Earnings Labs

AeroVironment, Inc. (AVAV)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Jun 28, 2022

$191.75

-2.04%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

-4.59%

1 Week

+1.66%

1 Month

+6.03%

vs S&P

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to the AeroVironment Fourth Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2022 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded for replay purposes. . I would now like to hand the conference over to Jonah Teeter-Balin. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Jonah Teeter-Balin

Management

Thanks, and good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to AeroVironment's fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2022 earnings call. This is Jonah Teeter-Balin, Senior Director of Corporate Development and Investor Relations for AeroVironment. Before we begin, please note that certain information presented on this call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include, without limitation, any statement that may predict, forecast, indicate or imply future results, performance or achievements and may contain words such as believe, anticipate, expect, estimate, intend, project, plan or words or phrases with similar meaning. Forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, forecasts and assumptions, which involve risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, economic, competitive, governmental and technological factors outside of our control that may cause our business strategy or actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. For further information on these risks, we encourage you to review the risk factors discussed in AeroVironment's periodic reports on Form 10-K and our other filings with the SEC, along with the associated earnings release and safe harbor statement contained therein. This afternoon, we also filed a slide presentation with our earnings release and posted the presentation on our website at avinc.com in the Events and Presentations section. The content of this conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of today, June 28, 2022. The company undertakes no obligation to make any revision to any forward-looking statements contained in our remarks today or to update them to reflect the events or circumstances occurring after this conference call. Joining me today from AeroVironment are Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Wahid Nawabi; and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Kevin McDonnell. We will now begin with remarks from Wahid Nawabi. Wahid?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thank you, Jonah. Welcome to our fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2022 earnings conference call. I'll start by summarizing last quarter and full fiscal year performance and discuss our recent achievements. Then Kevin will provide a more detailed summary of our financial results, after which I will follow up with a discussion of goals for fiscal year 2023 before Kevin, Jonah and I take your questions. Let me emphasize a few key messages, which are included on slide number three of our earnings presentation. First, our team executed well during the fourth quarter, enabling us to meet our guidance for the year despite continued supply chain constraints, elevated material costs and tight labor markets. Second, we're confident that fiscal year 2023 will be a solid organic growth year for the company, given our backlog and visibility for the year. And third, the world has changed considerably since we last spoke. The war in Ukraine has brought increased focus to our most innovative solutions, including small UAS, medium UAS and tactical missile systems. We anticipate benefiting from strong and sustained demand from multiple domestic and international customers going forward. Before I provide greater detail on these themes, let me summarize our financial results for the quarter and fiscal year. We delivered fourth quarter revenue of $133 million compared to $136 million last year and an increase of about 47% sequentially from $90 million in the third quarter. For the full fiscal year, we achieved record revenue of $446 million compared to $395 million last fiscal year. As previously discussed, our growth in fiscal year 2022 was primarily due to higher sales of our median UAS product line as well as the impact from strategic acquisitions which more than offset lower shipments of our small UAS product line. Gross profit for…

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Thank you, Wahid. Today, I will be reviewing the highlights of our fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2022 performance, during which I will occasionally refer to both our press release and earnings presentation available on our website. Overall, our revenue in the quarter was in line with expectations despite continued supply chain headwinds. Adjusted gross margins reached a high for the year. Our adjusted EBITDA was solid and we also have some other positive income items during the quarter. As Wahid outlined, revenue for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was $132.6 million, a decrease of 2% from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021 revenue of $136 million. Slide 5 of the earnings presentation provides a breakdown of revenue by segment for the quarter. Our largest segment during the quarter was small UAS with $59.2 million of revenue. While this was down from last year's $70.9 million, it was the largest revenue quarter for the year for FUAS and included a $20 million FMS Puma order for Ukraine, as Wahid mentioned. Our medium UAS segment had a solid quarter with $23.1 million of revenue. Most of our Medium UAS revenue is classified as service revenue. We anticipate growth in this segment in future periods to come from product sales, including the Army's FTS program and international demand. Our Tactical Missile Systems, our TMS segment contributed $20.9 million of revenue during the quarter compared to $39.2 million in FY '21. TMS continues to be impacted by ongoing supply chain issues. Our half segment contributed $13.1 million in Q4, a strong increase from $7.1 million in the comparable prior year quarter. Revenue from the Other segment, which includes our acquired Telerob and Progeny ISG businesses, increased year-over-year to $17 million versus $3 million in fiscal 2021 fourth quarter. Revenue for the…

