.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation, and you may now disconnect.