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thanks, Kevin. Looking ahead into fiscal year 2023, we have a healthy funded backlog and total visibility of 57% as described on slide number eight of our earnings presentation. Additionally, given the increasing global awareness and demand for our innovative solutions, the U.S. government's urgency to spend 2022 appropriate funding and our continued management of headwinds, I'm pleased to share with you our guidance for fiscal year 2023, which represents another strong growth year for the company. As summarized on slide number seven of our earnings presentation, we anticipate revenue of between $490 million and $520 million in fiscal year 2023, representing double-digit organic growth, and net income of $11 million to $18 million or $0.42 to $0.72 per diluted share. We anticipate non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA of between $82 million and $92 million, and non-GAAP earnings per diluted share, excluding acquisition-related costs, amortization of intangible assets and other on-time expenses of between $1.35 and $1.65. We anticipate about 60% of revenue in the second half of fiscal year 2023 compared to 40% in the first half, particularly as we benefit from orders placed at the end of the government's fiscal year and rapid turnaround shipments related to Ukraine. As Kevin mentioned, fiscal year 2023 adjusted gross margin should end up at or slightly above our fiscal year 2022. This is mainly driven by favorable product mix, higher volumes and some are offset by unfavorable impact of supply chain costs. We continue to emphasize careful control of expenses, and we expect to deliver adjusted EBITDA of between 16% and 18% of revenue. We expect internal R&D investments to be about 10% to 11% of revenue in fiscal year 2023. While we actively manage through the supply chain, material cost and labor market headwinds we discussed earlier, we are quite bullish about…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. You may proceed.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Good afternoon, Wahid, Kevin and Jonah. And congratulations on getting the approval for the 20-plus U.S. supplies for Switchblade.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thank you, Austin.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Thanks, Austin.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

So my first question is just essentially around that. You talked about the backlog visibility for next year. We've got 20-plus countries that have been approved now and if the bottleneck here is around the supply chain. So if the supply chain issues ease, maybe there's less cryptocurrency mining or something and so there's more GPUs available I guess, how much visibility do you have for TMS into next year and could that change?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Sure, Austin. So you're absolutely right that one of the gating factors for our fiscal 2023 will remain to be the supply chain constraints. I believe that the timing of the contracting is going to be resolved and addressed sooner rather than later. Our proposal activity for our Switchblade and Tactical Missile Systems and other products in general, is fairly healthy and strong. And we believe that it also is going to represent a very long-term growth opportunity for us. Supply chain remains to be the biggest challenge, in my view. And as I said in my remarks, because we have the most innovative solutions that uses the latest greatest technology in terms of components, semiconductors, graphic processors, et cetera, that is very, very tough to get in general. And we're not a very large consumer of these relative to other players in the consumer industry and other industries. So it is really difficult. We are tackling that on a daily basis. We have a heavy, heavy focus on that. The numbers could really change quite significantly in both directions as a result of that because it's a very unpredictable environment. However, we have taken pretty much every single measure that we think is possible. And that's in our control to mitigate those risks and make sure that we can deliver another growth year. We feel confident that we will as I provided the guidance, and it will be another double-digit top line growth for us. But more importantly, we're going to hopefully also build a very strong backlog that we will benefit from in the years to come.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Great. And just a follow-up on that. Is how does being in direct contact with like NVIDIA, Intel compared to having like a DX or DU order status? And is that still potentially in the cards?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Yeah, absolutely. So the (ph) orders, we currently do receive them. The challenge with DO orders are from the U.S. DoD is that we're not the only ones who are getting those, and there are others who are also getting the DO orders. So DX, however, would be significantly, significantly a positive impact. We're currently working with the U.S. Department of Defense, the Office of the Secretary of Defense directly on that. They have been very actively engaged with us. We're in a very, very frequent communication with them, literally on a weekly basis. And they've tried to mitigate many of those risks so far, and they'll continue to do that in the future. However, a DX rated order, we have not received those yet, and we're still working on that. If that were to be the case, the situation could change significantly for us because that will put us right in front of the line. The number of orders in the U.S. DoD's ecosystem, that has -- that receives the DX rating is very, very minimal, extremely small relative to any other type of order. So that will obviously put us much higher in the prioritization list, Austin.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Okay. Fantastic. Congrats. And thanks for all the details.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thank you, Austin.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Herbert with RBC. You may proceed.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Hey, good afternoon.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Hi, Ken.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Hey, Ken.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Hey. Wahid, maybe just a follow-up on the previous question. Can you quantify what you expect sort of the supply chain headwinds to be in fiscal '23 from a revenue standpoint?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Ken, it is a very, very fluid subject or topic and issue because on a regular basis, daily basis, the supply chain challenges change and in one direction or another. They range from issues related to the microelectronics, the semiconductors, the components, but also now it started to lately has actually even gone into some of the material that we use in composites. As you know, many of those material is oil-based. So the issue and the issues with supply of oil and the prices of oil has affected composites. And I believe that's going to continue going into fiscal year '23 and even calendar year '23 as well. In terms of the size of that for us, I mean, it could be significant, tens of millions of dollars. Our ability to make product and deliver product remains quite strong, quite good. But it's really the 2 challenges that is related to contract timing, how fast can the U.S. DoD and our allies can move through the process of acquisitions and convert those requests and demands into actual contracts and secondly, being able to secure the parts and material. Currently, we've already for many, many months placed at risk orders for supplies of materials for supply chain. But since those are at risk, they're at commercial rating. So they don't have a priority with our suppliers because we're buying those components at risk today, unless there is a DoD order associated with it that has a rating. So that makes it a little bit challenging. However, we expect this year to be another growth year despite all those factors.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

I mean we've included that in our numbers. I mean we've already included the thought of supply chain headwinds into our guidance range.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

That's right. And so we expect another growth this year as well.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Okay. No, I would imagine you've effectively or at least tried to derisk the guide for '23 to reflect these headwinds. I guess one other question. What do you expect in terms of timing? And I guess it's related, but as the U.S. looks to rebuild inventories perhaps of the Switchblade 300, do you get a sense that those inventory levels will be completely rebuilt. And is the issue just about your ability to obviously deliver those? And -- or what should you expect in terms of timing of the inventory restocking?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

So the answer -- the short answer, Ken, is definitely yes. We see all the signs and signals from our customer, which we're very closely in contact with that the U.S. DoD is planning on replenishing all the inventory levels that they have pre-Ukraine war, maybe even higher, maybe even higher because the efficacy and the relevance of our Switchblade family of systems have been extremely positive, given the conflict that's going on out there and the usage of it. And so in general, that's one factor. The second factor that we should take into play also is that there are several, several countries, primarily in Europe, that have all made requests both through FMS and DCS cases for proposal and request for acquiring Switchblade, and some of our other small UAS systems and medium UAS systems too. So I see it not only the demand from the U.S. domestic DoD customers, but also to fulfill and backfill the existing depletion of inventories but maybe even increasing that to some extent. But additionally, on top of that, we've got approval for 20-plus countries to be able to sell Switchblades to. And many of them have already made requests and those will eventually will convert into orders, we believe. The difficulty is exactly when. That timing is very difficult to predict. But we're engaged with them, and they're all moving in the positive direction. It will take some time for that to convert to actual orders.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Great, thank you.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

You’re welcome, Ken.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Louie DiPalma with William Blair. You may proceed.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Wahid, Kevin and Jonah, good afternoon.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Hi, Louie.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Hi, Louie.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

For the 20-plus export approvals for the Switchblade, does that cover the Switchblade 600 in addition to the Switchblade 300?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Yes, Louie. Almost every request that we've received includes both Switchblade 300 and 600 and the approval from the State Department and the U.S. government is for both Switchblade 300 and 600 sales for international allies, 20-plus countries.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Great. And Wahid, can you speak in general about the progress for the Switchblade 600 as the media report seems to suggest that for the shipments that Ukraine, the vast majority have been for the 300. So has there been any limitations in terms of shipping the 600? And is it fully ready? Or do more trials need to be done for it to be fully ready for service?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Yeah. So it is true that majority of the presidential order drawdowns for Ukraine so far has been for Switchblade 300. The main reason for that has been not the readiness of the product, mostly has been the availability of inventory in the U.S. stockpile of Switchblade in general. So that's been the driver for it. In terms of the product readiness, absolutely, the product is ready. We are a strong believer in it. Ukraine and military has requested more of both Switchblade 300 and specialty 600s. And Switchblade 600 is very unique in its capability. It's one of the very, very few web missile systems that have much longer standoff distances 20x further than a Javelin missile with essentially the same warhead that allows the Ukrainian military to take positions and target Russian military at distances where they're not in harm's way. And that unique feature of Switchblade alone makes it extremely strategically important to the Ukrainians and we're ready to provide them more. Obviously, contracting and supply chain continue to be the two top limiting factors.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Great. And you referenced how several countries are looking to acquire the Switchblade through a foreign military sales type transaction. I think there was a report last week about France, potentially acquiring the Switchblade. How long do you expect it to take for some of our allies to evaluate Switchblade procurement? I know you just mentioned how -- like the big question is when. But how long does it take allies in general to be comfortable with like doing trials?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Sure. So we believe, based on our interactions and communication and engagements, both for the U.S. DoD as well as with these foreign militaries all allies, is that they're pretty much convinced and sold on the efficacy and the capability of Switchblade. They have -- these are -- most of them already are existing customers for small UAS, 50-plus countries. And so they understand and know Switchblade quite well. In addition, during the last 15 years and the Persian, the Middle East as well as Afghanistan, most of our allies have been with the United States witnessing the efficacy of Switchblade in those theaters. So there is very little, in my view, concern or doubt in their mind that Switch way could be valuable to them or they have to evaluate it. For them so far, it was really an awareness and the ability for the U.S. to provide approval. I believe that this is going to move through the process. You are correct that France, there was a public news about it, and they made some statements that they were going to acquire Switchblade. They are engaged with us. They are requesting that. We're engaged in that process. It's not going to be overnight. These things do take time. It takes a process that they've got to go through the U.S. DoD. And they understand that. And it's never fast enough for anybody's buyers really, in my view, except our adversaries. So other than that, we believe that majority of this is going to convert to orders back in the next, not only few quarters but maybe a couple of years even. And to me, these are all initial customers. Just like the U.S. UT, I believe that longer term, once they establish a program and requirement and uses for this that will continue to become a line item for them that they would continue to fund and acquire more over the years to come as we progress through the process with them.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Pete Skibitski with Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Hey. Good afternoon, guys.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Good afternoon, Pete.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Wahid, your -- Guys, your guidance for TMS in fiscal '23, can you give us a sense for your -- how firm your expectations are for what that split is between domestic and international revenue?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Pete, so we don't provide specific guidance to each product line or to the mix between international versus domestic. What I can tell you is this that our overall demand signal for Switchblade is both domestic and international, and it's a fairly large sort of basket of countries. Western European -- Eastern European, the Baltics. A lot of different countries around the world have an interest in that. Now that we've received the export approval -- I'm sorry, the sale -- the approval for sale of the product internationally, I think this is going to encourage even more countries to engage coupled with the conflict that's going on in Ukraine. Overall, though, this year, by far, the biggest factor in Switchblade's growth is going to be sooner not contracted timing, but rather supply chain constraints. And how much we can address that and how much more we could solve that, and that will improve over time, that will help us throughout the year. And we'll keep you updated as that changes. But right now, we feel good about our -- our guidance. We feel good about our business, another year of growth and our Switchblade in our other product line we'll continue to grow, and we're in a good spot in that regard.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Okay. Let me ask you on this, $40 billion Ukraine funding initiative that you referenced. Have you guys been able to get any fidelity into specifically maybe how much small UAS might be in there? How much TMS might be in there? Are you able to see any kind of specific line items?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Pete, yes and no. Yes, we are very engaged in that, and we're very aware that we want to make sure that there's a reasonable amount for our Switchblade. We do know that the Ukraine and military expressed specifically expressed more Switchblade 300 and 600 that they need for their conflict. And we could see from today's conflict and what's going on in the news that capabilities such as Switchblade 600 is actually vital to their success. It's imperative for them to have it. The specific details are not really disclosed yet publicly. And for confidentiality reasons, I need to be cautious of that for the sensitivity and safety of our customers.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

You’re welcome.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Thanks, Pete.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Ruttenbur with Imperial Capital. You may proceed.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst · Imperial Capital. You may proceed.

Yes. Thank you very much. Nobody's really asked -- anybody has been hitting you with a lot of questions around Ukraine and things like that. But nobody has talked about the sale of the solar HAPS and the joint venture and what the future lies there because that had a large potential of millions of dollars potentially of the solar high altitude joint venture, what happens going forward now that you sold your interest?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Sure. So great question, Brian. I'm glad you brought that up because I mentioned it in my remarks. First and foremost, we both remain very committed to the long-term and short-term prospects for the solar HAPS and Sunglider's next phase. We have been funded, as you know, for the last many years, through SoftBank through the JV, we did sell our shares now as primarily a request from our partner. They were already a very large majority shareholder of the joint venture. And for various reasons, their own reasons, they wanted us to sell that minority share to them. However, in no way does that should impact our commitment on both sides to the short- and long-term prospects of working together and be committed to the long-term value creation opportunities that represents for us. We're right now actively engaged with negotiating the next tranche of the contract with SoftBank directly. So it really means just a difference a contract vehicle for us in that regard. There are several other value-creation opportunities with the solar HAPS business venture for us. We are still the exclusive designer of the airplane. We're still the exclusive manufacturer of the airplane for the joint venture with specific terms. We're still -- we still have exclusive market access to that platform for defense applications, globally except Japan. So those things do not change. I feel very good about it. We are -- it is not the most urgent thing because of the war in Ukraine, we have reprioritized some of our resources because of talent needs that we have to other more urgent programs and projects, but we expect that to be a business that we're going to do, as I said in my remarks, between $25 million, to $35 million of revenue this year, customer-funded R&D from SoftBank directly rather than the JV. So overall, we feel very good about it, and we'll continue to stay the course.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst · Imperial Capital. You may proceed.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

You’re welcome, Brian.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Herbert with RBC. You may proceed.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Hey, Wahid. Just a quick follow-up. Can you provide any more color on FTUAS? And is there any concern that with delays in timing that this slips further to the right that it could potentially negatively impact the probability of that contract for you or the competitive dynamic?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Ken, great question. Short answer is always delays are not good. We don't view any delays to be positive. But however, -- we're a very frequent communication with the Army's program office for FTUAS. We believe that our odds of succeeding in that program is quite strong. We were surprised that they did not award this yet. Our suspicion is that mainly that's because of the heavy, heavy urgency that is put on U.S. contracting resources, to shift resources towards the Ukraine conflict and contracting for those. And we feel that, urgency, and we feel that from the other side, of course, because we have fit plate needs our customers do, that affects it. So delays are never good in my view. However, we're committed to that program. There are is very committed to that program. That does increase the risk a little bit, but we like our chances and we like our position in that. We believe that our solution is the best solution amongst all the competitors. And we have performed quite well so far with the Army of FTUAS competitions and different fly off that they've had. So when exactly when they're going to be able to get this done it's really difficult to put a specific timing on it. We'll keep you updated. Based on their latest, they're really trying hard to do that as soon as they can.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Okay. That's helpful. If I could, just one quick follow-up as well. There's been a lot of press on other companies that have had success in selling water in munitions into Ukraine recently. Are you at risk of losing share because of some of the supply chain disruptions? Or how would you characterize the competition now? It seems to be getting -- there seems to be more competition perhaps in this marketplace. And what's the risk that supply chain holds you back as you look at that environment now?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Great question, again, Ken. I'm glad that you asked that question. We think about that on a very, very daily basis almost. We take competitors very seriously. And as you know, from our track record, we've done quite well there. We do not believe that the products that are out there really are the same as Switchblade 300 to 600. The technical performance, the actual operational performance of Switchblade 300 and 600 is incredibly unique and compelling and unmatched. And further to that, we actually have some specific patents that defend competitors in that space. So for example, the wave of capability of Switchblade is patented. We own the patent on that. And so that's one thing. The second thing is you are absolutely right that this higher awareness and demand for loitering missiles in general, has increased the number of competitors and investors to go after this market more aggressively. I think that, that's going to generate more competition, no question. But we, as a company, as a team are very aware of that. And we're -- we like our odds and our track record really bodes well for us. The last thing I would say is that the war in Ukraine has also demonstrated that U.S. technology such as our Switchblade 300 and 600 is by far better performing and superior and most of our allies would prefer -- highly prefer to get the U.S.-made U.S. designed products such as switchy and our other systems. So those are some of the advantages we have, but it is an open market, more larger awareness, larger market does sort of increase the number of competitors, but we like our chances.

Ken Herbert

Analyst · RBC. You may proceed.

Great. Thanks, Wahid.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

You’re welcome, Ken.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Pete Skibitski with Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Yeah, thanks. Just to kind of follow up on Ken's question, guys. We talk about a follow-on to the Army LMAMS competition kind of an LMAMS recompete. And I think a source of notice came out last month, I believe. When do you guys think overall that LMAMS recompete might kind of crystallize I guess that's my question?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Great question, Pete. Let me just share with you what we do know and what we think of this. Number one, historically, the -- throughout my 12-plus years of tenure here at AB, there's been several such competitions for LMAMS with the U.S. Army. And we have won them essentially all for LMAMS. Yes, you're absolutely correct that there was a public announcement. And the reason for that is because the U.S. Army needs to have a new contract vehicle, multiyear contract vehicle in order to be able to continue to procure capabilities such as Switchblade called LMAMS capability for the DoD . Anytime they do that contract based on a rules, they have to put it as an open competition. And we expect that no different this time. And -- but our track record is pretty strong and our position is very strong because our product has performed really, really well. There's always a risk for that and a chance, however, I think the likelihood is very, very low in my estimation. Our customer satisfaction and product track record is extremely good. And we like our chances, but there's all competition as part of the game, and we're used to that.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Yeah. I mean -- should people be nervous at all about the fact that the Marine Corps chose a different system. I think 1 point of time, you said that the Army is going to be watching kind of the Marine Corps experience there. What should be our takeaway there?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Sure. So the Marine Corp opportunity that we did not win wasn't for a different solution that was a larger multipack -- I think you're referring to the OPSM opportunity or organic precision fire mounted. And that was different than the Switchblade 300 LMAM specific contract and acquisition and competition, although similar but it was for the larger vehicles. You're absolutely correct that, that probably the only 1 that we know of that we have not won. And the outcome of that is still to be determined with the Marines. The U.S. Army does have its own sort of a similar requirement that we're tracking. And we're also going to be sort of pursuing that separately. And we like our chances there, too, and we're working on those with other variants of our switch plate, as I mentioned in my comments. But in this particular case, I'm not -- I don't believe that our customers and shareholders and others should be that concerned with the LMAMS competition for the U.S. Army. We always take that very seriously, but we like our chances. There's always a risk, but we like our chances.

Pete Skibitski

Analyst · Alembic Global. You may proceed.

Right. Okay. Thanks for the color, guys.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thank you, Pete.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Louie DiPalma with William Blair. You may proceed.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Hi, Wahid and Kevin, one final quick one. Do you still expect to ship your third Sunglider to SoftBank this calendar year? Or has your focus on Ukraine delayed production of that third aircraft?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

We are not expecting to deliver the third aircraft this year, Louie. We are working on that airplane and the development of it as well as the improvements that we've learned from the first three flights. So the funding that we currently have from SoftBank and the funding that we expect to get in the next several months, that will fund us throughout fiscal year '23 will not get us to the full delivery of that airplane. That will be further out beyond this fiscal year. And yes, you're right. It's mostly because of two reasons. One is that we have to reprioritize resources based on engineering talent and catered to more urgent needs. And second, that is more of a longer-term play. Delivering an airplane quickly for that is not going to really move the needle much. What's more important is that we get the right airplane design test it and get it certified through FAA and other agencies like that, which we're working with SoftBank on, and that will take more than one year to get achieved, as I said before. So overall, though, we're committed, SoftBank's committed, but the delivery of the airplane is not planned for this year.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Okay. And is there any time line on when you expect to potentially receive the FAA certification?

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Louie, that is definitely it's going to be further than this fiscal year. That certification process is a pretty long process. It's the first time in the history of aviation, to our knowledge that MA is going to certify a stratospheric airplane, especially an unmanned airplane of this nature. We are engaged with them. It's going to require a lot of testing, but it will be beyond -- in my view, it well beyond fiscal year 2023.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

Do you need the third aircraft to get that certification? Or are they able to certify the second aircraft and that would also be applicable for the third aircraft.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

No, you would need it because the FAA is going to test the airplane flight. We have to do a lot of testing, and they also have to approve the manufacturing process besides the design process of the airplane, both and then there's going to be extensive flight testing as well, Louie.

Louie DiPalma

Analyst · William Blair. You may proceed.

That make sense. Thanks, Wahid. And thanks, Kevin and Jonah.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Thank you, Louie.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you again for participating. And we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. You may now disconnect.

Wahid Nawabi

Management

Thank you.

Kevin McDonnell

Management

Thank you.